Asking for gold to leave someone alone when they are grinding in IC

Shadesofkin · April 2016

It's a jerk move, but I do think it's still in the spirit of PvP. IC isn't a strictly PvE zone despite what it's traditionally been treated as by some.

My recommendation is to have someone always standing on guard, and to figure out the counter to such abilities (you'd be surprised at how well a simple Harness will do with Bastion against Proxy Det).

Wreuntzylla · April 2016

I TOLD YOU OP. But nooooo, you didn't listen. So now the price goes up to 15k per person for protection in my sewers.

idk · April 2016

I am trying to understand why OP and his group let this guy kill him over and over. IC has a decent size to it.

Foxic · April 2016

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ok The reason why I kept going back to the same district is due to the fact that this time to Noble district is broken. It will allow mobs to spawn with in one second after death which allowing you to get 1.5 million XP per hour end results of this. If asking for money to leave somebody alone was ok and I just wanted to know if this Behavior was acceptable and if zos will do anything about it. If not. what's stoping people from doing the same thing yet on a bigger scale and now holding his zone hostage now this is something people want to tolerate.

And nobody has answered the real question that I've been asked do you want this to happen to you?

So let me get this straight. You're angry because someone killed you while you were EXPLOITING a bug, you told him to leave then he said only if you pay me(probably sarcastically) Good one op

Lysette · April 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

This same scenario happened to a buddy of mine in cracked wood cave. Some sorc was killing him over and over, and then messaged my buddy saying "give me 10k and I'll leave you alone". So I went there, murdered the sorc, and then messaged him saying "give me 10k and I'll leave you alone ;-)"

Well, fair enough, and the way to go in a pvp zone - gank the ganker - the old bait and kill mechanics.

Tan9oSuccka · April 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

This same scenario happened to a buddy of mine in cracked wood cave. Some sorc was killing him over and over, and then messaged my buddy saying "give me 10k and I'll leave you alone". So I went there, murdered the sorc, and then messaged him saying "give me 10k and I'll leave you alone ;-)"

Well, fair enough, and the way to go in a pvp zone - gank the ganker - the old bait and kill mechanics.

That's how I use my Nightblade. Wait for gankers to pick on PVE players in the sewer.

Shepard watching his flock.

Lysette · April 2016

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

This same scenario happened to a buddy of mine in cracked wood cave. Some sorc was killing him over and over, and then messaged my buddy saying "give me 10k and I'll leave you alone". So I went there, murdered the sorc, and then messaged him saying "give me 10k and I'll leave you alone ;-)"

Well, fair enough, and the way to go in a pvp zone - gank the ganker - the old bait and kill mechanics.

That's how I use my Nightblade. Wait for gankers to pick on PVE players in the sewer.

Shepard watching his flock.

Bait and kill refers to something else - creating an obvious "easy target" to bait a ganker, who will go for the kill - while a hidden force is waiting to kill him, when he will do his attack. This is not like in your case, because you are the ganker, which will go for the bait - and others will kill you, when you do - that is bait and kill.

Edit. Ah, well, my bad, I did not read carefully enough, sorry - ýou are right.

Kanar · April 2016

If you don't want to PvP, don't go in the PvP zone.

Volkodav · April 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Its never happened to me because I'm not bad. However, its probably gonna happen to some people on xbox NA now that I've got the idea in my head

Getting killed over and over by a higher level player,or one who has been better at their build doesnt mean the victim is a bad player.

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

So I was in IC grinding on mobs when I found this 1 player constantly killing me over and over again. I asked for him to please stop killing me and to let us grind. He proceeded to tell me to send him 20K gold for each member in my group and only then he would leave us alone. Does this sound like a part of the game that should be allowed to happen? Has this ever happened to anyone else?

You need to report this person.It's extremely wrong to do this to anyone.

Khaos_Bane · April 2016

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Take a picture of his chat, report him for harassment. It's one thing for him to just kill you over and over, that's okay. But when he's extorting you for it, you might be able to get him for that.

I'm not sure this is a problem. Griefing is absolutely part of PvP and a primary reason many people PvP in IC.

ElderBugOffline · April 2016

@Volkodav its not wrongs jeeez

its allowed and fun
i am doing it everytime

[snip]

[Edit to remove bait.]

Volkodav · April 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Unfortunately OP griefers exist. Fortunately though you stop getting xp from someone after killing that same person a certain number of times so he's just wasting his time if he is constantly killing you while you have little to no TV Stones.

Thing is,he doesnt want the stones.He is asking foer 20k gold from each person in the group to not kill them.
That is something we,as a player community shouldnt approve of. He wants to stop them from gathering stones,even if he doesnt get them,he wants gold to let them have them.

Tan9oSuccka · April 2016

If the OP is on PS4 EP NA, I would gladly help you.

I despise this kind of behavior.

Volkodav · April 2016

ElderBugOffline wrote: »

@Volkodav its not wrongs jeeez

its allowed and fun
i am doing it everytime

[snip]

[Edit to remove bait.]

I'm not butthurt,as I am not fool enough to go somewhere where people like you go to harass others.
Having said that,I dont approve of harassment in any form,no matter how you want to pretend it's just gameplay. Not stopping when someone else asks you to is a total case of Harassment.Period.
Go gank whoever you want,but it wont be me,I assure you.
I'm beginning to see why some people love IC so much.So they can take advantage of others.Or for the fun of ganking and taking.

RedRoomGaming · April 2016

I bloody hate people like that. Let me give you my experience the other night.

Me a lonely red heading to the bone shard vault. Seems quiet enough for me to trundle my way to the shiny and await my ever glorious prize.

But what's this a group of yellows that look to me for a fight. I stood still and let them kill me 5 or 6 times until they got the hint that, me, a lonely fellow was just trying to cross the bridge of happiness towards the shiny door of joy.

So happy that they had let me live. I made my way over to see a group of about 10 blues (ish) and was hoping the same out come would happen. NO THEY BLOODY KILLED ME over and over again and wouldn't let me get into the door even though I had messaged them to say please and all I got was a HAHAHA in return.

Judas Helviaryn · April 2016

The problem here is that "harassment" is a very broad term. You could interpret the ToS to mean that ANYTHING that ticks off another player is harassment. I just jumped you in the sewers, you're angry, suddenly the fun in your game has been ruined. Is it fair to ask ZOS to punish me in this instance?

This extortion issue using game mechanics for ingame currency is not an issue that should be taken out of the game, it should be dealt with by the players in the game. Get protection, or find another grind spot.

I don't agree with the method, as a player, but I see it as fair game in a cutthroat atmosphere like the Imperial Sewers.

Lysette · April 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

ElderBugOffline wrote: »

@Volkodav its not wrongs jeeez

its allowed and fun
i am doing it everytime

you can only butthurt

I'm not butthurt,as I am not fool enough to go somewhere where people like you go to harass others.
Having said that,I dont approve of harassment in any form,no matter how you want to pretend it's just gameplay. Not stopping when someone else asks you to is a total case of Harassment.Period.
Go gank whoever you want,but it wont be me,I assure you.
I'm beginning to see why some people love IC so much.So they can take advantage of others.Or for the fun of ganking and taking.

I think this is by design the purpose of the IC and why there is PvE content as well - to create a zone where conflict is immanent. And as such I think that this is intended gameplay there. Converting this into a mafia business might not be intended gameplay and it would be nice if ZOS would give us their idea about this kind of gameplay. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Papa_Hunt · April 2016

Discussing this as if it were harassment is a false argument. As others have said, it is a PvP zone. Asking for gold to leave you alone actually has a bit of a role-playing flavor to it. =P It's funny how different people respond differently to these situations. If I'm in a PvP zone and I get ganked, I may get irritated but then I just hunt them down myself, or if warranted, I'll call in guildies or other folks in the zone.

LegacyDM · April 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

ElderBugOffline wrote: »

@Volkodav its not wrongs jeeez

its allowed and fun
i am doing it everytime

you can only butthurt

I'm not butthurt,as I am not fool enough to go somewhere where people like you go to harass others.
Having said that,I dont approve of harassment in any form,no matter how you want to pretend it's just gameplay. Not stopping when someone else asks you to is a total case of Harassment.Period.
Go gank whoever you want,but it wont be me,I assure you.
I'm beginning to see why some people love IC so much.So they can take advantage of others.Or for the fun of ganking and taking.

If you can't stomach IC go elsewhere. You have options. Game isn't forcing you to pvp in IC. Mats can be farmed n other ways. If you don't like the pvp game mechanics play a different game. If you people are so sensitive that you can't handle ganking in a video game that's a personal problem and I advise you to seek counseling. The ganker was not rude or committed RL harassment. He is playing an evil character commiting a heist within the bounds of the game. If you feel harassed from him asking for gold, put him on ignore and move on. Extortion would be if he knew you in rl and tried to extort real $$$. Not roleplaying in a video game.

goatlyonesub17_ESO · April 2016

I see several people ostentatiously predicting what ZOS will do. I suggest that a harassment report be made, while all of us wait to comment further until we have seen what ZOS actually will have done. Then we'll know.

Judas Helviaryn · April 2016

goatlyonesub17_ESO wrote: »

I see several people ostentatiously predicting what ZOS will do. I suggest that a harassment report be made, while all of us wait to comment further until we have seen what ZOS actually will have done. Then we'll know.

ZOS does not confide what punishments, if any, are given to offenders. That would be a breach of privacy.

In any case, this doesn't fall under the practiced definition of harassment in ESO.

FENGRUSH · April 2016

Lol, I can't believe so many people are saying to report him.

There's nothing wrong with this. I've done this as well on stream! It's a business alternative for players. There is no harassment happening that can be acted on through ToS.

Wouldn't waste your time reporting, unless it simply makes you feel better..

ElderBugOffline · April 2016

@Volkodav its not a harrasment

RTFM few posts before yours

RedRoomGaming wrote: »

I bloody hate people like that. Let me give you my experience the other night.

Me a lonely red heading to the bone shard vault. Seems quiet enough for me to trundle my way to the shiny and await my ever glorious prize.

But what's this a group of yellows that look to me for a fight. I stood still and let them kill me 5 or 6 times until they got the hint that, me, a lonely fellow was just trying to cross the bridge of happiness towards the shiny door of joy.

So happy that they had let me live. I made my way over to see a group of about 10 blues (ish) and was hoping the same out come would happen. NO THEY BLOODY KILLED ME over and over again and wouldn't let me get into the door even though I had messaged them to say please and all I got was a HAHAHA in return.

L2Pissue

Volkodav · April 2016

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

The problem here is that "harassment" is a very broad term. You could interpret the ToS to mean that ANYTHING that ticks off another player is harassment. I just jumped you in the sewers, you're angry, suddenly the fun in your game has been ruined. Is it fair to ask ZOS to punish me in this instance?

This extortion issue using game mechanics for ingame currency is not an issue that should be taken out of the game, it should be dealt with by the players in the game. Get protection, or find another grind spot.

I don't agree with the method, as a player, but I see it as fair game in a cutthroat atmosphere like the Imperial Sewers.

Amazing. I would hope that people wouldnt want to let this grow.Eventually,no one will go where this can be done to them.Not IC,and not Cyrodiil.It will only further the bad name of PvPers who do this for their own fun.So,who will they gank if no one ever wants to go there? As to the TV stones,soon people will stop going for them.So where will they get all those stones then? They'll have to get them for yourselves.
I'm not speaking of you,as a player.Judas.

Hadan_of_Rift · April 2016

Mic1007 wrote: »

Killing someone over and over and over and then demanding gold from them to stop doing it goes against it. It "causes distress and ruins the other users' experience" which is forbidden by 2.5.

This is what's wrong with society. Getting killed over and over in a video does NOT cause distress. If it does for you get medical help immediately there is something seriously wrong with your mental fortitude and without help you are in for a long life of depression.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Again... if you really can't tell that a behavior is bullying....probably means you have some social problems.

and yes.. I work in psych.

You you need to grow a pair and stop being such a candy ass. Other players don't need to conform to your playstyle wishes. If you make the choice to go to a PvP zone knowing the risk that you could and would be killed that's on you. The OP got killed and qq'd to the PvPer, if anything the PvPer should have reported the OP for harassing him and trying to RUIN HIS EXPERIENCE by qq'n and trying to get him to stop PvPing in a PvP zone.

And if you think the person is a bully, the best thing to do is punch that bully in the mouth not going crying to mamma someone wasn't nice to you on the playground. Or if you don't like to fight go somewhere else you don't NEED to grind in a PvP zone. Embarrassing weak minded people.

Tholian1 · April 2016

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

ElderBugOffline wrote: »

@Volkodav its not wrongs jeeez

its allowed and fun
i am doing it everytime

you can only butthurt

I'm not butthurt,as I am not fool enough to go somewhere where people like you go to harass others.
Having said that,I dont approve of harassment in any form,no matter how you want to pretend it's just gameplay. Not stopping when someone else asks you to is a total case of Harassment.Period.
Go gank whoever you want,but it wont be me,I assure you.
I'm beginning to see why some people love IC so much.So they can take advantage of others.Or for the fun of ganking and taking.

If you can't stomach IC go elsewhere. You have options. Game isn't forcing you to pvp in IC. Mats can be farmed n other ways. If you don't like the pvp game mechanics play a different game. If you people are so sensitive that you can't handle ganking in a video game that's a personal problem and I advise you to seek counseling. The ganker was not rude or committed RL harassment. He is playing an evil character commiting a heist within the bounds of the game. If you feel harassed from him asking for gold, put him on ignore and move on. Extortion would be if he knew you in rl and tried to extort real $$$. Not roleplaying in a video game.

The OP admitted that they were grinding in IC to exploit a bug with the fast respawn rate of the mobs. The player that was asked to stop PvPing in a PvP zone was probably irritated that he was being asked to stop and gave a sarcastic response.

Lysette · April 2016

Well in the case of the OP, it is not harassment. In a contested zone no one has the right to stubbornly stay in a certain grinding spot and want to be left alone to "do their thing". The situation could be easily avoided by just leaving the place. But the OP insists stubbornly to stay in that location and so he and his group will have to deal with it - simple as that.

Judas Helviaryn · April 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

The problem here is that "harassment" is a very broad term. You could interpret the ToS to mean that ANYTHING that ticks off another player is harassment. I just jumped you in the sewers, you're angry, suddenly the fun in your game has been ruined. Is it fair to ask ZOS to punish me in this instance?

This extortion issue using game mechanics for ingame currency is not an issue that should be taken out of the game, it should be dealt with by the players in the game. Get protection, or find another grind spot.

I don't agree with the method, as a player, but I see it as fair game in a cutthroat atmosphere like the Imperial Sewers.

Amazing. I would hope that people wouldnt want to let this grow.Eventually,no one will go where this can be done to them.Not IC,and not Cyrodiil.It will only further the bad name of PvPers who do this for their own fun.So,who will they gank if no one ever wants to go there? As to the TV stones,soon people will stop going for them.So where will they get all those stones then? They'll have to get them for yourselves.
I'm not speaking of you,as a player.Judas.

It's quite simple Volk, the ganks will gank and extort each other. The IC has its own target playerbase, the people who love that cutthroat atmosphere, just like every other game and DLC. Whether you, and not you personally, decide to walk out of your comfort zone and brave the dangers for the reward is up to you; If not, don't buy the product.

Sheezabeast · April 2016

Don't you get a diminishing amount of TV stones and AP for killing the same person over and over?

QuebraRegra · April 2016

billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »

So I was in IC grinding on mobs when I found this 1 player constantly killing me over and over again. I asked for him to please stop killing me and to let us grind. He proceeded to tell me to send him 20K gold for each member in my group and only then he would leave us alone. Does this sound like a part of the game that should be allowed to happen? Has this ever happened to anyone else?