BlackEar wrote: »

Darkshade Caverns is just.. annoying..
Last boss is a pain in the ass because healers are just running around not understanding who to heal and the melee DPS just stands in a corner crying.

But the worst by far is the netch. Even with a burn team that fights takes long because the mobs have to spawn before you can down them.

Grobull - AOE the adds to get the boss on ground- use ultis and single target dps when it falls down. Stay out from red circles when Grobull is up. With decent dps you need to get boss on ground only 2 times to finish it off.

Last boss- you follow the boss, not running away from it. During red phase, dodgeroll out from the red circles and nuke the boss. Green phase - nuke the boss (who has vigor or other heal, can use that too if teams health drops too low). Blue phase-kill the adds first and then nuke the boss. Everyone needs to do ranged DPS. If you go melee, you get some fire to the face and you die. No tank is actually required for that dungeon.
And whats important, stay together.
It takes couple of runs to understand what needs to be done, its actually really easy dungeon (also, random group = pita to finish gold).

Most annoying boss: WGT-planar (from tank´s point of view), probably gear/l2p issue but I have serious trouble killing the portals.

Tough choices:

- Praxin and his Magicka Drain and Circles of Doom
- Darkshade Dwemer Automatons before the final boss
- Planar Inhibitor vWGT
- Blackheart Haven, Skeleton polymorph

My main picks

Anything that makes me tank something without damaging it. Annoying as a NB or Templar tank.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

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Weird, my team had to pug a FPS last night too. He was also a hard casting sorc, not vet but close (level and name omitted intentionally). He was using the AoE morph and spamming it. I was wondering if it did comparable dps, till I dropped barrier to watch him for a sec lol.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

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Weird, my team had to pug a FPS last night too. He was also a hard casting sorc, not vet but close (level and name omitted intentionally). He was using the AoE morph and spamming it. I was wondering if it did comparable dps, till I dropped barrier to watch him for a sec lol.

@docfrost
Um was he by any chance an argonian...say v15ish on Xbox one NA Ebonheart????

BlackEar wrote: »

Darkshade Caverns is just.. annoying..
Last boss is a pain in the ass because healers are just running around not understanding who to heal and the melee DPS just stands in a corner crying.

But the worst by far is the netch. Even with a burn team that fights takes long because the mobs have to spawn before you can down them.

I would have laughed if this statement wouldn't give such an amazing but also sad insight in the usual play style of some stamina build players in ESO PvE...

Some thoughts:

-I saw stamina melee players who fought the last Boss in melee range, but ok, those were players with an amazing ability of movement control and knowledge about the encounter mechanic. If you are able to whirl around the boss especially in the fire phase, evade his front AE and the red circles by doing dps simultanously, you have my respect.

...otherwise get a bow and use melee just to burn down the Dwemer Spheres ? MMOs depend on the ability that people may be able to adapt to encounter mechanics and group play, not the other way round.

-ESO has an "intelligent" healing system, it will always heal the one with the least health. Healing does not prevent dumb players killing themselves by ignoring red stupid or people who kill themselves because they have no idea about the encounter mechanics and just think it's a wise idea to spread out as a group as far as possible instead of visiting that nice Healing Springs circle around the healer in the poison phase.

The netch can be annoying if your dps sucks, otherwise it's a pretty fast fight, where you have to down him twice, maybe thrice at max.

Two DDs with a twohanded weapon equipped might be not the best setup für doing the adds though...

In the last two weeks where I did a lot of gold and silver daylies random again I got the Impression that pick up groups got much better as in my experience half a year or a year ago. Ok, most gold daylies are old content, so it should be doable by time.

Flameheart wrote: »

I would love to see more spiders. We already have those little spider cannibals which suck up their buddies to gain health again. Imagine such mobs in bigger dimensions and a group without any skill to Interrupt on their skill bars :-)

"Crushing Shock is meh, because Force Pulse does more dps!"

Block bash works well for an interrupt and is available to all.

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Any mechanic where you are helpless and have to rely on someone to free you or you die.

Personally I think these have their place and are used well, as in not over used. Reason I like these is the dungeons are meant to be a group effort and you should be able to rely on your team mates (of course pugs can have difficulty with these, especially if they refuse to communicate) but overall I think these are a good idea.

Soriana wrote: »

I have a mediocre dps setup to back up my tank main (pure tank, not hybrid at all). I switch out to my two handed dps set up and use rally, critical rush, and executioner. Because my stam is so high, and regen as well, the setup works really well to kill the portals fast. I still don't take them out as fast as dps but it works for me. Then I can just switch back to my tank setup for the rest of the dungeon.

What is your armour set up pls. I wanna try run this dung again

sickboy2808 wrote: »

Amachie wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

Darkshade Caverns is just.. annoying..
Last boss is a pain in the ass because healers are just running around not understanding who to heal and the melee DPS just stands in a corner crying.

But the worst by far is the netch. Even with a burn team that fights takes long because the mobs have to spawn before you can down them.

Grobull - AOE the adds to get the boss on ground- use ultis and single target dps when it falls down. Stay out from red circles when Grobull is up. With decent dps you need to get boss on ground only 2 times to finish it off.

Last boss- you follow the boss, not running away from it. During red phase, dodgeroll out from the red circles and nuke the boss. Green phase - nuke the boss (who has vigor or other heal, can use that too if teams health drops too low). Blue phase-kill the adds first and then nuke the boss. Everyone needs to do ranged DPS. If you go melee, you get some fire to the face and you die. No tank is actually required for that dungeon.
And whats important, stay together.
It takes couple of runs to understand what needs to be done, its actually really easy dungeon (also, random group = pita to finish gold).

Most annoying boss: WGT-planar (from tank´s point of view), probably gear/l2p issue but I have serious trouble killing the portals.

That for me as well. I only tried once and could not get the portals closed because as u said we are TANKS. Its a stupid mechanic for us and the reason i havent completed that dung

Either get a DD equip as tank or play the "tank down" tactic.

Most tanks I know have some sort of DD equip already for personal solo play. You need not be the super hero DD, just getting down your portals is already enough. Adding 5k-10k dps to kill the Planar Inhibitor is helpful too. The rest of the job does outfitter and swaps continued and your DDs. As a nightblade I am able to play full tank, full DD and full heal by just switching gear and skill bars...without changing anything about CPs, mundus or attribute points. I always wonder where the problem might be here...a gear set in epic quaility should be already sufficient when it just comes to kill portals and add some dps. Oh and get a ranged dd gear setup (28m main damage skill you rely on preferably), melee will be too slow.

"tank down" is nothing else as that the tank has aggro from the inhibitor the whole time til he dies due to the DoT that becomes unhealable. Die near an outer wall of the room, so the one in the middle who takes over aggro by using the lock has a good range while he runs into the other direction. Another one has portal phase, the last one needs to rez asap. If your dps is really good, the tank-down-tactic changes into a "tank-down-without-tank-down-tactic" (personal TS running gag in my guild), because you are able to reset the boss DoT on the tank and the "blue aura" fast enough.

The issue with this tactic is, that in that time where the tank is rezzed and runs to the lock in the middle to take over aggro again, he might get a portal phase.

The Planar Inhibitor seems to have an exotic encounter mechanic, but as with all mechanics in ESO...as more dps as easier it gets. I still can't understand for example, why there are healers or tanks without warhorn slotted for one of the two ultimate slots. If both tank and healer have that slotted, you may be able to fire it four times in that encounter. The dps increase is massive if your DDs know what to do with it. To get warhorn in PvP may cost a few hours of platime in Cyrodiil nowadays...

Gruffleton wrote: »

WGT - The Adjudicator - the jail cells. I hate lockpicking when I'm on fire.

you know you can gap close out of them easily right? Just need an add to target, and bam you are out. Don't know if it was always like this but it has been since TG- I usually ran healer in the past and had someone else force the lock while I kept them alive. Toppling charge, Crit Rush, Chains, (whatever the NB gap closer is called)....they all work to get you out of the cage in a flash with no annoying lock picking

Autolycus wrote: »

Personally, for me it's actually Lord Warden.... and I can't really say a single mechanic that irritates me most. Between portals that patrol over the center (guaranteed death for anyone doing the mechanics properly, if it "happens" to be there too), the "chain gun" phase that I can get in front of (as the tank) and "wiggle" as much as I want, but it will still go to some other person sometimes, or the stupid *&)#%) orbs whose sole purpose is to grind your gears. The nerd rage is real with this one! #nerdrage

No, the Portal Feedback mechanic is a punishment for failures at "doing the mechanics properly". If everyone makes it into the portals, there should be no portals left on the ground to fall into.

• If someone fails the portal mechanic by falling prematurely, not only do they use up half a portal, but they also risk falling into a portal and getting Portal Feedback.
• If someone fails to jump into a portal during a Darklight Burst, their portal will not be used up and will remain as a Portal Feedback hazard for the others in the group.
• Jumping into a portal to reset it is risky: a new portal might not spawn in time, or you might get Portal Feedback on the fall, but in certain situations, it's worth the risk (e.g., resetting a leftover portal right after a Darklight Burst is usually safe to do). But of course, if nobody errs on the portal mechanic, you'd never have to do this.

That said, it is a very annoying mechanic, and I'm not a fan of it. But it's a mechanic that kicks in only if someone makes a mistake. If everyone does the mechanics perfectly, nobody would ever get a Portal Feedback death.

Amachie wrote: »

Most annoying boss: WGT-planar (from tank´s point of view), probably gear/l2p issue but I have serious trouble killing the portals.

If the tank is unable to do DPS, there is a way to do that fight with the tank actually being a tank.

1. Tank takes pinion at the start of the fight.
2. Nobody else should touch the pinion.
3. When she enters the blue phase, tank starts to kite the boss to the edge.
4. After someone gets portals during the blue phase, take the pinion away from the tank and start doing the normal blue-phase alternating pinion strategy.
5. When she exits blue phase, tank retakes the pinion, and we repeat this cycle all over again.

The reason this works is that portals never go to the person currently holding the pinion. (Of course, it is possible to have both portals and pinion, if there are too many dead team members and nobody else to give portals to, or if you take the pinion after receiving portals. But, under normal circumstances, if you take the pinion before portal assignments, you will not get portal duty.)

This is somewhat similar to the "tank down" strategy that @Flameheart posted earlier, except nobody is supposed to die in this strategy (you can get no-death runs with this). The key point is that you need people alternating on the pinions during the blue phase. Otherwise, people will die. But as long as the tank loses aggro after the blue phase portals have started, then the tank won't get portals, and once the blue phase has ended (which also resets the Heat Stroke DoT), the tank goes back to holding the pinion.

The most common mistake with this strategy is someone taking the pinion away from the tank before portals have been assigned. There is a brief window between the start of the blue phase and when the blue phase portals are assigned. If the pinion is taken away from the tank before the portal assignment, then the tank could get portals. So once the blue phase starts, the tank will need to kite the boss for several seconds.

The advantage of this strategy is that the tank gets to be a tank. No need to worry about DPS, and the DPS have less to worry about, too. In some ways, this is harder for the healer, as the tank will have a lot more Heat Stroke DoT, and the healer will need to babysit the tank. On the other hand, the tank is better equipped to deal with the Heat Stroke DoT than the DPS, and the DPS won't be getting much Heat Stroke (just a little bit when alternating during the blue phase), so the healer shouldn't have to worry about the DPS as much as before.

If I'm running with a tank who isn't comfortable with portal DPS, then I would recommend them doing this "tank should be a tank" strategy. If I'm the tank in vWGT, however, I'll switch to full DPS because the fight does go faster when you have 3 DPS.

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

The one with that *** that chains ya down Then ya find out ya teams got rubbish dps.

Healer with toppling charge will break the chains instantly. No need to even bother attacking them.

No longer works post-TG.

@TARAFRAKA I can say not, I play NA but on PC.

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

The one with that *** that chains ya down Then ya find out ya teams got rubbish dps.

Healer with toppling charge will break the chains instantly. No need to even bother attacking them.

No longer works post-TG.

Seriously? Haven't done fungal since then but Ffffffffffff zos.

Seriously. We were discussing this earlier as most of us found out the hard way, lol. Burn them suckers down fast or it's night, night these days.

Amachie wrote: »

gonna try out some builds today (mag gear with force pulse, 2h dps and normal tanking), lets see which works out the best

Soriana wrote: »

I have a mediocre dps setup to back up my tank main (pure tank, not hybrid at all). I switch out to my two handed dps set up and use rally, critical rush, and executioner. Because my stam is so high, and regen as well, the setup works really well to kill the portals fast. I still don't take them out as fast as dps but it works for me. Then I can just switch back to my tank setup for the rest of the dungeon.

Amachie wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

Darkshade Caverns is just.. annoying..
Most annoying boss: WGT-planar (from tank´s point of view), probably gear/l2p issue but I have serious trouble killing the portals.

Let me know how it works for you; people have a tendency to get upset...well, VERY upset...on that boss at the tank because of the portal phase. Knowing what you can do and adapting as best you can is all anyone can ask.