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Do you think ESO should be considered an "Elder Scrolls" game?
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There arent many aspects of ESO that resemble what we all know as the "true" Elder Scrolls games, aside from the races and locales. No spell crafting, we are locked to choosing predetermined classes, no housing, no world pvp or just going where we want. The Elder Scrolls games have always been open world, not... this. Basically what we have is a cut rate MMO with an Elder Scrolls skin and lore pulled over the top.
Do you think that ESO should be considered an "Elder Scrolls" game?
Edited by Goldie on April 11, 2016 6:49AM Do you think that ESO should be considered an "Elder Scrolls" game?
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Do you think ESO should be considered an "Elder Scrolls" game? 317 votes
Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.
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No, ESO is nothing like an Elder Scrolls game.
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milesrodneymcneely2_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.I LOVE the lore.
I LOVE the gameplay.
For me, this is a win-win.
YMMV.
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Goldie✭✭✭✭✭No, ESO is nothing like an Elder Scrolls game.KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Lore? yes. Gameplay? Not really...
Oh absolutely the story. It does follow along pretty well with established lore, but is nothing like a traditional Elder Scrolls game. No question about it."Wood Elves aren't made of wood. Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves" - M'aiq the Liar5 -
Goldie✭✭✭✭✭No, ESO is nothing like an Elder Scrolls game.milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »I LOVE the lore.
I LOVE the gameplay.
For me, this is a win-win.
YMMV.
Yes, but none of that has anything to do with if the game should fall into the same class as an Elder Scrolls game. I love this game too btw."Wood Elves aren't made of wood. Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves" - M'aiq the Liar3 -
Fruitmass✭✭✭✭It is in terms of setting but it's definitely more along the lines of a spin off.Edited by Fruitmass on April 11, 2016 5:37PMBeware all ye who log on for here there be typos...6 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Just because this game has features others of the series do not doesn't make it so astranged you know. After all there wasn't a single aspect of gameplay all 5 TES games contained. If there is it is very few.
ESO does contain many references and similarities to other TES games. That alone makes it canon in my book.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on April 11, 2016 7:08AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Leradis✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.2 -
ChrissR✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.There arent many aspects of ESO that resemble what we all know as the "true" Elder Scrolls games, aside from the races and locales. No spell crafting, we are locked to choosing predetermined classes, no housing, no world pvp or just going where we want. The Elder Scrolls games have always been open world, not... this. Basically what we have is a cut rate MMO with an Elder Scrolls skin and lore pulled over the top.
Do you think that ESO should be considered an "Elder Scrolls" game?
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NovaMarx✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.No ES game is the same. Each game has had different focus areas, skills, story, gameplay, combat, etc.. Therefore, I don't really see any huge reason why ESO should not be considered part of the original series. I think they've actually been pretty smart in making ESO set before the other ES games, as it doesn't have to follow the singleplayer games 100%."Feet are for walking. Hands are for hitting. Or shaking. Or waving. Sometimes for clapping."
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Scipion87Soul ShrivenYes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.Do you think world of wacraft should be considered as a warcraft game ?
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.Pretty much any TES game has different game mechanics - what is common to those is found to big part in ESO as well. The races were not consistent in TES - compare for example Orcs, originally not really suited to magic, but in Skyrim they suddenly show a talent for enchantments. In Oblivion there were gender-specific talents even, which allowed for example an Argonian female to become a talented sorceress, while the male had the original talents of the Argonian race - and so on. Seen from the looks the races are similar in each TES game, but in their abilities they differ quite a lot from each other. So as well in ESO, again those are different. But what is common is clearly Elder Scrolls - so I consiuder ESO an online Elder Scrolls game.3 -
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✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.Yes, without a shadow of a doubt. A spin-off Elder Scrolls game, but even so. It's a new developer, a different approach, but still an adventure in the same world - just like Redguard, Battlespire or TES Travels, which I also consider Elder Scrolls games. Now, we could argue if ESO is a good Elder Scrolls game, but that's a whole different discussion.
*snorts* Yes, because that's such a staple of the Elder Scrolls series...no world pvpEdited by Rosveen on April 11, 2016 8:43AM5 -
kendellking_chaosb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, ESO is nothing like an Elder Scrolls game.Do you think world of wacraft should be considered as a warcraft game ?
lol ....
Warcraft and World of Warcraft follows the same lore the Land and events in ESO are just flat wrong. Their are things in ESO lore that shouldn't happen for a few hundred years.
The Dragon Break can't wash away landscapes, races and mountains. I have played this series for 16 years I don't like them all. Their were expansions and DLC that I liked and some I don't but I read all the book so I know a thing or two about this World pre and post Arena. I own nearly all the extra content, parts of this game is golden but then you get to the cheap MMO BS that's not Elder Scrolls material and makes little to no sense.
I'm fine with having classes and the limited range of powers outside of classes. But you can't have an Elder Scrolls game that both had classes and let you do it all. In the games with classes their was content like guilds, quest, trades and powers you couldn't do cause of your class mages and Fighters in the same guild in a free for all like Skyrim yes, in a class based Morrowind no.
The Elder Scrolls freedom can be mixed with a MMO format but not like this from Day one the game has been unfinished without a clear concept by the mass number a core changes to classes and powers.Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
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Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.
That's not really true. Morrowind had pseudo-classes: even though only your class skills contributed to level increases, you could still master every skill in the game. You could become absurdly powerful. As for guilds, only the Great Houses and vampire clans forced you to choose one of the three. All other organizations were open to you (there were a few internal conflicts, but with workarounds).kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »I'm fine with having classes and the limited range of powers outside of classes. But you can't have an Elder Scrolls game that both had classes and let you do it all. In the games with classes their was content like guilds, quest, trades and powers you couldn't do cause of your class mages and Fighters in the same guild in a free for all like Skyrim yes, in a class based Morrowind no.Edited by Rosveen on April 11, 2016 9:19AM3 -
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✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.I am not talking about the current tutorial, but for those of us who remember the original Wailing Prison tutorial, if you played that in "First Person View" you would immediately recognise this game to be an Elder Scrolls game, if you played AD even more so since Auridon really captures that dreamy magical feeling. ( similar to Oblivion ) They completely nailed the fantasy effect...
Now you meet Razum'Dar early on and have fun, you see mud crabs oh wait what's this? A Giant portal in the sky ( loud horn ) and Daedra descend... ( similar to Oblivion gates or Skyrim Dragon fights ).
What's this a locked door, let me lockpick it ( this interface looks familiar )
Sure OP you have a point totally nothing like Elder Scrolls ... ( OH WAIT this sentence is sarcasm )
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kendellking_chaosb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, ESO is nothing like an Elder Scrolls game.
That's not really true. Morrowind had pseudo-classes: even though only your class skills contributed to level increases, you could still master every skill in the game. You could become absurdly powerful. As for guilds, only the Great Houses and vampire clans forced you to choose one of the three. All other organizations were open to you (there were a few internal conflicts, but with workarounds).kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »I'm fine with having classes and the limited range of powers outside of classes. But you can't have an Elder Scrolls game that both had classes and let you do it all. In the games with classes their was content like guilds, quest, trades and powers you couldn't do cause of your class mages and Fighters in the same guild in a free for all like Skyrim yes, in a class based Morrowind no.
You could be absurdly powerful with all the solo games with any build. Limits on what you could do like crafting and who you can join like guild makes sense if you limit players to classes.
So I can't control Daedric forces on my Nightblade fair enough, but as an Archer enchanting should be out of reach along with joining the Mage's Guild. If you can't use other class powers you should have other guild and power limits.Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.I am not talking about the current tutorial, but for those of us who remember the original Wailing Prison tutorial, if you played that in "First Person View" you would immediately recognise this game to be an Elder Scrolls game, if you played AD even more so since Auridon really captures that dreamy magical feeling. ( similar to Oblivion ) They completely nailed the fantasy effect...
Now you meet Razum'Dar early on and have fun, you see mud crabs oh wait what's this? A Giant portal in the sky ( loud horn ) and Daedra descend... ( similar to Oblivion gates or Skyrim Dragon fights ).
What's this a locked door, let me lockpick it ( this interface looks familiar )
Sure OP you have a point totally nothing like Elder Scrolls ... ( OH WAIT this sentence is sarcasm )
The only thing I hated was that we can't use bows the same way we can in other E.S. games...
Well, some of the comments from Gina in the live shows sounded as if poison crafting and using it on weapons might be in the making - I have some hope that we will see this coming in the near future.0 -
ChrissR✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.No ES game is the same. Each game has had different focus areas, skills, story, gameplay, combat, etc.. Therefore, I don't really see any huge reason why ESO should not be considered part of the original series. I think they've actually been pretty smart in making ESO set before the other ES games, as it doesn't have to follow the singleplayer games 100%.
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theher0not✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.Probably. It takes place in TES universe and shares lore. Gameplay can chage. Only reason for it to not be considered an TES game is that bethedta didn't make it. But for me that isn't enough since the same compamy owns both zos and bethesta0
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No, ESO is nothing like an Elder Scrolls game.Viewing the vote, I feel those who voted yes never played an Elder Scrolls game !
- Combat is nice but... The main characteristic of an Elder Scroll is : it's meant to be played in first person view !
- An Elder Scrolls game is a big zone with no collision walls inside. If ESO had been an Elder Scrolls game, it would have had 3 zones real time loaded...And big walls around each saying "you cannot go there"
- You can play the way you want : as it was announced at start there should be no class but only archetypes (gameplay style). There should have been one of each trinity skill line in each archetype. because an real Elder Scrolls game has no trinity. This is not the case anymore.
- Races should not give you real advantage whatever the role/archetype you choose.
- The game should be playable without compass : I see some npc not spawning for entire seconds (sometime more that 15s)... on me because I'm at the right place. an Elder Scrolls game have no npc lags
- I'm sure there are many other things but I'm hungry
Edited by kawazu874b16_ESO on April 11, 2016 10:10AM1 -
Bossdonut✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.It's lacking a boobs, pantyhose and heels mod but yeah it is
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.It's lacking a boobs, pantyhose and heels mod but yeah it is
ZOS is modding body shapes with pretty much any costume - just look at the Altmer hero armor. My tall and slender altmer looks like a barrel in this armor and all the features are oversized and out of place. I did not buy this crap.
Edit: and even worse is the hood - while the normal altmer hood is supporting the slender and elegant look of an altmer character, the hood of the hero armor is rounded with lots of unnecessary space in the cheek area, which makes my altmer look bloated. Why they did not just use the normal slender altmer hood is not understandable. And then the boobs area - wtf - bloated boobs and bloated waist line and too small hips.Edited by Lysette on April 11, 2016 10:21AM0 -
Marrtha✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.Y'all are forgetting this is an MMORPG.
It will not be an FPS, it requires balancing, it requires you to be connected to a server. So yes, there is 3rd person view, there is a lot of ability-related issues, and connection issues. ESO as an MMO does not cater certain players' need for things other MMOs might have or the need for things that they have seen in SINGLE PLAYER GAMES *cough* balancing *cough* (examples of these things include but are not limited to spell crafting, predetermined classes, housing, world pvp).
Now personally, I enjoy this game. The mood is good and gloomy, darkness is crispy, the quests are fun etc etc. There is still a lot of things that can be improved, of course, there always is, but that does not mean that this game shouldn't be called Elder Scrolls. Your disappointment should be redirected to other places, not the title of the game.Edited by Marrtha on April 11, 2016 10:17AMUse @Marrtha when replying!1 -
Bossdonut✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.It's lacking a boobs, pantyhose and heels mod but yeah it is
ZOS is modding body shapes with pretty much any costume - just look at the Altmer hero armor. My tall and slender altmer looks like a barrel in this armor and all the features are oversized and out of place. I did not buy this crap.
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Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.According the quality of visuals, the affinity to outfit styles, general game mechanics and the existing solo content which came up within the last two DLCs, I would vote yes.
As a true MMO it should be different (...and in some other sort different as the thread opener mentioned; my guess is, that the TO would not like the changes for a true MMO).
In its current state it's some sort of hybrid. I like it nevertheless, but some more group content (especially 4-man-instances) wouldn't hurt.
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.It's lacking a boobs, pantyhose and heels mod but yeah it is
ZOS is modding body shapes with pretty much any costume - just look at the Altmer hero armor. My tall and slender altmer looks like a barrel in this armor and all the features are oversized and out of place. I did not buy this crap.
Still no pantyhose
If you would be a woman you would not want to have pantyhose anywhere - not in real life and not in a game. These are one of the most unpractical things ever invented and they look horrible on top of it.Edited by Lysette on April 11, 2016 10:27AM0 -
Bossdonut✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.It's lacking a boobs, pantyhose and heels mod but yeah it is
ZOS is modding body shapes with pretty much any costume - just look at the Altmer hero armor. My tall and slender altmer looks like a barrel in this armor and all the features are oversized and out of place. I did not buy this crap.
Still no pantyhose
If you would be a woman you would not want to have pantyhose anywhere - not in real life and not in a game. These are one of the most unpractical things ever invented and they look horrible on top of it.
Well they give me a ***0 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO should be considered an Elder Scrolls game.Lore is definitely Elder Scrolls. World is definitely Elder Scrolls. Quests are definitely Elder Scrolls.
The only real things that are not Elder Scrolls are the classes and skills.
If I have to say ESO is not Elder Scrolls based on that, then I also have to say that Skyrim is not.
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Ruben✭✭✭✭✭kawazu874b16_ESO wrote: »Viewing the vote, I feel those who voted yes never played an Elder Scrolls game !
- Combat is nice but... The main characteristic of an Elder Scroll is : it's meant to be played in first person view !
- An Elder Scrolls game is a big zone with no collision walls inside. If ESO had been an Elder Scrolls game, it would have had 3 zones real time loaded...And big walls around each saying "you cannot go there"
- You can play the way you want : as it was announced at start there should be no class but only archetypes (gameplay style). There should have been one of each trinity skill line in each archetype. because an real Elder Scrolls game has no trinity. This is not the case anymore.
- Races should not give you real advantage whatever the role/archetype you choose.
- The game should be playable without compass : I see some npc not spawning for entire seconds (sometime more that 15s)... on me because I'm at the right place. an Elder Scrolls game have no npc lags
- I'm sure there are many other things but I'm hungry
Buddy, you're confusing "Elder Scrolls" with "single player game".DK Stamina DPS
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✭✭✭✭✭Only the devs and people who make the games and own the Elder Scrolls property can define what makes a "true" Elder Scrolls game.
This particular title is Elder Scrolls as an MMO. Not a single player Elder Scrolls game.
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