Leveling additional roles and classes just to get good at the game.

MidnightBlue · April 2016

So I've been talking to a friend and thinking about this, to really get good at the game and build a solid group of players to beat content with, should you level multiple characters of different roles/classes?

Because right now I am having problems finding people to do pve content with. I only play as a NB and Sorc and I don't know much about healing or tanking at all because I don't have those classes. People recommended I start my own group or guild to get trials going. The problem is I don't know how to play other roles aside from the ones I already own unless I create and level those characters.

So my question to the raid and pve community: Did you guys level multiple classes and roles to get good and found people to do end game content with like that? How did you get good and found a solid group?

I want to hear from both sides. The ones that just found a trials group/guild without leading one and the ones that had to form one and led one.

Wollust · April 2016

I started trials back in 2014 with a big PvE guild that would take beginners in and teach them during "noobruns" with some of their higher tier players. I started looking at youtube videos, consulted tamrielfoundry and learned the basics this way. And then improved during the raids with said guild.
Depending on which server and platform you are, I'm sure there should be guilds around that take interested players in and start showing them how it works.

Mojmir · April 2016

MidnightBlue wrote: »

So I've been talking to a friend and thinking about this, to really get good at the game and build a solid group of players to beat content with, should you level multiple characters of different roles/classes?

Because right now I am having problems finding people to do pve content with. I only play as a NB and Sorc and I don't know much about healing or tanking at all because I don't have those classes. People recommended I start my own group or guild to get trials going. The problem is I don't know how to play other roles aside from the ones I already own unless I create and level those characters.

So my question to the raid and pve community: Did you guys level multiple classes and roles to get good and found people to do end game content with like that? How did you get good and found a solid group?

I want to hear from both sides. The ones that just found a trials group/guild without leading one and the ones that had to form one and led one.

this can only be answered by you,
are you comfortable in different roles/classes?
can you perform equally in each classes/role?
i made a character in each classes just to see what they have to offer,plus now i have 8 crafters to do writs and i can run 8 pledges a day,8 of any daily thing. theyve all in been in pvp,and ive tried out every skill i can on them. after all of this,im aware of their strengths and weaknesses,and i know to play to them.
as for leading and grouping,ive always chose to let someone else do that, i could but its not what im comfortable with. the most important thing ive found for group content, find a good guild. it doesnt have to be the best,but people you can click with, the rest will follow.i found a good pvp guild and a good raiding guild. they both have been giving me insight to my playing and i hope ive helped them.

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

They are so many PvE guilds out there that you all may be best off joining one to save time rather than creating your own or levelling up alts to fulfil different roles. A smaller one with ~30-50 active members may suit you better as there may be less competition for spaces.

MidnightBlue · April 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

They are so many PvE guilds out there that you all may be best off joining one to save time rather than creating your own or levelling up alts to fulfil different roles. A smaller one with ~30-50 active members may suit you better as there may be less competition for spaces.

I could join a small or big one that are filled with people that don't know what they're doing. What if there are tanks and healers that can't do their part in dungeons and trials and need help? Who can help them? I would if I could, but I wouldn't be able to because I don't know anything about those classes unless I own them and know how to play them. I can't help them if I don't know how the mechanics work or how certain classes work. That's why I asked if I should just create classes just to help and do trials after helping them. Sounds like a lot of work, but I am running out of options. This would be my absolute last resort is PUG randoms, make them better and get good together in groups.

VaxtinTheWolf · April 2016

I can't provide much advice but I made a decision in launch to main the Nightblade class. I have 3 different ones to focus on one role. My problem is i'm afraid of backlash in groups because I lack experience. I want to try vetern dungeons but I dont want to be judged just because I'm not min/maxing top DPS/Tank/Healer or whatever. I just want to enjoy the experience.

Also, I've avoided guilds for content I probably should be joining. Mostly a solo player I suppose.

Mojmir · April 2016

VaxtinTheWolf wrote: »

I can't provide much advice but I made a decision in launch to main the Nightblade class. I have 3 different ones to focus on one role. My problem is i'm afraid of backlash in groups because I lack experience. I want to try vetern dungeons but I dont want to be judged just because I'm not min/maxing top DPS/Tank/Healer or whatever. I just want to enjoy the experience.

no shame in admitting that to a group before hand.it's when your knee deep in the *** and you don't say anything that's gets bad.
We all started somewhere.

Flaminir · April 2016

Levelled pretty much all classes to learn them and how to counter them in PvP... Also it gives me all roles in PvE so if my guild need a tank... I have a charachter who can either main tank a trial, or DPS/Tank a gold key. I have a healer who can also DPS, and my main DPS who is also pretty ok in PvP.

Having a few different characters which can do different things can only be a good thing.

MidnightBlue · April 2016

Might have to level multiple classes then. Only real pain in the ass is getting the gear.

VaxtinTheWolf wrote: »

I can't provide much advice but I made a decision in launch to main the Nightblade class. I have 3 different ones to focus on one role. My problem is i'm afraid of backlash in groups because I lack experience. I want to try vetern dungeons but I dont want to be judged just because I'm not min/maxing top DPS/Tank/Healer or whatever. I just want to enjoy the experience.

Also, I've avoided guilds for content I probably should be joining. Mostly a solo player I suppose.

It's not so much that people want to judge you for that. I'm sure if this game was more forgiving with not min/maxing it wouldn't be much of a problem. It's just that this game makes it hard to complete content without min-maxing at all that all the hardcore players do it because it's effective and gets stuff done more smoothly, efficiently, and quickly. You could probably complete dungeons using hybrid magic and stamina builds, but you wouldn't be able to do it as smoothly as min/max players and it'll take a lot longer time. People don't enjoy spending hours in a dungeon wiping, wasting soul gems, and repairing armor as a good experience when they can do min/max builds to get it done better.

Just my personal opinion.

VaxtinTheWolf · April 2016

MidnightBlue wrote: »

Might have to level multiple classes then. Only real pain in the ass is getting the gear.

VaxtinTheWolf wrote: »

I can't provide much advice but I made a decision in launch to main the Nightblade class. I have 3 different ones to focus on one role. My problem is i'm afraid of backlash in groups because I lack experience. I want to try vetern dungeons but I dont want to be judged just because I'm not min/maxing top DPS/Tank/Healer or whatever. I just want to enjoy the experience.

Also, I've avoided guilds for content I probably should be joining. Mostly a solo player I suppose.

It's not so much that people want to judge you for that. I'm sure if this game was more forgiving with not min/maxing it wouldn't be much of a problem. It's just that this game makes it hard to complete content without min-maxing at all that all the hardcore players do it because it's effective and gets stuff more smoothly, efficiently, and quickly. You could probably complete dungeons using hybrid magic and stamina builds, but you wouldn't be able to do it as smoothly as min/max players and it'll take a lot longer time. People don't enjoy spending hours in a dungeon wiping, wasting soul gems, and repairing armor as a good experience thus they do min/max builds to get it done.

Just my personal opinion.

Oh, no I'm a min/maxer but I do have a desire to be viable. I dont try to make hybrid builds, I main one resource or the other, with a small health buffer. Aside from the tank where I try to get 20k without food.

I was just saying I've been kicked while experimenting with a stamina NB tank that I gave up on later. Basically I was clearly using caltrops and harassing the backline of ranged enemies , but because some bow user didn't have bombard to protect himself I was blamed for not being a tank tanking in which he disabaned the whole group in a -normal- dungeon. And something similar happened another time a while ago.

I dont like "dealing" with people, but I want to do those group activities. I learn from doing so guides are 'meh' for me,, but if I'm not knowing what I'm doing then someone will probably start questioning you. I could just be stressing about it more than I should, but when it comes it, I lose a lot of confidence to even try it.

Ariisen · April 2016

I have 5 V16, 1 Tank (DK), 3 Magicka DPS (Sorc, NB, Templar) and 1 Stamina DPS (NB).

For me, the only way to actually tell if somebody knows how to do is job and differentiate between bad\decent\good\top tier is to know the job yourself.

I'm a decent tank for example and I have tanked all the old trials in hard but I've seen tanks that can do better than me and are more vocal (is important as a tank).

I'm a terrible healer lol, I really suck. So when I see a healer in a trial with DW that asks me "what's Siphon Spirit?" I know he's as bad as me.

But I'm a good DPS, I know how to maximize my damage and because I play all 4 classes I can see when people are doing good damage, the skills they use and stuff like that.

So, for me, yes, it's really important to know "what the guy should be doing" and compare it to "what the guy is doing" in order to get a hang of the player skill.

Wich platform\server are you playing btw?

failkiwib16_ESO · April 2016

Levelling a char of every class, and playing both healer/tank/damage dealer really does make you a better player, as you get to know each class and their weaknesses and strengths.
-however, if you still have tons of skills to level up with your current chars and you really haven't touched or completed any endgame content with those yet, then continue to play on them, work on your role with those 2 chars, and improve a little before you focus on new ones.

You can start a new guild, but setting one up will be reaaaally tough unless you already know what and how to do. Alone running a guild can be stressful and problematic, running a guild with purpose of achieving something is more stressful as it will require you to be very active, learn to know each guildmember, find suitable officers who can do the job and not just be your personal bro buddies.

For raids you will need a raidleader, required amount of tank and healers + damage dealers who are both competent and can raid at the same time. Have some backup in case some raiders are offline, usually the "backup" are raiders who are in training phase.

Best thing you can do is to join others, be talkative, socialize and ask a around for friendly social guilds and raidguilds.

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

MidnightBlue wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

They are so many PvE guilds out there that you all may be best off joining one to save time rather than creating your own or levelling up alts to fulfil different roles. A smaller one with ~30-50 active members may suit you better as there may be less competition for spaces.

I could join a small or big one that are filled with people that don't know what they're doing. What if there are tanks and healers that can't do their part in dungeons and trials and need help? Who can help them? I would if I could, but I wouldn't be able to because I don't know anything about those classes unless I own them and know how to play them. I can't help them if I don't know how the mechanics work or how certain classes work. That's why I asked if I should just create classes just to help and do trials after helping them. Sounds like a lot of work, but I am running out of options. This would be my absolute last resort is PUG randoms, make them better and get good together in groups.

Well if they're already part of an actual PvE guild (big or small) who already run regular dungeons and trials I'd assume that from previous experience that they already know what they're doing and how to fulfil their roles to level which allows reasonable completion. If they weren't then it wouldn't be specifically classed as a PvE guild, would it? It would just be a general guild.

Granted, they may not be elite players and be able to compete at the top of the leaderboards but if that's what your seeking then either do it the:

• Long way
Create your own guild, recruit adequate/good players and either knowledgeable players who can give advice or learn the roles yourselves and develop each other.

• Short way
1. Try and join an elite PvE guild
2. Message the guild leader of trading guilds that you're in, see if he knows anyone who has an elite PvE guild or wants to start competing.

MidnightBlue · April 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

MidnightBlue wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

They are so many PvE guilds out there that you all may be best off joining one to save time rather than creating your own or levelling up alts to fulfil different roles. A smaller one with ~30-50 active members may suit you better as there may be less competition for spaces.

I could join a small or big one that are filled with people that don't know what they're doing. What if there are tanks and healers that can't do their part in dungeons and trials and need help? Who can help them? I would if I could, but I wouldn't be able to because I don't know anything about those classes unless I own them and know how to play them. I can't help them if I don't know how the mechanics work or how certain classes work. That's why I asked if I should just create classes just to help and do trials after helping them. Sounds like a lot of work, but I am running out of options. This would be my absolute last resort is PUG randoms, make them better and get good together in groups.

Well if they're already part of an actual PvE guild (big or small) who already run regular dungeons and trials I'd assume that from previous experience that they already know what they're doing and how to fulfil their roles to level which allows reasonable completion. If they weren't then it wouldn't be specifically classed as a PvE guild, would it? It would just be a general guild.

Granted, they may not be elite players and be able to compete at the top of the leaderboards but if that's what your seeking then either do it the:

• Long way
Create your own guild, recruit adequate/good players and either knowledgeable players who can give advice or learn the roles yourselves and develop each other.

• Short way
1. Try and join an elite PvE guild
2. Message the guild leader of trading guilds that you're in, see if he knows anyone who has an elite PvE guild or wants to start competing.

You'd be surprise by how many pve guilds that can't complete trials or other pve content. I see your point though that they should be able to, but unfortunately more often than not they cannot. Maybe they are a general guild in disguise.

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

MidnightBlue wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

MidnightBlue wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

They are so many PvE guilds out there that you all may be best off joining one to save time rather than creating your own or levelling up alts to fulfil different roles. A smaller one with ~30-50 active members may suit you better as there may be less competition for spaces.

I could join a small or big one that are filled with people that don't know what they're doing. What if there are tanks and healers that can't do their part in dungeons and trials and need help? Who can help them? I would if I could, but I wouldn't be able to because I don't know anything about those classes unless I own them and know how to play them. I can't help them if I don't know how the mechanics work or how certain classes work. That's why I asked if I should just create classes just to help and do trials after helping them. Sounds like a lot of work, but I am running out of options. This would be my absolute last resort is PUG randoms, make them better and get good together in groups.

Well if they're already part of an actual PvE guild (big or small) who already run regular dungeons and trials I'd assume that from previous experience that they already know what they're doing and how to fulfil their roles to level which allows reasonable completion. If they weren't then it wouldn't be specifically classed as a PvE guild, would it? It would just be a general guild.

Granted, they may not be elite players and be able to compete at the top of the leaderboards but if that's what your seeking then either do it the:

• Long way
Create your own guild, recruit adequate/good players and either knowledgeable players who can give advice or learn the roles yourselves and develop each other.

• Short way
1. Try and join an elite PvE guild
2. Message the guild leader of trading guilds that you're in, see if he knows anyone who has an elite PvE guild or wants to start competing.

You'd be surprise by how many pve guilds that can't complete trials or other pve content. I see your point though that they should be able to, but unfortunately more often than not they cannot. Maybe they are a general guild in disguise.

Luckily I haven't encountered those kind of guilds so I'll be blinkered to that. Maybe they just class themselves as PvE guilds because they don't PvP and only run dungeons and quests as groups, whilst being correct it is misleading.

Good luck, anyway.

7788b14_ESO · April 2016

I always level multiple classes. Yes, it teaches you everything about that class and when or if your favorite class gets nerfed into the ground you can play another until the pendulum swings back the other way. Or if you want a change of pace you can jump into one of your other characters.

Also to find a good guild you have to research. They usually have a good track record for being the first to do content and have a good training program for new players and regularly schedule runs through different or new content.

failkiwib16_ESO · April 2016

@VaxtinTheWolf you should consider to take a look at our guild recruitment section on the forums, either seek for a guild or make a request to join a casual guild that is able to teach you group content in this game. There are plenty of these kinds of guilds, just be honest and tell them you are very much interested in learning...

@MidnightBlue if you already have 2 chars, then maybe you should stick to them and advance your build, rotation and gear, and in the meantime try to get into a guild or find good friends you can regulary do dungeons with. Do some dungeon runs with them, ask them what the individual skills do.

That kinda helped me a lot, because I started out as a healer and I struggled a lot at my role, untill I asked what the tank and DD's in my group were doing, and why.

Honestly browse through our guild recruitment section on the forums, see if there are any active raid guilds you can join. Starting a new guild while not being experienced is going to cause you a lot of headache.

Apherius · April 2016

MidnightBlue wrote: »

So my question to the raid and pve community: Did you guys level multiple classes and roles to get good and found people to do end game content with like that? How did you get good and found a solid group?

No . i play only 1 classes and 1 role . Sorcerer magicka dps . and it's all . i want to optimize my sorc ... so he finishe VMA . and have all sucees of ICP and WGT . so if you want to be good start by you're favorite character and optimize him . if you want to find good group start by find a Good PVE guild . and if you want help with sorc , send me a mail or ---> http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/2-1-8-the-yolo-wizard-magicka-sorcerer-insane-burst-dps-pve-build/

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

DPSers are too common. If you don't specialize in DPS and are good at your healing/tanking/general support role you will be a welcome addition to take the load off of other DPSers and find groups easier. Despite popular belief all DPS is not entirely the way to go because too much of something can be bad. I myself have a healer alt, a tank alt, 2 pure DPS, my main is technically DPS but is more built for speed than anything, and I have a bulky warrior type just because

My Werewolf and Vampire alts are just for those and they are hybrid builds just for kix.

Dromede · April 2016

@MidnightBlue No need to have all characters at once(theoretical understanding should be enough), but being in a good PVE guild - must. How do you know they are good? They have requirements - Teamspeak access with mic, at least one v16, certain amount of CP, completion of certain achievements. They have progression teams - a group of dedicated players who know game really well and are able to complete endgame content.

Be vocal about what you want out of guild participation (trials access in your case), and be ready to comply with their rules and requirements. They can teach you a good build and skill rotation, mechanics and spend time making sure you learn them well, but be ready to bring your gear up to par - legendary or at least purple armor, gold runes, crafted tripots or other good pots and food. Always have enough soul gems and repair kits. This part might sound 'duh', but you'll be surprised how many new guildies don't do these common courtesy things.

After proving yourself, you'll get higher ranks within the guild, make a couple friends, your name will get recognized, you'll start getting whispers and invites before the raid announcement is even posted in the guild chat. If you got to this point - congrats, mission accomplished))

TheShadowScout · April 2016

For PvE, doing all the characters is not required, it is enough that you know exactly what your characters can do, and how to use them to their best effect... when to change your skill load for a specific fight, how to deal with this or that... those sort of things. Know when to use what ability, how to best manage your resources, which gear combination best suits your style, how to make the tanks and healers job easier by avoiding the most aggro/damage, etc.

For PvP it can be quite good to know exactly what each class can and cannot do of course... as well as practicing to get the "how did they do -that-" things sorted out... because that sort of knowledge will sometimes be very helpful in adjusting to the opponents you might face (any sorc who ever fought a wing-flapping DK may know how important the right skill selection can be)

And for making contacts... well, for that one every new character you play gives you that much more chances to connect with someone. But of course, finding a decent guild and making yourself known in guild chat and most important through assisting the guild members when possible and helping the guild in general may be the best way to forge connections...

Of course, as has been mentioned, DPS are like grains of sand - most common of all, mostly because they need to do least in a group, they just pour on the hurt, and let others worry about the rest. DPS generally have it hard for PUGs, since the few tanks and healers can take their pick...

NewBlacksmurf · April 2016

Not required at all but yes I have one of each.

I'd say to learn the rejuv staff, destruction staff and sword and shield as well as undaunted rather than Rerolling if u like night blade. Start there and be sure to level up cooking if I have not for food buffs in trials. Blue at a min but purple is u got those recipes.

FriedEggSandwich · April 2016

Depends if your muscle memory can cope. For me personally if I play my templar alt I forget how to sorc. Well not exactly forget but certainly become less effective. I rely on my muscle memory to help me survive in pvp and I don't like tampering with it. Other players seem to be just as effective whichever class they play, and I admire them.