Magicka NB - Veil of Blades vs. Soul Tether

Mricci1988 · April 2016

Hey guys,

Looking at a PVE DPS for both solo and group use.

I love the idea of Veil of Blades (really suits my characters theme of a NB Blade Master) but i also appriciate the power of Soul Tether Stun + AoE + Heals.

My other ultimate is Dawnbreaker of Smiting.

I am focused on a DW melee magicka NB

Sunburnt_Penguin · April 2016

If Dawnbreaker doesn't increase Spell Damage then remove that if you're not against Deadra and use them both.

Switch to Veil for bosses otherwise you may not get the full use of the duration of it whereas Tether is instant.

mr_wazzabi · April 2016

Mricci1988 wrote: »

Hey guys,

Looking at a PVE DPS for both solo and group use.

I love the idea of Veil of Blades (really suits my characters theme of a NB Blade Master) but i also appriciate the power of Soul Tether Stun + AoE + Heals.

My other ultimate is Dawnbreaker of Smiting.

I am focused on a DW melee magicka NB

Level them both. Use veil for situations that you need protection. Use soul tether for times that you need more aoe burst damage.

Mricci1988 · April 2016

I will be fighting mostly Daedra so Dawnbreaker would be best.

I am a fresh character so my defensive skills are not that big right now.

What do you guys think?

mr_wazzabi · April 2016

Mricci1988 wrote: »

I will be fighting mostly Daedra so Dawnbreaker would be best.

I am a fresh character so my defensive skills are not that big right now.

What do you guys think?

You want all 3 of your nb ultimates maxed out. They all have their uses.
Assassination: soul harvest
Shadow: veil of blades
Siphoning: soul tether

Do your research and sub ultimates for the right situation.

Nestor · April 2016

Veil of Blades is a boss killer, at least those that don't move around that much. Use Cloak (forget the exact morph name but the one that makes the next attack a Critical), use the Cloak, then drop Veil and you get a nice Critical Boost and Crits on each DoT tick. Bosses just melt away.

I never liked Dawnbreaker myself as I never seem to be facing the mobs I want to use it against, I prefer circular AoE Ultimates. Dawnbreaker is also more of a Stamina skill, I slot Inner Light instead on magic based characters. There are FG Passives that increase damage against Daedra and Undead on all attacks, so you can use those. Of course this all depends on your preferred rotations.

Stannum · April 2016

as i said in enother topic

soul harvest - PvP skill
veil - good protection while damage skill
soul tether - wrong morph if you need burst DPS + CC - use meteor morph if you need burst healing - soul siphon is much better

WillhelmBlack · April 2016

Soul Tether for lots of targets and aoe stun
Soul Siphon for healing
Veil for boss fights where reduced damage is a must or.keeping your group alive whilst doing a ton of damage
Incap strike for single target and stun

That's 3 great ultis, take your pick you can't lose. Shame Sorcs and Templars don't get that kind of choice.

Only Dawnbreaker and Meteor can rival those.

code65536 · April 2016

Change your loadout depending on the situation. Each ultimate is optimal for different scenarios. I often change my ultimates between vMA stages. I will sometimes even change up my ultimates in the middle of a dungeon, depending on what I'm about to face next. There's no rule saying that you've gotta pick one and stick with it.

mr_wazzabi · April 2016

dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »

as i said in enother topic

soul harvest - PvP skill
veil - good protection while damage skill
soul tether - wrong morph if you need burst DPS + CC - use meteor morph if you need burst healing - soul siphon is much better

Soul harvest is good for both pvp and pve. It's an ultimate gainer for your trash mob aoe bar. Nothing beats having it slotted for ultimate.

mr_wazzabi · April 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Soul Tether for lots of targets and aoe stun
Soul Siphon for healing
Veil for boss fights where reduced damage is a must or.keeping your group alive whilst doing a ton of damage
Incap strike for single target and stun

That's 3 great ultis, take your pick you can't lose. Shame Sorcs and Templars don't get that kind of choice.

Only Dawnbreaker and Meteor can rival those.

Stun on inc strike is pointless, especially in pve. Soul harvest is better in every way. If I need to stun someone, I use fear. Inc strike is a horrible morph that needs to be buffed.

Soul harvest's ult gain allows ult spamming, especially when slotted on your aoe bar.

Mricci1988 · April 2016

This is GREAT info thank you guys.

So what i will do is have on my main DPS bar Dawnbreaker of Smiting since i will be planning on grinding Imperial City mobs for CP / Motiffs etc....

However for leveling purposes (1-50 / VR ranks) would you guys suggest then Veil of Blades or Soul Tether?

Please and thanks!

Matthew Ricci

Mricci1988 · April 2016

*Answered*

Afterlooking at both morophs I understand the primary differences now.

Soul Tether > Veil of Blades for PVP (Bigger initial hit + stun for both alliance guards & players plus PVP sustain)

Veil of Blades > Soul Tether for PVE (Effectively double the total damage done (assuming they are in the circle the entire time)

Autolycus · April 2016

Mricci1988 wrote: »

*Answered*

Afterlooking at both morophs I understand the primary differences now.

Soul Tether > Veil of Blades for PVP (Bigger initial hit + stun for both alliance guards & players plus PVP sustain)

Veil of Blades > Soul Tether for PVE (Effectively double the total damage done (assuming they are in the circle the entire time)

Pretty much this ^^

VoB is incredibly useful for sustained damage and mitigation in pve, but for dungeons I often find that it's usefulness is diminished, primarily because of the tendency for these fights to be very short. In a trial setting, however, VoB is usually on my off-bar (with meteor being my main ult for the magicka increase).

Xvorg · April 2016

dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »

as i said in enother topic

soul harvest - PvP skill
veil - good protection while damage skill
soul tether - wrong morph if you need burst DPS + CC - use meteor morph if you need burst healing - soul siphon is much better

How much does costs meteor? How much does costs soul tether?

Soul tether is one of the best ultis in game. In PVE you can spam it, the quickly switch to soul harvest bar to gain extra ulti, kill any remaining mob throug an AoE (sap essence), and then spam it again.

Autolycus · April 2016

Xvorg wrote: »

dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »

as i said in enother topic

soul harvest - PvP skill
veil - good protection while damage skill
soul tether - wrong morph if you need burst DPS + CC - use meteor morph if you need burst healing - soul siphon is much better

How much does costs meteor? How much does costs soul tether?

Soul tether is one of the best ultis in game. In PVE you can spam it, the quickly switch to soul harvest bar to gain extra ulti, kill any remaining mob throug an AoE (sap essence), and then spam it again.

Meteor - 200 ult
Soul Tether - 150 ult

I use this strategy that @Xvorg described in virtually all group PvE scenarios. I keep Soul Harvest on my AoE bar for quick ult buildup. I use meteor on my primary. I actually don't use Soul Tether in PvE that much anymore, because in most cases the lower cost of DB of Smiting means it can be used more frequently (such as on a pull-to-pull basis, considering trash dies almost instantly in a strong group) and it's full benefit is utilized, whereas in many cases, Soul Tether isn't even given enough time to get the full benefit from it.

Honestly, though, I've been leaning further and further to Shooting Star Lately (even for single-target fights), making use of Soul Harvest to help rebuild the ult quickly. Meteor is one of the strongest ults in the game, and even on trash pulls has a great deal of utility.

ryanborror · April 2016

Slot soul harvest on aoe bar for added crit, ultimate gain on kills, only use during execute phase on boss fights for extra damage on target. Drop soul tether on trash fights for added aoe. Use veil if you need more mitigation