GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

Then take a break for a bit play something else?

Not the solution bro....we want this game to do well...we really do...i don't think we would be here complaining that the game is broken or not functioning as advertised if we didn't care. I have in fact been playing another game on the side when i don't feel like playing this game, but that shouldn't be what i have to do. I really do like this game as I'm a huge fan of elder scrolls games...i enjoyed the story but my main focus is, and has been, pvp...going to play another game isn't what will fix this one...though it's apparently too little too late at this point as a lot of us are going to CU whenever beta is launched so there ya go...you can go back to white knighting zos while the rest of us aren't putting up with it anymore

The game is doing well. So cheer up

I'm wondering if you even pvp or have stepped foot into cyrodill...so you're saying being snared/rooted all the time, keep fights lasting for hours, nightblades pulling off one shots aoes with proxy soul tether VD alchemist combo, base movement speed nerfed, radiant destruction being spammed by every templar, forward camps enabling never ending fights is healthy? If you do then you're delusional.

Notice i never once mentioned lag, high latency, or people not rendering on screen...that in itself is enough to know something is wrong

You exaggerate a LOT guy. Like I said if this thing is causing you to sit at the KB foaming at mouth ranting then maybe its time to step away. All Im saying.

Soulac wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

Then take a break for a bit play something else?

Not the solution bro....we want this game to do well...we really do...i don't think we would be here complaining that the game is broken or not functioning as advertised if we didn't care. I have in fact been playing another game on the side when i don't feel like playing this game, but that shouldn't be what i have to do. I really do like this game as I'm a huge fan of elder scrolls games...i enjoyed the story but my main focus is, and has been, pvp...going to play another game isn't what will fix this one...though it's apparently too little too late at this point as a lot of us are going to CU whenever beta is launched so there ya go...you can go back to white knighting zos while the rest of us aren't putting up with it anymore

The game is doing well. So cheer up

How much does zos pay you?

LOL

Dude is so hardcore about ESO, he doesn't even play it himself to see the issues.

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

We will be playing the first cycle of betas but we aren't fulling jumping ship from eso until its actually a playable game, at this point we are probably just letting the hype get to us and we're to excited to skip the first betas. @GRxKnight

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

Then take a break for a bit play something else?

Not the solution bro....we want this game to do well...we really do...i don't think we would be here complaining that the game is broken or not functioning as advertised if we didn't care. I have in fact been playing another game on the side when i don't feel like playing this game, but that shouldn't be what i have to do. I really do like this game as I'm a huge fan of elder scrolls games...i enjoyed the story but my main focus is, and has been, pvp...going to play another game isn't what will fix this one...though it's apparently too little too late at this point as a lot of us are going to CU whenever beta is launched so there ya go...you can go back to white knighting zos while the rest of us aren't putting up with it anymore

The game is doing well. So cheer up

I'm wondering if you even pvp or have stepped foot into cyrodill...so you're saying being snared/rooted all the time, keep fights lasting for hours, nightblades pulling off one shots aoes with proxy soul tether VD alchemist combo, base movement speed nerfed, radiant destruction being spammed by every templar, forward camps enabling never ending fights is healthy? If you do then you're delusional.

Notice i never once mentioned lag, high latency, or people not rendering on screen...that in itself is enough to know something is wrong

You exaggerate a LOT guy. Like I said if this thing is causing you to sit at the KB foaming at mouth ranting then maybe its time to step away. All Im saying.

No I'm not exaggerating...tell me why all of those things are healthy for the game and then I'll believe you that the game is fine...until then congrats on the new position at zos as their forum PR person

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

We will be playing the first cycle of betas but we aren't fulling jumping ship from eso until its actually a playable game, at this point we are probably just letting the hype get to us and we're to excited to skip the first betas. @GRxKnight

@Ghost-Shot I'm just hoping that all the hype everyone talking about is actually worth it...i won't give up on this game right now...I'm still hoping that something will happen...but I'm not holding my breath

Your problem is you think the game is only Cyrodill. The game itself financially is doing well. Thats what I meant.

This is the alliance war section of the forums, Cyrodiil is what we care about and its not doing well, you can fangirl all you want but it doesn't change facts.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

Then take a break for a bit play something else?

Not the solution bro....we want this game to do well...we really do...i don't think we would be here complaining that the game is broken or not functioning as advertised if we didn't care. I have in fact been playing another game on the side when i don't feel like playing this game, but that shouldn't be what i have to do. I really do like this game as I'm a huge fan of elder scrolls games...i enjoyed the story but my main focus is, and has been, pvp...going to play another game isn't what will fix this one...though it's apparently too little too late at this point as a lot of us are going to CU whenever beta is launched so there ya go...you can go back to white knighting zos while the rest of us aren't putting up with it anymore

The game is doing well. So cheer up

I'm wondering if you even pvp or have stepped foot into cyrodill...so you're saying being snared/rooted all the time, keep fights lasting for hours, nightblades pulling off one shots aoes with proxy soul tether VD alchemist combo, base movement speed nerfed, radiant destruction being spammed by every templar, forward camps enabling never ending fights is healthy? If you do then you're delusional.

Notice i never once mentioned lag, high latency, or people not rendering on screen...that in itself is enough to know something is wrong

You exaggerate a LOT guy. Like I said if this thing is causing you to sit at the KB foaming at mouth ranting then maybe its time to step away. All Im saying.

No I'm not exaggerating...tell me why all of those things are healthy for the game and then I'll believe you that the game is fine...until then congrats on the new position at zos as their forum PR person

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

We will be playing the first cycle of betas but we aren't fulling jumping ship from eso until its actually a playable game, at this point we are probably just letting the hype get to us and we're to excited to skip the first betas. @GRxKnight

@Ghost-Shot I'm just hoping that all the hype everyone talking about is actually worth it...i won't give up on this game right now...I'm still hoping that something will happen...but I'm not holding my breath

Your problem is you think the game is only Cyrodill. The game itself financially is doing well. Thats what I meant.

This is the alliance war section of the forums, Cyrodiil is what we care about and its not doing well, you can fangirl all you want but it doesn't change facts.

Then say the PVP part of the game isnt healthy. You said the entire game isnt healthy.

Why are you still here? You seem to be the only person who shares your opinion so rather than tell zos they are doing a good job, which they aren't, please let us continue to provide the feedback they need.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

Then take a break for a bit play something else?

Not the solution bro....we want this game to do well...we really do...i don't think we would be here complaining that the game is broken or not functioning as advertised if we didn't care. I have in fact been playing another game on the side when i don't feel like playing this game, but that shouldn't be what i have to do. I really do like this game as I'm a huge fan of elder scrolls games...i enjoyed the story but my main focus is, and has been, pvp...going to play another game isn't what will fix this one...though it's apparently too little too late at this point as a lot of us are going to CU whenever beta is launched so there ya go...you can go back to white knighting zos while the rest of us aren't putting up with it anymore

The game is doing well. So cheer up

I'm wondering if you even pvp or have stepped foot into cyrodill...so you're saying being snared/rooted all the time, keep fights lasting for hours, nightblades pulling off one shots aoes with proxy soul tether VD alchemist combo, base movement speed nerfed, radiant destruction being spammed by every templar, forward camps enabling never ending fights is healthy? If you do then you're delusional.

Notice i never once mentioned lag, high latency, or people not rendering on screen...that in itself is enough to know something is wrong

You exaggerate a LOT guy. Like I said if this thing is causing you to sit at the KB foaming at mouth ranting then maybe its time to step away. All Im saying.

No I'm not exaggerating...tell me why all of those things are healthy for the game and then I'll believe you that the game is fine...until then congrats on the new position at zos as their forum PR person

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

We will be playing the first cycle of betas but we aren't fulling jumping ship from eso until its actually a playable game, at this point we are probably just letting the hype get to us and we're to excited to skip the first betas. @GRxKnight

@Ghost-Shot I'm just hoping that all the hype everyone talking about is actually worth it...i won't give up on this game right now...I'm still hoping that something will happen...but I'm not holding my breath

Your problem is you think the game is only Cyrodill. The game itself financially is doing well. Thats what I meant.

This is the alliance war section of the forums, Cyrodiil is what we care about and its not doing well, you can fangirl all you want but it doesn't change facts.

Then say the PVP part of the game isnt healthy. You said the entire game isnt healthy.

Why are you still here? You seem to be the only person who shares your opinion so rather than tell zos they are doing a good job, which they aren't, please let us continue to provide the feedback they need.

Lots of people are happy with ZOS. Shockingly you do not speak for everyone. As far as why I am here in this particular thread you keep asking me questions and I keep answering them.

I mean aside from you everyone in this thread seems to be in agreement that the game is not in a good place and needs some work.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

Then take a break for a bit play something else?

Not the solution bro....we want this game to do well...we really do...i don't think we would be here complaining that the game is broken or not functioning as advertised if we didn't care. I have in fact been playing another game on the side when i don't feel like playing this game, but that shouldn't be what i have to do. I really do like this game as I'm a huge fan of elder scrolls games...i enjoyed the story but my main focus is, and has been, pvp...going to play another game isn't what will fix this one...though it's apparently too little too late at this point as a lot of us are going to CU whenever beta is launched so there ya go...you can go back to white knighting zos while the rest of us aren't putting up with it anymore

The game is doing well. So cheer up

I'm wondering if you even pvp or have stepped foot into cyrodill...so you're saying being snared/rooted all the time, keep fights lasting for hours, nightblades pulling off one shots aoes with proxy soul tether VD alchemist combo, base movement speed nerfed, radiant destruction being spammed by every templar, forward camps enabling never ending fights is healthy? If you do then you're delusional.

Notice i never once mentioned lag, high latency, or people not rendering on screen...that in itself is enough to know something is wrong

You exaggerate a LOT guy. Like I said if this thing is causing you to sit at the KB foaming at mouth ranting then maybe its time to step away. All Im saying.

No I'm not exaggerating...tell me why all of those things are healthy for the game and then I'll believe you that the game is fine...until then congrats on the new position at zos as their forum PR person

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

We will be playing the first cycle of betas but we aren't fulling jumping ship from eso until its actually a playable game, at this point we are probably just letting the hype get to us and we're to excited to skip the first betas. @GRxKnight

@Ghost-Shot I'm just hoping that all the hype everyone talking about is actually worth it...i won't give up on this game right now...I'm still hoping that something will happen...but I'm not holding my breath

Your problem is you think the game is only Cyrodill. The game itself financially is doing well. Thats what I meant.

This is the alliance war section of the forums, Cyrodiil is what we care about and its not doing well, you can fangirl all you want but it doesn't change facts.

Then say the PVP part of the game isnt healthy. You said the entire game isnt healthy.

Why are you still here? You seem to be the only person who shares your opinion so rather than tell zos they are doing a good job, which they aren't, please let us continue to provide the feedback they need.

Lots of people are happy with ZOS. Shockingly you do not speak for everyone. As far as why I am here in this particular thread you keep asking me questions and I keep answering them.

I mean aside from you everyone in this thread seems to be in agreement that the game is not in a good place and needs some work.

The people who enjoy the game for what it is are busy playing it. Not complaining.

I agree the game needs obvious work. I play both pve and pvp. For those saying that we that play pvp should play the pve content, pve still has issues. For instance, the Thieves guild just came out on PS4, but there is nothing for me to do on it anymore except the trial. I had a day off and played through the entire story line, collected the collectibles, leveled up to rank 10 and finished the last quest to get the rip-me-off smuggler. I had some fun doing so but I have no desire to play through that story line again on my other characters. I have played through Orsinium with a few characters but I have no plans at all to do that with the Thieves Guild.

I, like others before have stated, have hopes for this game. I have invested so much time into this game that I do not want to go to some other game. I want this game to fix its issues and be the game it could and should be.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

Then take a break for a bit play something else?

Not the solution bro....we want this game to do well...we really do...i don't think we would be here complaining that the game is broken or not functioning as advertised if we didn't care. I have in fact been playing another game on the side when i don't feel like playing this game, but that shouldn't be what i have to do. I really do like this game as I'm a huge fan of elder scrolls games...i enjoyed the story but my main focus is, and has been, pvp...going to play another game isn't what will fix this one...though it's apparently too little too late at this point as a lot of us are going to CU whenever beta is launched so there ya go...you can go back to white knighting zos while the rest of us aren't putting up with it anymore

The game is doing well. So cheer up

I'm wondering if you even pvp or have stepped foot into cyrodill...so you're saying being snared/rooted all the time, keep fights lasting for hours, nightblades pulling off one shots aoes with proxy soul tether VD alchemist combo, base movement speed nerfed, radiant destruction being spammed by every templar, forward camps enabling never ending fights is healthy? If you do then you're delusional.

Notice i never once mentioned lag, high latency, or people not rendering on screen...that in itself is enough to know something is wrong

You exaggerate a LOT guy. Like I said if this thing is causing you to sit at the KB foaming at mouth ranting then maybe its time to step away. All Im saying.

No I'm not exaggerating...tell me why all of those things are healthy for the game and then I'll believe you that the game is fine...until then congrats on the new position at zos as their forum PR person

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

We will be playing the first cycle of betas but we aren't fulling jumping ship from eso until its actually a playable game, at this point we are probably just letting the hype get to us and we're to excited to skip the first betas. @GRxKnight

@Ghost-Shot I'm just hoping that all the hype everyone talking about is actually worth it...i won't give up on this game right now...I'm still hoping that something will happen...but I'm not holding my breath

Your problem is you think the game is only Cyrodill. The game itself financially is doing well. Thats what I meant.

Still waiting for you to tell me that everything I listed is healthy for cyrodiil

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

Then take a break for a bit play something else?

Not the solution bro....we want this game to do well...we really do...i don't think we would be here complaining that the game is broken or not functioning as advertised if we didn't care. I have in fact been playing another game on the side when i don't feel like playing this game, but that shouldn't be what i have to do. I really do like this game as I'm a huge fan of elder scrolls games...i enjoyed the story but my main focus is, and has been, pvp...going to play another game isn't what will fix this one...though it's apparently too little too late at this point as a lot of us are going to CU whenever beta is launched so there ya go...you can go back to white knighting zos while the rest of us aren't putting up with it anymore

The game is doing well. So cheer up

I'm wondering if you even pvp or have stepped foot into cyrodill...so you're saying being snared/rooted all the time, keep fights lasting for hours, nightblades pulling off one shots aoes with proxy soul tether VD alchemist combo, base movement speed nerfed, radiant destruction being spammed by every templar, forward camps enabling never ending fights is healthy? If you do then you're delusional.

Notice i never once mentioned lag, high latency, or people not rendering on screen...that in itself is enough to know something is wrong

You exaggerate a LOT guy. Like I said if this thing is causing you to sit at the KB foaming at mouth ranting then maybe its time to step away. All Im saying.

No I'm not exaggerating...tell me why all of those things are healthy for the game and then I'll believe you that the game is fine...until then congrats on the new position at zos as their forum PR person

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

We will be playing the first cycle of betas but we aren't fulling jumping ship from eso until its actually a playable game, at this point we are probably just letting the hype get to us and we're to excited to skip the first betas. @GRxKnight

@Ghost-Shot I'm just hoping that all the hype everyone talking about is actually worth it...i won't give up on this game right now...I'm still hoping that something will happen...but I'm not holding my breath

Your problem is you think the game is only Cyrodill. The game itself financially is doing well. Thats what I meant.

Still waiting for you to tell me that everything I listed is healthy for cyrodiil

The target audience for pvp are masichists who find meaning in their lives by subjecting themselves to unnecessary stress and frustration, so in that sense the state of Cyrodiil is healthy for the game as it ensures that pvp only remains appealing to that demographic. As such, there is no danger of happy go lucky people building a pressence in pvp that would cause the masichists to feel out of place.

As Matt Firor said, the success of ESO has gone "under the radar".

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

Then take a break for a bit play something else?

Not the solution bro....we want this game to do well...we really do...i don't think we would be here complaining that the game is broken or not functioning as advertised if we didn't care. I have in fact been playing another game on the side when i don't feel like playing this game, but that shouldn't be what i have to do. I really do like this game as I'm a huge fan of elder scrolls games...i enjoyed the story but my main focus is, and has been, pvp...going to play another game isn't what will fix this one...though it's apparently too little too late at this point as a lot of us are going to CU whenever beta is launched so there ya go...you can go back to white knighting zos while the rest of us aren't putting up with it anymore

The game is doing well. So cheer up

I'm wondering if you even pvp or have stepped foot into cyrodill...so you're saying being snared/rooted all the time, keep fights lasting for hours, nightblades pulling off one shots aoes with proxy soul tether VD alchemist combo, base movement speed nerfed, radiant destruction being spammed by every templar, forward camps enabling never ending fights is healthy? If you do then you're delusional.

Notice i never once mentioned lag, high latency, or people not rendering on screen...that in itself is enough to know something is wrong

You exaggerate a LOT guy. Like I said if this thing is causing you to sit at the KB foaming at mouth ranting then maybe its time to step away. All Im saying.

No I'm not exaggerating...tell me why all of those things are healthy for the game and then I'll believe you that the game is fine...until then congrats on the new position at zos as their forum PR person

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Actually frozn has a point...we could be back in the meteor spam meta that was early 1.6 and no skills working lag...i'd say that we still are in the meteor spam meta but the ping compared to the two is better....overall I'd say pvp latency has improved but not in the sense that it's good...lag is rarely an issue, it's more so what combat is like these days with all the snares and the roll of counter siege in this patch...i think that's what people are mostly upset about cause anyone who played in the extinction of dinosaurs patch knows what a contested keep fight felt like with all the meteors being rained down

Also @Ghost-Shot @Satiar which realm are you guys looking at in CU?

@GRxKnight

We aren't totally decided yet, we plan to play all 3 during beta to test out all the classes but whatever we roll at launch is really going to come down to realm pops. We've played the most populated faction twice now in this game and even rerolled over it once, that *** is not fun lol.

I'm probably not going to play in the first iteration of beta as, from what i read, they're mostly wanting to test the mechanical aspects of the game and not anything to do with the game itself (unless i can't read which is probably likely) but i will say that we (or rather i) would like to be allies this time around and not frienemies.

@Ghost-Shot

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

PVP is going to take time to work out. Contrary to people here the lag has gotten better. 300-400ms latency to me is still unplayable. So if people are expecting a quick fix then thats going to be disappointing for them. I play with a lot of people out in cyrodill I never see 999+ latency. Personally I think its just a display error. If your latency really was that high then you would see nothing on the screen. Everything would just freeze and the game would log you out thinking you were disconnected.

1.5-2 years long enough?

Just curious what your time scale is

and it does log us out.

source: personally been kicked out to the log in screen while PVPing
credentials: been PVPing since launch

Maybe try the rest of the game? This is an ongoing thing. If you thought this was some kind of single player game you were mistaken. If you go to all other games latency is always an issue in PVP. There is more to the game than PVP tho.

Some people don't care for PvE or have done everything and don't want the mindless repetativeness that is pve content...it's fun when you complete it the first time, decent the second time, but by the time you get to the third repeat, it becomes boring and not even challenging...

We will be playing the first cycle of betas but we aren't fulling jumping ship from eso until its actually a playable game, at this point we are probably just letting the hype get to us and we're to excited to skip the first betas. @GRxKnight

@Ghost-Shot I'm just hoping that all the hype everyone talking about is actually worth it...i won't give up on this game right now...I'm still hoping that something will happen...but I'm not holding my breath

Your problem is you think the game is only Cyrodill. The game itself financially is doing well. Thats what I meant.

Still waiting for you to tell me that everything I listed is healthy for cyrodiil

The target audience for pvp are masichists who find meaning in their lives by subjecting themselves to unnecessary stress and frustration, so in that sense the state of Cyrodiil is healthy for the game as it ensures that pvp only remains appealing to that demographic. As such, there is no danger of happy go lucky people building a pressence in pvp that would cause the masichists to feel out of place.

As Matt Firor said, the success of ESO has gone "under the radar".

The only masochists and people subjecting themselves to unecessary stress are people whining everyday in these forums instead of moving on with their life.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ichnaea wrote: »

I pvp'ed in Haderus (not the most popular server) from 2pm - 2am (with breaks) yesterday, and had a total of 10 crashes. About four of those crashes I wasn't even in combat. "Working as intended." The lag is bad enough, but when you throw in crashes...it's no wonder ZOS is doing every PR trick up its sleeve. Keep pushing for new players and forgetting about us hardcore. Surely, that'll keep you going for your "7 year plan".

Frozy is one of those hardcore players I see here and it's amusing to see him being such a try hard defender. He of all people should be annoyed at the fail. Come on FroZy-really?

Jauriel

Me, unlike most people here, read the whole patch notes and REMEMBER everything Zenimax fixed and everything that made this game better, through the months, no matter the bugs that sometimes came back and the steps behind.

Like I've already said in other threads, World of Warcraft took 3years to fix the warrior charge bug and 5 years to fix the combat bug. Today it is one of the best mmos ever made. This game will see the light, with or without all the arrogant, pessimist and none constructive complainers in these forums threatening to leave to other games.

Some of the best players this game has ever seen have done more than threaten. They've quit. And nearly all cite the latest update as the worst yet! I just wish you would acknowledge this rather than being so dismissive of the valid complaints, the very valid reasons people have to be frustrated and disappointed. Each and every update has been one step forward and 3 steps back for pvp.

The best players ever huh? I guess all of us peons are just chopped liver lol.

You're correct.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ichnaea wrote: »

I pvp'ed in Haderus (not the most popular server) from 2pm - 2am (with breaks) yesterday, and had a total of 10 crashes. About four of those crashes I wasn't even in combat. "Working as intended." The lag is bad enough, but when you throw in crashes...it's no wonder ZOS is doing every PR trick up its sleeve. Keep pushing for new players and forgetting about us hardcore. Surely, that'll keep you going for your "7 year plan".

Frozy is one of those hardcore players I see here and it's amusing to see him being such a try hard defender. He of all people should be annoyed at the fail. Come on FroZy-really?

Jauriel

Me, unlike most people here, read the whole patch notes and REMEMBER everything Zenimax fixed and everything that made this game better, through the months, no matter the bugs that sometimes came back and the steps behind.

Like I've already said in other threads, World of Warcraft took 3years to fix the warrior charge bug and 5 years to fix the combat bug. Today it is one of the best mmos ever made. This game will see the light, with or without all the arrogant, pessimist and none constructive complainers in these forums threatening to leave to other games.

Some of the best players this game has ever seen have done more than threaten. They've quit. And nearly all cite the latest update as the worst yet! I just wish you would acknowledge this rather than being so dismissive of the valid complaints, the very valid reasons people have to be frustrated and disappointed. Each and every update has been one step forward and 3 steps back for pvp.

The best players ever huh? I guess all of us peons are just chopped liver lol.

Entire guilds full of some of the best players are gone at this point. Alacrity, gone. No Mercy, gone. Havoc, gone. That is just 3 examples i can list without even thinking about it, the numbers of people who have left is insane and it really shows just how sad the state of the game has been for so long.

Ground Oil was the best player in the game, after ZOS banned him for hurting RP'rs immersion many of his friends followed him and quit in disgust.

RIP Ground Oil, you were the best of us.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Ichnaea wrote: »

I pvp'ed in Haderus (not the most popular server) from 2pm - 2am (with breaks) yesterday, and had a total of 10 crashes. About four of those crashes I wasn't even in combat. "Working as intended." The lag is bad enough, but when you throw in crashes...it's no wonder ZOS is doing every PR trick up its sleeve. Keep pushing for new players and forgetting about us hardcore. Surely, that'll keep you going for your "7 year plan".

Frozy is one of those hardcore players I see here and it's amusing to see him being such a try hard defender. He of all people should be annoyed at the fail. Come on FroZy-really?

Jauriel

Me, unlike most people here, read the whole patch notes and REMEMBER everything Zenimax fixed and everything that made this game better, through the months, no matter the bugs that sometimes came back and the steps behind.

Like I've already said in other threads, World of Warcraft took 3years to fix the warrior charge bug and 5 years to fix the combat bug. Today it is one of the best mmos ever made. This game will see the light, with or without all the arrogant, pessimist and none constructive complainers in these forums threatening to leave to other games.

Some of the best players this game has ever seen have done more than threaten. They've quit. And nearly all cite the latest update as the worst yet! I just wish you would acknowledge this rather than being so dismissive of the valid complaints, the very valid reasons people have to be frustrated and disappointed. Each and every update has been one step forward and 3 steps back for pvp.

The best players ever huh? I guess all of us peons are just chopped liver lol.

Entire guilds full of some of the best players are gone at this point. Alacrity, gone. No Mercy, gone. Havoc, gone. That is just 3 examples i can list without even thinking about it, the numbers of people who have left is insane and it really shows just how sad the state of the game has been for so long.

Ground Oil was the best player in the game, after ZOS banned him for hurting RP'rs immersion many of his friends followed him and quit in disgust.

RIP Ground Oil, you were the best of us.

Ground oil too stronk, pls nerf!

Stahp trying to stir the pot of hatred!