Do you think ESO should be considered an "Elder Scrolls" game?

Solid_Metal · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

the one who said "this game is not true TES game hurr durr" just some skyrim snob, not TES snob i meant you, but SKYRIM snob, they only play skyrim and self-declared as TES fans

Shunravi · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

Solid_Metal wrote: »

the one who said "this game is not true TES game hurr durr" just some skyrim snob, not TES snob i meant you, but SKYRIM snob, they only play skyrim and self-declared as TES fans

There is so much more to TES than just skyrim. Sometimes i wish it hadnt sold so well....

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

Gameplay =/= lore.
In Oblivion, you could shoot 50 arrows in high level npc's head before they die, but lore-wise they're just normal people. Also in that game you could become an archmage without casting a single spell (well, except ayleid puzzle, but you could use scrolls for this).
In Morrowind, you could barely hit a mudcrab with a mace if your skill wasnt high enough, even if the mudcrab wasnt moving at all.
In Skyrim, a dragon could be easily killed by 3 guards and a beggar.
Also in TES games you could become a leader of every guild, even though it doesnt make sense. Arch-Mage, who is also the Listener of Dark Brotherhood, and the Grey Fox, and arena champion, and hero of Kvatch, and Fighter's guild leader, and Holy Crusader, and Mad God.
And gameplay doesnt have to be the same in every game of the franchise. There's already sspin-off games, like Redguard or Battlespire, and they are still canon.
ESO adds a lot to existing TES lore, and its really awesome in my opinion. And there's no reason to consider it non-canon, after all, TES canon has been changing with every game.

MrDenimChicken · April 2016

No, ESO is nothing like an Elder Scrolls game.

I tried to play ESO like I played skyrim...as in 1st person POV and exploring and getting lost.

but yeaaaaah, it's just like playing pretend. It doesn't feel like skyrim did for me. It's an MMO with elder scrolls lore, but not as much of the sense of discovery and world immersion.

I honestly think if they make an elder scrolls 6 and it is great, then people will look back at this game and say it was just making money off the license.

Elsonso · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

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MrDenimChicken wrote: »

I tried to play ESO like I played skyrim...as in 1st person POV and exploring and getting lost.

I played ESO for the first year, just like this. Successfully. No "pretending".

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

I tried to play ESO like I played skyrim...as in 1st person POV and exploring and getting lost.

but yeaaaaah, it's just like playing pretend. It doesn't feel like skyrim did for me. It's an MMO with elder scrolls lore, but not as much of the sense of discovery and world immersion.

I honestly think if they make an elder scrolls 6 and it is great, then people will look back at this game and say it was just making money off the license.

What if TES6 wont be like Skyrim?
Its all a matter of preference, you know. For me, Skyrim was the least immersive TES game.

Ra'Shtar · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

Skyrim with DLCs and no mods is not even half as good as this game.

Shunravi · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

I tried to play ESO like I played skyrim...as in 1st person POV and exploring and getting lost.

but yeaaaaah, it's just like playing pretend. It doesn't feel like skyrim did for me. It's an MMO with elder scrolls lore, but not as much of the sense of discovery and world immersion.

I honestly think if they make an elder scrolls 6 and it is great, then people will look back at this game and say it was just making money off the license.

What if TES6 wont be like Skyrim?
Its all a matter of preference, you know. For me, Skyrim was the least immersive TES game.

Same.

Oh, and in response to your other post, something i always found funny if i got archmage before grey fox in oblivion, was 'stealing' the staff from the foot of my own archmage bed and then having the letter get delivered in which i am outraged at taking 'my own' things (game mechanics and whatnot asside). Sure it makes some sense as anonimity in the thieves guild is assumed, but it was good for laughs.

Vaoh · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

Anyone who says ESO is not an Elder Scrolls Game is just hating. It has the title, lore, and everything else needed to be considered one. Nothing else needs to be said. Great game and has more lore than any other TES game as well.

If you only played Skyrim, running around with a half-naked lady wielding a lightsaber (and 1000 other running mods) and saying ESO is too different, you aren't really a TES fan. This is the kind of person I imagine picking "No" tbh.

And for reference, Skyrim was the most dumbed down TES game to date. Better graphics and combat sure, but definitely not anywhere else. Similar when comparing Fallout 4 to Fallout 3/New Vegas. Hopefully TES VI doesn't follow this pattern.

Abeille · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

I tried to play ESO like I played skyrim...as in 1st person POV and exploring and getting lost.

but yeaaaaah, it's just like playing pretend. It doesn't feel like skyrim did for me. It's an MMO with elder scrolls lore, but not as much of the sense of discovery and world immersion.

I honestly think if they make an elder scrolls 6 and it is great, then people will look back at this game and say it was just making money off the license.

What if TES6 wont be like Skyrim?
Its all a matter of preference, you know. For me, Skyrim was the least immersive TES game.

I often imagine how different TES6 will be from TES5 and ESO, and how fans will take that, especially new fans.
If it will have a point of view that contradicts what we think we know, and then we will have to deal with the fact that some major things we think we know might be just the opinion of some biased characters (which happens really all the time, so a fan should get used to that if they are not already).
If it will have better companions, but in a smaller number, and then some people will dislike the lack of variety while others will be happy with the improved AI, or even if it will have no companions at all.
If they will make changes to the combat for it to will be more dynamic, and then there will be people who will dislike it because they can't pause and eat 10 cheese wheels during combat anymore.
If the areas we explore won't captivate the players as much as Skyrim did.
If people who completely ignore the timeline will come forth and, having played only ESO, will say things like "But [feature that only ESO has] is a staple on TES series! TES6 doesn't have it, it is no TES!", like people do with Skyrim-only features and ESO now.

No matter what happens, I want it. I know I'll have to wait, though, since they said "not before 2019" or something like that

baldguy50 · April 2016

No, ESO is nothing like an Elder Scrolls game.

I just started ESO a month ago and am enjoying, but not nearly as much as Oblivion and Skyrim.

ESO has the Elder Scrolls stories and locations and lore in it. However, the gameplay is not Elder Scrolls.
It doesn't have houses, no storage options, and not enough loot, the fast travel system sucks, and the revive system after you die sucks. I will play until I complete my Audiron stories and quests and main story, and then I'll probably quit unless they fix some of these problems I have with it.

Thanks.

Seraseth · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

It really depends,

If you consider the lore and the world what makes an ES game, then obviously, yes it is.

If you consider common gameplay elements and functionality what makes an ES game, then it's somewhat less so, lacking the be everything and open world aspects that were key in every other ES game.

But yes, I still consider it to be an ES game. Just a different spin off style.

BenLocoDete · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

Usara wrote: »

Since the Beta, I thought ESO was nothing like an Elder Scrolls (I played a bit of Daggerfall and Oblivion, and Morrowind and Skyrim extensively - and each at their own time release)

I am surprised to see modders of the series actually feel like ESO is a true ES. Well, it it would not be the first time I've been wrong/in denial
Maybe it's just because I don't play MMO and single player the same way at all, so I can't get the same feels ^_^

But I guess some people actually nailed it : it is an Elder Scrolls spin off, and not part of the series.

And why it can't be a part of the series? Not every TES game was developed by the same team with the same engine and writers or concept design individuals. It carries the name Bethesda to each of them and the similarities try to keep to the lore(or maybe they don't!) so I don't see why ESO story and plot can't make it to be a part of the next TES games, in fact, it seems clear that they want to explore all the markets they can, and unite the end results(THE HORROR, THE HORROR) as a means of making the next title the most successful one doesn't matter what it takes. If we demand lore, then lore we'll get. They will bundle every TES game ESO included in a hundred books(most of them seen in previous titles), and sparsely spread out comments about it along with some plot involving political struggle and the threat of the Daedra as it has always been. The only reason I see people complaining about it being too far from any TES game is the system mechanics itself, and ESO has too much of MMO cliches, to be honest. These(hopefully) will be gone with the next single player/co-op release.

Thybrinena · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

Of course it is. 1

Ritzey01 · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

It IS an Elder Scrolls game, so yes, it should be counted as such.

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

Seraseth wrote: »

It really depends,

If you consider the lore and the world what makes an ES game, then obviously, yes it is.

If you consider common gameplay elements and functionality what makes an ES game, then it's somewhat less so, lacking the be everything and open world aspects that were key in every other ES game.

But yes, I still consider it to be an ES game. Just a different spin off style.

But if we take gameplay features as a main factor, them which game should be taken as a "perfect" one?
Because many things have changed from Morrowind to Skyrim, for example, and even more if you compare Skyrim to Daggerfall...

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

Shunravi wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

I tried to play ESO like I played skyrim...as in 1st person POV and exploring and getting lost.

but yeaaaaah, it's just like playing pretend. It doesn't feel like skyrim did for me. It's an MMO with elder scrolls lore, but not as much of the sense of discovery and world immersion.

I honestly think if they make an elder scrolls 6 and it is great, then people will look back at this game and say it was just making money off the license.

What if TES6 wont be like Skyrim?
Its all a matter of preference, you know. For me, Skyrim was the least immersive TES game.

Same.

Oh, and in response to your other post, something i always found funny if i got archmage before grey fox in oblivion, was 'stealing' the staff from the foot of my own archmage bed and then having the letter get delivered in which i am outraged at taking 'my own' things (game mechanics and whatnot asside). Sure it makes some sense as anonimity in the thieves guild is assumed, but it was good for laughs.

Haha I had the same on my first Oblivion character

Was very awkward.

Volkodav · April 2016

No, ESO is nothing like an Elder Scrolls game.

Damn it,I hit the wrong dot,and my vote went wrong.
I meant to say that yes,I think it is an Elder Scrolls game. Just not anywhere mean what the other TES games are like.Its ES because of the references only and the lore books,etc.Not in any way does it look or act like the other games.
Sadly,at times.

Callous2208 · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

baldguy50 wrote: »

I just started ESO a month ago and am enjoying, but not nearly as much as Oblivion and Skyrim.

ESO has the Elder Scrolls stories and locations and lore in it. However, the gameplay is not Elder Scrolls.
It doesn't have houses, no storage options, and not enough loot, the fast travel system sucks, and the revive system after you die sucks. I will play until I complete my Audiron stories and quests and main story, and then I'll probably quit unless they fix some of these problems I have with it.

Thanks.

You confuse problems with features of an mmo friend. You're asking for fixes to problems that don't exist, just subtle differences in single player and mmo gameplay. The differences in sp and mmo games is quite shocking if you're new to the genre.

Seraseth · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

But if we take gameplay features as a main factor, them which game should be taken as a "perfect" one?
Because many things have changed from Morrowind to Skyrim, for example, and even more if you compare Skyrim to Daggerfall...

Which subsystems you enjoyed from which game is a subjective thing, but I think most people wouldn't be happy if the next ES was a linear rpg with no open world and fixed classes. I think there are a couple of core aspects to what ES games are.

Objectively, the core parts of gameplay that remained consistent throughout the series was the open world exploration, the ability to level all your skills and be anything, and the ability to join all the factions (though you did have to choose between houses in morrowind).

Of those, eso only has the last one, the ability for anyone to join mages, fighters, thieves, and (soon to be added) dark brotherhood.

Personally, I find the gameplay diminished from Morrowind through to Skyrim. Less skills, less stats, less story and guild quests, removing the different swing styles, removing skill requirements from guilds, etc. All it gained in return was better graphics and some quality of life improvements (like not having to open plants like a container to loot them, or having one continuous jumbled journal like you did in Morrowind)

Usara · April 2016

No, ESO is nothing like an Elder Scrolls game.

Lysette wrote: »

Usara wrote: »

Since the Beta, I thought ESO was nothing like an Elder Scrolls (I played a bit of Daggerfall and Oblivion, and Morrowind and Skyrim extensively - and each at their own time release)

I am surprised to see modders of the series actually feel like ESO is a true ES. Well, it it would not be the first time I've been wrong/in denial
Maybe it's just because I don't play MMO and single player the same way at all, so I can't get the same feels ^_^

But I guess some people actually nailed it : it is an Elder Scrolls spin off, and not part of the series.

I don't know why you think that - go back 1000 years in the real world - and earth would feel like a quite alien place to be at.

Edit: and from there go back another 1000 years - and the world is again very different - with running water in homes and floor heating even, a working sewer system - things they do not have 1000 years later.

And I don't know why you would bring that up

I never said it was because the world doesn't look like the one in the series

I actually didn't explain at all why I thought it had nothing of an ES tbh

Though, yeah I'll admit, some things in the world online rubs me the wrong way (1000 years certainly explain why the towns would look different, even though in some case - like Riften - I'm not convinced, but we all have our point of view, no problem

) like the geography : Tamriel in ESO looks like Belgium, a flat land.

The main reason I don't fell like in an ES game is that exploration doesn't take a big place in ESO. Everything feels really linear, some quests feels like mandatory (I know they are not for a lot of people, but still), like some said before, the way classes and skills are designed feel not ES-like - not because they are defined, but because most magick and spells look like most regular MMO : each class have access to those spells and that's all.
Where are the different magick schools ? I mean, even if each classes stayed as they are now, why not say "NB's cloak is an Illusion spell" "Elemental circle is a destruction spell" "Sorc's streak is a mysticism spell " "temp' breath of life is restoration"...
It's not much, and yet that would have changed a lot - at least for me - how ESO fit in the ES universe.
And let's not talk about dwemer. Looks like 1000 years before Skyrim, every mage and their mother can make a pokeball out of dwemer automatons.

But like I said, it's not because I don't think it's an ES that it isn't. Like Fallout 3 and next are not real Fallout for me, like Knights of the Old Republic wasn't a real Star Wars game for others (while it was for me

)

waterfairy · April 2016

No, ESO is nothing like an Elder Scrolls game.

Goldie wrote: »

No spell crafting,

The real Elder Scrolls no longer has that either so why should ZoS?

My TES love brought me to this game but it doesn't have TES soul...not a bad game but not a TES game.

aldriq · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

It completely feels part of the series to me. You can discuss differences in mechanics or how many atronachs can dance on the head of a pin all day. Ultimately the only fundamental difference between TESO and pre-TESO games is people around you. I do like seeing people around me for the most part, though I understand it's a matter of preference. And you do need as much suspension of disbelief in the eerily quiet pre-TESO games as in seven-chosen-ones-queueing-to-the-same-quest TESO.

Volkodav · April 2016

No, ESO is nothing like an Elder Scrolls game.

Seraseth wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

But if we take gameplay features as a main factor, them which game should be taken as a "perfect" one?
Because many things have changed from Morrowind to Skyrim, for example, and even more if you compare Skyrim to Daggerfall...

Which subsystems you enjoyed from which game is a subjective thing, but I think most people wouldn't be happy if the next ES was a linear rpg with no open world and fixed classes. I think there are a couple of core aspects to what ES games are.

Objectively, the core parts of gameplay that remained consistent throughout the series was the open world exploration, the ability to level all your skills and be anything, and the ability to join all the factions (though you did have to choose between houses in morrowind).

Of those, eso only has the last one, the ability for anyone to join mages, fighters, thieves, and (soon to be added) dark brotherhood.

Personally, I find the gameplay diminished from Morrowind through to Skyrim. Less skills, less stats, less story and guild quests, removing the different swing styles, removing skill requirements from guilds, etc. All it gained in return was better graphics and some quality of life improvements (like not having to open plants like a container to loot them, or having one continuous jumbled journal like you did in Morrowind)

I am with you in that from Morrowind to Skyrim,the gameplay was very diminished. If they just went back and took a good look at Morrowind,then took what was best from it to add to ESO,we'd have one he-ll of a game.
We DO have a great game,dont get me wrong,but it would be so much better with the world being open without zone boundaries,and when you get in tight spot with an enemy above you,either fight it out or run,as you choose to.
And let me climb those high mountains and cliffs like I did in MW.
That,..and give me back my cliff racers without messing up their unique screeing sounds!

Korah_Eaglecry · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

Goldie wrote: »

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

I LOVE the lore.

I LOVE the gameplay.

For me, this is a win-win.

YMMV.

Yes, but none of that has anything to do with if the game should fall into the same class as an Elder Scrolls game. I love this game too btw.

Who the hell are you to say that?

WalkingLegacy · April 2016

No, ESO is nothing like an Elder Scrolls game.

ESO is on the rails linear gameplay against TES open world RPG.

ESO has a structured RNG loot system and Skyrim is loot what you see.

Your choices in TES can change the outcome of the story in later game. Or things you decide can warp the game world later.

I could go on, but they're vastly different for sure. ESO is trying hard to not be a "traditional MMO" while still clearly being a "traditional MMO".

Callous2208 · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

ESO is on the rails linear gameplay against TES open world RPG.

ESO has a structured RNG loot system and Skyrim is loot what you see.

Your choices in TES can change the outcome of the story in later game. Or things you decide can warp the game world later.

I could go on, but they're vastly different for sure. ESO is trying hard to not be a "traditional MMO" while still clearly being a "traditional MMO".

I don't disagree with what you have said but this poll is pointless. There is no certain criteria that needs to be met to be considered an ES game. They have titled It Elder Scrolls Online and used the same world, lore, ect. It's an ES game. Whether or not people enjoy the mmo aspect and changes that came with it, is irrelevant.

Vals_Fan · April 2016

Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.

Well I would say yes and no. It is clearly not like the single player games, mostly in ways that must be different because it is an MMO. But that is the trick, it is an MMO, and they are a very different creature. I can say that when I am playing the world definitely feels like Tamriel, the stories are pretty great (nitpicking at inconsistencies aside), many characters are pretty memorable and so on. It does lack a great deal of what makes the single player games great, but I am honestly not sure how they would have done that while still making the game enjoyable and accessible to the average MMO player.

The one thing that does bother me in terms of not feeling like an Elder Scolls game are the classes. I mean what were they thinking with this one? The system could in fact work almost exactly the way it already does, except they should have made all skills/spells etc. available to everyone at the word go, then build. All I can think is that they wanted to keep diversity knowing that if everyone had the same skills, healer x build would always be the same "best" one and so on. Still, they could have worked on this one and made sure several choices were viable.

All things considered it was hard for me to vote one way or the other, but I decided on yes because it does do quite a few things right. I am playing toons I created in Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim (a couple I played in all 3), and doing things with them I always envisioned them doing but never could (healing other people a lot, crafting items). So this game does offer an experience that feels "Elder Scrollsy". I do still eagerly anticipate new single player ES games, but they wouldn't stop me enjoying this game.

P.S. They do really need to work on getting this game more stable though, it can be a serious pain in the butt to keep it working and performing well.

vyrusb23 · April 2016

Goldie wrote: »

Basically what we have is a cut rate MMO with an Elder Scrolls skin and lore pulled over the top.

If there are so many MMOs that are better than this one, and you consider this one to be "cut rate" why are you even here?

Volkodav · April 2016

No, ESO is nothing like an Elder Scrolls game.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Goldie wrote: »

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

I LOVE the lore.

I LOVE the gameplay.

For me, this is a win-win.

YMMV.

Yes, but none of that has anything to do with if the game should fall into the same class as an Elder Scrolls game. I love this game too btw.

Who the hell are you to say that?

Goldie is a member of these forums and has the right to voice her opinion.That's who she is.