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People on the forums have no concept of balance
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Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Doncellius wrote: »@Strider_Roshin You come off as a Nightblade whos build revolves around spamming Veiled Strike, and who doesn't use Strife. Are you? I have never had issues with nightblades who spam Strife. Literally zero nightblades who spam Strife have proven difficult to defeat (maybe it's just my luck).
I've had significant trouble when a high Spell or Weapon Damage NB using Lotus Fan/Concealed Weapon hits me for 50+% of my health from stealth before Fearing (Ambush/Surprise Attack). Almost all Nightblades do this. That is a powerful combo, and strife may be strong but it is never spammed in Magicka NB rotations I've had to face. Decreasing the cost of Veiled Strike is the very definition of a Wroble-esque balance, to make a powerful skill significantly better while removing alternatives.
40% increase cost for Strife and 20% decrease cost of Veiled Strike = Nightblade buff. I rarely use my V3 nightblade, yet he DOES NOT need this buff.
Time and place determines which one I use, and it makes zero sense why a move that does 7% more damage costs half as much, and has a range of 5m verses 28m0 -
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✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Balance is a big Taboo, it takes long time to figure out how to make things work so it's impossible that people on the forum could give "positive" suggestions about how numbers should go.
I think it's stupid giving mechanics suggestion on the forum, since everyone of us has its view of the game, with its little experience that does not make the whole picture at all.
I just think that you could only give number related suggestion, like "ehy look, the first 30 places in vMA are held by magicka users, is there something wrong?" and then let the developers figure out what can be done.
Saying things like "you need to nerf this, double the cost in that, give us this piece of gear" is totally useless, since none of us is a hired developer of this game and does not know EVERY mechanic around it.
Still i think the game is unbalanced on the magicka side (as i wrote before, numbers speak by themselves, sorcs and magicka users are the best, no matter what) but I cannot give any advice on what needs to be changed.
That would be the logical approach but this is how it happened.
"Hmmm all the top players doing VMSA are magicka users, and the ones getting Flawless the easiest are magicka Sorcs and magicka Templars. Let's give them a buff and nerf all stamina builds."
Genius!
That's another argument for PvP Arenas. Through Arena winrates ZOS could take a look at the overperforming builds.
True, it would help get some good numbers about class balance in PvP; just like VMSA in PvE0 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »ColoursYouHave wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »@Strider_Roshin You come off as a Nightblade whos build revolves around spamming Veiled Strike, and who doesn't use Strife. Are you? I have never had issues with nightblades who spam Strife. Literally zero nightblades who spam Strife have proven difficult to defeat (maybe it's just my luck).
I've had significant trouble when a high Spell or Weapon Damage NB using Lotus Fan/Concealed Weapon hits me for 50+% of my health from stealth before Fearing (Ambush/Surprise Attack). Almost all Nightblades do this. That is a powerful combo, and strife may be strong but it is never spammed in Magicka NB rotations I've had to face. Decreasing the cost of Veiled Strike is the very definition of a Wroble-esque balance, to make a powerful skill significantly better while removing alternatives.
40% increase cost for Strife and 20% decrease cost of Veiled Strike = Nightblade buff. I rarely use my V3 nightblade, yet he DOES NOT need this buff.
Exactly this. As though the Proxy Det, Sap, Soul Tether combo weren't strong enough, lets make Veiled Strike stronger too!
My most played character is a Magicka NB, btw, and I would view the OP's proposed changes as a buff to a really strong class, while some other house-based classes are still suffering.
It's not making it stronger; it's making the cost appropriate.
Making one of the most used NB skills cost less and making a skill that is only used sometimes cost more is definitely making NBs stronger. And again, as somebody who mains NBs, they are already strong enough.Strider_Roshin wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »@Strider_Roshin You come off as a Nightblade whos build revolves around spamming Veiled Strike, and who doesn't use Strife. Are you? I have never had issues with nightblades who spam Strife. Literally zero nightblades who spam Strife have proven difficult to defeat (maybe it's just my luck).
I've had significant trouble when a high Spell or Weapon Damage NB using Lotus Fan/Concealed Weapon hits me for 50+% of my health from stealth before Fearing (Ambush/Surprise Attack). Almost all Nightblades do this. That is a powerful combo, and strife may be strong but it is never spammed in Magicka NB rotations I've had to face. Decreasing the cost of Veiled Strike is the very definition of a Wroble-esque balance, to make a powerful skill significantly better while removing alternatives.
40% increase cost for Strife and 20% decrease cost of Veiled Strike = Nightblade buff. I rarely use my V3 nightblade, yet he DOES NOT need this buff.
Time and place determines which one I use, and it makes zero sense why a move that does 7% more damage costs half as much, and has a range of 5m verses 28m
Did you just choose to ignore the multiple other benefits provided by Veiled Strike that people have been describing in this thread? Veiled Strike grants a free stun, a free armor buff, cannot be reflected, and the additional damage over Strife is not insignificant. Go into Cyrodiil right now, find another Nightblade, (who I can almost guarantee will be casting Veiled Strike generously) and try killing him using Strife instead of Veiled Strike, then come tell me that Veiled Strike needs a buff and Strife needs a nerf...2 -
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✭✭✭ColoursYouHave wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »ColoursYouHave wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »@Strider_Roshin You come off as a Nightblade whos build revolves around spamming Veiled Strike, and who doesn't use Strife. Are you? I have never had issues with nightblades who spam Strife. Literally zero nightblades who spam Strife have proven difficult to defeat (maybe it's just my luck).
I've had significant trouble when a high Spell or Weapon Damage NB using Lotus Fan/Concealed Weapon hits me for 50+% of my health from stealth before Fearing (Ambush/Surprise Attack). Almost all Nightblades do this. That is a powerful combo, and strife may be strong but it is never spammed in Magicka NB rotations I've had to face. Decreasing the cost of Veiled Strike is the very definition of a Wroble-esque balance, to make a powerful skill significantly better while removing alternatives.
40% increase cost for Strife and 20% decrease cost of Veiled Strike = Nightblade buff. I rarely use my V3 nightblade, yet he DOES NOT need this buff.
Exactly this. As though the Proxy Det, Sap, Soul Tether combo weren't strong enough, lets make Veiled Strike stronger too!
My most played character is a Magicka NB, btw, and I would view the OP's proposed changes as a buff to a really strong class, while some other house-based classes are still suffering.
It's not making it stronger; it's making the cost appropriate.
Making one of the most used NB skills cost less and making a skill that is only used sometimes cost more is definitely making NBs stronger. And again, as somebody who mains NBs, they are already strong enough.Strider_Roshin wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »@Strider_Roshin You come off as a Nightblade whos build revolves around spamming Veiled Strike, and who doesn't use Strife. Are you? I have never had issues with nightblades who spam Strife. Literally zero nightblades who spam Strife have proven difficult to defeat (maybe it's just my luck).
I've had significant trouble when a high Spell or Weapon Damage NB using Lotus Fan/Concealed Weapon hits me for 50+% of my health from stealth before Fearing (Ambush/Surprise Attack). Almost all Nightblades do this. That is a powerful combo, and strife may be strong but it is never spammed in Magicka NB rotations I've had to face. Decreasing the cost of Veiled Strike is the very definition of a Wroble-esque balance, to make a powerful skill significantly better while removing alternatives.
40% increase cost for Strife and 20% decrease cost of Veiled Strike = Nightblade buff. I rarely use my V3 nightblade, yet he DOES NOT need this buff.
Time and place determines which one I use, and it makes zero sense why a move that does 7% more damage costs half as much, and has a range of 5m verses 28m
Did you just choose to ignore the multiple other benefits provided by Veiled Strike that people have been describing in this thread? Veiled Strike grants a free stun, a free armor buff, cannot be reflected, and the additional damage over Strife is not insignificant. Go into Cyrodiil right now, find another Nightblade, (who I can almost guarantee will be casting Veiled Strike generously) and try killing him using Strife instead of Veiled Strike, then come tell me that Veiled Strike needs a buff and Strife needs a nerf...
The Strife will win because the Veiled Strike user will run out of magicka whereas the Strife user is still hovering around 90% (sarcasm)
Also I'm not ignoring the benefits of both, but lets just say two nightblades of equal strength saw each other at a distance. I can land two strifes before the veiled strike user even closes the gap, then I get hit by a lotus fan while dealing another strife. So now we're looking at 3 strifes vs 1 lotus fan. From that point it's an equal exchange of strife vs veiled, and the strife user will win. Having a 28m range is a huge advantage. Don't believe me? Try reading all the forums that whine about WB's 7m range (not as many anymore with the stamina nerf). The damage difference is insignificant. It's 8500 vs 9100. In Cyrodiil it's 300 points of damage. It's a great move but I can't justify the enormous cost difference between the two. It doesn't add up.0 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »ColoursYouHave wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »ColoursYouHave wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »@Strider_Roshin You come off as a Nightblade whos build revolves around spamming Veiled Strike, and who doesn't use Strife. Are you? I have never had issues with nightblades who spam Strife. Literally zero nightblades who spam Strife have proven difficult to defeat (maybe it's just my luck).
I've had significant trouble when a high Spell or Weapon Damage NB using Lotus Fan/Concealed Weapon hits me for 50+% of my health from stealth before Fearing (Ambush/Surprise Attack). Almost all Nightblades do this. That is a powerful combo, and strife may be strong but it is never spammed in Magicka NB rotations I've had to face. Decreasing the cost of Veiled Strike is the very definition of a Wroble-esque balance, to make a powerful skill significantly better while removing alternatives.
40% increase cost for Strife and 20% decrease cost of Veiled Strike = Nightblade buff. I rarely use my V3 nightblade, yet he DOES NOT need this buff.
Exactly this. As though the Proxy Det, Sap, Soul Tether combo weren't strong enough, lets make Veiled Strike stronger too!
My most played character is a Magicka NB, btw, and I would view the OP's proposed changes as a buff to a really strong class, while some other house-based classes are still suffering.
It's not making it stronger; it's making the cost appropriate.
Making one of the most used NB skills cost less and making a skill that is only used sometimes cost more is definitely making NBs stronger. And again, as somebody who mains NBs, they are already strong enough.Strider_Roshin wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »@Strider_Roshin You come off as a Nightblade whos build revolves around spamming Veiled Strike, and who doesn't use Strife. Are you? I have never had issues with nightblades who spam Strife. Literally zero nightblades who spam Strife have proven difficult to defeat (maybe it's just my luck).
I've had significant trouble when a high Spell or Weapon Damage NB using Lotus Fan/Concealed Weapon hits me for 50+% of my health from stealth before Fearing (Ambush/Surprise Attack). Almost all Nightblades do this. That is a powerful combo, and strife may be strong but it is never spammed in Magicka NB rotations I've had to face. Decreasing the cost of Veiled Strike is the very definition of a Wroble-esque balance, to make a powerful skill significantly better while removing alternatives.
40% increase cost for Strife and 20% decrease cost of Veiled Strike = Nightblade buff. I rarely use my V3 nightblade, yet he DOES NOT need this buff.
Time and place determines which one I use, and it makes zero sense why a move that does 7% more damage costs half as much, and has a range of 5m verses 28m
Did you just choose to ignore the multiple other benefits provided by Veiled Strike that people have been describing in this thread? Veiled Strike grants a free stun, a free armor buff, cannot be reflected, and the additional damage over Strife is not insignificant. Go into Cyrodiil right now, find another Nightblade, (who I can almost guarantee will be casting Veiled Strike generously) and try killing him using Strife instead of Veiled Strike, then come tell me that Veiled Strike needs a buff and Strife needs a nerf...
The Strife will win because the Veiled Strike user will run out of magicka whereas the Strife user is still hovering around 90% (sarcasm)
Also I'm not ignoring the benefits of both, but lets just say two nightblades of equal strength saw each other at a distance. I can land two strifes before the veiled strike user even closes the gap, then I get hit by a lotus fan while dealing another strife. So now we're looking at 3 strifes vs 1 lotus fan. From that point it's an equal exchange of strife vs veiled, and the strife user will win. Having a 28m range is a huge advantage. Don't believe me? Try reading all the forums that whine about WB's 7m range (not as many anymore with the stamina nerf). The damage difference is insignificant. It's 8500 vs 9100. In Cyrodiil it's 300 points of damage. It's a great move but I can't justify the enormous cost difference between the two. It doesn't add up.
If a VS user is running out of magicka that quickly, they need better resource management. If you know what you're doing you can easily use VS as much as you need without running out of magicka. And sure on paper that looks great, but this isn't a turn based game so things seldom work out as cleanly as the example you provided. For instance, if I run into a NB trying to spam Strife, I'll simply dodge roll into Cloak, Lotus Fan, Fear, Sap, and go into VS spam. At this point, rather than looking at 3 Strifes vs. 1 Lotus Fan, we're looking at maybe 1 Strife vs. a Lotus Fan, Sap Essence, VS, and most likely a Proxy Det explosion (not to mention an armor buff from the VS). Or consider a NB running into a DK. Assuming the NB is using Strife, it'll be 100% useless against a DK who is using reflect (well, at least when ZOS fixes that stupid resource drain bug) while VS will be unaffected by the reflect.
As far as the range goes, it really isn't much of an advantage for the NB. With the prominence of gap closers in this game, even a half-decent player will have no problem getting to close range before you can do any significant amount of damage with strife (unless you're fighting a sorc, who will be able to do much more ranged damage than a NB anyways). Plus, a ranged skill really isn't very useful with the rest of the skills NBs have in their arsenal. Fear, Proxy Det, Soul Tether, Soul Harvest and Sap Essence are all very strong close ranged abilities that are useless is you're just standing at range spamming Strife. If you look at the two skills in a vacuum and take nothing else into consideration, I can see the argument that you're trying to make, but since ranged skills aren't very conducive to the rest of the strong close-ranged skills NBs have, it really isn't all that strong of an ability. I can't speak for everybody, but I'd imagine the only reason most NBs even use Strife is because of the low cost, and if you take that away a lot of people would probably drop it from their bar. If you really want a compromise, I suppose increasing the cost of Strife wouldn't do much more than cause it to become even less used than it already is, but you absolutely cannot decrease the cost of VS. I have killed many players in Cyrodiil with my Magicka NB, and I use both Swallow Soul and Concealed Weapon, and I can tell you from experience that using VS is well worth the additional magicka cost.0 -
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✭Strife is the NB class heal and as it is reflectable and rather weak HOT that is doubly affected by Battle Spirit it is fine where it currently is.
As for Veiled Strike and morphs, the cost is low enough as is. Especially for Surprise Attack proccing armor buffs on you and debuffing the enemy's armor, complete with stun. SA is one of the reasons everyone loves to hate NB's so can we pls just sit down and stay quiet to avoid more nerfs?
Seriously though, every thread that has anything to do with NB's turns into a QQ circle jerk. Pls no more polls or threads about NB skills.PC NA
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✭✭✭ColoursYouHave wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »ColoursYouHave wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »ColoursYouHave wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »@Strider_Roshin You come off as a Nightblade whos build revolves around spamming Veiled Strike, and who doesn't use Strife. Are you? I have never had issues with nightblades who spam Strife. Literally zero nightblades who spam Strife have proven difficult to defeat (maybe it's just my luck).
I've had significant trouble when a high Spell or Weapon Damage NB using Lotus Fan/Concealed Weapon hits me for 50+% of my health from stealth before Fearing (Ambush/Surprise Attack). Almost all Nightblades do this. That is a powerful combo, and strife may be strong but it is never spammed in Magicka NB rotations I've had to face. Decreasing the cost of Veiled Strike is the very definition of a Wroble-esque balance, to make a powerful skill significantly better while removing alternatives.
40% increase cost for Strife and 20% decrease cost of Veiled Strike = Nightblade buff. I rarely use my V3 nightblade, yet he DOES NOT need this buff.
Exactly this. As though the Proxy Det, Sap, Soul Tether combo weren't strong enough, lets make Veiled Strike stronger too!
My most played character is a Magicka NB, btw, and I would view the OP's proposed changes as a buff to a really strong class, while some other house-based classes are still suffering.
It's not making it stronger; it's making the cost appropriate.
Making one of the most used NB skills cost less and making a skill that is only used sometimes cost more is definitely making NBs stronger. And again, as somebody who mains NBs, they are already strong enough.Strider_Roshin wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »@Strider_Roshin You come off as a Nightblade whos build revolves around spamming Veiled Strike, and who doesn't use Strife. Are you? I have never had issues with nightblades who spam Strife. Literally zero nightblades who spam Strife have proven difficult to defeat (maybe it's just my luck).
I've had significant trouble when a high Spell or Weapon Damage NB using Lotus Fan/Concealed Weapon hits me for 50+% of my health from stealth before Fearing (Ambush/Surprise Attack). Almost all Nightblades do this. That is a powerful combo, and strife may be strong but it is never spammed in Magicka NB rotations I've had to face. Decreasing the cost of Veiled Strike is the very definition of a Wroble-esque balance, to make a powerful skill significantly better while removing alternatives.
40% increase cost for Strife and 20% decrease cost of Veiled Strike = Nightblade buff. I rarely use my V3 nightblade, yet he DOES NOT need this buff.
Time and place determines which one I use, and it makes zero sense why a move that does 7% more damage costs half as much, and has a range of 5m verses 28m
Did you just choose to ignore the multiple other benefits provided by Veiled Strike that people have been describing in this thread? Veiled Strike grants a free stun, a free armor buff, cannot be reflected, and the additional damage over Strife is not insignificant. Go into Cyrodiil right now, find another Nightblade, (who I can almost guarantee will be casting Veiled Strike generously) and try killing him using Strife instead of Veiled Strike, then come tell me that Veiled Strike needs a buff and Strife needs a nerf...
The Strife will win because the Veiled Strike user will run out of magicka whereas the Strife user is still hovering around 90% (sarcasm)
Also I'm not ignoring the benefits of both, but lets just say two nightblades of equal strength saw each other at a distance. I can land two strifes before the veiled strike user even closes the gap, then I get hit by a lotus fan while dealing another strife. So now we're looking at 3 strifes vs 1 lotus fan. From that point it's an equal exchange of strife vs veiled, and the strife user will win. Having a 28m range is a huge advantage. Don't believe me? Try reading all the forums that whine about WB's 7m range (not as many anymore with the stamina nerf). The damage difference is insignificant. It's 8500 vs 9100. In Cyrodiil it's 300 points of damage. It's a great move but I can't justify the enormous cost difference between the two. It doesn't add up.
If a VS user is running out of magicka that quickly, they need better resource management. If you know what you're doing you can easily use VS as much as you need without running out of magicka. And sure on paper that looks great, but this isn't a turn based game so things seldom work out as cleanly as the example you provided. For instance, if I run into a NB trying to spam Strife, I'll simply dodge roll into Cloak, Lotus Fan, Fear, Sap, and go into VS spam. At this point, rather than looking at 3 Strifes vs. 1 Lotus Fan, we're looking at maybe 1 Strife vs. a Lotus Fan, Sap Essence, VS, and most likely a Proxy Det explosion (not to mention an armor buff from the VS). Or consider a NB running into a DK. Assuming the NB is using Strife, it'll be 100% useless against a DK who is using reflect (well, at least when ZOS fixes that stupid resource drain bug) while VS will be unaffected by the reflect.
As far as the range goes, it really isn't much of an advantage for the NB. With the prominence of gap closers in this game, even a half-decent player will have no problem getting to close range before you can do any significant amount of damage with strife (unless you're fighting a sorc, who will be able to do much more ranged damage than a NB anyways). Plus, a ranged skill really isn't very useful with the rest of the skills NBs have in their arsenal. Fear, Proxy Det, Soul Tether, Soul Harvest and Sap Essence are all very strong close ranged abilities that are useless is you're just standing at range spamming Strife. If you look at the two skills in a vacuum and take nothing else into consideration, I can see the argument that you're trying to make, but since ranged skills aren't very conducive to the rest of the strong close-ranged skills NBs have, it really isn't all that strong of an ability. I can't speak for everybody, but I'd imagine the only reason most NBs even use Strife is because of the low cost, and if you take that away a lot of people would probably drop it from their bar. If you really want a compromise, I suppose increasing the cost of Strife wouldn't do much more than cause it to become even less used than it already is, but you absolutely cannot decrease the cost of VS. I have killed many players in Cyrodiil with my Magicka NB, and I use both Swallow Soul and Concealed Weapon, and I can tell you from experience that using VS is well worth the additional magicka cost.
Strife will still be a very useful skill, and it's due to it's excellent range. In PvE you can alternate Cripple with Strife for days, and not only will you be doing great damage, but you'll be speeding around your opponent; I think it's great! I really don't think it's very balanced though; cost wise. It is dirt cheap, and from a NB perspective I think it deserves a cost increase, and I think a cost decrease wouldn't be a bad idea for VS either, but that's just my opinion. I do thank you for keeping the discussion civil though; even though we don't entirely agree. It's very seldom that people display such control on the forums.0 -
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✭✭✭WreckfulAbandon wrote: »Strife is the NB class heal and as it is reflectable and rather weak HOT that is doubly affected by Battle Spirit it is fine where it currently is.
As for Veiled Strike and morphs, the cost is low enough as is. Especially for Surprise Attack proccing armor buffs on you and debuffing the enemy's armor, complete with stun. SA is one of the reasons everyone loves to hate NB's so can we pls just sit down and stay quiet to avoid more nerfs?
Seriously though, every thread that has anything to do with NB's turns into a QQ circle jerk. Pls no more polls or threads about NB skills.
I honestly wish they would get rid of the stun from SA just so people can stop throwing the "it's a CC!" line in there. There is an extreme minority out there that actually use this move for it's CC. Most stamblades that have any talent would much rather use Mass Hysteria for it's CC over the one acquired from SA.Edited by Strider_Roshin on March 20, 2016 11:57PM0 -
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✭✭✭OP, I know you are deeply invested in the cost of this one skill. But don't worry, I got your back.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/254572/should-the-cost-of-strife-be-changed-at-all0 -
Pendrillion✭✭✭✭I read through the first page of this thread and just started wondering, do we really have the full picture of what is and what isnt possible build wise? I mean most people probably go for the obvious choices and when they work they try to keep em. But we have so many abilities. And they can be combined in so many different ways...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »It's obvious that the people who post on here are either clueless, selfish, or both.
...Or the people that voted in those polls werent the same people.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭selfish would be picking swallow soul over funnel health.Smart would be to not use strife or its morphs anywhere near a dk.Why are you picking two different skills from two different trees and trying to make them equal? If you make them equal in cost them you should make them equal with buffs are you sure you want a 28 meter ranged attack with concealed weapons buffs? Would you want your concealed weapon reflected back at you?
in PVE the damage per use is about equal for my build 11k for swallow/funnel and 11.5-12k for CW. I do not have resource or sustain issues. They each have their uses. when I equip to heal with the nightboob I morph to funnel health and grab heals gearz and staff. When doing solo stuff I run swallow/cw/impale/*/*
PVP I tend to use whatever will not be reflected. you cannot always pick and choose your targets.
And what is up with all of the personal attacks in all of these posts all over this forum?0 -
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OP, I hereby refute your assertion.Strider_Roshin wrote: »I just made two polls. One was asking if we should increase the cost of Strife, and the overwhelming majority said no. The other was asking if we should decrease the cost of Veiled Strike, and the overwhelming majority said no. It's obvious that the people who post on here are either clueless, selfish, or both.
People are not clueless, the majority just do not want it changed.Edited by HoloYoitsu on March 21, 2016 2:12AM3 -
Refuse2GrowUp✭✭✭✭✭Can't help but laugh my arse off at this discussion. People voted on your polls, and are disagreeing with you here, but you continue to force your opinion upon them. And yet, everyone else are the morons with no concept of balance.
As for the cost of skills and resource management... you do realize you have a spammable skills that costs under 2k right? Have you tried playing a magicka DK? Their spammable skill (and most of their skills for that matter) costs what mid 3k, almost 4k magicka.
Move on. There is no issue here.PS4 NA Server
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✭✭✭✭✭For DKs and sorcs, you can have your healer or someone ele drain the targets (instant, free cast), and boom, all your sustain issues go away, even if you are using Kena, even if you're in a big AoE fight. Oh, and plus that destro staff passive that grants a huge magicka return each time a staff attack or ability kills a target.
And what do Nightblades have? Siphoning Attacks? LOL. Magblades already have lackluster AoE sustain, and the way they can sustain single-target is largely because of the low cost of Strife.
There's more to balance than just one single stat.
That said, Veiled Strike does cost quite a lot. But there are other issues with that.. (E.g., why the hell is it in the Shadow tree, where it procs Shadow Barrier instead of in the Assassination tree? Switch its spot with Blur for starters.)Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information0
