The Elder Trolls - Your Casual Ganker

GreenSoup2HoT · April 2016

danno8 · April 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

..ppl actually discussing what skills and why? O.o

step 1: watch video
step 2: google tooltip of Surprise Attack
step 3: if you haven't figured it out by now then repeat step 1 and 2
step 4: make me a sammich + get me a beer!

Ah yes, off-balance gives bonus damage from heavy attacks does it not? Like 50%? One of those bonuses that don't seem to be well documented.

So 50% and 10% from the exploiter cp. No wonder those heavy attacks hit so hard.

SRIBES · April 2016

danno8 wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

..ppl actually discussing what skills and why? O.o

step 1: watch video
step 2: google tooltip of Surprise Attack
step 3: if you haven't figured it out by now then repeat step 1 and 2
step 4: make me a sammich + get me a beer!

Ah yes, off-balance gives bonus damage from heavy attacks does it not? Like 50%? One of those bonuses that don't seem to be well documented.

So 50% and 10% from the exploiter cp. No wonder those heavy attacks hit so hard.

I don't believe it's 50% but it's not based on an enemy being off balanced with this build. There are a lot of other variables taken into account along with some odd stealth mechanics that I don't show before all the ganks in the video.

Anazasi · April 2016

Rylana wrote: »

What is with all these threads named Elder Trolls lately.

That was Ezareths guild back in the day >_>

2/10 copied name

No that was not Ezareth's guild. It was murder thumbs and Taran's. They started Elder Trolls on Volengrung. Ezareth was the one who ended taking over after...... Don't be another tool in that box please.

ku5h · April 2016

SRIBES wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

..ppl actually discussing what skills and why? O.o

step 1: watch video
step 2: google tooltip of Surprise Attack
step 3: if you haven't figured it out by now then repeat step 1 and 2
step 4: make me a sammich + get me a beer!

Ah yes, off-balance gives bonus damage from heavy attacks does it not? Like 50%? One of those bonuses that don't seem to be well documented.

So 50% and 10% from the exploiter cp. No wonder those heavy attacks hit so hard.

I don't believe it's 50% but it's not based on an enemy being off balanced with this build. There are a lot of other variables taken into account along with some odd stealth mechanics that I don't show before all the ganks in the video.

Exploit? Is that the reason you wont tell exactly how you get that hight HA? I might be completely wrong, its just it sounded that way when i read your post.
Btw very entertaining video!

SRIBES · April 2016

ku5h wrote: »

SRIBES wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

..ppl actually discussing what skills and why? O.o

step 1: watch video
step 2: google tooltip of Surprise Attack
step 3: if you haven't figured it out by now then repeat step 1 and 2
step 4: make me a sammich + get me a beer!

Ah yes, off-balance gives bonus damage from heavy attacks does it not? Like 50%? One of those bonuses that don't seem to be well documented.

So 50% and 10% from the exploiter cp. No wonder those heavy attacks hit so hard.

I don't believe it's 50% but it's not based on an enemy being off balanced with this build. There are a lot of other variables taken into account along with some odd stealth mechanics that I don't show before all the ganks in the video.

Exploit? Is that the reason you wont tell exactly how you get that hight HA? I might be completely wrong, its just it sounded that way when i read your post.
Btw very entertaining video!

No, just the product of good theorycrafting (:
Thanks! The way I worded it does sound wrong, but a lot of people just haven't tested stealth in depth and its complex functions.

Minnesinger · April 2016

Casual ganker? He is a fricken pro. I would hate to be in this vid, but I can give credit for being a very good ganker. That build I need to know. Maybe I play my nbs once again.

ManDraKE · April 2016

Oh, one of my favourite ppl to t-bag after a fail gank. Original build, credit where is due, but you should consider using the name i suggested you, "the anti-horse build" lol

Nice vid.

p.s: With this comment i probably win a spotlight section in the next video, just remember to message me in-game so i can say hi to the ppl watching the video lol.

SRIBES · April 2016

ManDraKE wrote: »

Oh, one of my favourite ppl to t-bag after a fail gank. Original build, credit where is due, but you should consider using the name i suggested you, "the anti-horse build" lol

Nice vid.

p.s: With this comment i probably win a spotlight section in the next video, just remember to message me in-game so i can say hi to the ppl watching the video lol.

Who is this, lol?

SRIBES · April 2016

Minnesinger wrote: »

Casual ganker? He is a fricken pro. I would hate to be in this vid, but I can give credit for being a very good ganker. That build I need to know. Maybe I play my nbs once again.

xD thank you

ManDraKE · April 2016

SRIBES wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

Oh, one of my favourite ppl to t-bag after a fail gank. Original build, credit where is due, but you should consider using the name i suggested you, "the anti-horse build" lol

Nice vid.

p.s: With this comment i probably win a spotlight section in the next video, just remember to message me in-game so i can say hi to the ppl watching the video lol.

Who is this, lol?

check your ignored list lol

SRIBES · April 2016

ManDraKE wrote: »

SRIBES wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

Oh, one of my favourite ppl to t-bag after a fail gank. Original build, credit where is due, but you should consider using the name i suggested you, "the anti-horse build" lol

Nice vid.

p.s: With this comment i probably win a spotlight section in the next video, just remember to message me in-game so i can say hi to the ppl watching the video lol.

Who is this, lol?

check your ignored list lol

My ignore list is full

cdobratz · April 2016

My eyes bled at the sight of those heavy attacks, couldn't handle it.

Dyride · April 2016

He is using the 120 passive from the Shadow CP tree to go invisible after a heavy attack kill.

PainfulFAFA · April 2016

Dyride wrote: »

He is using the 120 passive from the Shadow CP tree to go invisible after a heavy attack kill.

It works great when ur heavy attcks are hitting hard(8-10k+) because the last thing thats hits the enemy after u let go of a HA, is that same HA.

Which means while the HA att is traveling, you can rush ur enemy, do some dps, then that 10k arrow will land and by then theyre already near death.

That needs to be fixed imo. The arrow should be hitting FIRST, and not last.

PainfulFAFA · April 2016

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failkiwib16_ESO · April 2016

@PainfulFAFA bow is already the slowpokistan of dps weapons, and close to useless for pve ...if they nerf anything with bow now, it will also be useless for gankers & all the WoW-Rogue-class roleplayers.

His build can be countered or avoided by doing one or more of the following things:

get defences against physical damage
group coordination
slot and use Radiant Magelight
cure vampirism
not use Werewolf ultimate
idle in sneak mode
pay attention to your surroundings

He doesn't even use exploits from what I can see in his video. He has just put some thought into his build and weapon choice. Something more players should do, if they wish to achieve the same or higher success in this game.

KenaPKK · April 2016

No exploits or bugs here. lolol Watching you all trying to dissect his build amuses me.

failkiwib16_ESO · April 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

No exploits or bugs here. lolol Watching you all trying to dissect his build amuses me.

He's so good and efficient that he makes ppl wanna roleplay copycats

PainfulFAFA · April 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

@PainfulFAFA bow is already the slowpokistan of dps weapons, and close to useless for pve ...if they nerf anything with bow now, it will also be useless for gankers & all the WoW-Rogue-class roleplayers.

His build can be countered or avoided by doing one or more of the following things:
get defences against physical damage

group coordination

slot and use Radiant Magelight

cure vampirism

not use Werewolf ultimate

idle in sneak mode

pay attention to your surroundings

He doesn't even use exploits from what I can see in his video. He has just put some thought into his build and weapon choice. Something more players should do, if they wish to achieve the same or higher success in this game.

Lol, nobody is saying hes exploiting or even asking for counters.
They were only simple observations about bow abilities/mechanics that imo need changes/fixes.

Göttermutter · April 2016

I never heared, that exploiters are get banned by that, here.
This is a difficult therm, because it is a housemade cheat, so you can only warn him once and than bann him, but this also doesent work, because the peopless, who are only peopless, are not trained by the service,t hey interpretaded also wrong some sayings like a mice has an anger from a cat. So not the best, also they are not intotruced in the specific language dialects or meanings in interpretations, they will fail and decide the wrong decissions,allways.

Ghostbane · April 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

What is with all these threads named Elder Trolls lately.

That was Ezareths guild back in the day >_>

2/10 copied name

No that was not Ezareth's guild. It was murder thumbs and Taran's. They started Elder Trolls on Volengrung. Ezareth was the one who ended taking over after...... Don't be another tool in that box please.

Epic third person reference

Farorin · April 2016

I'm pretty happy with my own ganking, but this has given me some cool ideas on how to utilize bow a bit better.

Poxheart · April 2016

Are SRIBES and AsweeRoll the same person?

failkiwib16_ESO · April 2016

@PainfulFAFA

Ah sorry my bad, I didn't ment the exploit thing directed toward you, it was danno8 who mentioned "exploiter cp" that ticked me off...

And just curious why exactly should something that is working as inteded, and is countered by the most simple things need a fix? It's useless in all other cases lol

SRIBES · April 2016

Poxheart wrote: »

Are SRIBES and AsweeRoll the same person?

Yes

NBrookus · April 2016

Göttermutter wrote: »

I never heared, that exploiters are get banned by that, here.

I think the whole schtick is cheesy, but ET seems to be an equal opportunity ganker and farming a siege line or outside a keep is fair game. It's annoying AF, but I haven't seen anything on a death recap (and I've looked at quite a few of them!) that suggests exploits or cheats. Just ani cancelling.

PainfulFAFA · April 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

@PainfulFAFA

Ah sorry my bad, I didn't ment the exploit thing directed toward you, it was danno8 who mentioned "exploiter cp" that ticked me off...

And just curious why exactly should something that is working as inteded, and is countered by the most simple things need a fix? It's useless in all other cases lol

Let me explain why i have issue with certain bow abilities/mechanics.

Bow heavy attacks hit pretty hard and are very easy to animation cancel. My issue is with the 2-3 second delay with those heavy attacks. In the window of time, you can unleash on your enemy. For example, in this video you see double camo hunters in a 1-2 second window of time, the charged heavy attack + surprise att/ambush. This combo works only because bow mechanic allows it [since it takes 1-2 seconds for the arrow to land and you're still in stealth]. If they changed it so that the arrow ALWAYS hits first [and therefore, removing you from stealth], there wouldnt be any of these 1 shot wonder builds. And thats just on basic attacks alone.

Add onto that, the changes to bow passives, basically giving free bonus damage.

Is he good? sure
Is this something new? Not really. This is similar to that stam DK anti vampire build but without the silver shards. And there was a lot of heated debate on that one.

Again, my main issue with bow is basic attacks having 2-3 sec delays causing health desyncs, and opening doors to 1-2 shot builds.
Whether this is intended or not is a separate issue. Theres many times where things were "working as intended" until streamers brought it up.

Xsorus · April 2016

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

@PainfulFAFA

Ah sorry my bad, I didn't ment the exploit thing directed toward you, it was danno8 who mentioned "exploiter cp" that ticked me off...

And just curious why exactly should something that is working as inteded, and is countered by the most simple things need a fix? It's useless in all other cases lol

Let me explain why i have issue with certain bow abilities/mechanics.

Bow heavy attacks hit pretty hard and are very easy to animation cancel. My issue is with the 2-3 second delay with those heavy attacks. In the window of time, you can unleash on your enemy. For example, in this video you see double camo hunters in a 1-2 second window of time, the charged heavy attack + surprise att/ambush. This combo works only because bow mechanic allows it [since it takes 1-2 seconds for the arrow to land and you're still in stealth]. If they changed it so that the arrow ALWAYS hits first [and therefore, removing you from stealth], there wouldnt be any of these 1 shot wonder builds. And thats just on basic attacks alone.

Add onto that, the changes to bow passives, basically giving free bonus damage.

Is he good? sure
Is this something new? Not really. This is similar to that stam DK anti vampire build but without the silver shards. And there was a lot of heated debate on that one.

Again, my main issue with bow is basic attacks having 2-3 sec delays causing health desyncs, and opening doors to 1-2 shot builds.
Whether this is intended or not is a separate issue. Theres many times where things were "working as intended" until streamers brought it up.

I feel like you think its only Bow Heavy Attacks that can do this?

You can do the same thing with Lethal Arrow and Darkflare as well....

In fact in the previous patches when I was running stamina I was doing something similar to him on my NB...only I didn't use Heavy Attack like him.... But basically put Ambush/Surprise Attack on my bow bar...I'd fire off Lethal, then Ambush in..and they'd hit at same time for super damage..usually a Surprise Attack would finish off the person left... He's basically swapping out Lethal for Heavy Attack and doing it close range mostly where I did it at range.

And if you want to go back further then that...

i use to do the whole Lethal Arrow/Medium Attack/Venom Arrow/Light Attack Combo...All 4 of those hits landed at the same time and each would proc Camo hunter.

I could one shot basically any Vampire.

SRIBES · April 2016

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

@PainfulFAFA

Ah sorry my bad, I didn't ment the exploit thing directed toward you, it was danno8 who mentioned "exploiter cp" that ticked me off...

And just curious why exactly should something that is working as inteded, and is countered by the most simple things need a fix? It's useless in all other cases lol

Let me explain why i have issue with certain bow abilities/mechanics.

Bow heavy attacks hit pretty hard and are very easy to animation cancel. My issue is with the 2-3 second delay with those heavy attacks. In the window of time, you can unleash on your enemy. For example, in this video you see double camo hunters in a 1-2 second window of time, the charged heavy attack + surprise att/ambush. This combo works only because bow mechanic allows it [since it takes 1-2 seconds for the arrow to land and you're still in stealth]. If they changed it so that the arrow ALWAYS hits first [and therefore, removing you from stealth], there wouldnt be any of these 1 shot wonder builds. And thats just on basic attacks alone.

Add onto that, the changes to bow passives, basically giving free bonus damage.

Is he good? sure
Is this something new? Not really. This is similar to that stam DK anti vampire build but without the silver shards. And there was a lot of heated debate on that one.

Again, my main issue with bow is basic attacks having 2-3 sec delays causing health desyncs, and opening doors to 1-2 shot builds.
Whether this is intended or not is a separate issue. Theres many times where things were "working as intended" until streamers brought it up.

I don't think you understand how projectiles work, they are supposed to land last due to them traveling in the air. If you wanted ZOS to fix this then they would have to change all projectiles or change the way animation canceling works. Even if your logic that heavy attacks landed first were reworked by ZOS, there would still be a wide variety of options for gank builds, this one just happens to be more thought out. Take my friend Zergbad's WB build for example(

http://youtu.be/WrOzuFzA02c ) it's simple, and fun. Most builds can one shot and even if my heavy attack did land first I would still be able to gank with this same build, I would just go higher damage and less sustain. Gank builds keep players on their toes, always anticipating a gank and having to be ready. It promotes skillful play and being prepared. I can't simply cut through a sorcs shields or always gank someone who has shuffle up, most of it comes down to RNG and their reaction time. Just keep your buffs up and you are already an anti gank build. Finally, this build is way more complex then simply buffing up with molten weapons and doing a heavy attack into a silver leash, if you didn't realize that this is a melee gank build and an entirely different class, i'm not just building for the one shot, i'm building to escape while utilizing clever mechanics. The only similar thing is the heavy attack.

Edit: Double camo hunter proc is pure RNG unless their some exploit I am unaware of. I get one camo hunter proc on one of my attacks while the next attack I do has a 15% chance to proc if on vampires. I know there was a way to double/quadruple proc it in stealth with DW but that has been changed.