ArchMikem wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

How do you intend on "Holding your own in case of errant players" if your first reaction is the surrender emote?

My first reaction is the emote because the person is six levels higher than I am, and I know I don't have the best gear possible to stand a chance. You can see my character in the Show Me Your Sorcerer thread, I don't have the best numbers and I have at best a couple purple items while the rest are blue. I'm fine against the Vet14 NPCs but other players are one sided fights.

Or maybe I just like to think there are good players out there that might show a little mercy to a lone player that doesn't want to fight. Then again that's probably asking for too much.

And this is the part where you "good players" ridicule me for being a noob and tell me to delete my character and uninstall.

Your character gets weaker as you level up due to battle spirit. My level 45 NB had better stats than my v16 NB.

Its not a valid excuse really to give up prefight - youre not going to learn or give yourself the chance to learn if you dont try. If you go into the fight willing to surrender, youll never achieve anything beyond your expectations. How can one live this way.

So they slaughtered the poor lone AD character?!

We must have our revenge! We need NAMES so that justice can be served. For the Queen!

makreth wrote: »

I don't know about NA campaigns but in Europe you can join some low population campains and feel as if it is a PVE-only zone. But, it's a pvp zone in the end so that is to be expected.

Yeah, you just need to pay attention; I've the PvE in Cyrodiil on at least two or three characters. I focused on areas under the control of my Alliance. Because I also played PvP here and there I would sometimes get an opportunity to pickup a quest or shard deep in enemy territory while running with a large assault force.

Bruma is a daily quest hub, one of the most convenient in the game, as 8-9 can be done in sight of the town, (one you don't even leave the building for), plus it has its own dolman. So there will almost always be players there.

You sound like you're EP, which lucky for you means you just need to wait for your Alliance to capture Dragonclaw, again, and you should have an easier time. The anchor can also be seen from a distance, so you have a good indicator if anyone has been by recently.

This reminds me of my PvP experience until a couple of weeks ago.

My motivation was the AW skills since I've reached pretty much endgame PvE and relly wanted that Vigor.

Well playing for the EP EU is the real challange since we have fewer organized PvP guilds. But as soons as I found the server where all the EP's were it all changed. Despite the lag zerging was the way to go - I'm having a blast running with 23 other knuckleheads and now I just suck at this. I don't suck horribly anymore.

I get you play for EP but is it NA or EU? Come join us on Trueflame(?) 30 days standard for a full server, with lag but great fun!

Btw. no fun doing PvE stuff in Cyrodill - only needed for Skyshards I guess...

ArchMikem wrote: »

My first reaction is the emote because the person is six levels higher than I am, and I know I don't have the best gear possible to stand a chance. You can see my character in the Show Me Your Sorcerer thread, I don't have the best numbers and I have at best a couple purple items while the rest are blue. I'm fine against the Vet14 NPCs but other players are one sided fights.

You always have a chance. You are not handicapped by your level, because battle leveling is boosting you to be competitive. And while you may not have the best equipment - you should not automatically assume that the enemy does. Especially around Bruma i often find players who are far from top-tier performance (to put it diplomatically).

The only way you are going to get better at pvp is to pvp. If you see an enemy, go ahead and attack him. You may lose, you may win, you never know, but regardless of the outcome, you will learn a tiny bit about your class, his class, what attack sequence he uses, what you did wrong and could do better, etc.

If you can, record your fights and rewatch them later in peace, i learned a lot about the game that way.

You will get Rekt in Cyrodil but once you know your class and feel confident you can win many more battles than you lose. Sounds like you are a EP play I would not surrender... just fight no one is going to let you live willingly. There is too much 30 reds zerging down one yellow or blue to let the one of a handful EP players who play solo live and be cool.

ArchMikem wrote: »

The first time I decided to try going into Cyrodiil, I was level 30-something, and I very quickly learned I was leagues out of my depth and hopelessly useless. So I just as quickly left, and never went back.

I'm a Veteran 10 now. And I decided to go back in thinking I could hold my own in case an errant player tries to assert their dominance.

I join a campaign, I get into Cyrodiil, and I decide to start off picking up an old quest I had started way back on my first foray in. Time to travel to Bruma! So I mount my Lioness, hop the wall and start the very, VERY long trek half way across the map to Bruma. When I finally get there, a Dark Anchor is active, and Dremora are everywhere. The paranoid bugger I am, I go hidden and sneak my way into town. Of course I fail miserably as a Dremora here and a Skeleton there spot me and I have to put them down.

Then I see it. It's a glimpse. A yellow icon over a moving figure.

I damn near sh*t my pants. And then as I near the anchor it gets worse. Blue icons. A couple of Vet16 DC players are doing the anchor. Now don't misunderstand, this is at 4AM Pacific time. I had believed I wouldn't see a single person. But here I was hiding from two DC veterans, who then find and murder the lone AD player I saw earlier.

Finally I found my chance to get to the quest marker, thinking they've gone. I go into this building, find the NPC, do a thing here and there. And when I go back to turn in the quest, there's an AD player standing right there where I was going. He sees me. I freak out. I try to use the Surrender emote. He annihilates me in seconds.

And then I have to respawn. ALL. THE WAY. AT THE BEGINNING. Oh, but that's not the end. I decide to try it again. I hop on my mount, go to the wall, and RIGHT when I hop over it, standing RIGHT there just outside the wall is a Vet16 AD player. I'm annihilated in seconds. He then begins to farm me as I try to leave, and it takes another level capped Pact player to get rid of him. So now I'm finally back on the road to Bruma so I can continue this stupid quest. But when I go through the Chim gate just GUESS who comes out of nowhere. Same person. He came back. Annihilated me in seconds.

I have to guess it took me a half hour to get back to Bruma and turn in the quest, only to be given another quest. And when I'm about to leave the building the questgiver was in, in trots another Dominion player. I frantically give the Surrender emote to tell him I don't want to fight. He doesn't care. I give out a couple attacks. I'm annihilated in seconds.

This is why I stick to the PvE zones. This is why PVP multiplayer gives me anger induced seizures.

I gave you the Surrender emote The Red Fury or whatever your name is!

Ok what class are you and what gear were you wearing?

ArchMikem wrote: »

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Then I see it. It's a glimpse. A yellow icon over a moving figure.

I damn near sh*t my pants. And then as I near the anchor it gets worse. Blue icons. A couple of Vet16 DC players are doing the anchor. Now don't misunderstand, this is at 4AM Pacific time. I had believed I wouldn't see a single person. But here I was hiding from two DC veterans, who then find and murder the lone AD player I saw earlier.

Finally I found my chance to get to the quest marker, thinking they've gone. I go into this building, find the NPC, do a thing here and there. And when I go back to turn in the quest, there's an AD player standing right there where I was going. He sees me. I freak out. I try to use the Surrender emote. He annihilates me in seconds.
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This is why I stick to the PvE zones. This is why PVP multiplayer gives me anger induced seizures.

I gave you the Surrender emote The Red Fury or whatever your name is!

Try going into PvP with a different view.
Rather than panicking before you even fight because it is another player,
just imagine them to be more difficult mobs.

As someone who struggles with diagnosed anxiety issues, and who spent the overwhelming majority of my time in MMORPGs as a pure PvE player prior to ESO, this method works great for me personally.

If I emote a surrender to a mob, they still attack. I don't bother, I just keep myself safe.

Be sure to pick up a Kill Enemy Players quest from the Bounty board as well -- getting tallies like a standard kill X npcs quest really helps to reinforce the sentiment.

Cyrodiil eventually became my favourite zone for PvE,
because being in the middle of nowhere between quest hubs and getting jumped by another player
feels more like being assaulted by a random Highwayman or Bandit in Oblivion
than any of the AI routines of the static mobs in ESO.

That's why I stopped doing PVE quests in Cyrodiil. Nothing kills immersion in a quest faster than a random player kicking your ass right in the middle of it.

Unfortunately, in the PVP ghetto of Cyrodiil, enemy players are just potential AP. No mercy is given. To many traps. Easier to eliminate all threats on sight..

Also, AD has no honor.

Tiphis wrote: »

Liukke wrote: »

That's stupid but unfortunately it's the game...we are even lucky that there are PvE only zones, many mmos have free PvP wherever you can go, and if your clan is in war state it's mandatory to go questing with groups

I'm V16 in DC and when I see a low level player I always send him a whisper, telling that I won't attack him if they are in quest zones (ok if they are near a keep then it's death on sight!), 'cause it's stupid and not fun winning so easily.
PvP is usually a frustration zone where high level player just want to win (maybe their life is not so fun :'D) and attack all easy enemies when they are in non keep zones.
I feel sorry for you

Yeah I pretty much do the same thing. I pvp for fun, if it's an easy kill it's not really that fun, especially in a pve area where there is unlikely to be much of a pitched battle.

I often ride past PvE towns in Cyrodiil to see if there are any rankers poaching questers and often get greeted by the very questers themselves going apesh*t on me as soon as they spot me. It doesn't matter that I'm a high ranking Vet16 that will probably melt their face in seconds, but they always start first.
I don't usually initiate fights on lowbies who just go on about their business, I do make my presence known - but I buff up just to make sure then wait and see what happens in case they throw the first punch, and they usually do. Do I feel bad? Not really, they started it, I gave them the chance to walk away, but if they decide to test their mettle against me - it's their loss and my (AP) gain. They seem to be especially brave when in a group, but never win anyway, but then they turn into the very same people they hate - gankers.

I have let many other faction players pass if they are questing, I am there for the pvp at keeps and support the faction, killing some lone quester really does nothing for me, now if I give pass and they attack don't care what level they are, I have to defend myself.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

How do you intend on "Holding your own in case of errant players" if your first reaction is the surrender emote?

My first reaction is the emote because the person is six levels higher than I am, and I know I don't have the best gear possible to stand a chance. You can see my character in the Show Me Your Sorcerer thread, I don't have the best numbers and I have at best a couple purple items while the rest are blue. I'm fine against the Vet14 NPCs but other players are one sided fights.

Or maybe I just like to think there are good players out there that might show a little mercy to a lone player that doesn't want to fight. Then again that's probably asking for too much.

And this is the part where you "good players" ridicule me for being a noob and tell me to delete my character and uninstall.

Stop the whining. sheezus. the rest of us where there. we grinded out those last 6 levels and still got owned. Then we finally got around to some theory crafting and actually went and built/bought a impenetrable set, Farmed up the mats over like 40 hours of farming to afford to make it gold and get the proper enchants...and went back out there only to get OWNED AGAIN. Because we didn't yet understand dodge roll, block, and what needed to be on our bars, such as gap closers- escapes-nonreflectable attacks- executes... bursty combos etc. but we kept on going, put some music on, and celebrated when we went 5deaths to 1 kill. <.< And we kept pushing it, refining our techniques, like dodge rolling through the zerg and not away from it, focusing templars first, and locking down everyone else with spamable soft CC. It is a incredibly steep learning curve... Not made easier by the lag that changes what skills kill faster and actually hit their targets.

ArchMikem wrote: »

The first time I decided to try going into Cyrodiil, I was level 30-something, and I very quickly learned I was leagues out of my depth and hopelessly useless. So I just as quickly left, and never went back.

Honestly my first time with Cyrodiil was also around lvl30, and I had only some experience as PvE sorcerer.
In this time I liked very much to scout Cyrodiil to get as many as possible shyshards, and maybe do one or more quests. However questing in Cyrodiil was a pain due to LAG and large distances between go-there-click-this-return-back. At the begining my horse wasn't upgraded so it was very slooow.

I was aware this is pvp area so I can be attacked by more experienced / levelled players, who could wait in cover for me as I start involving myself into pve. Knowing this was an additional feeling of danger and I accepted it.

Just before going out of safe zone I repeated the abilities I should use if I'll be surprised by enemy player. I realised that when I'd be catched by a group of enemies I will certainly die so a waste of time to try any defence. Few times I was killed by few enemy players, but because I was prepared I just shrugged my arms & respawned. Not a big deal.

I cannot agree it's the level what is the most important here, experience fast thinking and knowledge of abilities is probably more. Playing around lvl30 I could win in duel with higher lvl, and in fact I won almost twice . First time it was questing in some city of Cyrodiil - when I finished chatting with quest giver I was attacked by single enemy player from my back. I wasn't prepared but he probably was also not much experienced, becuase his weapon damage wasn't too high. I quickly turned to him and used a spell [Encase] to immobilize for few seconds, then this sorc ability which knocks down [Crystal Shards - Crystal Fragments], eventually I saw him dying. Probably he was surprised that I was able to defend myself on this low lvl. That was a moment of triumph and a feeling to remember for long .

Second time, I was scounting some delve for shyshard and I was already far deep in this delve close to shyshard area, then an enemy player (also alone and vet) appeared and attacked me without warning. This time somehow I wasn't prepared too because creatures in this delve were hard enough and already I had some trouble with them and was tired. Without fighting back I tried to refuse fight by running and healing myself, only immobilizing him [Encase] from time to time to get some time for magicka regen. I was running around on a path previously cleared from monsters, but he was pushing. Really stubborn type kept chasing me untill I entered area with some monsters, they lowered my hp and the player finished me off. I get a feeling I had a chance to win with him, because he wasn't breaking my spells and just waited on knees immobilised for the time of spells. I feel it's just my restraint from fight a main reason of being defeated this time...

But after this second adventure I had no more interest in scouting delves for skyshards in Cyrodiil, at least not alone. Unfortunately nobody from general chat and guild was interested in scouting together, so I gave up with Cyrodil for long. It seems about 2 months already after I tried to do anything there... so maybe it's a time to visit it again, now as a vet and with friends.