Cyrodiil is (almost) Impossible

Cryptical

DonoVDV wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

...I gave you the Surrender emote The Red Fury or whatever your name is!

Guys, please. He surrender emoted... what is wrong with you PVP barbarians?

When I know my slaughter is unavoidable and imminent such as when CC'd and resources gone, I hit the sit-chair emote. Might as well be comfortable at the end, eh? Once I managed to complete the emote too, and then took a hit that turned me to ash.

Sheesh. 2 hours downloading the console update, still 15% to go. Made a mistake not starting this before work this morning.

Prabooo

Cyrodiil= PvP.

PvE in Cyrodiil= Death.

Simple.

Ra'Shtar

Its the power creep, abilities can hit so hard that in PvP you need to use certain traits and abilities YES or YES if you want to have a chance at fighting back and not be totally obliterated from Nirn.

Soleya

Need to get yourself a group.

Once we were in IC and one of our group wasn't stealthed. She waved at the enemy, who then attacked her. He didn't know that 11 of us were stealthed right near her. He died rather quickly. Maybe next time he won't be so hasty to attack.

Even just having another person with you means if you die and they are hidden, they can rez you after the enemy leaves.

ScooberSteve

Welcome to the jungle.

FortheloveofKrist

My bow does not understand this emote you describe.

Next time....sneak toward (not away from) the anchor. People fighting anchors in Cyrodiil are just gank fodder. Wait until they are at about 50% health or so and smack dem DC dingleberries to deaf!

Resume questing.

Xjcon

I would have killed you once. Then let it be. Farming you as fast as that person did was a waste as you were worth very little AP at that point. In a PVP setting it brings out some of the worst in people and to expect someone who doesn't know you to give a pass in that situation is in error on your part. If it gets bad just hop to another campaign.

TheShadowScout

If you go to cyrodil, you have three choices...

• Sneak Everywhere. All the fu... uhm... all theTime. Slowly creep across the whole map, and be very careful when you stop sneaking. It'll take hours to do anything, but the danger of gankage is usually pretty low.
• Bring friends. Lots of friends. Well trained and equipped friends. Zerg all in your path until you hit someone who brought more or better friends. Conquer the whole map if you can, then do PvE questing while the other sides are busy taking their keeps back... Being in a PvPlayer guild helps with that one...
• Accept that you will be respawning a LOT. And plan for it. If someone is camping one spot, use transitus shrines and go elsewhere. Doesn't matter if you turn in that quest now, or go to a different town and do the quests there for a hour until the camper gets bored and wanders off.

Horker

welcome in cyrodill my friend,

tip for you, learn how to pvp, learn every damn exploit in pvp, learn every mechanic, learn every fukin' build out there, learn learn, or go in zergballs and spam AoE

Horker

what i do when i quest in cyrodill, i play my, over 5k health regen DK with hard cap resistances, so whenever ppl try to gank my, i buff up only, wait 1 minute until they get my health below 60%, and then ill do a /lol emote, and if they dont leave me, i will release hell , yes still manage to hit 7k wb and 10k leaps, because balance.

and yes, "how is your sustain, ur a tank u cant kill me" well here are numbers: 1,4k mag reg, 5,2k health reg, 2k stam regen, 2,2k weapon damage, 30k health, 20k stamina. with only 93 CP's lmao

Soleya

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

what i do when i quest in cyrodill, i play my, over 5k health regen DK with hard cap resistances, so whenever ppl try to gank my, i buff up only, wait 1 minute until they get my health below 60%, and then ill do a /lol emote, and if they dont leave me, i will release hell , yes still manage to hit 7k wb and 10k leaps, because balance.

and yes, "how is your sustain, ur a tank u cant kill me" well here are numbers: 1,4k mag reg, 5,2k health reg, 2k stam regen, 2,2k weapon damage, 30k health, 20k stamina. with only 93 CP's lmao

Just curious, which gear gets you that kind of regen?

AddictionX

basically everyone is going to tell you to l2p man and blame you for the guy attacking you over and over again that some how its your fault.

Well its sick when people go out of their way to kill in questing zones. Sadly the mentality everyone has here "is its a pvp zone expect for the opposing faction to farm your questing zone when you clearly are not fighting back."

Too many rouge styles of gameplay not enough warrior type of gameplay.

I think these very people are the reason we have not achieved balance in the game, they defend whats broken... and encourage this gameplay cause when lets say you did learn to pvp... you'll quickly find out when they cant kill you they'll run away, and stalk you till they can kill you. The very same people that will whisper you into a 1v1 match after a failed gank attempt, thats the pvp of cyrodil

Uriel_Nocturne

ArchMikem wrote: »

The first time I decided to try going into Cyrodiil, I was level 30-something, and I very quickly learned I was leagues out of my depth and hopelessly useless. So I just as quickly left, and never went back.

I'm a Veteran 10 now. And I decided to go back in thinking I could hold my own in case an errant player tries to assert their dominance.

I join a campaign, I get into Cyrodiil, and I decide to start off picking up an old quest I had started way back on my first foray in. Time to travel to Bruma! So I mount my Lioness, hop the wall and start the very, VERY long trek half way across the map to Bruma. When I finally get there, a Dark Anchor is active, and Dremora are everywhere. The paranoid bugger I am, I go hidden and sneak my way into town. Of course I fail miserably as a Dremora here and a Skeleton there spot me and I have to put them down.

Then I see it. It's a glimpse. A yellow icon over a moving figure.

I damn near sh*t my pants. And then as I near the anchor it gets worse. Blue icons. A couple of Vet16 DC players are doing the anchor. Now don't misunderstand, this is at 4AM Pacific time. I had believed I wouldn't see a single person. But here I was hiding from two DC veterans, who then find and murder the lone AD player I saw earlier.

Finally I found my chance to get to the quest marker, thinking they've gone. I go into this building, find the NPC, do a thing here and there. And when I go back to turn in the quest, there's an AD player standing right there where I was going. He sees me. I freak out. I try to use the Surrender emote. He annihilates me in seconds.

And then I have to respawn. ALL. THE WAY. AT THE BEGINNING. Oh, but that's not the end. I decide to try it again. I hop on my mount, go to the wall, and RIGHT when I hop over it, standing RIGHT there just outside the wall is a Vet16 AD player. I'm annihilated in seconds. He then begins to farm me as I try to leave, and it takes another level capped Pact player to get rid of him. So now I'm finally back on the road to Bruma so I can continue this stupid quest. But when I go through the Chim gate just GUESS who comes out of nowhere. Same person. He came back. Annihilated me in seconds.

I have to guess it took me a half hour to get back to Bruma and turn in the quest, only to be given another quest. And when I'm about to leave the building the questgiver was in, in trots another Dominion player. I frantically give the Surrender emote to tell him I don't want to fight. He doesn't care. I give out a couple attacks. I'm annihilated in seconds.

This is why I stick to the PvE zones. This is why PVP multiplayer gives me anger induced seizures.

I gave you the Surrender emote The Red Fury or whatever your name is!

I'm with you, OP. I despise the PvP in most every MMO I play, ESO included.

But those Skyshards and Quests... they call to me. So, I go into Cyrodiil.

What I do:

- Check my Campaigns. I find a low population server, and I join that one as a Guest. You still get the XP from Quests, and Skyshards are logged as "taken" regardless of which Campaign you're in.
- When approaching a city/town.village to pick up a Quest, I go in slowly in Sneak (as you described yourself as doing) and look around for a bit for enemy players. If there are none, I proceed as normal. If there's just a few, I hide for a bit and watch them. If they leave, I proceed as normal. If those players don't leave, or if the area is packed with the enemy, I get out of Dodge ASAP.
- Realizing that there is no real respawn points, if I cannot find a low pop campaign, I choose a campaign where my Alliance is absolutely dominating. That virtually ensures that there is a Keep close by where I can respawn should the worst happen.

My only issue is when tackling a Delve in Cyrodiil. While I can Solo these with little trouble, there is always the chance that an enemy Alliance decides that this is the particular Delve that they want to hang out in. Then I'm trapped in a Delve with no real way out.

Usually that's when I try my best to get the Skyshard and beat the Delve Boss without being noticed. If I can accomplish that, then getting out is easy. I just go kamikaze at the enemy Alliance, and they usually grease my path back to a friendly Keep. lol

But overall, I agree with you. trying to Skyshard hunt and Quest in Cyrodiil is one of the most frustrating parts of this game, and one of the only things I can think of that I actually dislike having to do. So, I prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.

llllADBllll

Stay out of Bruma. The Rogues lurk there....

catalyst10e

AddictionX wrote: »

basically everyone is going to tell you to l2p man and blame you for the guy attacking you over and over again that some how its your fault.

Well its sick when people go out of their way to kill in questing zones. Sadly the mentality everyone has here "is its a pvp zone expect for the opposing faction to farm your questing zone when you clearly are not fighting back."

Too many rouge styles of gameplay not enough warrior type of gameplay.

I think these very people are the reason we have not achieved balance in the game, they defend whats broken... and encourage this gameplay cause when lets say you did learn to pvp... you'll quickly find out when they cant kill you they'll run away, and stalk you till they can kill you. The very same people that will whisper you into a 1v1 match after a failed gank attempt, thats the pvp of cyrodil

Most of what the OP described was a L2P issue. Which they even address as such after giving us and update saying they went back and had a better time after listening to some of the advise given. For the record tho, If you keep dying to the same person over and over again, it IS your fault. It's not defending the farmer, it's blaming the person who willingly throws themselves at the enemy, and refuses to fight, in a zone that promotes fighting between players. The Farmer wasn't at fault for being in Bruma, and doing as the game intended and killing a player. You don't get to go into a warzone and dictate how, or if, the enemy engages you. You DO however have every opportunity to say "Hey, so far, that guy has killed me 6 times, maybe I should move on" and find a new location or server.

I've been wrecking blow spammed by just as many heavy armored clad warriors as I have been spambushed by Nightblades. I now have a legit rival who does just that in the PVE zones when he sees me. He once waited and let me kill members of his own faction who attacked me while I was questing before he then started to spam WB. So I'd say theres still plenty of "warrior gameplay" but I assume what you actually meant to say was you wish everyone played like-warriors where no one uses distance to regain resources or surviveability, no one hides to get the jump on people or cloaks to lose LoS, and we all just stand face to face spamming heavy attacks with swords till one side is dead.

If anything is to blame for not achieving balance, its the people who believe in these archaic arch-types where there is just a warrior in heavy armor using a sword, a mage in light armor using a staff, and a thief in medium armor using daggers. If you did in fact L2P, the above scenario you describe wouldn't even happen. It just sounds like you've been ganked one too many times and have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about it. A gank is easy to spot coming when you know what to look for, and thankfully a lot of the NB like to "mark" you before they do it anyways, practically telegraphing their attack to you. If they can't kill you and run away, your options are to stay on them, or let them run. If you stay on them, they die, if you let them run away, drop into stealth. They panic when they can't see you and will come right back to find you. If they dont for whatever reason, good, your survived the gank, continue with your play session. If they stalk you and somehow manage to gank you (even tho they couldn't originally?) you learn a new lesson. Why did you let your guard down when you knew they were out there? Save those 1v1 requests it means you griefed a griefer, and his pride is hurt and wants to redeem himself, nothing angers them more than denying that request.

Do you do anything for the betterment of Cyrodiil? I personally go to the PVE locations not just to do the daily quests, but to fish out some of those gankers. If I have time I make my way back there and help protect some of the people there or gather guildmates to come and clear out an area when we have nothing else going on. Be the player you wish had been around when you got started in PVP.

Cryptical

I'm only up to vet 6, can't make 6 trait yet, only got vigor/p.det with the recalc of alliance skills, so as a kaj nb I'm still squishy with pee poor regen. I used to use mark as the opener to a battle but no more.

I've come around to using piercing mark to make people galloping to a battle drop off their horse, denying the keep reinforcements. It's fun tagging one or two of a galloping clump to see them all leap from the saddle spamming their buffs and dodge rolling around when no attack is coming. It's better if I can let a single focused aim fly and step behind a tree or high rock before it hits, hiding that colored floating emblem when the hit takes me from crouch.

Or I use it as a support tool to keep others from getting back to stealth. I've seen more a few using ranged attacks and keeping their distance, going to crouch hide before others get to melee range, relying on reflect. Marking them keeps them visible and unable to evade for alliance allies to clobber them.

Kreetar

*rant & illustration ahead*

I feel so, so much less alone right now. holy ***. I am NOT the best player and, if you've had the displeasure of being grouped with me in PvE, you would see it very clearly that I kind of don't know what I'm doing (but I'm learning!). so I went to Cyrodiil back when I first got the game in the summer of 2014. I remember having zero concept of how any of that worked and was quite frankly overwhelmed--but not for long. I trotted aimlessly for maybe two whole minutes and I get the tiniest, TINIEST glimpse of another player in front of me before I'm snuffed out like a candle. okay, fine. they're much more experienced and are less of a spaz than I am. not a difficult thing to accomplish, and I'm not offended! ...but I did something similar to you.

Veteran 16, just decided to poke around seriously last week. travel ages on my guar, hoping that I'm basically one of maybe 2 or 3 other players there in totality. I felt some sense of relief when I was able to get from point A, to point B, to point C and seemingly progressing there in Cyrodiil. I would spot another player only on occasion (it sent a cold chill up my spine every time because damn, I was almost to my destination and wouldn't that have sucked to be mauled ) and one time, someone even passed by and let me live! THEY LET. ME LIVE. haha, little did I know that'd be the only time.

it's one thing to see them from afar and go & hide, but it's another to be taking every precaution, sneaking slowly and BAM! some elf hiding behind a rock has been in stealth mode waiting for a sucker like me.

am I at fault for not asking for help? probably.
am I at fault for not knowing where and who will help me...? I feel like I'm always bothering someone and I have to be honest, I cannot stand being with the players who you know take it all too seriously and sometimes berate you for your armor, tactics, etc. I'd like someone who 'gets it' to come along and help turn me into a super-capable Cyrodiil champion!

-victorious fist in air-
-panting, looking around with wide-eyed crazy expression and fragile smile-

help.



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Some_Guy

Your obvious problem, as plainly seen by any PvPer, is that you're trying to do PvE (not PvP, according to what you described) in a PvP zone. If I see enemy player(s) and think I can take them, there's about a 99.9% chance (unless I'm too busy to be bothered) all the emotes in the world aren't going to save you.
Skill might, but not emotes.
I understand there are PvE quests in a PvP zone, and as with Imperial City and its Sewers, The PvE content there specifically comes with the PvP risks of being killed and not allowed to res on the spot. MOST of the PvPers I know, don't care to deal with "small fish" like you would find in the various PvE areas, as that there's more AP to be found in about 100 other places. But if for some crazy reason I just happen to go there (I would have to be incredibly bored....) and I see a VR10 of an enemy alliance doing a quest, you won't be given a chance to pop off an emote unless you have the world's fastest typing skills, because the first thing you're going to see is a gap closer and/or out-of-stealth massive hit of some crazy spammable abiliy (not wasting an ultimate on a random quester).
In short, and as nicely as I can POSSIBLY manage, if you don't want the PvP risk, stay out of PvP town. (Insert overly smiley, blood spattered face here)

DenMoria

It's threads like this that make me reconsider even bothering to resub and come back to ESO.

I love the game, don't get me wrong, but I will never be good enough to hold my own against the "professional" PvPers and just doing the same 50 levels over and over and over again is no fun.

Oh well.

catalyst10e

Kreetar wrote: »

*rant & illustration ahead*

I feel so, so much less alone right now. holy ***. I am NOT the best player and, if you've had the displeasure of being grouped with me in PvE, you would see it very clearly that I kind of don't know what I'm doing (but I'm learning!). so I went to Cyrodiil back when I first got the game in the summer of 2014. I remember having zero concept of how any of that worked and was quite frankly overwhelmed--but not for long. I trotted aimlessly for maybe two whole minutes and I get the tiniest, TINIEST glimpse of another player in front of me before I'm snuffed out like a candle. okay, fine. they're much more experienced and are less of a spaz than I am. not a difficult thing to accomplish, and I'm not offended! ...but I did something similar to you.

Veteran 16, just decided to poke around seriously last week. travel ages on my guar, hoping that I'm basically one of maybe 2 or 3 other players there in totality. I felt some sense of relief when I was able to get from point A, to point B, to point C and seemingly progressing there in Cyrodiil. I would spot another player only on occasion (it sent a cold chill up my spine every time because damn, I was almost to my destination and wouldn't that have sucked to be mauled ) and one time, someone even passed by and let me live! THEY LET. ME LIVE. haha, little did I know that'd be the only time.

it's one thing to see them from afar and go & hide, but it's another to be taking every precaution, sneaking slowly and BAM! some elf hiding behind a rock has been in stealth mode waiting for a sucker like me.

am I at fault for not asking for help? probably.
am I at fault for not knowing where and who will help me...? I feel like I'm always bothering someone and I have to be honest, I cannot stand being with the players who you know take it all too seriously and sometimes berate you for your armor, tactics, etc. I'd like someone who 'gets it' to come along and help turn me into a super-capable Cyrodiil champion!

-victorious fist in air-
-panting, looking around with wide-eyed crazy expression and fragile smile-

help.



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It sounds like you're on PC, while I myself am on console, So I wouldnt be able to assist in game, but I'd be happy to offer and pointers I can to you.

DenMoria wrote: »

It's threads like this that make me reconsider even bothering to resub and come back to ESO.

I love the game, don't get me wrong, but I will never be good enough to hold my own against the "professional" PvPers and just doing the same 50 levels over and over and over again is no fun.

Oh well.

No with that attitude you wouldnt... Never is a long time, give yourself some credit, PVPing isnt that hard, the bulk of it comes down to just not freaking out when you see an enemy, accepting that a loss to a player is no different then losing to an AI, and figuring out which 2 skills are best to spam together, since that's what you'll be doing mostly.

mr1sho

Learn to fight I'm tired of seeing PVE players QQ about cyro If you want to quest in a warzone learn to fight or go back to your PVE content which is 99% of the dang game

Shardaxx

Bruma is the worst quest village for running into enemy players, maybe try one of the 4 other villages, and find someone to play with as it helps a lot. Cyro is nasty alone, your best defense if you meet a group is a fast mount!

Soleya

Shardaxx wrote: »

Bruma is the worst quest village for running into enemy players, maybe try one of the 4 other villages, and find someone to play with as it helps a lot. Cyro is nasty alone, your best defense if you meet a group is a fast mount!

Cropsford is just as bad with all the farmers in Cracked Wood Cave.

catalyst10e

Slayer9292_ESO wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

Bruma is the worst quest village for running into enemy players, maybe try one of the 4 other villages, and find someone to play with as it helps a lot. Cyro is nasty alone, your best defense if you meet a group is a fast mount!

Cropsford is just as bad with all the farmers in Cracked Wood Cave.

I have to agree here, I come across the most trouble in Cropsford. In Bruma I have taken a delve with a member of my enemy faction many times. Or convince them to yield, or in some cases killed to earn their respect. in Cropsford... it's kill everything in sight.

imredneckson

ArchMikem wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Ok what class are you and what gear were you wearing?

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2800430/#Comment_2800430

^ Character sheet + Gear

My ability bar is a Lightning Destruction staff with Liquid Lightning, Destructive Clench, Hardened Ward, Mage's Wrath, and Inner Light with Soul Assault for the ultimate.

Secondary is a Healing staff with Illustrious Healing, Combat Prayer, Power Surge, Liquid Lightning, and Inner Light with Storm Atronach for the ultimate.

Ok so I would recommend going full impen its saved my life more than I thought it would, also I would be stacking shields wearing 5 light 2 heavy ( one being the chest piece ). I would try out 5x kagrenacs hope for PvP and 4x magnus for more regen, max magicka, and spell damage, nirn on your weapons ( maybe go dual wield for more spell damage but lightning staff works as well ) keep the Soul shrine until you can get willpower jewelry and add spell damage onto them. replace your mundus stone to either the apprentice or the atronach. last for food try max HP /magicka regen or magicka stamina regen drinks

also for a few other builds look at a few online from YouTube you can get better ideas but note this is PvP YOU WILL GET REKT no if ands or buts you will its a given.

starkerealm

catalyst10e wrote: »

Slayer9292_ESO wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

Bruma is the worst quest village for running into enemy players, maybe try one of the 4 other villages, and find someone to play with as it helps a lot. Cyro is nasty alone, your best defense if you meet a group is a fast mount!

Cropsford is just as bad with all the farmers in Cracked Wood Cave.

I have to agree here, I come across the most trouble in Cropsford. In Bruma I have taken a delve with a member of my enemy faction many times. Or convince them to yield, or in some cases killed to earn their respect. in Cropsford... it's kill everything in sight.

Data point of one, but I've encountered far more gankers in Cropsford than I've ever seen in Bruma. Both as Pact and Dominion, across multiple campaigns.

Crimsonwolf666

mr1sho wrote: »

Next time send him all your gold he will leave to quest in peace if you want quest in cyro you have to pay the toll or learn to fight

Yeah...no. That sure as all oblivion isn't even a guarantee and then you just gave some @$$$%^ your money on top of being completely rekt. Besides that's a bully/tyrant mentality and paying ppl like that only enables their weak personality.
Go in groups or try to pick campaigns that have the least amount of your enemy factions on if you wanna quest. Stealth is your friend, invis pots, detect pots, magelight are also your friend. But I would mostly stick with a group, grab a friend or someone to go with you. Eventually you learn how to escape, how to fight, and the best times to quest or just Pvp.

Cryptical

It may need to be repeated.

Dying.
To.
Other.
Players.
Does.
NOT.
Break.
Your.
Armor.

At least, I've never seen it. Getting killed by falling off a cliff, or by slaughter fish, or by an npc mob... That will hit your armor so you should visit the siege merch for repairs. But never had to do repairs from getting killed by other players.

So there's really nothing to fear from pvp death. It's not going to bankrupt you with repair bills. So don't hold back, go all out, try weird ideas.

Also, it's worth noting that under certain conditions you can rez yourself on the spot - using that soul summons passive.

disintegr8

I agree with OP that for people who want to quest, Cyrodiil (and IC) are a waste of time. I have spent 30 or 40 minutes travelling from one place to another only to get jumped on by other PVPers when nearing my destination and having to start all over again. Nobody can call that fun.

I only go there in organised guild groups. Considering they are usually only interested in fighting other alliances and have no interest in quests, I have given up any thought of questing in PVP areas.

Due to having a setup for PVE I spend a lot of time dead in Cyrodiil and I can live with that when in a group - some have to die for the greater good . Maybe when I am sick of PVE and lose interest in the undaunted dungeons I will permanently switch out to a PVP setup but I cannot be bothered changing everything out every day just for a game.

I have no idea what benefit AP points (?) are, have no knowledge of what benefit I get from collecting Tel Var stones and the other assorted items you get in IC. So aside from running around killing people (which to me is not fun), I do not see the point of spending too much time in PVP world.

GuardianStriker

At the same time, he's kind of right. I'm just a Level 20 khajiit Nightblade in this place and I often get one-shotted or killed in 2 or 3 hits max most of the time. It's just so hard and grinding for levels takes hours and hours. Even when questing and grinding on mob kills. I'm always constantly in stealth mode and using ranged weapons like bows and staffs. Heck, even my poison arrow skill doesn't even do much and it's maxed out on rank.

But at the same time, I feel he's just another whiner. I know very well that Cyrodiil is a ruthless and dangerous place, so I have to expect things to be very unfair. Because lets face it, real life war isn't exactly fair either. Encountered a tank and you're just a lone infantry man? Tough. You're in war where there's no such thing as fair in war.

Think about the challenge in Dark Souls. One where you struggle against the greatest challenges to achieve the ultimate reward.