staracino_ESO wrote: »ZOS cannot force you to pick a certain alliance, or play on a certain campaign. What exactly would you have them do to fix the population situation on Haderus?
God_flakes wrote: »staracino_ESO wrote: »ZOS cannot force you to pick a certain alliance, or play on a certain campaign. What exactly would you have them do to fix the population situation on Haderus?
If a map is all one color, implement a pop cap of about 25% what is normally allowed. Punish the map painters. And who cares if it limits who can go in the sewers.
staracino_ESO wrote: »My question was somewhat rhetorical. ZOS probably shouldn't/won't do anything. Population imbalance is an issue that needs to be solved among the community.
Some random thoughts:
I do not know if I would be in favor of this, but perhaps making AP account wide would encourage people to play alts in underdog factions. Right now there is no incentive to play an alt other than trying to make the map less dominated. I'll add that most pugs do not care about having what people call "good pvp." They want to win, and they want AP. Also, many people do not care for raising/playing alts at all.
There needs to be an instant-gratification reward to convince all of the pugs to switch sides temporarily. I admit that 7-30 day campaigns should probably not feature any instant gratification rewards, but that is the only way I can think to sway the masses. It has to be substantial, as well, since we will be attempting to convince people to not only make/play an alt, but commit to actually making the campaign more balanced.
I imagine most people not having the Explorer's Pack. AD practically has the best races; therefore, it will be the most populated. Lore breaking, but I always hated how you could only have 3 races locked to each alliance. There's no fixing AD's overpopulation unless they remove the 3 race per alliance restriction.
Annnnd emp dethroned. I am logging out now, the other reds might cap emp, I dont know, blue has a keep on ring, but pwned is done.
Also yes, total shameless nightcap because his emp itself was nightcapped (3 days 2 hours 10 minutes ago)
Welcome back! Thanks for the AP at fare, and I thought you said VD bombs die easily.
Annnnd emp dethroned. I am logging out now, the other reds might cap emp, I dont know, blue has a keep on ring, but pwned is done.
Also yes, total shameless nightcap because his emp itself was nightcapped (3 days 2 hours 10 minutes ago)
Welcome back! Thanks for the AP at fare, and I thought you said VD bombs die easily.
Yeah no *** HAHAHAHHAA. Beat down his group like they were a bunch of cute little puggers. Go back to TF to your EP zerg and keep whining about how AD has no skillz lolololol!
antihero727 wrote: »staracino_ESO wrote: »My question was somewhat rhetorical. ZOS probably shouldn't/won't do anything. Population imbalance is an issue that needs to be solved among the community.
Some random thoughts:
I do not know if I would be in favor of this, but perhaps making AP account wide would encourage people to play alts in underdog factions. Right now there is no incentive to play an alt other than trying to make the map less dominated. I'll add that most pugs do not care about having what people call "good pvp." They want to win, and they want AP. Also, many people do not care for raising/playing alts at all.
There needs to be an instant-gratification reward to convince all of the pugs to switch sides temporarily. I admit that 7-30 day campaigns should probably not feature any instant gratification rewards, but that is the only way I can think to sway the masses. It has to be substantial, as well, since we will be attempting to convince people to not only make/play an alt, but commit to actually making the campaign more balanced.
I personally am an alliance loyalists. Some might find that stupid but I don't. I would rather quit the game than make a DC or EP toon.
Summary of this whole post:
Some random EP player: AD zerging in haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random DC player: ITs true AD have more heads in Haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random AD player: We do not zerg, we retaliate for EP zerging
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random EP player: Ok then we will bring reinforcement from TF
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random DC player player: No, all thoise AD ap is ours
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random ADplayer player: Bring your friends, we need mroe to fight
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
You see where I am going right
PS: It is true AD has more players in haderus. cause EP zerging in TF, If half of TF EP moves to haderus and half of haderus AD moves TF we can have our balance.
AD has no skills.
Annnnd emp dethroned. I am logging out now, the other reds might cap emp, I dont know, blue has a keep on ring, but pwned is done.
Also yes, total shameless nightcap because his emp itself was nightcapped (3 days 2 hours 10 minutes ago)
Welcome back! Thanks for the AP at fare, and I thought you said VD bombs die easily.
Yeah no *** HAHAHAHHAA. Beat down his group like they were a bunch of cute little puggers. Go back to TF to your EP zerg and keep whining about how AD has no skillz lolololol!
Uh, i dont play on trueflame as EP and never have.
Additionally, uh yeah, backpatting over zergsurfing with 60 guys vs 14, gg. I wish I could be as good as you honestly. Such skill, much wow.
Id counter with the BRK mine fight vs M12 that ran almost all the way to Cheydinhal where just 16 of us constantly wrecked about 40 of them, backpedaling the whole way until they finally broke. But ya know, stack more numbers, its not a crutch or anything *eyeroll*
Edit to add: 10+ remembrance healers stacked on top of each other is such a thing to witness, it was glorious busting that.
forzajuve212 wrote: »Summary of this whole post:
Some random EP player: AD zerging in haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random DC player: ITs true AD have more heads in Haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random AD player: We do not zerg, we retaliate for EP zerging
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random EP player: Ok then we will bring reinforcement from TF
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random DC player player: No, all thoise AD ap is ours
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random ADplayer player: Bring your friends, we need mroe to fight
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
You see where I am going right
PS: It is true AD has more players in haderus. cause EP zerging in TF, If half of TF EP moves to haderus and half of haderus AD moves TF we can have our balance.
AD has no skills.
Apparently we have enough to wipe you guys about 10 times last night with easeAnnnnd emp dethroned. I am logging out now, the other reds might cap emp, I dont know, blue has a keep on ring, but pwned is done.
Also yes, total shameless nightcap because his emp itself was nightcapped (3 days 2 hours 10 minutes ago)
Welcome back! Thanks for the AP at fare, and I thought you said VD bombs die easily.
Yeah no *** HAHAHAHHAA. Beat down his group like they were a bunch of cute little puggers. Go back to TF to your EP zerg and keep whining about how AD has no skillz lolololol!
Uh, i dont play on trueflame as EP and never have.
Additionally, uh yeah, backpatting over zergsurfing with 60 guys vs 14, gg. I wish I could be as good as you honestly. Such skill, much wow.
Id counter with the BRK mine fight vs M12 that ran almost all the way to Cheydinhal where just 16 of us constantly wrecked about 40 of them, backpedaling the whole way until they finally broke. But ya know, stack more numbers, its not a crutch or anything *eyeroll*
Edit to add: 10+ remembrance healers stacked on top of each other is such a thing to witness, it was glorious busting that.
lmao I cant, I didn't wanna post in the thread to be the better man but I guess I have to respond.
We wiped you all night long and even farmed you with 16 of us. We had multiple guild v guilds and each and every time we wiped you with ease at the mine without pugs on both sides. You only managed to wiped us after chasing us for 30 min with 15 pugs on your side,,,,,,,,,,,,
You're just pathetic at this point bro, you're talking out of your ass now
forzajuve212 wrote: »Summary of this whole post:
Some random EP player: AD zerging in haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random DC player: ITs true AD have more heads in Haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random AD player: We do not zerg, we retaliate for EP zerging
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random EP player: Ok then we will bring reinforcement from TF
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random DC player player: No, all thoise AD ap is ours
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random ADplayer player: Bring your friends, we need mroe to fight
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
You see where I am going right
PS: It is true AD has more players in haderus. cause EP zerging in TF, If half of TF EP moves to haderus and half of haderus AD moves TF we can have our balance.
AD has no skills.
Apparently we have enough to wipe you guys about 10 times last night with easeAnnnnd emp dethroned. I am logging out now, the other reds might cap emp, I dont know, blue has a keep on ring, but pwned is done.
Also yes, total shameless nightcap because his emp itself was nightcapped (3 days 2 hours 10 minutes ago)
Welcome back! Thanks for the AP at fare, and I thought you said VD bombs die easily.
Yeah no *** HAHAHAHHAA. Beat down his group like they were a bunch of cute little puggers. Go back to TF to your EP zerg and keep whining about how AD has no skillz lolololol!
Uh, i dont play on trueflame as EP and never have.
Additionally, uh yeah, backpatting over zergsurfing with 60 guys vs 14, gg. I wish I could be as good as you honestly. Such skill, much wow.
Id counter with the BRK mine fight vs M12 that ran almost all the way to Cheydinhal where just 16 of us constantly wrecked about 40 of them, backpedaling the whole way until they finally broke. But ya know, stack more numbers, its not a crutch or anything *eyeroll*
Edit to add: 10+ remembrance healers stacked on top of each other is such a thing to witness, it was glorious busting that.
lmao I cant, I didn't wanna post in the thread to be the better man but I guess I have to respond.
We wiped you all night long and even farmed you with 16 of us. We had multiple guild v guilds and each and every time we wiped you with ease at the mine without pugs on both sides. You only managed to wiped us after chasing us for 30 min with 15 pugs on your side,,,,,,,,,,,,
You're just pathetic at this point bro, you're talking out of your ass now
lol @ 16. I cant recall a single moment of the entire night where 16 AD were ever out by themselves. Not once did I ever see something that wasnt a double stack 40+, and they were stealth bombing a smaller group with that. lololol.
We can formally gvg if you like, 12 v 12? 16v16? 24v24? Set a place? just our guilds? No pugs? Or would you back down from that challenge I wonder...
forzajuve212 wrote: »forzajuve212 wrote: »Summary of this whole post:
Some random EP player: AD zerging in haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random DC player: ITs true AD have more heads in Haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random AD player: We do not zerg, we retaliate for EP zerging
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random EP player: Ok then we will bring reinforcement from TF
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random DC player player: No, all thoise AD ap is ours
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random ADplayer player: Bring your friends, we need mroe to fight
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
You see where I am going right
PS: It is true AD has more players in haderus. cause EP zerging in TF, If half of TF EP moves to haderus and half of haderus AD moves TF we can have our balance.
AD has no skills.
Apparently we have enough to wipe you guys about 10 times last night with easeAnnnnd emp dethroned. I am logging out now, the other reds might cap emp, I dont know, blue has a keep on ring, but pwned is done.
Also yes, total shameless nightcap because his emp itself was nightcapped (3 days 2 hours 10 minutes ago)
Welcome back! Thanks for the AP at fare, and I thought you said VD bombs die easily.
Yeah no *** HAHAHAHHAA. Beat down his group like they were a bunch of cute little puggers. Go back to TF to your EP zerg and keep whining about how AD has no skillz lolololol!
Uh, i dont play on trueflame as EP and never have.
Additionally, uh yeah, backpatting over zergsurfing with 60 guys vs 14, gg. I wish I could be as good as you honestly. Such skill, much wow.
Id counter with the BRK mine fight vs M12 that ran almost all the way to Cheydinhal where just 16 of us constantly wrecked about 40 of them, backpedaling the whole way until they finally broke. But ya know, stack more numbers, its not a crutch or anything *eyeroll*
Edit to add: 10+ remembrance healers stacked on top of each other is such a thing to witness, it was glorious busting that.
lmao I cant, I didn't wanna post in the thread to be the better man but I guess I have to respond.
We wiped you all night long and even farmed you with 16 of us. We had multiple guild v guilds and each and every time we wiped you with ease at the mine without pugs on both sides. You only managed to wiped us after chasing us for 30 min with 15 pugs on your side,,,,,,,,,,,,
You're just pathetic at this point bro, you're talking out of your ass now
lol @ 16. I cant recall a single moment of the entire night where 16 AD were ever out by themselves. Not once did I ever see something that wasnt a double stack 40+, and they were stealth bombing a smaller group with that. lololol.
We can formally gvg if you like, 12 v 12? 16v16? 24v24? Set a place? just our guilds? No pugs? Or would you back down from that challenge I wonder...
Lol you're delusional bro, I've legitimately never seen a group talk so much smack and get steamrolled all over the map. Maybe you should take a hike back to Azuras and farm some pugs again?
What happened to your prophetic vision of AD getting farmed and gate camped? XD
forzajuve212 wrote: »forzajuve212 wrote: »Summary of this whole post:
Some random EP player: AD zerging in haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random DC player: ITs true AD have more heads in Haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random AD player: We do not zerg, we retaliate for EP zerging
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random EP player: Ok then we will bring reinforcement from TF
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random DC player player: No, all thoise AD ap is ours
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random ADplayer player: Bring your friends, we need mroe to fight
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
You see where I am going right
PS: It is true AD has more players in haderus. cause EP zerging in TF, If half of TF EP moves to haderus and half of haderus AD moves TF we can have our balance.
AD has no skills.
Apparently we have enough to wipe you guys about 10 times last night with easeAnnnnd emp dethroned. I am logging out now, the other reds might cap emp, I dont know, blue has a keep on ring, but pwned is done.
Also yes, total shameless nightcap because his emp itself was nightcapped (3 days 2 hours 10 minutes ago)
Welcome back! Thanks for the AP at fare, and I thought you said VD bombs die easily.
Yeah no *** HAHAHAHHAA. Beat down his group like they were a bunch of cute little puggers. Go back to TF to your EP zerg and keep whining about how AD has no skillz lolololol!
Uh, i dont play on trueflame as EP and never have.
Additionally, uh yeah, backpatting over zergsurfing with 60 guys vs 14, gg. I wish I could be as good as you honestly. Such skill, much wow.
Id counter with the BRK mine fight vs M12 that ran almost all the way to Cheydinhal where just 16 of us constantly wrecked about 40 of them, backpedaling the whole way until they finally broke. But ya know, stack more numbers, its not a crutch or anything *eyeroll*
Edit to add: 10+ remembrance healers stacked on top of each other is such a thing to witness, it was glorious busting that.
lmao I cant, I didn't wanna post in the thread to be the better man but I guess I have to respond.
We wiped you all night long and even farmed you with 16 of us. We had multiple guild v guilds and each and every time we wiped you with ease at the mine without pugs on both sides. You only managed to wiped us after chasing us for 30 min with 15 pugs on your side,,,,,,,,,,,,
You're just pathetic at this point bro, you're talking out of your ass now
lol @ 16. I cant recall a single moment of the entire night where 16 AD were ever out by themselves. Not once did I ever see something that wasnt a double stack 40+, and they were stealth bombing a smaller group with that. lololol.
We can formally gvg if you like, 12 v 12? 16v16? 24v24? Set a place? just our guilds? No pugs? Or would you back down from that challenge I wonder...
Lol you're delusional bro, I've legitimately never seen a group talk so much smack and get steamrolled all over the map. Maybe you should take a hike back to Azuras and farm some pugs again?
What happened to your prophetic vision of AD getting farmed and gate camped? XD
gvg? (spoiler alert: he will refuse)
Reason I ask, is because youre still clutching to this fallacy that you ever beat us with just your group of 16, which never once happened. You have zero, and I say this bluntly, zero chance of beating us (any of the ad groups on had) with even numbers.
So the challenge is out there. Come out of your 40 man zerg and BRING IT. Ohwait, its not an outnumbered match anymore, you wont.
forzajuve212 wrote: »forzajuve212 wrote: »Summary of this whole post:
Some random EP player: AD zerging in haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random DC player: ITs true AD have more heads in Haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random AD player: We do not zerg, we retaliate for EP zerging
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random EP player: Ok then we will bring reinforcement from TF
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random DC player player: No, all thoise AD ap is ours
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random ADplayer player: Bring your friends, we need mroe to fight
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
You see where I am going right
PS: It is true AD has more players in haderus. cause EP zerging in TF, If half of TF EP moves to haderus and half of haderus AD moves TF we can have our balance.
AD has no skills.
Apparently we have enough to wipe you guys about 10 times last night with easeAnnnnd emp dethroned. I am logging out now, the other reds might cap emp, I dont know, blue has a keep on ring, but pwned is done.
Also yes, total shameless nightcap because his emp itself was nightcapped (3 days 2 hours 10 minutes ago)
Welcome back! Thanks for the AP at fare, and I thought you said VD bombs die easily.
Yeah no *** HAHAHAHHAA. Beat down his group like they were a bunch of cute little puggers. Go back to TF to your EP zerg and keep whining about how AD has no skillz lolololol!
Uh, i dont play on trueflame as EP and never have.
Additionally, uh yeah, backpatting over zergsurfing with 60 guys vs 14, gg. I wish I could be as good as you honestly. Such skill, much wow.
Id counter with the BRK mine fight vs M12 that ran almost all the way to Cheydinhal where just 16 of us constantly wrecked about 40 of them, backpedaling the whole way until they finally broke. But ya know, stack more numbers, its not a crutch or anything *eyeroll*
Edit to add: 10+ remembrance healers stacked on top of each other is such a thing to witness, it was glorious busting that.
lmao I cant, I didn't wanna post in the thread to be the better man but I guess I have to respond.
We wiped you all night long and even farmed you with 16 of us. We had multiple guild v guilds and each and every time we wiped you with ease at the mine without pugs on both sides. You only managed to wiped us after chasing us for 30 min with 15 pugs on your side,,,,,,,,,,,,
You're just pathetic at this point bro, you're talking out of your ass now
lol @ 16. I cant recall a single moment of the entire night where 16 AD were ever out by themselves. Not once did I ever see something that wasnt a double stack 40+, and they were stealth bombing a smaller group with that. lololol.
We can formally gvg if you like, 12 v 12? 16v16? 24v24? Set a place? just our guilds? No pugs? Or would you back down from that challenge I wonder...
Lol you're delusional bro, I've legitimately never seen a group talk so much smack and get steamrolled all over the map. Maybe you should take a hike back to Azuras and farm some pugs again?
What happened to your prophetic vision of AD getting farmed and gate camped? XD
gvg? (spoiler alert: he will refuse)
Reason I ask, is because youre still clutching to this fallacy that you ever beat us with just your group of 16, which never once happened. You have zero, and I say this bluntly, zero chance of beating us (any of the ad groups on had) with even numbers.
So the challenge is out there.
we having GvG'S?!
So you wont gvg us until May 6th, but I guarantee you will be there tomorrow, the day after that, and the day after that.
Seems legit.
When I see you tomorrow Ill remember you pushed off the gvg until next month.
RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »I remember when Agrippa still played, and he was right. It's up to ZOS to fix pop issues.
They fix it by putting in dynamic pop limits
The first x amount of players is fine, once an alliance reaches X pop it's full and more players can't join until the other two reach the same pop. For this to work though the imperial city pop needs to be seperate from Cyrodiil.
As for the whole argument "it may stop me playing with my friends" my response is no it will stop one side from zerging the other with insurmountable odds like AD is doing on Haderus. Besides that's what guest campaigns are for, if one is full take your friends to another.
It's not gonna happen though, ZOS would just rather give the 6-1 outnumbered faction a little AP earning bonus because you know....that will help 10-12 people push back 40+.....
.
So you wont gvg us until May 6th, but I guarantee you will be there tomorrow, the day after that, and the day after that.
Seems legit.
When I see you tomorrow Ill remember you pushed off the gvg until next month.
Annnnd emp dethroned. I am logging out now, the other reds might cap emp, I dont know, blue has a keep on ring, but pwned is done.
Also yes, total shameless nightcap because his emp itself was nightcapped (3 days 2 hours 10 minutes ago)
Welcome back! Thanks for the AP at fare, and I thought you said VD bombs die easily.
Yeah no *** HAHAHAHHAA. Beat down his group like they were a bunch of cute little puggers. Go back to TF to your EP zerg and keep whining about how AD has no skillz lolololol!
Uh, i dont play on trueflame as EP and never have.
Additionally, uh yeah, backpatting over zergsurfing with 60 guys vs 14, gg. I wish I could be as good as you honestly. Such skill, much wow.
Id counter with the BRK mine fight vs M12 that ran almost all the way to Cheydinhal where just 16 of us constantly wrecked about 40 of them, backpedaling the whole way until they finally broke. But ya know, stack more numbers, its not a crutch or anything *eyeroll*
Edit to add: 10+ remembrance healers stacked on top of each other is such a thing to witness, it was glorious busting that.
forzajuve212 wrote: »Summary of this whole post:
Some random EP player: AD zerging in haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random DC player: ITs true AD have more heads in Haderus
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some random AD player: We do not zerg, we retaliate for EP zerging
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random EP player: Ok then we will bring reinforcement from TF
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random DC player player: No, all thoise AD ap is ours
Rylan: AD has no skills
Some other random ADplayer player: Bring your friends, we need mroe to fight
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
..
Rylan: AD has no skills
You see where I am going right
PS: It is true AD has more players in haderus. cause EP zerging in TF, If half of TF EP moves to haderus and half of haderus AD moves TF we can have our balance.
AD has no skills.
Apparently we have enough to wipe you guys about 10 times last night with easeAnnnnd emp dethroned. I am logging out now, the other reds might cap emp, I dont know, blue has a keep on ring, but pwned is done.
Also yes, total shameless nightcap because his emp itself was nightcapped (3 days 2 hours 10 minutes ago)
Welcome back! Thanks for the AP at fare, and I thought you said VD bombs die easily.
Yeah no *** HAHAHAHHAA. Beat down his group like they were a bunch of cute little puggers. Go back to TF to your EP zerg and keep whining about how AD has no skillz lolololol!
Uh, i dont play on trueflame as EP and never have.
Additionally, uh yeah, backpatting over zergsurfing with 60 guys vs 14, gg. I wish I could be as good as you honestly. Such skill, much wow.
Id counter with the BRK mine fight vs M12 that ran almost all the way to Cheydinhal where just 16 of us constantly wrecked about 40 of them, backpedaling the whole way until they finally broke. But ya know, stack more numbers, its not a crutch or anything *eyeroll*
Edit to add: 10+ remembrance healers stacked on top of each other is such a thing to witness, it was glorious busting that.
lmao I cant, I didn't wanna post in the thread to be the better man but I guess I have to respond.
We wiped you all night long and even farmed you with 16 of us. We had multiple guild v guilds and each and every time we wiped you with ease at the mine without pugs on both sides. You only managed to wiped us after chasing us for 30 min with 15 pugs on your side,,,,,,,,,,,,
You're just pathetic at this point bro, you're talking out of your ass now
lol @ 16. I cant recall a single moment of the entire night where 16 AD were ever out by themselves. Not once did I ever see something that wasnt a double stack 40+, and they were stealth bombing a smaller group with that. lololol.
We can formally gvg if you like, 12 v 12? 16v16? 24v24? Set a place? just our guilds? No pugs? Or would you back down from that challenge I wonder...