Calling All DC and EP to Kick AD from Haderus

forzajuve212

Cormore wrote: »

Soooooo may 6th is GVG?!

Non merci is ready!

Let's shoot for 9pm EST on Saturday, May 7th?

Ghostbane

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Cormore wrote: »

Soooooo may 6th is GVG?!

Non merci is ready!

Let's shoot for 9pm EST on Saturday, May 7th?

That's 2am. You will all pay.

forzajuve212

Ghostbane wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Cormore wrote: »

Soooooo may 6th is GVG?!

Non merci is ready!

Let's shoot for 9pm EST on Saturday, May 7th?

That's 2am. You will all pay.

XD

Cormore

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Cormore wrote: »

Soooooo may 6th is GVG?!

Non merci is ready!

Let's shoot for 9pm EST on Saturday, May 7th?

Im down! Should be good fun 12v12's or 8v8's?

forzajuve212

Cormore wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Cormore wrote: »

Soooooo may 6th is GVG?!

Non merci is ready!

Let's shoot for 9pm EST on Saturday, May 7th?

Im down! Should be good fun 12v12's or 8v8's?

12 v 12 sounds good to me, maybe mix it up and do 16v16 and 8v8 as well

heystreethawk

I have checked with the parks & rec department of the Memorial District and they have agreed to move the roaming boss into the water for the evening of May 7th, but they say there's not much they can do about the trash mobs. I have also cleared my own schedule for that evening and am sending a telegram to alert me guild

PrinceFabious

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

mrvbalc wrote: »

Summary of this whole post:

Some random EP player: AD zerging in haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random DC player: ITs true AD have more heads in Haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random AD player: We do not zerg, we retaliate for EP zerging
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random EP player: Ok then we will bring reinforcement from TF
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random DC player player: No, all thoise AD ap is ours
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random ADplayer player: Bring your friends, we need mroe to fight
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills

You see where I am going right


PS: It is true AD has more players in haderus. cause EP zerging in TF, If half of TF EP moves to haderus and half of haderus AD moves TF we can have our balance.

AD has no skills.

Apparently we have enough to wipe you guys about 10 times last night with ease

Rylana wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Barlthump wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Annnnd emp dethroned. I am logging out now, the other reds might cap emp, I dont know, blue has a keep on ring, but pwned is done.

Also yes, total shameless nightcap because his emp itself was nightcapped (3 days 2 hours 10 minutes ago)

Welcome back! Thanks for the AP at fare, and I thought you said VD bombs die easily.

Yeah no *** HAHAHAHHAA. Beat down his group like they were a bunch of cute little puggers. Go back to TF to your EP zerg and keep whining about how AD has no skillz lolololol!

Uh, i dont play on trueflame as EP and never have.

Additionally, uh yeah, backpatting over zergsurfing with 60 guys vs 14, gg. I wish I could be as good as you honestly. Such skill, much wow.

Id counter with the BRK mine fight vs M12 that ran almost all the way to Cheydinhal where just 16 of us constantly wrecked about 40 of them, backpedaling the whole way until they finally broke. But ya know, stack more numbers, its not a crutch or anything *eyeroll*

Edit to add: 10+ remembrance healers stacked on top of each other is such a thing to witness, it was glorious busting that.

lmao I cant, I didn't wanna post in the thread to be the better man but I guess I have to respond.

We wiped you all night long and even farmed you with 16 of us. We had multiple guild v guilds and each and every time we wiped you with ease at the mine without pugs on both sides. You only managed to wiped us after chasing us for 30 min with 15 pugs on your side,,,,,,,,,,,,

You're just pathetic at this point bro, you're talking out of your ass now

lol @ 16. I cant recall a single moment of the entire night where 16 AD were ever out by themselves. Not once did I ever see something that wasnt a double stack 40+, and they were stealth bombing a smaller group with that. lololol.

We can formally gvg if you like, 12 v 12? 16v16? 24v24? Set a place? just our guilds? No pugs? Or would you back down from that challenge I wonder...

Lol you're delusional bro, I've legitimately never seen a group talk so much smack and get steamrolled all over the map. Maybe you should take a hike back to Azuras and farm some pugs again?

What happened to your prophetic vision of AD getting farmed and gate camped? XD

Video please!

None of our guys were recording. I can see if anyone had shadowplay up, I can ask tonight.

Arinar will hopefully post a video with the time they wiped us as well as the multiple times we bombed them and wiped them at the mine flag and around the area in GvG type scenario with little to no pug involvement.

Did you just say no pug involvement at the mine at BRK? Cool, this is where I stop posting in this thread. BRK was the EP pug capital and for some reason you think that killing them was my group and raised your epeen on this thread. LOL. We came in and pushed you out and wiped you guys up on the hill. After that comment, I just imagined a super tinfoil hat on your head Ok, enough of this thread.

forzajuve212

PrinceFabious wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

mrvbalc wrote: »

Summary of this whole post:

Some random EP player: AD zerging in haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random DC player: ITs true AD have more heads in Haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random AD player: We do not zerg, we retaliate for EP zerging
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random EP player: Ok then we will bring reinforcement from TF
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random DC player player: No, all thoise AD ap is ours
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random ADplayer player: Bring your friends, we need mroe to fight
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills

You see where I am going right


PS: It is true AD has more players in haderus. cause EP zerging in TF, If half of TF EP moves to haderus and half of haderus AD moves TF we can have our balance.

AD has no skills.

Apparently we have enough to wipe you guys about 10 times last night with ease

Rylana wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Barlthump wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Annnnd emp dethroned. I am logging out now, the other reds might cap emp, I dont know, blue has a keep on ring, but pwned is done.

Also yes, total shameless nightcap because his emp itself was nightcapped (3 days 2 hours 10 minutes ago)

Welcome back! Thanks for the AP at fare, and I thought you said VD bombs die easily.

Yeah no *** HAHAHAHHAA. Beat down his group like they were a bunch of cute little puggers. Go back to TF to your EP zerg and keep whining about how AD has no skillz lolololol!

Uh, i dont play on trueflame as EP and never have.

Additionally, uh yeah, backpatting over zergsurfing with 60 guys vs 14, gg. I wish I could be as good as you honestly. Such skill, much wow.

Id counter with the BRK mine fight vs M12 that ran almost all the way to Cheydinhal where just 16 of us constantly wrecked about 40 of them, backpedaling the whole way until they finally broke. But ya know, stack more numbers, its not a crutch or anything *eyeroll*

Edit to add: 10+ remembrance healers stacked on top of each other is such a thing to witness, it was glorious busting that.

lmao I cant, I didn't wanna post in the thread to be the better man but I guess I have to respond.

We wiped you all night long and even farmed you with 16 of us. We had multiple guild v guilds and each and every time we wiped you with ease at the mine without pugs on both sides. You only managed to wiped us after chasing us for 30 min with 15 pugs on your side,,,,,,,,,,,,

You're just pathetic at this point bro, you're talking out of your ass now

lol @ 16. I cant recall a single moment of the entire night where 16 AD were ever out by themselves. Not once did I ever see something that wasnt a double stack 40+, and they were stealth bombing a smaller group with that. lololol.

We can formally gvg if you like, 12 v 12? 16v16? 24v24? Set a place? just our guilds? No pugs? Or would you back down from that challenge I wonder...

Lol you're delusional bro, I've legitimately never seen a group talk so much smack and get steamrolled all over the map. Maybe you should take a hike back to Azuras and farm some pugs again?

What happened to your prophetic vision of AD getting farmed and gate camped? XD

Video please!

None of our guys were recording. I can see if anyone had shadowplay up, I can ask tonight.

Arinar will hopefully post a video with the time they wiped us as well as the multiple times we bombed them and wiped them at the mine flag and around the area in GvG type scenario with little to no pug involvement.

Did you just say no pug involvement at the mine at BRK? Cool, this is where I stop posting in this thread. BRK was the EP pug capital and for some reason you think that killing them was my group and raised your epeen on this thread. LOL. We came in and pushed you out and wiped you guys up on the hill. After that comment, I just imagined a super tinfoil hat on your head Ok, enough of this thread.

We fought your group multiple times, not just pugs. Yes we wiped EP pugs but we also bombed your raid multiple times on multiple occasions and eventually you pushed us with 15-20 pugs into the hills. We had one bomb on the flag, one on the broken walls west of the flag, one on the top of the rocks to the east with a palisade and one all the way to the West on the rocks going towards Sej. Check your shadowplay, it will confirm this.Yes, this was your raid beause you were stacked with proxies and we bombed dead center on Rylana and you, your toon names were there.

You're done with this thread? The hypocrisy and straight out lies coming from Rylana is utterly ridiculous. I gave you a screenshot and exact time frames of how everything went down and you can easily confirm that if you look at your shadowplay that apparently incriminates us.

If you look on the forums, you don't see any other guilds trash talking and posting demeaning comments or attacks on guilds or players or alliances. Everyone else here has mutual respect for each other and enjoy competing with each other. I must say, you and Rylana have really given DR a horrible name on these forums. People can read these forums and they will see clearly how condescending, rude, and disrespectful you guys have been to everyone else. Worse of all, you can't back it up.

Cya at the GvG, may the best team win.

RinaldoGandolphi

Ok so what we have taken from this thread:

1. AD has too many on Haderus
2. EP has too many on Trueflame

We can all agree on #1 and #2 right?

Why not 1 AD guild from Had move to TF and one EP guild from TF move to Had?

Would this not be an equitable solution for all parties? Both sides get what they want which is 2 somewhat balanced campaigns?

This bickering over 1v1 me bro, or GvG me will get us no where, but hammering out a deal that will put enough AD and EP on each server so PVP is somewhat balanced will be beneficial for everyone will it not?

Jauriel was told by a certain EP GM that they double us on TF because there are less DC and were easier to farm because we are so outnumbered.

AD uses the same philosophy on Haderus...myself and 5 pugs breech Ash only for 30+ AD to be inside waiting...is this relaly what PVP has come too?

Do we really want to create a situation where DC(the least populous faction) flatout quits turning a 3 faction war into 2 which will quickly become 1? because trust me, it will happen.

I know we can't fix the lag and the bugs in the game ZOS has left us with, but what we can do is sit down as gentlemen and try to hammer out a agreement that is equitable to the health of the game. DC probably will never have equal numbers, but 6-1 odds is a bit much..i'd be happy with 3-1 odds at this point....

I believe there are good people on all 3 factions, and deep down they do care about the health of the game.

As someone who has been here since the betas and the start, im going to leave the health of the game in your hands. It will be up to the AD on Haderus and the EP on Trueflame to do the right thing in order for PVP survive...you all have a choice now...one choice will lead to things going on longer, the other will lead to things going on for a short time and then fizzling out.

The choice is clear...will you set aside your pride and do whats best for the game or will that pride not allow you to do that? thats the big question....weigh these options in your heart, and then make your decision...just know the decision made whichever one it is will decide the fate of ESO and its PVP future, whats left of it anyways....The ball is in your court ladies and gentlemen....do what you will...

forzajuve212

And more thing to mention, none of here have this ego epeen issues that you guys are facing. I openly said my guys aren't the best and that we win some and we lose some, it's pvp and things happen. What matters is how you improve vs competition and what can you learn from losing to better groups. Never once have I hate whispered your group, k-hole, haxus, etc because I have some decent and know that doing that is immature and rude.

That's why I welcome the GvG. Even if we lose to you or anyone else, it's something we can learn from, grow and improve on, and hopefully turn that into a victory next time around. I can't tell you how many times I've grown as a leader just by fighting Haxus and K-hole and learning how they bomb, how to counter, which players to focus, trying different strats, etc. Competition is good, and no matter the outcome of the GvG I will be proud of my guys and the work we put in.

forzajuve212

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Ok so what we have taken from this thread:

1. AD has too many on Haderus
2. EP has too many on Trueflame

We can all agree on #1 and #2 right?

Why not 1 AD guild from Had move to TF and one EP guild from TF move to Had?

Would this not be an equitable solution for all parties? Both sides get what they want which is 2 somewhat balanced campaigns?

This bickering over 1v1 me bro, or GvG me will get us no where, but hammering out a deal that will put enough AD and EP on each server so PVP is somewhat balanced will be beneficial for everyone will it not?

Jauriel was told by a certain EP GM that they double us on TF because there are less DC and were easier to farm because we are so outnumbered.

AD uses the same philosophy on Haderus...myself and 5 pugs breech Ash only for 30+ AD to be inside waiting...is this relaly what PVP has come too?

Do we really want to create a situation where DC(the least populous faction) flatout quits turning a 3 faction war into 2 which will quickly become 1? because trust me, it will happen.

I know we can't fix the lag and the bugs in the game ZOS has left us with, but what we can do is sit down as gentlemen and try to hammer out a agreement that is equitable to the health of the game. DC probably will never have equal numbers, but 6-1 odds is a bit much..i'd be happy with 3-1 odds at this point....

I believe there are good people on all 3 factions, and deep down they do care about the health of the game.

As someone who has been here since the betas and the start, im going to leave the health of the game in your hands. It will be up to the AD on Haderus and the EP on Trueflame to do the right thing in order for PVP survive...you all have a choice now...one choice will lead to things going on longer, the other will lead to things going on for a short time and then fizzling out.

The choice is clear...will you set aside your pride and do whats best for the game or will that pride not allow you to do that? thats the big question....weigh these options in your heart, and then make your decision...just know the decision made whichever one it is will decide the fate of ESO and its PVP future, whats left of it anyways....The ball is in your court ladies and gentlemen....do what you will...

Agreed 100%. TF is tough to home due to crazy lag spikes that are way higher in general vs Haderus which is tough to get my guys to move. Both us and Fantasia have moved to TF on different nights to get action when Haderus was dead. This weekend, we moved to TF on friday and had some nice fights with VE and Pact Militia. Hopefully, more DC and EP move haderus because the lag is generally lower, even when both camps have same numbers.

Rylana

antihero727 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

My question was somewhat rhetorical. ZOS probably shouldn't/won't do anything. Population imbalance is an issue that needs to be solved among the community.
Some random thoughts:
I do not know if I would be in favor of this, but perhaps making AP account wide would encourage people to play alts in underdog factions. Right now there is no incentive to play an alt other than trying to make the map less dominated. I'll add that most pugs do not care about having what people call "good pvp." They want to win, and they want AP. Also, many people do not care for raising/playing alts at all.
There needs to be an instant-gratification reward to convince all of the pugs to switch sides temporarily. I admit that 7-30 day campaigns should probably not feature any instant gratification rewards, but that is the only way I can think to sway the masses. It has to be substantial, as well, since we will be attempting to convince people to not only make/play an alt, but commit to actually making the campaign more balanced.

I personally am an alliance loyalists. Some might find that stupid but I don't. I would rather quit the game than make a DC or EP toon.

Ive played cross faction in every game I have ever played, different strokes I suppose. The opportunity for uphill fighting exists there. The problem is joining a faction at launch (in my case AD), that was so grossly overpopulated there were virtually no fights to be had on six campaigns, only a few (wabba, dawnbreaker, and a couple others) were even contested at all.

The natural progression to switch sides was bred out of the lack of not shooting fish in a barrel with five times the numbers. Until youve taken six-twelve people to a buff server and farmed that entire faction for hundreds of thousands of AP in a session, and realized just how weak most zergers really are, you really havent experienced the game IMO.

Lol, you have no idea who you are talking to. I just started in the forums but have been here since pre launch. Do you think typing more words makes your "tall tales" look anymore believeable? You don't remember the EP buff servers, selective memory I guess? Watch who you insult as a well known EP streamer spent 2 days in malestrom licking his wounds and does not stream anymore from running his mouth to much. I can't wait for Wednesday to farm your group.

*snicker*

No, seriously, that whole threat just made me laugh.

LyleiaSnow

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Agreed 100%. TF is tough to home due to crazy lag spikes that are way higher in general vs Haderus which is tough to get my guys to move. Both us and Fantasia have moved to TF on different nights to get action when Haderus was dead. This weekend, we moved to TF on friday and had some nice fights with VE and Pact Militia. Hopefully, more DC and EP move haderus because the lag is generally lower, even when both camps have same numbers.

This... The only reason we are still homing Haderus is because the lag is much less intense than on TF. Had might spike to TF-type-lag at some points, but even then, it's a lot less often or consistent. It sucks to log on in to Cyrodiil and have no objectives to go after or have no one to fight because the map is completely yellow. If the situation was the same (AD ridiculously outnumbering DC and EP on Had) and the lag wasn't unbearable in Trueflame, we'd switch over in a heartbeat. PVP is nothing without good fights.

Unfortunately, we know the lag is an issue that probably won't get resolved any time soon...... I'd be hopeful about PVP if I thought ZOS would see this thread (despite the bickering) and give a crap, but... lol...

This issue isn't the fault of any players, be it AD, DC or EP, pugs or not pugs, it's just a symptom of a broken game and a company that is unwilling to work as hard as they should to fix the core issue of PVP, the lag.

God_flakes

LyleiaSnow wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Agreed 100%. TF is tough to home due to crazy lag spikes that are way higher in general vs Haderus which is tough to get my guys to move. Both us and Fantasia have moved to TF on different nights to get action when Haderus was dead. This weekend, we moved to TF on friday and had some nice fights with VE and Pact Militia. Hopefully, more DC and EP move haderus because the lag is generally lower, even when both camps have same numbers.

This... The only reason we are still homing Haderus is because the lag is much less intense than on TF. Had might spike to TF-type-lag at some points, but even then, it's a lot less often or consistent. It sucks to log on in to Cyrodiil and have no objectives to go after or have no one to fight because the map is completely yellow. If the situation was the same (AD ridiculously outnumbering DC and EP on Had) and the lag wasn't unbearable in Trueflame, we'd switch over in a heartbeat. PVP is nothing without good fights.

Unfortunately, we know the lag is an issue that probably won't get resolved any time soon...... I'd be hopeful about PVP if I thought ZOS would see this thread (despite the bickering) and give a crap, but... lol...

This issue isn't the fault of any players, be it AD, DC or EP, pugs or not pugs, it's just a symptom of a broken game and a company that is unwilling to work as hard as they should to fix the core issue of PVP, the lag.

But guilds and players still have CHOICES. You don't have to sit on Haderus and send 50 ad to kill 10 DC who are trying to get Rayles or Warden back.

forzajuve212

God_flakes wrote: »

LyleiaSnow wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Agreed 100%. TF is tough to home due to crazy lag spikes that are way higher in general vs Haderus which is tough to get my guys to move. Both us and Fantasia have moved to TF on different nights to get action when Haderus was dead. This weekend, we moved to TF on friday and had some nice fights with VE and Pact Militia. Hopefully, more DC and EP move haderus because the lag is generally lower, even when both camps have same numbers.

This... The only reason we are still homing Haderus is because the lag is much less intense than on TF. Had might spike to TF-type-lag at some points, but even then, it's a lot less often or consistent. It sucks to log on in to Cyrodiil and have no objectives to go after or have no one to fight because the map is completely yellow. If the situation was the same (AD ridiculously outnumbering DC and EP on Had) and the lag wasn't unbearable in Trueflame, we'd switch over in a heartbeat. PVP is nothing without good fights.

Unfortunately, we know the lag is an issue that probably won't get resolved any time soon...... I'd be hopeful about PVP if I thought ZOS would see this thread (despite the bickering) and give a crap, but... lol...

This issue isn't the fault of any players, be it AD, DC or EP, pugs or not pugs, it's just a symptom of a broken game and a company that is unwilling to work as hard as they should to fix the core issue of PVP, the lag.

But guilds and players still have CHOICES. You don't have to sit on Haderus and send 50 ad to kill who DC who are trying to get Rayles or Warden back.

That's the point where we have already either 1) called our group or 2) gone to TF on multiple occasions. I've even tried to call off the pugs and tell them to leave the 2 scroll keeps to the other alliances. The problem is, there are too many pugs that don't read the forums and could care less about faction dominance or server balance.

antihero727

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

My question was somewhat rhetorical. ZOS probably shouldn't/won't do anything. Population imbalance is an issue that needs to be solved among the community.
Some random thoughts:
I do not know if I would be in favor of this, but perhaps making AP account wide would encourage people to play alts in underdog factions. Right now there is no incentive to play an alt other than trying to make the map less dominated. I'll add that most pugs do not care about having what people call "good pvp." They want to win, and they want AP. Also, many people do not care for raising/playing alts at all.
There needs to be an instant-gratification reward to convince all of the pugs to switch sides temporarily. I admit that 7-30 day campaigns should probably not feature any instant gratification rewards, but that is the only way I can think to sway the masses. It has to be substantial, as well, since we will be attempting to convince people to not only make/play an alt, but commit to actually making the campaign more balanced.

I personally am an alliance loyalists. Some might find that stupid but I don't. I would rather quit the game than make a DC or EP toon.

Ive played cross faction in every game I have ever played, different strokes I suppose. The opportunity for uphill fighting exists there. The problem is joining a faction at launch (in my case AD), that was so grossly overpopulated there were virtually no fights to be had on six campaigns, only a few (wabba, dawnbreaker, and a couple others) were even contested at all.

The natural progression to switch sides was bred out of the lack of not shooting fish in a barrel with five times the numbers. Until youve taken six-twelve people to a buff server and farmed that entire faction for hundreds of thousands of AP in a session, and realized just how weak most zergers really are, you really havent experienced the game IMO.

Lol, you have no idea who you are talking to. I just started in the forums but have been here since pre launch. Do you think typing more words makes your "tall tales" look anymore believeable? You don't remember the EP buff servers, selective memory I guess? Watch who you insult as a well known EP streamer spent 2 days in malestrom licking his wounds and does not stream anymore from running his mouth to much. I can't wait for Wednesday to farm your group.

*snicker*

No, seriously, that whole threat just made me laugh.

Don't worry I will be laughing on top of your dead EP toon soon enough. This vacation was just what I needed. Refreshed and ready to kill EP trash zergs till CU comes out.

Rylana

forzajuve212 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

LyleiaSnow wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Agreed 100%. TF is tough to home due to crazy lag spikes that are way higher in general vs Haderus which is tough to get my guys to move. Both us and Fantasia have moved to TF on different nights to get action when Haderus was dead. This weekend, we moved to TF on friday and had some nice fights with VE and Pact Militia. Hopefully, more DC and EP move haderus because the lag is generally lower, even when both camps have same numbers.

This... The only reason we are still homing Haderus is because the lag is much less intense than on TF. Had might spike to TF-type-lag at some points, but even then, it's a lot less often or consistent. It sucks to log on in to Cyrodiil and have no objectives to go after or have no one to fight because the map is completely yellow. If the situation was the same (AD ridiculously outnumbering DC and EP on Had) and the lag wasn't unbearable in Trueflame, we'd switch over in a heartbeat. PVP is nothing without good fights.

Unfortunately, we know the lag is an issue that probably won't get resolved any time soon...... I'd be hopeful about PVP if I thought ZOS would see this thread (despite the bickering) and give a crap, but... lol...

This issue isn't the fault of any players, be it AD, DC or EP, pugs or not pugs, it's just a symptom of a broken game and a company that is unwilling to work as hard as they should to fix the core issue of PVP, the lag.

But guilds and players still have CHOICES. You don't have to sit on Haderus and send 50 ad to kill who DC who are trying to get Rayles or Warden back.

That's the point where we have already either 1) called our group or 2) gone to TF on multiple occasions. I've even tried to call off the pugs and tell them to leave the 3 scroll keeps to the other alliances. The problem is, there are too many pugs that don't read the forums and could care less about faction dominance or server balance.

So stop responding to the first ring pushes you see, the pugs will demoralize and quit because they are no longer outnumbering 3-1 and Had returns to being smaller scale with less lag.

You act like youre above all this, but when youre at BRK or Chalman or Arrius stacking right there with the so called "pugs" you are just as much an issue as they are. The campaign was balanced pop=wise three weeks ago before any of you started coming over here.

The onus is on you to realize what has changed and correct it. (such as when we went to azuras for a few weeks because EP had a few too many who then went back to TF, opening the door for us to come back) Coincidentally, the moment those EP went back to TF, all of these AD came over here.

forzajuve212

Rylana wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

LyleiaSnow wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Agreed 100%. TF is tough to home due to crazy lag spikes that are way higher in general vs Haderus which is tough to get my guys to move. Both us and Fantasia have moved to TF on different nights to get action when Haderus was dead. This weekend, we moved to TF on friday and had some nice fights with VE and Pact Militia. Hopefully, more DC and EP move haderus because the lag is generally lower, even when both camps have same numbers.

This... The only reason we are still homing Haderus is because the lag is much less intense than on TF. Had might spike to TF-type-lag at some points, but even then, it's a lot less often or consistent. It sucks to log on in to Cyrodiil and have no objectives to go after or have no one to fight because the map is completely yellow. If the situation was the same (AD ridiculously outnumbering DC and EP on Had) and the lag wasn't unbearable in Trueflame, we'd switch over in a heartbeat. PVP is nothing without good fights.

Unfortunately, we know the lag is an issue that probably won't get resolved any time soon...... I'd be hopeful about PVP if I thought ZOS would see this thread (despite the bickering) and give a crap, but... lol...

This issue isn't the fault of any players, be it AD, DC or EP, pugs or not pugs, it's just a symptom of a broken game and a company that is unwilling to work as hard as they should to fix the core issue of PVP, the lag.

But guilds and players still have CHOICES. You don't have to sit on Haderus and send 50 ad to kill who DC who are trying to get Rayles or Warden back.

That's the point where we have already either 1) called our group or 2) gone to TF on multiple occasions. I've even tried to call off the pugs and tell them to leave the 3 scroll keeps to the other alliances. The problem is, there are too many pugs that don't read the forums and could care less about faction dominance or server balance.

So stop responding to the first ring pushes you see, the pugs will demoralize and quit because they are no longer outnumbering 3-1 and Had returns to being smaller scale with less lag.

You act like youre above all this, but when youre at BRK or Chalman or Arrius stacking right there with the so called "pugs" you are just as much an issue as they are. The campaign was balanced pop=wise three weeks ago before any of you started coming over here.

The onus is on you to realize what has changed and correct it.

We've been on Haderus since December and have fought on it while DC and EP were stacking raids and had pug advantage. Don't try and play the blame game now with incorrect information.

LyleiaSnow

God_flakes wrote: »

But guilds and players still have CHOICES. You don't have to sit on Haderus and send 50 ad to kill 10 DC who are trying to get Rayles or Warden back.

You're right. But it's hard to want to switch campaigns when you know what you are walking in to... 900 ping, taking 4 seconds after tapping "H" to actually mount, skills taking a year to actually register, rubber-banding to hell, etc. We do switch when Haderus is completely dead and we aren't ones to gate camp the other faction, but it's just painful to play in Trueflame. And you can't blame players for wanting an enjoyable lag-free-ish experience...

Also, we aren't the ones sending 50 AD to kill a small group. We do not control our entire faction, we do not control the pugs, we control our own group and that's all.

God_flakes

That's when you call them out in zone by name and shame them. Anything to get their attention.

I'm curious though, who are the actual DC on Haderus trying to change the dynamic there. Can we have a roll call?

Rylana

antihero727 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

My question was somewhat rhetorical. ZOS probably shouldn't/won't do anything. Population imbalance is an issue that needs to be solved among the community.
Some random thoughts:
I do not know if I would be in favor of this, but perhaps making AP account wide would encourage people to play alts in underdog factions. Right now there is no incentive to play an alt other than trying to make the map less dominated. I'll add that most pugs do not care about having what people call "good pvp." They want to win, and they want AP. Also, many people do not care for raising/playing alts at all.
There needs to be an instant-gratification reward to convince all of the pugs to switch sides temporarily. I admit that 7-30 day campaigns should probably not feature any instant gratification rewards, but that is the only way I can think to sway the masses. It has to be substantial, as well, since we will be attempting to convince people to not only make/play an alt, but commit to actually making the campaign more balanced.

I personally am an alliance loyalists. Some might find that stupid but I don't. I would rather quit the game than make a DC or EP toon.

Ive played cross faction in every game I have ever played, different strokes I suppose. The opportunity for uphill fighting exists there. The problem is joining a faction at launch (in my case AD), that was so grossly overpopulated there were virtually no fights to be had on six campaigns, only a few (wabba, dawnbreaker, and a couple others) were even contested at all.

The natural progression to switch sides was bred out of the lack of not shooting fish in a barrel with five times the numbers. Until youve taken six-twelve people to a buff server and farmed that entire faction for hundreds of thousands of AP in a session, and realized just how weak most zergers really are, you really havent experienced the game IMO.

Lol, you have no idea who you are talking to. I just started in the forums but have been here since pre launch. Do you think typing more words makes your "tall tales" look anymore believeable? You don't remember the EP buff servers, selective memory I guess? Watch who you insult as a well known EP streamer spent 2 days in malestrom licking his wounds and does not stream anymore from running his mouth to much. I can't wait for Wednesday to farm your group.

*snicker*

No, seriously, that whole threat just made me laugh.

Don't worry I will be laughing on top of your dead EP toon soon enough. This vacation was just what I needed. Refreshed and ready to kill EP trash zergs till CU comes out.

Youre the guy that invoked the TKO guild name against me, you literally lost any credibility the moment you did so. Go back to your zerg.

forzajuve212

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

My question was somewhat rhetorical. ZOS probably shouldn't/won't do anything. Population imbalance is an issue that needs to be solved among the community.
Some random thoughts:
I do not know if I would be in favor of this, but perhaps making AP account wide would encourage people to play alts in underdog factions. Right now there is no incentive to play an alt other than trying to make the map less dominated. I'll add that most pugs do not care about having what people call "good pvp." They want to win, and they want AP. Also, many people do not care for raising/playing alts at all.
There needs to be an instant-gratification reward to convince all of the pugs to switch sides temporarily. I admit that 7-30 day campaigns should probably not feature any instant gratification rewards, but that is the only way I can think to sway the masses. It has to be substantial, as well, since we will be attempting to convince people to not only make/play an alt, but commit to actually making the campaign more balanced.

I personally am an alliance loyalists. Some might find that stupid but I don't. I would rather quit the game than make a DC or EP toon.

Ive played cross faction in every game I have ever played, different strokes I suppose. The opportunity for uphill fighting exists there. The problem is joining a faction at launch (in my case AD), that was so grossly overpopulated there were virtually no fights to be had on six campaigns, only a few (wabba, dawnbreaker, and a couple others) were even contested at all.

The natural progression to switch sides was bred out of the lack of not shooting fish in a barrel with five times the numbers. Until youve taken six-twelve people to a buff server and farmed that entire faction for hundreds of thousands of AP in a session, and realized just how weak most zergers really are, you really havent experienced the game IMO.

Lol, you have no idea who you are talking to. I just started in the forums but have been here since pre launch. Do you think typing more words makes your "tall tales" look anymore believeable? You don't remember the EP buff servers, selective memory I guess? Watch who you insult as a well known EP streamer spent 2 days in malestrom licking his wounds and does not stream anymore from running his mouth to much. I can't wait for Wednesday to farm your group.

*snicker*

No, seriously, that whole threat just made me laugh.

Don't worry I will be laughing on top of your dead EP toon soon enough. This vacation was just what I needed. Refreshed and ready to kill EP trash zergs till CU comes out.

Youre the guy that invoked the TKO guild name against me, you literally lost any credibility the moment you did so. Go back to your zerg.

Quote please? When the hell did I invoke TKO? Did you actually read anything I wrote?

I claim responsibility for everything I have written. My posts are representative of my guild and my own opinions. Anyone else saying TKO stuff doesn't represent me or my guild. Read the forum thread over and then you'll see not once did I say anything about TKO to you.

Rylana

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

LyleiaSnow wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Agreed 100%. TF is tough to home due to crazy lag spikes that are way higher in general vs Haderus which is tough to get my guys to move. Both us and Fantasia have moved to TF on different nights to get action when Haderus was dead. This weekend, we moved to TF on friday and had some nice fights with VE and Pact Militia. Hopefully, more DC and EP move haderus because the lag is generally lower, even when both camps have same numbers.

This... The only reason we are still homing Haderus is because the lag is much less intense than on TF. Had might spike to TF-type-lag at some points, but even then, it's a lot less often or consistent. It sucks to log on in to Cyrodiil and have no objectives to go after or have no one to fight because the map is completely yellow. If the situation was the same (AD ridiculously outnumbering DC and EP on Had) and the lag wasn't unbearable in Trueflame, we'd switch over in a heartbeat. PVP is nothing without good fights.

Unfortunately, we know the lag is an issue that probably won't get resolved any time soon...... I'd be hopeful about PVP if I thought ZOS would see this thread (despite the bickering) and give a crap, but... lol...

This issue isn't the fault of any players, be it AD, DC or EP, pugs or not pugs, it's just a symptom of a broken game and a company that is unwilling to work as hard as they should to fix the core issue of PVP, the lag.

But guilds and players still have CHOICES. You don't have to sit on Haderus and send 50 ad to kill who DC who are trying to get Rayles or Warden back.

That's the point where we have already either 1) called our group or 2) gone to TF on multiple occasions. I've even tried to call off the pugs and tell them to leave the 3 scroll keeps to the other alliances. The problem is, there are too many pugs that don't read the forums and could care less about faction dominance or server balance.

So stop responding to the first ring pushes you see, the pugs will demoralize and quit because they are no longer outnumbering 3-1 and Had returns to being smaller scale with less lag.

You act like youre above all this, but when youre at BRK or Chalman or Arrius stacking right there with the so called "pugs" you are just as much an issue as they are. The campaign was balanced pop=wise three weeks ago before any of you started coming over here.

The onus is on you to realize what has changed and correct it.

We've been on Haderus since December and have fought on it while DC and EP were stacking raids and had pug advantage. Don't try and play the blame game now with incorrect information.

I have been on Had since August 2014, and i gotta tell you, only in the last week or so have I even learned you existed. Even some of the other long-term had people had to ask what Arcane was.

So since December? Not saying youre being dishonest here, but DR has been on Had nonstop with the exception of the 2-3 weeks we were on Azuras, and we dont know of you, at all.

I recognize Fantasia, DiG, and remnants of TKO, DD, and other guilds I believe fell apart. But whoever you are specifically? Not under that tag, hell the blob we fought at BRK was identified as M12 only because the only people we recognized in the group were M12 members.

You say that mine fight was your group, but i had never seen half of those people before. So if youve been around since December, youd reckon id know who you are, since Had has always been so small and tight knit.

antihero727

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

My question was somewhat rhetorical. ZOS probably shouldn't/won't do anything. Population imbalance is an issue that needs to be solved among the community.
Some random thoughts:
I do not know if I would be in favor of this, but perhaps making AP account wide would encourage people to play alts in underdog factions. Right now there is no incentive to play an alt other than trying to make the map less dominated. I'll add that most pugs do not care about having what people call "good pvp." They want to win, and they want AP. Also, many people do not care for raising/playing alts at all.
There needs to be an instant-gratification reward to convince all of the pugs to switch sides temporarily. I admit that 7-30 day campaigns should probably not feature any instant gratification rewards, but that is the only way I can think to sway the masses. It has to be substantial, as well, since we will be attempting to convince people to not only make/play an alt, but commit to actually making the campaign more balanced.

I personally am an alliance loyalists. Some might find that stupid but I don't. I would rather quit the game than make a DC or EP toon.

Ive played cross faction in every game I have ever played, different strokes I suppose. The opportunity for uphill fighting exists there. The problem is joining a faction at launch (in my case AD), that was so grossly overpopulated there were virtually no fights to be had on six campaigns, only a few (wabba, dawnbreaker, and a couple others) were even contested at all.

The natural progression to switch sides was bred out of the lack of not shooting fish in a barrel with five times the numbers. Until youve taken six-twelve people to a buff server and farmed that entire faction for hundreds of thousands of AP in a session, and realized just how weak most zergers really are, you really havent experienced the game IMO.

Lol, you have no idea who you are talking to. I just started in the forums but have been here since pre launch. Do you think typing more words makes your "tall tales" look anymore believeable? You don't remember the EP buff servers, selective memory I guess? Watch who you insult as a well known EP streamer spent 2 days in malestrom licking his wounds and does not stream anymore from running his mouth to much. I can't wait for Wednesday to farm your group.

*snicker*

No, seriously, that whole threat just made me laugh.

Don't worry I will be laughing on top of your dead EP toon soon enough. This vacation was just what I needed. Refreshed and ready to kill EP trash zergs till CU comes out.

Youre the guy that invoked the TKO guild name against me, you literally lost any credibility the moment you did so. Go back to your zerg.

Lol you were in that guild too so you lost all credibility to yourself as well. Your a trash player talking trash. Nobody actually believes or fears you. Your like a little yappy ankel bitter dog.

LyleiaSnow

God_flakes wrote: »

That's when you call them out in zone by name and shame them. Anything to get their attention.

I'm curios though, who are the actual DC on Haderus trying to change the dynamic there. Can we have a roll call?

I don't think shaming or insulting other players is the best way to go, but if anyone else wants to do it..... Although I don't think it would actually make a difference except making zone a shittier, saltier place.

forzajuve212

Rylana wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

LyleiaSnow wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Agreed 100%. TF is tough to home due to crazy lag spikes that are way higher in general vs Haderus which is tough to get my guys to move. Both us and Fantasia have moved to TF on different nights to get action when Haderus was dead. This weekend, we moved to TF on friday and had some nice fights with VE and Pact Militia. Hopefully, more DC and EP move haderus because the lag is generally lower, even when both camps have same numbers.

This... The only reason we are still homing Haderus is because the lag is much less intense than on TF. Had might spike to TF-type-lag at some points, but even then, it's a lot less often or consistent. It sucks to log on in to Cyrodiil and have no objectives to go after or have no one to fight because the map is completely yellow. If the situation was the same (AD ridiculously outnumbering DC and EP on Had) and the lag wasn't unbearable in Trueflame, we'd switch over in a heartbeat. PVP is nothing without good fights.

Unfortunately, we know the lag is an issue that probably won't get resolved any time soon...... I'd be hopeful about PVP if I thought ZOS would see this thread (despite the bickering) and give a crap, but... lol...

This issue isn't the fault of any players, be it AD, DC or EP, pugs or not pugs, it's just a symptom of a broken game and a company that is unwilling to work as hard as they should to fix the core issue of PVP, the lag.

But guilds and players still have CHOICES. You don't have to sit on Haderus and send 50 ad to kill who DC who are trying to get Rayles or Warden back.

That's the point where we have already either 1) called our group or 2) gone to TF on multiple occasions. I've even tried to call off the pugs and tell them to leave the 3 scroll keeps to the other alliances. The problem is, there are too many pugs that don't read the forums and could care less about faction dominance or server balance.

So stop responding to the first ring pushes you see, the pugs will demoralize and quit because they are no longer outnumbering 3-1 and Had returns to being smaller scale with less lag.

You act like youre above all this, but when youre at BRK or Chalman or Arrius stacking right there with the so called "pugs" you are just as much an issue as they are. The campaign was balanced pop=wise three weeks ago before any of you started coming over here.

The onus is on you to realize what has changed and correct it.

We've been on Haderus since December and have fought on it while DC and EP were stacking raids and had pug advantage. Don't try and play the blame game now with incorrect information.

I have been on Had since August 2014, and i gotta tell you, only in the last week or so have I even learned you existed. Even some of the other long-term had people had to ask what Arcane was.

So since December? Not saying youre being dishonest here, but DR has been on Had nonstop with the exception of the 2-3 weeks we were on Azuras, and we dont know of you, at all.

I recognize Fantasia, DiG, and remnants of TKO, DD, and other guilds I believe fell apart. But whoever you are specifically? Not under that tag, hell the blob we fought at BRK was identified as M12 only because the only people we recognized in the group were M12 members.

You say that mine fight was your group, but i had never seen half of those people before. So if youve been around since December, youd reckon id know who you are, since Had has always been so small and tight knit.

Like I mentioned early in the thread, we do not have the longstanding name recognition of other guilds on the server so I'm not surprised you dont know us. We've never participated in any guild v guilds or communicated with other guilds, including yours. We've only recently started a forum presence because prior to this month, I've never posted here.
.

If you see Sinderion Laemon or Forodir Nightshade, then it's my group.

Rylana

antihero727 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

antihero727 wrote: »

staracino_ESO wrote: »

My question was somewhat rhetorical. ZOS probably shouldn't/won't do anything. Population imbalance is an issue that needs to be solved among the community.
Some random thoughts:
I do not know if I would be in favor of this, but perhaps making AP account wide would encourage people to play alts in underdog factions. Right now there is no incentive to play an alt other than trying to make the map less dominated. I'll add that most pugs do not care about having what people call "good pvp." They want to win, and they want AP. Also, many people do not care for raising/playing alts at all.
There needs to be an instant-gratification reward to convince all of the pugs to switch sides temporarily. I admit that 7-30 day campaigns should probably not feature any instant gratification rewards, but that is the only way I can think to sway the masses. It has to be substantial, as well, since we will be attempting to convince people to not only make/play an alt, but commit to actually making the campaign more balanced.

I personally am an alliance loyalists. Some might find that stupid but I don't. I would rather quit the game than make a DC or EP toon.

Ive played cross faction in every game I have ever played, different strokes I suppose. The opportunity for uphill fighting exists there. The problem is joining a faction at launch (in my case AD), that was so grossly overpopulated there were virtually no fights to be had on six campaigns, only a few (wabba, dawnbreaker, and a couple others) were even contested at all.

The natural progression to switch sides was bred out of the lack of not shooting fish in a barrel with five times the numbers. Until youve taken six-twelve people to a buff server and farmed that entire faction for hundreds of thousands of AP in a session, and realized just how weak most zergers really are, you really havent experienced the game IMO.

Lol, you have no idea who you are talking to. I just started in the forums but have been here since pre launch. Do you think typing more words makes your "tall tales" look anymore believeable? You don't remember the EP buff servers, selective memory I guess? Watch who you insult as a well known EP streamer spent 2 days in malestrom licking his wounds and does not stream anymore from running his mouth to much. I can't wait for Wednesday to farm your group.

*snicker*

No, seriously, that whole threat just made me laugh.

Don't worry I will be laughing on top of your dead EP toon soon enough. This vacation was just what I needed. Refreshed and ready to kill EP trash zergs till CU comes out.

Youre the guy that invoked the TKO guild name against me, you literally lost any credibility the moment you did so. Go back to your zerg.

Lol you were in that guild too so you lost all credibility to yourself as well. Your a trash player talking trash. Nobody actually believes or fears you. Your like a little yappy ankel bitter dog.

Not just in the guild, co founded it, named it even. Then realized what BDG had become, quit promptly, and went back to my roots, where zergs arent required. The full journey is what is important. From your comments I can tell your journey has seen you pass from one zergherd to another. You sound just like all those incredulous people in tko ts that thought they were the greatest gankers in the game because they could xv1 guys on horses.

So just stop already.

God_flakes

LyleiaSnow wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

That's when you call them out in zone by name and shame them. Anything to get their attention.

I'm curios though, who are the actual DC on Haderus trying to change the dynamic there. Can we have a roll call?

I don't think shaming or insulting other players is the best way to go, but if anyone else wants to do it..... Although I don't think it would actually make a difference except making zone a shittier, saltier place.

Sounds like ad needs a Publius Scipio to do the dirty work.

Rylana

God_flakes wrote: »

LyleiaSnow wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

That's when you call them out in zone by name and shame them. Anything to get their attention.

I'm curios though, who are the actual DC on Haderus trying to change the dynamic there. Can we have a roll call?

I don't think shaming or insulting other players is the best way to go, but if anyone else wants to do it..... Although I don't think it would actually make a difference except making zone a shittier, saltier place.

Sounds like ad needs a Pubes to do the dirty work.

AD does have a version of that guy, two actually. Havent seen either of them for ages, Sierra Hotel was almost as funny as Publius.

Inarre

Fact: Trueflame has been poplocked AD & EP since I started playing last year until TG update
Fact: Trueflame is still poplocked EP
Fact: Haderus is now poplocked AD
Fact: EP gate camped AD on Trueflame and zerged them (I assume this is fact - correct me if I'm wrong)

We can gather from those facts that a lot of AD quit TF to go to Haderus.
We can assume that the EP on TF and Had are the same EP that were there before.
This tells me that the AD who were on TF changed to Had (for whatever reason).

This constant bringing up of "BUT WE WANT TO ZERG EP ON HAD CUZ EP ON TF ZERGS" is pretty pointless. You guys KNOW you aren't zerging the same people, so it's not an excuse... Can we move on and PVP now?