PrinceFabious wrote: »

We won that fight. Would you like me to post the shadow play?

Which fight? Sure post it. I would like to see this "win".

LyleiaSnow wrote: »

Dear Rylana,

I guess it would just have been blind hope to expect a «good fight, let’s do it again some time» from you after facing you GvG with even numbers. Instead, you felt the need to inflate (2x+... from 15 to 40+... okay then) the numbers of the opposing team and flat-out lie about the number of times you wiped us.

I am not one for gloating and am in no way a forum warrior as you are, but I felt the need to respond because I find the fact you need to insult an entire faction and make up fictional-super-outnumbered fights against us to make yourself look better shameful.

We wiped you, you wiped us. Just man up, stop making excuses and accept the fact you are not an almighty god and that it doesn’t necessarily take a «40+» AD ZERG to bring you and your group down.

Except both you and your guild lead are being dishonest as hell. I actually had 16. I said that already. The claim was made of 15+ pugs, of which I saw exactly 2. So even inclusive of "pugs" - which btw neither are pugs, one is even a DR member who just happened to be there solo I guess, we had at most 18.

I know when ive been in an even numbers fight. Ask Khole, ask VE. They get their props when its not an obvious zergtowin situation. Hell if it wasnt for AD having pretty much the whole map every time I log in, id be over fighting Khole, they actually match our numbers better and result in more satisfying fights.

Perhaps you have zerg goggles, see I am okay with that, because I have learned to see just how many on my side are actually there, but have you? You guys claim (from a screen shot 3 hours AFTER this fight took place) you had 15. This is absurd to even claim, like Arinar said we do have some of this fight on video, and should it be uploaded (dunno if he is or not) you will clearly see a group of about 20-25 that you were in, plus a dozen or more stacked with you. You legitimately had 35-40 people, and while you may CLAIM you had a core group of 15, that is in fact not what you actually had there, nor what we were fighting the entire time. Honestly the first time i realized your group was there, it was a stealth bomb with a full raid on us while we were already engaged with another group of 20 or so and beating them handily, only to have yet another raid (stealthed? really? with that many? really?) come out and hit us from behind.

Anywhere from 40-60 people solid for the whole night, every time we engaged AD, the whole idea of us fighting just 15 would have been a welcome difference if I am completely honest. There comes a point where its just disgusting to me that you guys in AD are actually having the audacity to claim you running less than I was. Surely you realize how utterly rubbish that claim even sounds?

Its like the old Crownzerg argument. Yeah sure, maybe one PART of the zerg contains a group of 12, 15, 18, whatever, but the whole zerg is multiples of that. The group we fought at BRK was easily 2 or 3 such size groups. Which one was yours eh?

Admit it, honestly its getting old, we have never fought an even numbers fight on Haderus. Every time DR fields, the moment we show up anywhere, the entire AD faction just stacks up and charges in to where ever we are. Sometimes 30, sometimes 60, but every time horribly outnumbering us to the point of silliness. I have even seen blobs of at least 100 at arrius before. Its fricken insane how deep AD is running. Hell, the Fare fight someone in this thread was gloating about had one of our stam guys tag 51 on the third floor steps with caltrops. 51? And they are bragging about that?

If you truly feel this makes you better players, then there is really nothing further to discuss. Like I said, the offer for an ACTUAL even numbers fight (12, 15, 18, 24, doesnt matter to me, but 24 max) still stands, but I know you wont actually accept because you cant beat us with anything less than twice our size.

Im still surprised a mod hasnt come in and given us the token "hey guys be nice to each other" post.... Dang.. PvP is neglected even in the forums =(

Rylana wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Im still surprised a mod hasnt come in and given us the token "hey guys be nice to each other" post.... Dang.. PvP is neglected even in the forums =(

It really wouldnt even be an argument if about 60 or so of the ad prime time zerg just went back to trueflame and actually fought where there was enough population to warrant having that many people.

I mean lets be realistic, between all parties in AD there are probably 100 or more on the field at any given time from 5pm to midnight. Some might be over fighting the handful of DC, some might be over fighting the slightly bigger handful of EP, but at the end of the day its usually locked pop vs 2 bars for whichever side they are focused on. Also, I can tell you with utmost certainty that at least half of EP are down in the sewers. Its usually just DR and Immortali up top, combined about 30 between guilds.

Even if somehow EP and DC could combine forces and fight together, AD would still outnumber by about 2-1.

Its crossed over into ridiculous. How you can even want to be a part of that baffles me. One more EP guild, one more DC guild in prime, and the whole game changes, which is what I am banking on when I say the tide will turn, hard, soon. Its a matter of time before someone else comes over. I dunno why EP is so fixated on Trueflame, i really dont, but it would only take one more group the same size as mine.



Btw - sidenote, did you know that at 9pm Friday night (central US time), Haderus had an AD queue over 110? Neither EP nor DC even had three bars at this point.

? I have an EP toon. 2 Actually. I also have a DC sorc. I swap around and play on both TF, haderus and Azuras depending on where my guilds for those toons are. Ya wanna know a secret?

EP zergs the living F*** out of TF. You think AD zergs on haderus??? Wait till you head into TF. Its as bad as AD on haderus. Literally 10:1 odds if you arent EP. I had my DC guild try to take a red keep and they pm'ed me saying that 50+ reds showed up to defend. At the same time me and my group of 5 AD were sieging sejanus only to be met by ard 60 EP. How about instead of pinning all the blame on AD why dont u get some of those EP zerglings over to haderus??

The fact is, EVERYONE ZERGS depending on which campaign you are in. If you play on both TF and haderus you would already know this. Just head into TF on the weekends. No need to take my word for it. The faction that zergs the least as far as im aware of is DC. Even DC has some zergs every now and then but that is a matter for another discussion. Whats important is that we accept and understand that EVERYBODY zergs lol. You don't see me coming to forums and whining that my small group got rolled over by a 100 reds..... It happens far more often on TF then id like to admit but it is what it is.

Personally the reason I avoid TF on prime time is cos of the LAG. Even haderus lags but TF lag is UNBEARABLE. God knows why. But im not the only one that feels this way. Maybe its the numbers or maybe its something else. But until TF lag is fixed at least a little, there's no way im heading into there on prime time. The screen freezes/crashes and loading screens are atrocious on TF.

Regarding lag @Vangy you realize Friday night Haderus actually lagged worse than Trueflame yes? Because of the AD fricken blob of almost 100 at Arrius yes?

You claim its to escape lag... yet there the lag is...

TF is totally different campaign. Haderus has had its moments during the last days. Personally, I feel Haderus has better fights and more AP but Tf has the 24/7 action. Swapping between the both campaigns. I don´t know about the queues to enter either of these campaigns. Haven´t seen AD pop lock Hade nor TF for some time.

Dc totally lacks the numbers but I have seen EP overpopulate TF and bring zerg numbers to Hade too. I don´t tend to put too much weight in any of the claims how big the numbers were. They are certainly more or less wrong. Yet GG EP. You are in the 3rd place but that is because DC is less of a treat. There are many good players on EP and kudos to all the native EP. They have gone through a hell of cycle again.

Doncellius wrote: »

I'm on DC. It's fun 1vXing AD within the Imperial City on Haderus. They are ALL terrible. Even the guys earning multi-millions of AP per campaign cycle. Find them with only 1-2 of their buddies and it's over for them. I make around 100K AP an hour on average from these zergers, sometimes more, sometimes less.

Quantity over quality, they say. That's the AD way....

Yeap... This

PrinceFabious wrote: »

We won that fight. Would you like me to post the shadow play?

Which fight? We wiped twice on Saturday night: once to a tag of 69 DC at Ash and at the end to you guys + pugs at around 1:45 am EST after a long hard fought battle that was really enjoyable.

The question I have for you @PrinceFabious , will you include the entirety of the engagement during that hour where we fought at the mine, around it, in the hills, and everywhere. I hope you can upload the entire duration of that hour because the fights were great. The fact is we wiped you guys multiple times clean there in GvG fashion at the mine. Now, it is up to you if you wanna include the wipes and be honest, or selectively post only the one time you wiped us after 15-20 min of fighting south of BRK.

Once again, I put emphasis on the 1:00 am - 2:00 am timeframe, these are the wipes I am referring to, nothing more. The other fights at Arrius and others were you guys outnumbered as hell with pugs on AD side so it wasn't a fair fight. But the ones I am referring to were clean GvG engagements where we wiped you multiple times. This is a fact, no matter how many times you wanna deny it and I hope you stay true to your word and post the whole shadowplay. Another clarification, this is pre-BRK siege when AD didnt have sej and we went up to BRK mine to farm. Eventually, AD zerg came up so those fights are the ones I am not counting into my claims. I hope this clarifies the matter.

Rylana wrote: »

LyleiaSnow wrote: »

Dear Rylana,

I guess it would just have been blind hope to expect a «good fight, let’s do it again some time» from you after facing you GvG with even numbers. Instead, you felt the need to inflate (2x+... from 15 to 40+... okay then) the numbers of the opposing team and flat-out lie about the number of times you wiped us.

I am not one for gloating and am in no way a forum warrior as you are, but I felt the need to respond because I find the fact you need to insult an entire faction and make up fictional-super-outnumbered fights against us to make yourself look better shameful.

We wiped you, you wiped us. Just man up, stop making excuses and accept the fact you are not an almighty god and that it doesn’t necessarily take a «40+» AD ZERG to bring you and your group down.

Except both you and your guild lead are being dishonest as hell. I actually had 16. I said that already. The claim was made of 15+ pugs, of which I saw exactly 2. So even inclusive of "pugs" - which btw neither are pugs, one is even a DR member who just happened to be there solo I guess, we had at most 18.

I know when ive been in an even numbers fight. Ask Khole, ask VE. They get their props when its not an obvious zergtowin situation. Hell if it wasnt for AD having pretty much the whole map every time I log in, id be over fighting Khole, they actually match our numbers better and result in more satisfying fights.

Perhaps you have zerg goggles, see I am okay with that, because I have learned to see just how many on my side are actually there, but have you? You guys claim (from a screen shot 3 hours AFTER this fight took place) you had 15. This is absurd to even claim, like Arinar said we do have some of this fight on video, and should it be uploaded (dunno if he is or not) you will clearly see a group of about 20-25 that you were in, plus a dozen or more stacked with you. You legitimately had 35-40 people, and while you may CLAIM you had a core group of 15, that is in fact not what you actually had there, nor what we were fighting the entire time. Honestly the first time i realized your group was there, it was a stealth bomb with a full raid on us while we were already engaged with another group of 20 or so and beating them handily, only to have yet another raid (stealthed? really? with that many? really?) come out and hit us from behind.

Anywhere from 40-60 people solid for the whole night, every time we engaged AD, the whole idea of us fighting just 15 would have been a welcome difference if I am completely honest. There comes a point where its just disgusting to me that you guys in AD are actually having the audacity to claim you running less than I was. Surely you realize how utterly rubbish that claim even sounds?

Its like the old Crownzerg argument. Yeah sure, maybe one PART of the zerg contains a group of 12, 15, 18, whatever, but the whole zerg is multiples of that. The group we fought at BRK was easily 2 or 3 such size groups. Which one was yours eh?

Admit it, honestly its getting old, we have never fought an even numbers fight on Haderus. Every time DR fields, the moment we show up anywhere, the entire AD faction just stacks up and charges in to where ever we are. Sometimes 30, sometimes 60, but every time horribly outnumbering us to the point of silliness. I have even seen blobs of at least 100 at arrius before. Its fricken insane how deep AD is running. Hell, the Fare fight someone in this thread was gloating about had one of our stam guys tag 51 on the third floor steps with caltrops. 51? And they are bragging about that?

If you truly feel this makes you better players, then there is really nothing further to discuss. Like I said, the offer for an ACTUAL even numbers fight (12, 15, 18, 24, doesnt matter to me, but 24 max) still stands, but I know you wont actually accept because you cant beat us with anything less than twice our size.

The fights we are referring to are from 1-2 am EST where it was predominately my group vs your group with no pugs on either side, it was a 16v16 even fight with us at the mine and you guys trying to take it. We had multiple clean wipes on you and you didnt wipe us until you chased us for 15-30 min into the hills south of BRK where it was your group plus others, which amounted between 20-30 EP.

Like I said above, I'm not referring to any other fights because like you said, those weren't fair and there were pugs with us so it wasnt a GvG. I'm ONLY referring to 1-2am EST at BRK mine, before the AD showed up and sieged it down, where it was your 16 man group vs my 16 man group clean fighting. We wiped you guys multiple times there and @PrinceFabious shadowplay will prove that, if he decides to post the entirety of the engagements, including when you wiped.

PhatGrimReaper wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Barlthump wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Annnnd emp dethroned. I am logging out now, the other reds might cap emp, I dont know, blue has a keep on ring, but pwned is done.

Also yes, total shameless nightcap because his emp itself was nightcapped (3 days 2 hours 10 minutes ago)

Welcome back! Thanks for the AP at fare, and I thought you said VD bombs die easily.

Yeah no *** HAHAHAHHAA. Beat down his group like they were a bunch of cute little puggers. Go back to TF to your EP zerg and keep whining about how AD has no skillz lolololol!

Uh, i dont play on trueflame as EP and never have.

Additionally, uh yeah, backpatting over zergsurfing with 60 guys vs 14, gg. I wish I could be as good as you honestly. Such skill, much wow.

Id counter with the BRK mine fight vs M12 that ran almost all the way to Cheydinhal where just 16 of us constantly wrecked about 40 of them, backpedaling the whole way until they finally broke. But ya know, stack more numbers, its not a crutch or anything *eyeroll*

Edit to add: 10+ remembrance healers stacked on top of each other is such a thing to witness, it was glorious busting that.

I see that the mythical 40+ M12 thing is back.....

I haven't had more than 20 in a group in the last 2 months, the biggest of which was Saturday night when we had 18 at our peak.

Add me in game @PhatGrimReaper .... Let's GvG!!!

@PhatGrimReaper He thought we were a 40 man m12 group when we were a 16 man Arcane group. Damn Killa was in our group and I guess they thought it was you guys lol.

Soooooo may 6th is GVG?!

Non merci is ready!

GvG 8)

We weren't quite ready for primetime at that initial Haxus-hosted event, but are down to clown now. What part of the Memorial District should we do it in tho

PrinceFabious wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

We won that fight. Would you like me to post the shadow play?

Which fight? We wiped twice on Saturday night: once to a tag of 69 DC at Ash and at the end to you guys + pugs at around 1:45 am EST after a long hard fought battle that was really enjoyable.

The question I have for you @PrinceFabious , will you include the entirety of the engagement during that hour where we fought at the mine, around it, in the hills, and everywhere. I hope you can upload the entire duration of that hour because the fights were great. The fact is we wiped you guys multiple times clean there in GvG fashion at the mine. Now, it is up to you if you wanna include the wipes and be honest, or selectively post only the one time you wiped us after 15-20 min of fighting south of BRK.

Once again, I put emphasis on the 1:00 am - 2:00 am timeframe, these are the wipes I am referring to, nothing more. The other fights at Arrius and others were you guys outnumbered as hell with pugs on AD side so it wasn't a fair fight. But the ones I am referring to were clean GvG engagements where we wiped you multiple times. This is a fact, no matter how many times you wanna deny it and I hope you stay true to your word and post the whole shadowplay. Another clarification, this is pre-BRK siege when AD didnt have sej and we went up to BRK mine to farm. Eventually, AD zerg came up so those fights are the ones I am not counting into my claims. I hope this clarifies the matter.

Rylana wrote: »

LyleiaSnow wrote: »

Dear Rylana,

I guess it would just have been blind hope to expect a «good fight, let’s do it again some time» from you after facing you GvG with even numbers. Instead, you felt the need to inflate (2x+... from 15 to 40+... okay then) the numbers of the opposing team and flat-out lie about the number of times you wiped us.

I am not one for gloating and am in no way a forum warrior as you are, but I felt the need to respond because I find the fact you need to insult an entire faction and make up fictional-super-outnumbered fights against us to make yourself look better shameful.

We wiped you, you wiped us. Just man up, stop making excuses and accept the fact you are not an almighty god and that it doesn’t necessarily take a «40+» AD ZERG to bring you and your group down.

Except both you and your guild lead are being dishonest as hell. I actually had 16. I said that already. The claim was made of 15+ pugs, of which I saw exactly 2. So even inclusive of "pugs" - which btw neither are pugs, one is even a DR member who just happened to be there solo I guess, we had at most 18.

I know when ive been in an even numbers fight. Ask Khole, ask VE. They get their props when its not an obvious zergtowin situation. Hell if it wasnt for AD having pretty much the whole map every time I log in, id be over fighting Khole, they actually match our numbers better and result in more satisfying fights.

Perhaps you have zerg goggles, see I am okay with that, because I have learned to see just how many on my side are actually there, but have you? You guys claim (from a screen shot 3 hours AFTER this fight took place) you had 15. This is absurd to even claim, like Arinar said we do have some of this fight on video, and should it be uploaded (dunno if he is or not) you will clearly see a group of about 20-25 that you were in, plus a dozen or more stacked with you. You legitimately had 35-40 people, and while you may CLAIM you had a core group of 15, that is in fact not what you actually had there, nor what we were fighting the entire time. Honestly the first time i realized your group was there, it was a stealth bomb with a full raid on us while we were already engaged with another group of 20 or so and beating them handily, only to have yet another raid (stealthed? really? with that many? really?) come out and hit us from behind.

Anywhere from 40-60 people solid for the whole night, every time we engaged AD, the whole idea of us fighting just 15 would have been a welcome difference if I am completely honest. There comes a point where its just disgusting to me that you guys in AD are actually having the audacity to claim you running less than I was. Surely you realize how utterly rubbish that claim even sounds?

Its like the old Crownzerg argument. Yeah sure, maybe one PART of the zerg contains a group of 12, 15, 18, whatever, but the whole zerg is multiples of that. The group we fought at BRK was easily 2 or 3 such size groups. Which one was yours eh?

Admit it, honestly its getting old, we have never fought an even numbers fight on Haderus. Every time DR fields, the moment we show up anywhere, the entire AD faction just stacks up and charges in to where ever we are. Sometimes 30, sometimes 60, but every time horribly outnumbering us to the point of silliness. I have even seen blobs of at least 100 at arrius before. Its fricken insane how deep AD is running. Hell, the Fare fight someone in this thread was gloating about had one of our stam guys tag 51 on the third floor steps with caltrops. 51? And they are bragging about that?

If you truly feel this makes you better players, then there is really nothing further to discuss. Like I said, the offer for an ACTUAL even numbers fight (12, 15, 18, 24, doesnt matter to me, but 24 max) still stands, but I know you wont actually accept because you cant beat us with anything less than twice our size.

The fights we are referring to are from 1-2 am EST where it was predominately my group vs your group with no pugs on either side, it was a 16v16 even fight with us at the mine and you guys trying to take it. We had multiple clean wipes on you and you didnt wipe us until you chased us for 15-30 min into the hills south of BRK where it was your group plus others, which amounted between 20-30 EP.

Like I said above, I'm not referring to any other fights because like you said, those weren't fair and there were pugs with us so it wasnt a GvG. I'm ONLY referring to 1-2am EST at BRK mine, before the AD showed up and sieged it down, where it was your 16 man group vs my 16 man group clean fighting. We wiped you guys multiple times there and @PrinceFabious shadowplay will prove that, if he decides to post the entirety of the engagements, including when you wiped.

How about the multiple times you guys wipe, one guys sets up a camp ,and the whole zurg rezzes. That doesnt count as a wipe? Lol if we are playing by that rule then I guess we never wiped Il post the shadowplay soon then. Its the fight where we pushed you guys from the mine, east of BRK, across the bridge(yall wiped and set up at camp at this point in th vid), and on top the hill where we delivered the final blow

Did you read anything I wrote? I said we wiped, lol. If you count the camp, that's two wipes in total during 15-20 mins south of the mine, 3 in total for the night. We dropped one camp during the fight, nothing more.

Are you also going to post the fights previous to that? Where we wiped you guys multiple times at the mine flag, at the hills to the east of it, at the rocks to the west? Please do so we get a holistic view of the night, not just a cherry picking. Like I said, the fights were fun for us and I hope they were for you. If you are going to post the wipe, you might as well post the entire 30 minutes prior to that fight where you guys died and rezzed at BRK multiple times while fighting us at the mine.

heystreethawk wrote: »

GvG 8)

We weren't quite ready for primetime at that initial Haxus-hosted event, but are down to clown now. What part of the Memorial District should we do it in tho

Now it's getting interesting!

Here's my tinfoil hat theory on the whole thread.

ZoS doesn't care about PvP. They will not fix the lag, let alone population caps, let alone AE caps. Currently EP OWNS TF. AD OWNS Haderus. DC has nothing left but Azuras with NO CP's. So, many I'm sure have just up and quit. The DC left on TF can get pop locked, but there isn't enough structured PvP guilds there to stop EP. Sure they could get MORE on the server, but that just means more lag. AD has had a deathgrip on Haderus for like the last 3 weeks. Scrolls aren't even changing hands. Veteran players are leaving the game, others are just happy to zerg around in the lag of TF.

It's my sole opinion that ZoS has no clue what to do about any of it, and they are just letting it fester until we all just quit out of fustration or something else comes along (*cough* ...CU) and PvP is gone forever in ESO. Don't be fooled by them saying they are working on the lag. Don't be fooled by them saying they are working on some kind of battleground/arena type thing. Don't be fooled by them saying they'll improve IC. None of it is going to happen in any way shape or form that will satisfy the majority of PvP players enough to stay. Again, this is just my opinion. /tinfoil hat off...