vMA and vDSA loots should drop at Normal

haunted1994F · April 2016

vMA and vDSA vet items should drop at normal difficulty with low drop rate and blue rarity, why its not same like the daily pledges? we get silver key and gold key its same as normal and veteran difficulty and each key drops monster items, gold key chest has a higher chance and a purple rarity as the silver chest has lower chance and a blue rarity. I played vMA and vDSA and already give up to many times, I don't want to tear my self up just to beat this trials. Let us play the difficulty that we can and we cant with rewards that matter. normal MA and DSA is not even that easy to finish and it drops more like nothing its kinda useless to make normal trials when the only thing rewarding is the vet difficulty witch is really not for all players, the only players i saw who beat those vet trials are those who put up tons of hours into it. and some of us cant really put that time and effort to beat it. Sorry for bad English.

Valrien · April 2016

I'd rather not. Just like everything else in this game it would make something hard easier. Also, DSA already drops things on Normal.

haunted1994F · April 2016

the point is its not making it easier, its making the game more rewarding rather than wasting time and don't get anything at all.

Dromede · April 2016

Dsa atuff does drop on normal - v13 scaled weapons. I personally have a destro staff and a bow, got the bow about 2 months ago. It's rng though, so there's no drop guaranteed.

haunted1994F · April 2016

Never heard of people proud at playing normal trials not like the pledges even with silver you still got hope for getting something atleast.

Xjcon · April 2016

No thanks. I would prefer items that are meant to be from Vet dungeons stay Vet exclusive. But I would support BOE.

haunted1994F · April 2016

Xjcon wrote: »

No thanks. I would prefer items that are meant to be from Vet dungeons stay Vet exclusive. But I would support BOE.

there are already vet exclusives, costumes etc but normal got nothing.

Valrien · April 2016

One of your arguments is that the only people who complete vet content are people who put hours into it. Is that not how it should be? Time dedication is rewarded while those who dedicate less time are rewarded less?

Ariisen · April 2016

Pledges are fine because they are a daily activity but people shouldn't be rewarded BiS gear for something as easy as normal MA... just my personal opinion.

DannyLV702 · April 2016

Normal mode is extremely easy to be dropping any weapons

cyx54tc · April 2016

normal drops all the sets except the weapon isn't it..

NewBlacksmurf · April 2016

Maybe green but not blue

Wollust · April 2016

Why would you need BiS weapons if you can't finish end game content?

NewBlacksmurf · April 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Why would you need BiS weapons if you can't finish end game content?

So we can gear up to finish the content.

Wollust · April 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Why would you need BiS weapons if you can't finish end game content?

So we can gear up to finish the content.

If you really think these weapons are gonna make the difference for finishing said content, I've got some bad news for you.

DannyLV702 · April 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Maybe green but not blue

Doesn't really matter if the quality is purple or white. The only upgrade materials that cost something are gold ones.

code65536 · April 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Maybe green but not blue

The color is irrelevant. The cost to upgrade an item from white to purple is pocket change.

The problem with weapons dropping from nMA is that nMA is so mind-numbingly easy. So easy that I could beat it with no deaths and no sigils while wearing no armor and no jewelry. nMA is good as a solo grind spot (I used it to level two characters during cake week), but it offers no challenge. Should BiS weapons be rewarded to people who grind zombies in Sentinel? Because that's what dropping weapons in nMA would be like.

That said, I might support the idea if nMA dropped weapons rarely at VR14. But not if it drops at VR15 and definitely not if it's VR16. Or, if they substantially buffed the difficulty of nMA so that you can't beat it with a naked character.

Anzriel · April 2016

I would be more likely to agree with improving the drop rate on some items rather than just having them drop in normal. Even as a green item.

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

Wollust wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Why would you need BiS weapons if you can't finish end game content?

So we can gear up to finish the content.

If you really think these weapons are gonna make the difference for finishing said content, I've got some bad news for you.

This. If a team cannot finish vet DSA, even full golden BiS sets wont change anything. Sorry, but this is true.

DDemon · April 2016

You can run through normal MA just light attacking and compete it. I do agree though, the regular loot (Not the maelstrom weapons) would be nice to have drop at v16.

Paulington · April 2016

The reason normal DSA and normal MA don't drop the same loot as normal except blue is because why would you ever run Veteran? You'd just farm normal to get the loot instead.

Better loot dropping in harder content is an MMO staple. You can complete all end-game content with crafted gold gear (yes, even Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj) so the "we need it so we can clear it" doesn't really work.

As with all MMOs, the hardest content drops the best loot.

NativeJoe · April 2016

Eh, I think there should be a high cost token system. If you Truly cannot complete VMA...then 1 token per try and 100 a piece to get the piece you truly want, with the traits you want. Same goes for the rest of the dungeons. If I run ICP 100 times, get all the traited items I need/want except for 1 because of rng, I want a token cash in system to pay for that 1 elusive rng garbage.

IMO thats the best way to solve this entire issue. If you Honestly cannot complete it... and you spend an hour or more trying... here's a token. I have sympathy. You just have to give it a honest full hearted go. I want this implemented like yesterday. My condolences to those that have farmed for their undaunted sets for Months and got literally jack ***.

GnGEmpire · April 2016

I don't see why those who fail to complete the required content (vMA) are entitled to its rewards (normal MA).

Try getting better and earn the rewards instead

NewBlacksmurf · April 2016

Wollust wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Why would you need BiS weapons if you can't finish end game content?

So we can gear up to finish the content.

If you really think these weapons are gonna make the difference for finishing said content, I've got some bad news for you.

I'm pretty sure the reason ppl do vMSA is for the drops and not the content so doing normal for a low chance of a green version that could be improved will make a difference cause we are talking about normal not vMSA. Believe it or not, there are ppl who struggle to progress in normal so gear matters and these weapons do as well.

Maybe for u it won't but someone who can't complete normal MSA prob lacks having 100 cp and lacks 9 trait research as well as mats for crafting and enchants or lacks gold to buy this stuff.

Lots of situations but the drop will make a difference for some ppl

Mojmir · April 2016

master weps dropped in both dsa's correct? thats group content?this is a solo instance, why not a chance at a drop for a lower say vr14-15 maelstrom wep in normal msa?

Destruent · April 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Why would you need BiS weapons if you can't finish end game content?

So we can gear up to finish the content.

If you really think these weapons are gonna make the difference for finishing said content, I've got some bad news for you.

I'm pretty sure the reason ppl do vMSA is for the drops and not the content so doing normal for a low chance of a green version that could be improved will make a difference cause we are talking about normal not vMSA. Believe it or not, there are ppl who struggle to progress in normal so gear matters and these weapons do as well.

Maybe for u it won't but someone who can't complete normal MSA prob lacks having 100 cp and lacks 9 trait research as well as mats for crafting and enchants or lacks gold to buy this stuff.

Lots of situations but the drop will make a difference for some ppl

Gear doesn't matter in normal MSA. Maybe it sounds hard, but if someone cannot beat nMSA he has to change/improve his playstyle/reactions/etc first...

edit: The best equip should be rewarded for doing the best content. None of this equip is actually needed for completing any content in TESO. So it's just optional. So where's the problem with giving out optional things to those who beat the hardest content?

Paulington · April 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

master weps dropped in both dsa's correct? thats group content?this is a solo instance, why not a chance at a drop for a lower say vr14-15 maelstrom wep in normal msa?

A VR14/15 MA weapon would be useless as even with the enchantment it would be behind in terms of damage compared to a properly setted and crafted VR16 weapon.

DRXHarbinger · April 2016

Normal maelstrom is easier than normal DSA with even with a full *** team. I take level 10 characters in soul shrivens in there ffs. No you cannot have what you do not deserve.

Wollust · April 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Why would you need BiS weapons if you can't finish end game content?

So we can gear up to finish the content.

If you really think these weapons are gonna make the difference for finishing said content, I've got some bad news for you.

I'm pretty sure the reason ppl do vMSA is for the drops and not the content so doing normal for a low chance of a green version that could be improved will make a difference cause we are talking about normal not vMSA. Believe it or not, there are ppl who struggle to progress in normal so gear matters and these weapons do as well.

Maybe for u it won't but someone who can't complete normal MSA prob lacks having 100 cp and lacks 9 trait research as well as mats for crafting and enchants or lacks gold to buy this stuff.

Lots of situations but the drop will make a difference for some ppl

Ofc we do vMSA for the loot. The weapons are important to minmax DPS.
But if you make the BiS gear available in the normal instance, why would someone bother running vet?
And people who struggle in normal can hardly blame gear. They should be blaming their gameplay and understanding of mechanics. You don't need to be max geared to do normal. Not even for veteran. You need to understand the mechanics and you need to know how to DPS properly while also being survivable and prioritizing the right target. A Maelstrom weapon won't help you with that. All I see is that people want the Maelstrom weapons because they think they'll help them in any way. They won't. They do increase your DPS by a bit, but that's it. That won't help you getting things done at all.

Normal is meant as a training instance to get a feeling for it. Veteran is the challenge. The challenge that rewards you occasionally with one of the Maelstrom weapons. Deal with it.

code65536 · April 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Why would you need BiS weapons if you can't finish end game content?

So we can gear up to finish the content.

If you really think these weapons are gonna make the difference for finishing said content, I've got some bad news for you.

I'm pretty sure the reason ppl do vMSA is for the drops and not the content so doing normal for a low chance of a green version that could be improved will make a difference cause we are talking about normal not vMSA. Believe it or not, there are ppl who struggle to progress in normal so gear matters and these weapons do as well.

Maybe for u it won't but someone who can't complete normal MSA prob lacks having 100 cp and lacks 9 trait research as well as mats for crafting and enchants or lacks gold to buy this stuff.

Lots of situations but the drop will make a difference for some ppl

Um. Maelstrom weapons are not needed to beat Maelstrom. Otherwise, how would anyone get them in the first place? Beating vMA is about skill and practice. If you think that a piece of gear is going to make up for a lack of player skill, then you don't understand vMA.

Also, if someone can't complete normal Maelstrom, then, to put it bluntly, they need to learn to play. I can beat nMA wearing NO armor or jewelry of any kind. You absolutely don't need "9 trait research" to beat nMA because you can beat it with a naked character, if you know what you're doing. On the other hand, you can give someone a bag full of all the best golden gear in the game and 501 CP, but if he has no idea how to actually play the game and think that light-attacking with a bow while standing perfectly still is awesome, he's not going to beat nMA.

Gear and stats are not substitutes for skill and experience. The people who beat vMA did not do so because they had BiS gear--they did so because they put in hours of practice and endured countless wipes.

Mojmir · April 2016

Paulington wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

master weps dropped in both dsa's correct? thats group content?this is a solo instance, why not a chance at a drop for a lower say vr14-15 maelstrom wep in normal msa?

A VR14/15 MA weapon would be useless as even with the enchantment it would be behind in terms of damage compared to a properly setted and crafted VR16 weapon.

so wheres the issue? if anything it might shut some people up. im just tired of hearing about it. im on stage 5 vma personally and in no hurry.