The TG Meta

Lava_Croft · March 2016

So far all the changes in PvP have led to little else besides more lag and larger zergs. So basically the same meta as before, only worse.

Jhunn · March 2016

And with forward camps the fights are, though it seemed impossible, even less spread now.

PvP is an absolute joke.

Darnathian · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I must admit it's pretty enjoyable to see all those purge springs marathon runners complaining about slows. Sorry boys, not going back to purge maneuver spam while going inside a breach anytime soon. You either pick to spam purge and spring or to run fast, can't have it all.

You should apply similar logic toward your hate of Radiant Destruction: Bring purge to counter it or don't. Sorry you can't have it all.

I counter Radiant Destruction with 55 points in Elemental Defender, 20 points in Thick Skinned, 10 points in Spell Shield, 60points in Resistant, 7 pieces impen, Shuffle, Hardened Armor, Igneous Shield, Vigor and Rally. Now you expect to be able to heal, purge, maneuver while rolling over pugs with VD and prox?

OMG you continue to shoot yourself in the foot. You dont have to worry about any of that other stuff.

Purge will take care of RD on its own. Or if you like stam build so much slot a bow.

frozywozy · March 2016

Darnathian wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I must admit it's pretty enjoyable to see all those purge springs marathon runners complaining about slows. Sorry boys, not going back to purge maneuver spam while going inside a breach anytime soon. You either pick to spam purge and spring or to run fast, can't have it all.

You should apply similar logic toward your hate of Radiant Destruction: Bring purge to counter it or don't. Sorry you can't have it all.

I counter Radiant Destruction with 55 points in Elemental Defender, 20 points in Thick Skinned, 10 points in Spell Shield, 60points in Resistant, 7 pieces impen, Shuffle, Hardened Armor, Igneous Shield, Vigor and Rally. Now you expect to be able to heal, purge, maneuver while rolling over pugs with VD and prox?

OMG you continue to shoot yourself in the foot. You dont have to worry about any of that other stuff.

Purge will take care of RD on its own. Or if you like stam build so much slot a bow.

I've been using a bow since 5months ago. Try tab targetting a magicka templar to interrupt a 3seconds cast with venom arrow behind 15 players as you get spammed by gap closers and all kinds of attacks.

PainfulFAFA · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I must admit it's pretty enjoyable to see all those purge springs marathon runners complaining about slows. Sorry boys, not going back to purge maneuver spam while going inside a breach anytime soon. You either pick to spam purge and spring or to run fast, can't have it all.

You should apply similar logic toward your hate of Radiant Destruction: Bring purge to counter it or don't. Sorry you can't have it all.

I counter Radiant Destruction with 55 points in Elemental Defender, 20 points in Thick Skinned, 10 points in Spell Shield, 60points in Resistant, 7 pieces impen, Shuffle, Hardened Armor, Igneous Shield, Vigor and Rally. Now you expect to be able to heal, purge, maneuver while rolling over pugs with VD and prox?

OMG you continue to shoot yourself in the foot. You dont have to worry about any of that other stuff.

Purge will take care of RD on its own. Or if you like stam build so much slot a bow.

I've been using a bow since 5months ago. Try tab targetting a magicka templar to interrupt a 3seconds cast with venom arrow behind 15 players as you get spammed by gap closers and all kinds of attacks.

sorry l2p issue here
maybe its because i can zap away far enough to roll away but even with 15+ i have a hard time so i've accepted the fact that running away from 15+ dudes with new snare meta is hard on any class if theres competent players in that group., but as stam DK, your only options is to try to run for 28m+ into safety OR tank and spank them head on, personally i'd experiment deep breath and magma armor on the backbar but 15+ dudes is hard on any class unless your the mystical vortex mean i keep hearing in ad zone.

frozywozy · March 2016

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I must admit it's pretty enjoyable to see all those purge springs marathon runners complaining about slows. Sorry boys, not going back to purge maneuver spam while going inside a breach anytime soon. You either pick to spam purge and spring or to run fast, can't have it all.

You should apply similar logic toward your hate of Radiant Destruction: Bring purge to counter it or don't. Sorry you can't have it all.

I counter Radiant Destruction with 55 points in Elemental Defender, 20 points in Thick Skinned, 10 points in Spell Shield, 60points in Resistant, 7 pieces impen, Shuffle, Hardened Armor, Igneous Shield, Vigor and Rally. Now you expect to be able to heal, purge, maneuver while rolling over pugs with VD and prox?

OMG you continue to shoot yourself in the foot. You dont have to worry about any of that other stuff.

Purge will take care of RD on its own. Or if you like stam build so much slot a bow.

I've been using a bow since 5months ago. Try tab targetting a magicka templar to interrupt a 3seconds cast with venom arrow behind 15 players as you get spammed by gap closers and all kinds of attacks.

sorry l2p issue here
maybe its because i can zap away far enough to roll away but even with 15+ i have a hard time so i've accepted the fact that running away from 15+ dudes with new snare meta is hard on any class if theres competent players in that group., but as stam DK, your only options is to try to run for 28m+ into safety OR tank and spank them head on, personally i'd experiment deep breath and magma armor on the backbar but 15+ dudes is hard on any class unless your the mystical vortex mean i keep hearing in ad zone.

You missread it. I never claimed that I had to run away from 15 dudes. I said that having to tab target between 15 dudes to interrupt a magicka templar doing a 3seconds RD cast and dealing with gap closers and all kind of attacks was near of impossible. Nice try to twists my words around though.

zyk · March 2016

RD damage begins scaling up @ 50% health, correct? Perhaps its amazing range would be better justified if its execute damage began scaling @ 25% health?

Impale might be pretty outrageous if its execute damage began scaling @ 50%.

What I hate about RD is that in any big fight, there always seems to be multiple RD beams on me. Not because I am in execute range or because the Templars are idiots, but because they are anticipating my health dropping below 50%. I think that makes the ability a bit silly to use. Templars frequently cast it on full health targets because it is so profitable to do so. This shouldn't be true.

IMO, all executes should require some semblance of timing.

leepalmer95 · March 2016

zyk wrote: »

RD damage begins scaling up @ 50% health, correct? Perhaps its amazing range would be better justified if its execute damage began scaling @ 25% health?

Impale might be pretty outrageous if it's execute damage began scaling @ 50%.

What I hate about RD is that in any big fight, there always seems to be multiple RD beams on me. Not because I am in execute range or because the Templars are idiots, but because they are anticipating my health dropping below 50%. I think that makes the ability a bit silly to use. Templars frequently cast it on full health targets because it is so profitable to do so. This shouldn't be true.

IMO, all executes should require some semblance of timing.

I agree the 50% is a bit stupid for a supposed 'execution', the scaling needs to be brough down.

Every other ranged execute starts at 25%, impale, endless fury etc... So i'm not sure why Radiant starts at double that.

Doesn't help the first tick is always a crit so if they hit you around 50% the second tick really does dmg.

Joy_Division · March 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

RD damage begins scaling up @ 50% health, correct? Perhaps its amazing range would be better justified if its execute damage began scaling @ 25% health?

Impale might be pretty outrageous if it's execute damage began scaling @ 50%.

What I hate about RD is that in any big fight, there always seems to be multiple RD beams on me. Not because I am in execute range or because the Templars are idiots, but because they are anticipating my health dropping below 50%. I think that makes the ability a bit silly to use. Templars frequently cast it on full health targets because it is so profitable to do so. This shouldn't be true.

IMO, all executes should require some semblance of timing.

I agree the 50% is a bit stupid for a supposed 'execution', the scaling needs to be brough down.

Every other ranged execute starts at 25%, impale, endless fury etc... So i'm not sure why Radiant starts at double that.

Doesn't help the first tick is always a crit so if they hit you around 50% the second tick really does dmg.

Executioner scales the same way as RD.

Soulac · March 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

RD damage begins scaling up @ 50% health, correct? Perhaps its amazing range would be better justified if its execute damage began scaling @ 25% health?

Impale might be pretty outrageous if it's execute damage began scaling @ 50%.

What I hate about RD is that in any big fight, there always seems to be multiple RD beams on me. Not because I am in execute range or because the Templars are idiots, but because they are anticipating my health dropping below 50%. I think that makes the ability a bit silly to use. Templars frequently cast it on full health targets because it is so profitable to do so. This shouldn't be true.

IMO, all executes should require some semblance of timing.

I agree the 50% is a bit stupid for a supposed 'execution', the scaling needs to be brough down.

Every other ranged execute starts at 25%, impale, endless fury etc... So i'm not sure why Radiant starts at double that.

Doesn't help the first tick is always a crit so if they hit you around 50% the second tick really does dmg.

Executioner scales the same way as RD.

Executioner is melee and dodgeable tho.

HoloYoitsu · March 2016

WTB execution proc starting @ 50% health for Endless Fury.

WTB Endless Fury base dmg scaling with remaining magicka.

WTB undodgeable Endless Fury, it's goddamned lightning ffs!

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Every other ranged execute starts at 25%, impale, endless fury etc... So i'm not sure why Radiant starts at double that.

Endless Fury doesn't proc till 20% because ZOS.

TheDarkShadow · March 2016

The burst meta is worse and worse every patch. I wear 5/1/1 light armore with all impen, 40 in each reduce damage CP (crit, dot, magic and phys damage), 25k health, -50% damage from steal from mage light. It's something could consider as "solid" build against 1 shot before TG, yet I still get 1 shot now from those alchemist + VD + prox det magblade with 18k health and probably 800 regen, while standing alone (no prox det AoE bonus, and "supposed to be" no VD proc). I only defend keep now, since at least I can respawn quick and come back to the fight without NB's supprise me on my horse simulation game. If there is no keep defend fight, I just log out.

Knootewoot · March 2016

TESO in a nutshell:
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But don't worry guys. According to the PvE people the game will do fine without PvP and everything is working fine in PvE land

WillhelmBlack · March 2016

Knootewoot wrote: »

TESO in a nutshell:

But don't worry guys. According to the PvE people the game will do fine without PvP and everything is working fine in PvE land

How did you get that so accurate? I can see every patch. Look there's 1.5 getting gradually boring, in comes 1.6, ooh this is fresh but here comes 1.7! There it drops.

Dakrana_Thrazvoth · March 2016

This meta is very frustrating at many points :

Developpers added more snares, moving is just a pain now, because everybody just spam snares and roots. (and there no interest to use efficient purge because they increased his cost except if you want to run out of magicka for nothing, and opponents continue to spamming snares...)

The return of one shot builds. With more spell damages than ever.

Too many templars use radiant destruction at 100% health, and it hurt very much. Welcome back to 1.6 !

Huge nerf to movement, (speed buff, and major expedition reduced to 30% speed bonus is removed when we use some abilities).

Shadow cloak is total garbage now because all skills with dots break it, like poison injection, but also maelstrom arena weapons (tested in duel).

Burst build with vicious death+ clever alchemist are brainless. I've tested it and I dont appreciate that so much. Everybody (a lot of peoples) play this on nb or rerolled for play that. I never died so much in pvp except with this build and this meta. Just run into the opponent zerg and burst as much as possible them, and respawn and retry x10.

And I forgot many thing I'm sure.

Ishammael · March 2016

Thanks to everyone for continuing this thread.

Haderus was a lagfest last night. Almost unplayable. ZoS: please open another campaign -- its awful!

Darnathian · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I must admit it's pretty enjoyable to see all those purge springs marathon runners complaining about slows. Sorry boys, not going back to purge maneuver spam while going inside a breach anytime soon. You either pick to spam purge and spring or to run fast, can't have it all.

You should apply similar logic toward your hate of Radiant Destruction: Bring purge to counter it or don't. Sorry you can't have it all.

I counter Radiant Destruction with 55 points in Elemental Defender, 20 points in Thick Skinned, 10 points in Spell Shield, 60points in Resistant, 7 pieces impen, Shuffle, Hardened Armor, Igneous Shield, Vigor and Rally. Now you expect to be able to heal, purge, maneuver while rolling over pugs with VD and prox?

OMG you continue to shoot yourself in the foot. You dont have to worry about any of that other stuff.

Purge will take care of RD on its own. Or if you like stam build so much slot a bow.

I've been using a bow since 5months ago. Try tab targetting a magicka templar to interrupt a 3seconds cast with venom arrow behind 15 players as you get spammed by gap closers and all kinds of attacks.

Okay and you try to range people while you are being cc'd and wb spammed.

Aint gonna happen. You know why? ITS A COUNTER.

L2P

bertenburnyb16_ESO · March 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I remember all of the marketing material from 2 years ago.

And I feel like a total idiot for thinking Zenimax Online Studios might very well be a respectable company that wouldn't blatantly screw over its customers.

omg yes this so much
fooled me once Zos, not again

Sk000tch · March 2016

Overall I prefer the previous meta, as we have found it more difficult for a small organized group to deal with big pug zergs, but it is not as bad as A lot of you are making it out to be. The decrease in mobility and damage mitigation in particular suck (Rapids, barrier, immovable pots not working is bs, for the cost they should be good), and work against the goal of busting zergs.

Old style no longer works, l2p,l and all that - everything has a counter. Every single class has great damage mitigation against proxy/VD, use it. If your group is getting wiped by a solo mag blade bomber you need to re-evaluate your tactics and build. Undodgeable RD when getting hit by several at once with no way to break los is irritating, but small scale it's a non-issue (and Templars deserved a buff). VD I like, it's effectively killed the ball group and that was getting boring (though I am more afraid of my own faction pugs than opossing faction now). Better seige is probably good... funny to rack up AP on a cold fire, it make counter seige relevant and give pugs a viable means of keep defense, oil is probably OP but with the other skill changes its not difficult to clear the oil line before breaching. That said, it's near impossible to deal with an organized emp defense with well placed siege and pug support (. Forward camps are entertaining, though I wish randoms would learn to throw a repair kit on them before sprinting back to die in the breach again.

The proxy buff is fine, though too easy to get (serious - one good day of pvp now).

The lag still sucks and some of the bugs are super frustrating, but none of this stuff is game breaking and the patch did achieve the goal of shaking of the pvp gameplay. Lots of skills are relevant now, others more important than ever. I have a constant dillema about what to slot, forcing choices and discussion within the group - and that is more interesting that running the same build everyday.