Crating Bag Exclusivity is Unfair

Ra'Shtar · April 2016

Wanderinlost wrote: »

Ajaxduo wrote: »

You don't like it? Simple. Don't pay for it. ESO+ needed more benefits and it's getting exactly that.

How does the crafting bag being purchasable in the crown store deprive ESO+ of that benefit?

You can't do basic math can't you?

Jaronking · April 2016

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2893442#Comment_2893442
Am just going to leave this here follow the devs response this should help the op out.

brandon · April 2016

The people who have spent the past year buying DLC are getting screwed if they are forced to change to ESO+ in order to get a major QoL feature at this point. All those crowns could have been spent on anything else.

They should have just payed the sub in the first place and then they wouldn't have needed to worry about that.

ESO+ does not make you more loyal than other customers.

Someone who willingly pays an optional monthly payment is most definitely more loyal than someone who chooses to 1 time by things.

How does the crafting bag being purchasable in the crown store deprive ESO+ of that benefit?

Why should someone pay more money for something that is easily available in the crown store? If you can just buy it in the crown store (1 time buy) over constant paying for it then most people would do that. How is that a benefit then for ESO+ subs?

@Wanderinlost

Slurg · April 2016

Wanderinlost wrote: »

Ajaxduo wrote: »

You don't like it? Simple. Don't pay for it. ESO+ needed more benefits and it's getting exactly that.

How does the crafting bag being purchasable in the crown store deprive ESO+ of that benefit?

It doesn't, but a lot of people seem to think for some weird nonsensical reason that keeping anything resembling a craft bag out of the crown store will somehow force everyone to become a subscriber. I doubt that.

Wanderinlost · April 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wanderinlost wrote: »

I am not saying that ESO+ should not get the bag, but why should us who have supported this game through buy to play be given the same option, to buy the crafting bag with crowns.

You know why. ESO + is 15 dollars a month. Honestly if you cant part with that every month then maybe stop whining about someone getting this because they are willing and capable.

I am not complaining or whining about ESO+ getting this. Seems no matter how many times I say it it does not get through to you. It is great ESO+ is getting this perk.

However there is no reason for it to be exclusive and not offered as a one time purchase through the crown store as well. The payment model for this game is B2P first, and ESO+ second. As a premium service ESO+ has significant benefits already, like 1500 crowns per month which goes far to offset that cost. Having this feature available for purchase on the crown store in no way detracts from the benefit it offers ESO+ customers.

For the record since this game was launched my average per month spending on ESO is $14, and a higher proportion was spent during B2P. This exclusivity is exactly the thing which will drop that average significantly. If I have no need to buy DLC, and ESO+ is the only way to get what I want I will pick 2 months of the year. That will actually save me money in the long run, that $14 average will be more like $3 a month going forward.

Volkodav · April 2016

magnusthorek wrote: »

I've been saying for a long time already. It's a very nice feature indeed, specially because it's been a long time since ZOS don't give a damn about increasing the purchasable bank/inventory slots, but making it exclusive to ESO+ members is one step towards pay-to-win.

It doesn't affect the overall gameplay giving a headstart to the premium members but it's how things start getting nasty. Being a subscriber is not worth in some countries due the exchange rate between currencies. Being a subscriber requires an international credit card for those living outside US.

Much better to have it as a purchasable feature in Crown Store like all DLCs. Give the opportunity for those unable, physically or financially to have the same benefit of those living in US or, at least, in better countries.

How is it Pay to win? The bags dont give you any bonus XP,no extra skills,no powerful gear,etc.So,..again,how's it pay to win? Just a way to free up room in our bank space.

Acrolas · April 2016

Can't wait to see the apologists do a 180 when sub costs rise or the complimentary crowns are reduced/removed.
And I'll say tough ***. The reward for blind loyalty is usually getting stabbed in the back eventually.

Wanderinlost · April 2016

brandon wrote: »

The people who have spent the past year buying DLC are getting screwed if they are forced to change to ESO+ in order to get a major QoL feature at this point. All those crowns could have been spent on anything else.

They should have just payed the sub in the first place and then they wouldn't have needed to worry about that.

ESO+ does not make you more loyal than other customers.

Someone who willingly pays an optional monthly payment is most definitely more loyal than someone who chooses to 1 time by things.

How does the crafting bag being purchasable in the crown store deprive ESO+ of that benefit?

Why should someone pay more money for something that is easily available in the crown store? If you can just buy it in the crown store (1 time buy) over constant paying for it then most people would do that. How is that a benefit then for ESO+ subs?

@Wanderinlost

Why should've we paid the sub in the first place? The principle behind B2P and DLC is that we get full access and support the game through one time payments and cash shop purchases. This kind of exclusivity is short-sighted, greedy and perhaps done in bad faith. Although I would like to think this isn't an intentional betrayal, just the usual corporate thinking.

IF you are a solid ESO+ member and have never bought DLC it won't be cheaper for you to switch, likewise it is not cheaper or worth it for a non-sub to switch. In some cases this might not be true but for the most part you will lose value or pay a price for switching between a sub and a non-sub.

CaptainBeerDude · April 2016

If it is purchasable expect it to be somewhere in the vicinity of 15k crowns. That is why it won't be purchasable. And give the merchant and banker to subbies for free.

OrangeTheCat · April 2016

TT

Volkodav · April 2016

magnusthorek wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Some of us buy the DLC, dood. Others stock up on crowns for that motif, those EXP scrolls, PoMs, Motifs, and that list goes on and on. That's supporting the game right there. While I agree with the point you're TRYING to make, please don't generalize non-subs that we're not supporting the game. We do.

This!

Buying off DLC and not having all the shity costumes, pets and prefer to WORK HARD to get all motifs don't make us less supporters than all those filthy Richie Riches of the game

Well,if you dont buy things in the crown store,dont sub,and dont buy the DLCs,..how are you supporting the game? What money do you put into it other than just the initial basic game purchase?

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

There is nothing unfair about how crafting bags were done. After all it's not like you have to sub forever to use it. Sub once, get some extra xp/research time in the process if you need it, and dump all your crafting materials into the bag. They will be available for use even if sub expires and just sub again if you wanna store more.

Volkodav · April 2016

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

I love non-subs complaining about not getting something that subs do. You dont support the game, we do, sub or manage you inventory the better way. *snip*

Some of us buy the DLC, dood. Others stock up on crowns for that motif, those EXP scrolls, PoMs, Motifs, and that list goes on and on. That's supporting the game right there. While I agree with the point you're TRYING to make, please don't generalize non-subs that we're not supporting the game. We do.

I am pretty much sure that you dont buy the DLC to support the game but just for the sake of being able to play DLC. If I was not sub I wouldnt buy probably a single DLC, because there is so little I actually like about it. I am being sub because I hope that its gonna help to improve the game. The lag is unbearable already.
So let me tell you this - I see those who dont sub but just buy DLC as people who buy it because they want to play it and any support to the game they are giving is rather secondary effect of it. I am pretty sure they get more money from someone who is 2 year sub than from someone who bought a DLC.

PS: DONT TRY TO MAKE ME ANGRY, DOOD.

Do you mean "Dude"?
(sorry,I couldnt help myself.)

Volkodav · April 2016

Masstershake wrote: »

Ripsyn wrote: »

I am absolutely happy to pay a subscription to a game I spend a lot of time in, and expect ongoing improvements and new content from. You bought the base game and have benefited from patches and expansions that were not part of the subscription, so you have already gotten "extra stuff" for free.

Support the game that you play or do without. Simple. It is a non necessary feature that has not been part of the game as long as anyone had played it.

What it will do is hopefully attract more subscribers so that all players can continue to enjoy a solvent game.

So if instead of ONLY spending 15 a month for a subscription i pay 100 a month on crowns and 1 time unlocking everything how am i not contributing more than a lousy subscription only player?

You pay $100.00 a month for crowns??? I cannot even fathom that! What in the he-ll do you use that many crowns on?

Moonshadow66 · April 2016

I think it's fine that it's a perk for subscribers only. C'mon, subscribers really don't get that much when you think about it; when levelled one or even all characters or skills to max, there's not much point in the XP bonus, there's also absolutely no point in the Inspiration bonus anymore after levelling all crafts to max, and in the end it's just the Crowns, but everyone else can get Crowns at any time.

That said, I maybe should also mention that I'm not a subscriber anymore myself; I was for about a year, and I'm not anymore for about another year. So I wouldn't even get those bags myself. But I think it's fair that subscribers get something worthwhile for a change.

ScooberSteve · April 2016

Its totally fair. How about your support the game you love?

luen79rwb17_ESO · April 2016

Not gonna say it's p2w because it definately isn't. But this is without doubt a step further from our current b2p model.

nimander99 · April 2016

/sigh

Artjuh90 · April 2016

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

I love non-subs complaining about not getting something that subs do. You dont support the game, we do, sub or manage you inventory the better way. We were subs even before this was planned, some will sub because of it, some will resub because being a sub did not have much benefit for them before. Want crafting bags? Then sub. Its absolutely fair. Being sub will finally mean something.
Its not anything pay to win and if someone says otherwise then he apparently dont know what pay to win means. Let me explain so that you dont have to google it. It means buying advantages over other players in terms of combat, being stronger, less killable, having better gear - well guess what, you cant buy better gear or more damage in crown store or getting it by subbing. Crafting bags are about being more comfortable with your inventory. You dont pay to win. You pay so that you dont have to spend hours trying to manage your already very full inventory/bank. Which is extremely annoying.
I am sub since I started to play the game, which is about 2 years now and finally now I feel its really worth it.

wasn't really going to respond to the post but i will to this one.
Let me start off im not a sub and i do agree a sub should hae beter perks as they do now and the crafting bag fit's well into it. as stated before everyone can sub there is a difference to sub and P2W in a big way. P2W often keeps draining you to the point that you have to whale while a sub is a set amount of money each term with no difference of cost between paying players (although with the B2P model this is debatable).
but to get to the point i do kinda get why some people who are like me not subbed are scared of the P2W situation it CAN become. because the crafting bag is nice but what if they make more "niche" options for subs which become ever more viable to the point it's necessary. this is a thing to be wary off. but with just the crafting bags it's 2 soon

Volkodav · April 2016

Wanderinlost wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

It's as though some of you really don't understand why Zeni wants to have a revenue stream from subs, and are somehow taking it personally. They need to provide an incentive for people to pay a regular amount every month rather than just occasionally buying crowns. It's fairly fundamental to their financial planning that they encourage people to get a sub. If you are one of the few people who absolutely cannot pay a sub, it is not aimed at hurting you, it is aimed at getting regular income for ongoing development of the game. Running a business 101.

They already have an incentive and that is quarterly DLC. The buy to play, one time payment is why we have been purchasing DLC. By putting crafting bags behind a sub we either subscribe, which makes the entire principle of those one time purchases nil, or do not get access to a very important feature.

ESO+ is renting content and features. B2P is making purchases with crowns. Both groups are paying, and the difference in amount is not as substantial as many have been trying to portray. By making this ESO+ exclusive it goes against the model the B2P group has been supporting. It is a underhanded and unfair. It is changing the model by putting an important feature behind a sub. If you always had subbed those crowns would have been spent on stuff other than DLC, and for someone to switch to ESO+ after the fact will render those previous purchases to have no value since you are then getting access for the price of the sub.

Perhaps ZOS wants to enhance the subs,and they WANT more subscribers than they have now.Not just people who pay once and sometimes buy crowns.Perhaps they want a steady reliable bit of income.It isnt up to you or me to decide what they should or should not be focusing on.It's their game,and they'll do their best to bring in the needed money to keep it going.If THEY think Subs are their bread and butter,it's their right.They can do what they like.If someone doesnt like it they can either accept it or play a different game.
Personally,I sub,and sometimes do have bag problems. XD
However,not once have I bi-tched about it in the past when no bags were even thought of. I just got on with it and dumped or deconned whatever I deemed not that important,and stacked what I could in my bank to make extra space.If,for some reason,those bags dont come to us subbers,fine.It wont effect my subbing or my gameplay at all.

Annalyse · April 2016

I do believe that subbing should have more incentive, and a crafting bag with infinite space would be great for that.

That said, as someone who cannot sub every single month (and thus cannot ever, because having and then losing such a crafting bag would be too painful!), I hope they will at least consider putting more bank upgrades in the crown store, or maybe some limited 30ish space crafting bag. I'd be happy with anything at this point. Logging in and out takes a very long time so using mules frustrates me.

MissBizz · April 2016

Masstershake wrote: »

Anything you can get with the subscription so far you have been able to purchase for a 1 time fee. If that's the model they have used so far why should the crafting bag be any different?

Subscribers should get the bag for free

People who 1 time purchase stuff should be able to 1 time purchase bag.

Actually most of what subs get are not offered for a one time fee. Decreased trait research time. 10% extra gold. Constant 10% extra XP (although that's iffy since there are XP Scrolls and drinks).

I'm all for it being sub only. Yes, I subscribe. Many many people though I talk to do not subscribe because the perks aren't good enough. This is getting some folks to decide to subscribe.

By your logic, Subs should have access to the two merchants as part of their sub as well. (A convenience item that deals with inventory at the $50ish price point).

Volkodav · April 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

I couldn't care less if it comes out for subscribers only or gets to be bought for crowns as well, I do however worry that if this thing only comes for subscribers - how far does ZOS intend to take this business model?

As a subscriber, I don't mind getting benefits - but I don't want the benefits to create a too big of a gab between subscribers and non-subscribers, because it will hurt the community if one group gets many comfort benefits over the other.

This is a B2P game, not a F2P game and I don't want the community to be split too much.

The community is only here in the forums.Dont worry though.If a gap should arrive,it wont effect gameplay,due to the fact that no one will ask you,hey,..are you a subber<..or not?
They wont know who subs unless you tell them.Even in the forums,if you dont say you sub,it wont matter.
Sad though,that one must hide their being a subber.I kind of wish it was still sub only.This way,ZOS would have a steady influx of funds,and no one would be griping about what some get and others dont. This one forum is like a child's playground a lot it seems.
"You got a better ball than me! I WANT ONE TOO,or I'll cry!"
Children are very vicious.

FleetwoodSmack · April 2016

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

I think it's fine that it's a perk for subscribers only. C'mon, subscribers really don't get that much when you think about it; when levelled one or even all characters or skills to max, there's not much point in the XP bonus, there's also absolutely no point in the Inspiration bonus anymore after levelling all crafts to max, and in the end it's just the Crowns, but everyone else can get Crowns at any time.

That said, I maybe should also mention that I'm not a subscriber anymore myself; I was for about a year, and I'm not anymore for about another year. So I wouldn't even get those bags myself. But I think it's fair that subscribers get something worthwhile for a change.

Pretty much all of this. I subbed and then I stopped subbing. Don't even care about the bags. It doesn't affect me what so ever. For those that do, I think it's a step in the right direction for certain loyalties. It's not like they're adding free bank space for those that subscribe. Rather it's that they're adding something to manage inventory, which we can ALREADY do. I certainly don't mind the character swaps. I just log out, select the character, get some tea, and by the time I'm back I'm already in game.

Volkodav wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

I couldn't care less if it comes out for subscribers only or gets to be bought for crowns as well, I do however worry that if this thing only comes for subscribers - how far does ZOS intend to take this business model?

As a subscriber, I don't mind getting benefits - but I don't want the benefits to create a too big of a gab between subscribers and non-subscribers, because it will hurt the community if one group gets many comfort benefits over the other.

This is a B2P game, not a F2P game and I don't want the community to be split too much.

The community is only here in the forums.Dont worry though.If a gap should arrive,it wont effect gameplay,due to the fact that no one will ask you,hey,..are you a subber<..or not?
They wont know who subs unless you tell them.Even in the forums,if you dont say you sub,it wont matte.
Sad though,that one must hide their being a subber.I kind of wish it was still sub only.This way,ZOS would have a steady influx of funds,and no one would be griping about what some get and others dont. This one forum is like a child's playground a lot it seems.
"You got a better ball than me! I WANT ONE TOO,or I'll cry!"
Children are very vicious.

I'm actually kind of glad for the option to sub or not and continue to play the game. They have to be making bank through both forms. Be it subbing or microtransactions. If they have a better ball than me, that's fine. I don't see this at all as P2W or even P2P. And I'm no longer a subber. However I can see your point, especially with how this thread's going. It's absolutely ridiculous on both sides. If you sub, you get a crafting bag. If you don't and want a crafting bag? Sub. Neither side should be generalizing one another.

CaptainBeerDude · April 2016

magnusthorek wrote: »

"ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

I am pretty much sure that you dont buy the DLC to support the game but just for the sake of being able to play DLC.

Yes and no. New content is good but the lack of quality recently doesn't fit exactly the pleasure of paying for them. But a purchase is a purchase, regardless the motive, it's money for the company and it's supportive anyways.

ArvenAldmeri wrote: »

The motives do not come to us for free. Most people such as me just farm it the normal way. It makes me laugh that you think all subs are richie riches tho. I am currently unemployed looking for work
And stop being jealous because of the pets and costumes, we all know you want them real bad.

I never said you didn't go the hard way. I did that too. If I say about "richness" (broaden the concept, it's not literal) it's purely based upon exchange rates country-to-country. If subbers didn't get any crowns back I would be truly respecful, but you (or they) get a *** ton for free.

And I never liked the concept of pets. It's disturbing having something following me. I bought a costume recently with the surplus invested in the epic failure of TG DLC I paid 125 bucks for (see the reason of my frustration?) and it's not even THAT great

I guess you live in Zimbabwe then. The cost of the base DLC here is $25-30. The bells and whistles pack is about $45. Perhaps you need to access the $team/XBox $place/P$ $hop in your locale. The currencies are usually normalised then.

Wanderinlost · April 2016

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Its totally fair. How about your support the game you love?

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

I think it's fine that it's a perk for subscribers only. C'mon, subscribers really don't get that much when you think about it; when levelled one or even all characters or skills to max, there's not much point in the XP bonus, there's also absolutely no point in the Inspiration bonus anymore after levelling all crafts to max, and in the end it's just the Crowns, but everyone else can get Crowns at any time.

That said, I maybe should also mention that I'm not a subscriber anymore myself; I was for about a year, and I'm not anymore for about another year. So I wouldn't even get those bags myself. But I think it's fair that subscribers get something worthwhile for a change.

ESO+ get the crafting bag for free, 1500 crowns per month and the other benefits.

If it was sold on the store people would have to pay for it, probably a lot, and it would not be free.

How is this mindset so pervasive, that exclusivity is some sort of benefit for ESO+ members? The only people this benefits is Zenimax because it in theory will drive up subscription numbers, which imo is a major miscalculation on their part as it will create tourists who never buy DLC, crowns or stay subbed for any length of time. The success and recovery they have experienced is most likely because of their shift in business model, shifting back toward P2P features is no good for anyone.

Up until this I was pretty sure that I would've bought every DLC they ever released until this game shut down, and probably a lot of stuff of the crown store. Now they will be lucky to get a few month of sub per year at best and zero crown purchases. The evolution of this thread has made me consider much and it is the only thing that makes sense in light of their decision to exclude crafting bags from the crown store. You also have to wonder if it will even stop here or will they exclude their B2P customers in even more ways over time? /trust broken

FleetwoodSmack · April 2016

Wanderinlost wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Its totally fair. How about your support the game you love?

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

I think it's fine that it's a perk for subscribers only. C'mon, subscribers really don't get that much when you think about it; when levelled one or even all characters or skills to max, there's not much point in the XP bonus, there's also absolutely no point in the Inspiration bonus anymore after levelling all crafts to max, and in the end it's just the Crowns, but everyone else can get Crowns at any time.

That said, I maybe should also mention that I'm not a subscriber anymore myself; I was for about a year, and I'm not anymore for about another year. So I wouldn't even get those bags myself. But I think it's fair that subscribers get something worthwhile for a change.

ESO+ get the crafting bag for free, 1500 crowns per month and the other benefits.

If it was sold on the store people would have to pay for it, probably a lot, and it would not be free.

How is this mindset so pervasive, that exclusivity is some sort of benefit for ESO+ members? The only people this benefits is Zenimax because it in theory will drive up subscription numbers, which imo is a major miscalculation on their part as it will create tourists who never buy DLC, crowns or stay subbed for any length of time. The success and recovery they have experienced is most likely because of their shift in business model, shifting back toward P2P features is no good for anyone.

Up until this I was pretty sure that I would've bought every DLC they ever released until this game shut down, and probably a lot of stuff of the crown store. Now they will be lucky to get a few month of sub per year at best and zero crown purchases. The evolution of this thread has made me consider much and it is the only thing that makes sense in light of their decision to exclude crafting bags from the crown store. You also have to wonder if it will even stop here or will they exclude their B2P customers in even more ways over time? /trust broken

I have to disagree with you. They haven't excluded us in any way, shape, or form. All this over a crafting bag? I could understand if it was a BiS armor piece or weapon. Or adding a fourth jewelry slot. But a crafting bag? How is this a significant game changer for every B2P person? Inventory management isn't THAT deplorable, is it?

ManwithBeard9 · April 2016

Wanderinlost wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Its totally fair. How about your support the game you love?

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

I think it's fine that it's a perk for subscribers only. C'mon, subscribers really don't get that much when you think about it; when levelled one or even all characters or skills to max, there's not much point in the XP bonus, there's also absolutely no point in the Inspiration bonus anymore after levelling all crafts to max, and in the end it's just the Crowns, but everyone else can get Crowns at any time.

That said, I maybe should also mention that I'm not a subscriber anymore myself; I was for about a year, and I'm not anymore for about another year. So I wouldn't even get those bags myself. But I think it's fair that subscribers get something worthwhile for a change.

ESO+ get the crafting bag for free, 1500 crowns per month and the other benefits.

ESO Plus Costs $15 a month sometime more with tax. It is in now way free.

Wanderinlost · April 2016

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Wanderinlost wrote: »

ScooberSteve wrote: »

Its totally fair. How about your support the game you love?

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

I think it's fine that it's a perk for subscribers only. C'mon, subscribers really don't get that much when you think about it; when levelled one or even all characters or skills to max, there's not much point in the XP bonus, there's also absolutely no point in the Inspiration bonus anymore after levelling all crafts to max, and in the end it's just the Crowns, but everyone else can get Crowns at any time.

That said, I maybe should also mention that I'm not a subscriber anymore myself; I was for about a year, and I'm not anymore for about another year. So I wouldn't even get those bags myself. But I think it's fair that subscribers get something worthwhile for a change.

ESO+ get the crafting bag for free, 1500 crowns per month and the other benefits.

If it was sold on the store people would have to pay for it, probably a lot, and it would not be free.

How is this mindset so pervasive, that exclusivity is some sort of benefit for ESO+ members? The only people this benefits is Zenimax because it in theory will drive up subscription numbers, which imo is a major miscalculation on their part as it will create tourists who never buy DLC, crowns or stay subbed for any length of time. The success and recovery they have experienced is most likely because of their shift in business model, shifting back toward P2P features is no good for anyone.

Up until this I was pretty sure that I would've bought every DLC they ever released until this game shut down, and probably a lot of stuff of the crown store. Now they will be lucky to get a few month of sub per year at best and zero crown purchases. The evolution of this thread has made me consider much and it is the only thing that makes sense in light of their decision to exclude crafting bags from the crown store. You also have to wonder if it will even stop here or will they exclude their B2P customers in even more ways over time? /trust broken

I have to disagree with you. They haven't excluded us in any way, shape, or form. All this over a crafting bag? I could understand if it was a BiS armor piece or weapon. Or adding a fourth jewelry slot. But a crafting bag? How is this a significant game changer for every B2P person? Inventory management isn't THAT deplorable, is it?

I put inventory space over everything. Gear, content, function, bugs, imbalance etc. I can live with just about anything in a game, but this inventory thing has been especially bad in ESO. Enough that it has kept me away from really playing this game much. Although we were told it was coming. Now it is almost here but B2P customers can't have it. My issue is not about ESO+ getting it for free, just that there will be no option to purchase it.

Svalinn · April 2016

This is going to be my last post in this thread because trying to make some people able to think and reason about stuff is like talking to a wall... totally pointless.

I'll keep everything very simple.

1. ZOS wants more subscribers.

2. adding the crafting bag as a subscriber only item will make more people subscribe.

3. if the bag was sold as a stand alone item in the cash shop, then the people subscribing for it would not subscribe anymore thus not solving ZOS problem about subscriptions.

4. no matter how people whine about it, if you don't subscribe and don't get a bag you can still play the game just fine.

End of story, if you still can't understand why the bag will be a subscriber only item then you're behond hope and i hope for you you'll never open yourself your own working place because you'd go bankrupt in a couple of months.

And for whoever was that said that he "Puts inventory space over everything else in the game"... well that is probably the reason why you don't enjoy the game.. basically you're saying that you don't quest, you don't look for equip, you don't do PvP, you don't do dungeons... well basically you don't play the game because you focus on the inventory... there's no cure for that and it's you beeing stupid and not the game or the developers beeing "unfair" ^^

To make it clearer.. it's like buying a FIFA game.. not playing a single match because you concentrate on making 500 new players in the database.. and if you find out that you can only make 499 players instead of 500 you go and whine with friends saying that "FIFA" is an unfair game to the players... without even playing it.