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Nightblade cloak is broken - cant cloak if affected by damage over time
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AtraisMachina✭✭✭AtraisMachina wrote: »
Well give me Shields to stack or reflective armor or breath of Life and i can stop using cloak. Is it so hard to get in to your heads that cloak is our way of getting out of harms way and our signature skill. The ignorance among thoose that never played NBs are Amazing. And we are rather easy to kill too so if u have a problem with NBs . L2P
Wait i can use bol and blazing shield! Wow stamplar life is sweet!! O wait....... Continue to tell me about my deffensive advantages!!! And also explain to me how you counter someone who is invisiable and untargetable. Yes detec pots work if they dont recloak but other than that as a stamp who refuses to spam wrecking blow please please explain to me how im supposed to kill you. I get freakin wrecked by nbs but everyother class I can at least hold my own against. When a cloaked nb attacks me in the sewers i just set my controller down and go smoke a cigeretteEdited by AtraisMachina on March 18, 2016 11:01PM1 -
Glamdring✭✭✭✭✭Just tired to see ppl cry about NBs this and NBs that.AtraisMachina wrote: »AtraisMachina wrote: »
Well give me Shields to stack or reflective armor or breath of Life and i can stop using cloak. Is it so hard to get in to your heads that cloak is our way of getting out of harms way and our signature skill. The ignorance among thoose that never played NBs are Amazing. And we are rather easy to kill too so if u have a problem with NBs . L2P
Wait i can use bol and blazing shield! Wow stamplar life is sweet!! O wait....... Continue to tell me about my deffensive advantages!!! And also explain to me how you counter someone who is invisiable and untargetable. Yes detec pots work if they dont recloak but other than that as a stamp who refuses to spam wrecking blow please please explain to me how im supposed to kill you. I get freakin wrecked by nbs but everyother class I can at least hold my own against. When a cloaked nb attacks me in the sewers i just set my controller down and go smoke a cigerette
Well, heard of caltrops and magelight?0 -
Glamdring✭✭✭✭✭And stealth isnt only for NBs, and if in sewers and u run into a mob fighting without checking out the area first for enemy players then u deserve to have it handed to you. If u can anticipate a Nbs attack and come out of his first burst with some Resources left then u will have the upper hand. U just have to throw out thoose caltrops so he cant run back and recharge.1
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AtraisMachina✭✭✭Im usually dead before i can toss trops. But i see your point. In any case nb have an offensive and deffensive advatage over my class. So ill continue to stay in pve until there nerfed alot or i get something to work with besides hoping i have enough stam after being attacked by nbs in the middle of burning adds, and cc breaking ambush spams to cast trops. And hoping i have enough stam to fight the nb after that.0
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L2P my man and you wouldn't have this problem Situational awareness is key to success in Imperial City.AtraisMachina wrote: »Im usually dead before i can toss trops. But i see your point. In any case nb have an offensive and deffensive advatage over my class. So ill continue to stay in pve until there nerfed alot or i get something to work with besides hoping i have enough stam after being attacked by nbs in the middle of burning adds, and cc breaking ambush spams to cast trops. And hoping i have enough stam to fight the nb after that.0 -
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L2P my man and you wouldn't have this problem Situational awareness is key to success in Imperial City.AtraisMachina wrote: »Im usually dead before i can toss trops. But i see your point. In any case nb have an offensive and deffensive advatage over my class. So ill continue to stay in pve until there nerfed alot or i get something to work with besides hoping i have enough stam after being attacked by nbs in the middle of burning adds, and cc breaking ambush spams to cast trops. And hoping i have enough stam to fight the nb after that.
No being a nightblade is the key to succses in ic. I can only assume everyone replying doesnt play a stampler and they play a nightblade so ill take it from someone who has the same prespective as me not from the people ganking me.Edited by AtraisMachina on March 19, 2016 8:06PM0 -
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✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Good.
Can't wait for the inevitable "you're-going-to-lose-money-if-you-don't-acquiesce-to-our-completely-broken-OP-invis-mechanics-that-destroy-class-parity" comments.
Git gud and L2P, scrublades
It seems someone is happy with bad implementation...
"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
ftfy
Its more like bad implementation than intended mechanic (read Natch Potes to learn what changes were). Even with not working Cloak skill i can slot Purge - what a differnce?
P.S raging around isnt good for health
I think you're too specific in your comment, could you please generalize it a bit more to make it easier for us NBs who want to learn how to fight properly.TheM0rganism wrote: »"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
PS: Your CAPS LOCK key is stuck!
No amount of Flares, Magelights, or Caltrops can make up for the fact that you are the only class to benefit from a half-dozen passives due to a faux-disengage that can be proc'd multiple times a fight.
Why do you think NBs are the most over populated class? Because they are EZ-mode and require the least amount of skill to play.
lol hello again friend, glad to see you spreading your salt all over the forums today. why don't you take a break and go practice a bit, maybe you will reach the point were you don't get you face *** on every time you run into a nb.
I don't get killed by NBs. Like ever. They always cloak away after their Ambush fails to kill me while I'm fighting something else.
really bruh??? don't you be lying to me!
God so many people moan about NB's then go on to say "well I never get killed by NB's anyway", and "NB's are the easiest kills".
Just pure jumping on the hate train.
Lol yeah i don't really get where all the salt pouring from their buttholes comes from if they're never getting kill by us...guess they don't like us cloaking and poking to see just how squishy they are.
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Well I play with someone who played Stamplar sense release and never had a problem playing it in IC.Against Gankers or being the ganky.So that's why I say its a L2P issue.I fought Stamplar in the sewers that did very well so IMO you just need to work on your buildAtraisMachina wrote: »
L2P my man and you wouldn't have this problem Situational awareness is key to success in Imperial City.AtraisMachina wrote: »Im usually dead before i can toss trops. But i see your point. In any case nb have an offensive and deffensive advatage over my class. So ill continue to stay in pve until there nerfed alot or i get something to work with besides hoping i have enough stam after being attacked by nbs in the middle of burning adds, and cc breaking ambush spams to cast trops. And hoping i have enough stam to fight the nb after that.
No being a nightblade is the key to succses in ic. I can only assume everyone replying doesnt play a stampler and they play a nightblade so ill take it from someone who has the same prespective as me not from the people ganking me.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/239400/bulletproof-templar-stamina-dps-templar-build
Here my buddy build try this if you need help.0 -
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✭You kids whining about nb are so cute. L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p l2p.
Seriously.
As for the stamplar yelling. I have been grinding my stamp lar in sewers. I kill nb with an undergeared low vet. Please see above.
Now, let's get back on topic. This is not a nb nerf/buff thread. Go elsewhere for that.0 -
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Well I play with someone who played Stamplar sense release and never had a problem playing it in IC.Against Gankers or being the ganky.So that's why I say its a L2P issue.I fought Stamplar in the sewers that did very well so IMO you just need to work on your buildAtraisMachina wrote: »
L2P my man and you wouldn't have this problem Situational awareness is key to success in Imperial City.AtraisMachina wrote: »Im usually dead before i can toss trops. But i see your point. In any case nb have an offensive and deffensive advatage over my class. So ill continue to stay in pve until there nerfed alot or i get something to work with besides hoping i have enough stam after being attacked by nbs in the middle of burning adds, and cc breaking ambush spams to cast trops. And hoping i have enough stam to fight the nb after that.
No being a nightblade is the key to succses in ic. I can only assume everyone replying doesnt play a stampler and they play a nightblade so ill take it from someone who has the same prespective as me not from the people ganking me.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/239400/bulletproof-templar-stamina-dps-templar-build
Here my buddy build try this if you need help.bowmanz607 wrote: »You kids whining about nb are so cute. L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p l2p.
Seriously.
As for the stamplar yelling. I have been grinding my stamp lar in sewers. I kill nb with an undergeared low vet. Please see above.
Now, let's get back on topic. This is not a nb nerf/buff thread. Go elsewhere for that.
So you are both ganking nbsEdited by AtraisMachina on March 20, 2016 3:16PM0 -
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Of course Ganking in Imperial City is my favorite past time.I also play Small man open world 4-6 people,Solo open world not running with a Zerg at my back Or dueling and 20-24 man at times with my guildmates when they have one and am bored.Majority of time am running solo or Ganking in the sewers.AtraisMachina wrote: »
Well I play with someone who played Stamplar sense release and never had a problem playing it in IC.Against Gankers or being the ganky.So that's why I say its a L2P issue.I fought Stamplar in the sewers that did very well so IMO you just need to work on your buildAtraisMachina wrote: »
L2P my man and you wouldn't have this problem Situational awareness is key to success in Imperial City.AtraisMachina wrote: »Im usually dead before i can toss trops. But i see your point. In any case nb have an offensive and deffensive advatage over my class. So ill continue to stay in pve until there nerfed alot or i get something to work with besides hoping i have enough stam after being attacked by nbs in the middle of burning adds, and cc breaking ambush spams to cast trops. And hoping i have enough stam to fight the nb after that.
No being a nightblade is the key to succses in ic. I can only assume everyone replying doesnt play a stampler and they play a nightblade so ill take it from someone who has the same prespective as me not from the people ganking me.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/239400/bulletproof-templar-stamina-dps-templar-build
Here my buddy build try this if you need help.bowmanz607 wrote: »You kids whining about nb are so cute. L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p l2p.
Seriously.
As for the stamplar yelling. I have been grinding my stamp lar in sewers. I kill nb with an undergeared low vet. Please see above.
Now, let's get back on topic. This is not a nb nerf/buff thread. Go elsewhere for that.
So your are both ganking nbs
I don't see why people have such a big problem with ganking which personally I find it fun and have no problem with it.Edited by Jaronking on March 20, 2016 3:48PM0 -
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Of course Ganking in Imperial City is my favorite past time.I also play Small man open world 4-6 people,Solo open world not running with a Zerg at my back Or dueling and 20-24 man at times with my guildmates when they have one and am bored.Majority of time am running solo or Ganking in the sewers.AtraisMachina wrote: »
Well I play with someone who played Stamplar sense release and never had a problem playing it in IC.Against Gankers or being the ganky.So that's why I say its a L2P issue.I fought Stamplar in the sewers that did very well so IMO you just need to work on your buildAtraisMachina wrote: »
L2P my man and you wouldn't have this problem Situational awareness is key to success in Imperial City.AtraisMachina wrote: »Im usually dead before i can toss trops. But i see your point. In any case nb have an offensive and deffensive advatage over my class. So ill continue to stay in pve until there nerfed alot or i get something to work with besides hoping i have enough stam after being attacked by nbs in the middle of burning adds, and cc breaking ambush spams to cast trops. And hoping i have enough stam to fight the nb after that.
No being a nightblade is the key to succses in ic. I can only assume everyone replying doesnt play a stampler and they play a nightblade so ill take it from someone who has the same prespective as me not from the people ganking me.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/239400/bulletproof-templar-stamina-dps-templar-build
Here my buddy build try this if you need help.bowmanz607 wrote: »You kids whining about nb are so cute. L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p l2p.
Seriously.
As for the stamplar yelling. I have been grinding my stamp lar in sewers. I kill nb with an undergeared low vet. Please see above.
Now, let's get back on topic. This is not a nb nerf/buff thread. Go elsewhere for that.
So your are both ganking nbs
I guess you have a problem with Ganking which personally I have no problem with.
Yea read up the posts a bit that how this conversation started. Im not saying that ive never ever killed a nightblade. Im saying they are at and offensive and deffensive advantage to my class when Im in the sewers. There are certain situation where I can kill nbs but when i get ganked in the middle of the sewers by one it usually 10/1 loss ratio in comparison to 50/50 when it happens with all other classes. Yes I hate gankers especially when ive been collecting telvar for an hour and you pop me in the middle of an add rotation and I cant even deffend my self because I cant see you. This conversation started with me sayin to op "now you know what it feels like to fight like a real man." Which i stand by. Recloaking out of dots is unfair and allows you to get multiple attacks of on my 0 hard mit arse before I can even target u which is stupid and is the reason i stay out of the sewers these days.0 -
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Ohh no I remember that but I edit my OP I meant to say People in general and not just you sorry about that.AtraisMachina wrote: »
Of course Ganking in Imperial City is my favorite past time.I also play Small man open world 4-6 people,Solo open world not running with a Zerg at my back Or dueling and 20-24 man at times with my guildmates when they have one and am bored.Majority of time am running solo or Ganking in the sewers.AtraisMachina wrote: »
Well I play with someone who played Stamplar sense release and never had a problem playing it in IC.Against Gankers or being the ganky.So that's why I say its a L2P issue.I fought Stamplar in the sewers that did very well so IMO you just need to work on your buildAtraisMachina wrote: »
L2P my man and you wouldn't have this problem Situational awareness is key to success in Imperial City.AtraisMachina wrote: »Im usually dead before i can toss trops. But i see your point. In any case nb have an offensive and deffensive advatage over my class. So ill continue to stay in pve until there nerfed alot or i get something to work with besides hoping i have enough stam after being attacked by nbs in the middle of burning adds, and cc breaking ambush spams to cast trops. And hoping i have enough stam to fight the nb after that.
No being a nightblade is the key to succses in ic. I can only assume everyone replying doesnt play a stampler and they play a nightblade so ill take it from someone who has the same prespective as me not from the people ganking me.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/239400/bulletproof-templar-stamina-dps-templar-build
Here my buddy build try this if you need help.bowmanz607 wrote: »You kids whining about nb are so cute. L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p L2p l2p.
Seriously.
As for the stamplar yelling. I have been grinding my stamp lar in sewers. I kill nb with an undergeared low vet. Please see above.
Now, let's get back on topic. This is not a nb nerf/buff thread. Go elsewhere for that.
So your are both ganking nbs
I guess you have a problem with Ganking which personally I have no problem with.
Yea read up the posts a bit that how this conversation started. Im not saying that ive never ever killed a nightblade. Im saying they are at and offensive and deffensive advantage to my class when Im in the sewers. There are certain situation where I can kill nbs but when i get ganked in the middle of the sewers by one it usually 10/1 loss ratio in comparison to 50/50 when it happens with all other classes. Yes I hate gankers especially when ive been collecting telvar for an hour and you pop me in the middle of an add rotation and I cant even defend my self because I cant see you. This conversation started with me sayin to op "now you know what it feels like to fight like a real man." Which i stand by. Recloaking out of dots is unfair and allows you to get multiple attacks of on my 0 hard mit arse before I can even target u which is stupid and is the reason i stay out of the sewers these days.
Am sorry that's why I said it's a L2P issue and the reason I posted my buddy build. While in the sewers you most have Situational awareness or you will die keep your health up and manage your resources while farming Tel var if you do that it be way harder for a ganker to kill you since at that point it's a real fight.Also if your grinding as a stamplar you have steel tornado on your bar whenever they cloak up aoe spam until they are no longer cloaked and just wasting resources.
Your statement to the this changes nothing about NB other than you admitting the only way for you to win against NB is to use a broken Exploit to win against us.Which is what you are saying Dark cloak use to be able to purge dot I could just run purge and do the same thing.Do you have a problem with templars purging dots as well?Or sorcs and Magica DK running purge to remove dots unless you have a problem with them doing that then your just being a hypocrite.So I see nothing wrong with you compliant other then you don't know how to play and so would rather use broken abilities to get kills.0 -
AtraisMachina✭✭✭No I have no problems with purging just the fact that its not a fair fight when i cant see you. And I do very much know how to play thats why ill never make a nb. Because when i fight people I want to actually test my skill not how good I can go invisable.Edited by AtraisMachina on March 20, 2016 6:57PM0
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If you don't know how to decloak a NB then you most definitely do not know how to play.Dark Cloak basically does the same its a purge .How is it not a fair fight it like saying it's not s fair fight because a Templar use breath of life or a sorc using shields its a class skill that you can't deal with so you complain instead of learn how to counter the easiest skill in the game to counter.So I stand by my point if you knew how to play you could deal with NB you state that you can't so case in point you don't know how to play.Its fine everyone has troubles with another class For example I have trouble with Sorcs but to say that your happy that a ability is broken because no you defeat a class goes to show that you sucks.AtraisMachina wrote: »No I have no problems with purging just the fact that its not a fair fight when i cant see you. And I do very much know how to play thats why ill never make a nb. Because when i fight people I want to actually test my skill not how good I can go invisable.0 -
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I have some questions for clarification:
For siege weapons, are you getting hit by a several in quick succession or under fire from other sources (player AoE, keep guards)? Taking damage from a non-single-target attack or enemy with detection will break stealth.
Are you sure you were not marked (Nightblade skill) when brought out of stealth via damage? Piercing Mark allows the caster to see through stealth and invisibility, allowing single-target abilities to work. The nightblade could also have used Magelight, which is an anti-stealth ability. I would mention Flare, but that ability and its detection radius are rather obvious.
Was the "sorcerer dot" Velocious Curse? That is not a DoT but a delayed damage attack. Templar's Power of the Light is a similar ability, dealing damage after a delay. Delayed damage is not a damage over time effect so cloak will do nothing against it.
"That is not a DoT but a delayed damage attack. " = COMPLETE B.S.
How about every one here, take every class you have, put 75 points into thaumaturge & tell me what Zenimax is classifying as a "D.O.T.". Unless they changed something, almost EVERY ability is being dmg boosted regardless if there is a DOT or not.
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✭ZOS_KNowak wrote: »Thanks for the helpful bug information in this thread. We have identified a bug where Siege Weapon Damage over Time effects were not properly being suppressed by Shadow Cloak, and aim to have a fix with the next incremental patch to correct this issue.
We were unable to reproduce any issues with player ability Damage over Time effects not being suppressed by Shadow Cloak. In our testing, both Dragonknight DoTs (Searing Strike and Burning Breath) as well as various other DoTs (such as Cripple) were properly being suppressed during invisibility. In the case of Daedric Curse, this is intended to break Shadow Cloak and should NOT be suppressed by it.
If you guys find any other Damage over Time effects that are not being properly suppressed by Shadow Cloak after this fix, please post any videos, logs, etc. and we will definitely take a second look. Thanks!
You're looking at the wrong area. The problem ISN'T DOTS, the problem is "abilities which are not DOT's, are being counted as DOTS & increased via thaumaturge when they shouldn't be." The other thing is test with caltrops & dark flare, personally I don't feel like the movement debuff or healing debuff are being suppressed.Member of:
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I think lag is the culprit here. I get pulled out of cloak pre-Tg dlc because of lag even when its single target....
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✭AtraisMachina wrote: »No I have no problems with purging just the fact that its not a fair fight when i cant see you. And I do very much know how to play thats why ill never make a nb. Because when i fight people I want to actually test my skill not how good I can go invisable.
Then use one of many counters to cloak. You know, every aoe, detect pots, mag light, mark if you can, revealing flare etc. There are so many counters. Slot one. Especially in sewers where there is less space for them to get away.
The class was built for stealth. How dare it get utilized. Personally, i have played a stealthy boater 8n every yes game I played. I have always used the shadows and positioning to my advantage as well as hard hitting stealth openings. You think I am going to change how I prefer to play the game because people don't like the way I play? I think not. Just because I prefer to play from the shadows does not mean I need it to win. In fact, heavy reliance on it will get you killed quick. Any competent player can counter stealth. If you want to be the best you have to adapt to playing without cloak just as others have to adapt to countering cloak. Your refusal to slot one of the many counters is on you.
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AtraisMachina✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »AtraisMachina wrote: »No I have no problems with purging just the fact that its not a fair fight when i cant see you. And I do very much know how to play thats why ill never make a nb. Because when i fight people I want to actually test my skill not how good I can go invisable.
Then use one of many counters to cloak. You know, every aoe, detect pots, mag light, mark if you can, revealing flare etc. There are so many counters. Slot one. Especially in sewers where there is less space for them to get away.
The class was built for stealth. How dare it get utilized. Personally, i have played a stealthy boater 8n every yes game I played. I have always used the shadows and positioning to my advantage as well as hard hitting stealth openings. You think I am going to change how I prefer to play the game because people don't like the way I play? I think not. Just because I prefer to play from the shadows does not mean I need it to win. In fact, heavy reliance on it will get you killed quick. Any competent player can counter stealth. If you want to be the best you have to adapt to playing without cloak just as others have to adapt to countering cloak. Your refusal to slot one of the many counters is on you.
And yes of course a nb will kill you from stealth more so than other clases. That is the point! The class is geared toward stealth gameplay. The others are not. That said, a dk hits harder from stealth then a nb. Just a fun fact.bowmanz607 wrote: »AtraisMachina wrote: »No I have no problems with purging just the fact that its not a fair fight when i cant see you. And I do very much know how to play thats why ill never make a nb. Because when i fight people I want to actually test my skill not how good I can go invisable.
Then use one of many counters to cloak. You know, every aoe, detect pots, mag light, mark if you can, revealing flare etc. There are so many counters. Slot one. Especially in sewers where there is less space for them to get away.
The class was built for stealth. How dare it get utilized. Personally, i have played a stealthy boater 8n every yes game I played. I have always used the shadows and positioning to my advantage as well as hard hitting stealth openings. You think I am going to change how I prefer to play the game because people don't like the way I play? I think not. Just because I prefer to play from the shadows does not mean I need it to win. In fact, heavy reliance on it will get you killed quick. Any competent player can counter stealth. If you want to be the best you have to adapt to playing without cloak just as others have to adapt to countering cloak. Your refusal to slot one of the many counters is on you.
And yes of course a nb will kill you from stealth more so than other clases. That is the point! The class is geared toward stealth gameplay. The others are not. That said, a dk hits harder from stealth then a nb. Just a fun fact.
Notice how no one but nightblades argue against my points. Your always gunna find a way to deffend your angle because you are the problem. You are the one doing it so no matter how logical I get you still think your in the right because your the one who is invisable lol. Delete your nightblade and lvl a stampler and then come back and tell me how you feel about the situation.0 -
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Your in a NB thread talking about how cloak is broken and you expect NB not to defend their class?Again I played with a Stamplar for a long time on Xbox and he has no Problems against NB.That's why I say its a Learn to play issue here and not a broken ability issue or class issue your trying to make this.Plus don't forget that Jabs are a AOE and a DOT not memtion spammable which mean using your main DPs ability will get a NB out of stealth your deciding not to use your abilities to counter NB.Its no one fault but yours so stop complaining about NB and slot the hundreds of counters.AtraisMachina wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »AtraisMachina wrote: »No I have no problems with purging just the fact that its not a fair fight when i cant see you. And I do very much know how to play thats why ill never make a nb. Because when i fight people I want to actually test my skill not how good I can go invisable.
Then use one of many counters to cloak. You know, every aoe, detect pots, mag light, mark if you can, revealing flare etc. There are so many counters. Slot one. Especially in sewers where there is less space for them to get away.
The class was built for stealth. How dare it get utilized. Personally, i have played a stealthy boater 8n every yes game I played. I have always used the shadows and positioning to my advantage as well as hard hitting stealth openings. You think I am going to change how I prefer to play the game because people don't like the way I play? I think not. Just because I prefer to play from the shadows does not mean I need it to win. In fact, heavy reliance on it will get you killed quick. Any competent player can counter stealth. If you want to be the best you have to adapt to playing without cloak just as others have to adapt to countering cloak. Your refusal to slot one of the many counters is on you.
And yes of course a nb will kill you from stealth more so than other clases. That is the point! The class is geared toward stealth gameplay. The others are not. That said, a dk hits harder from stealth then a nb. Just a fun fact.bowmanz607 wrote: »AtraisMachina wrote: »No I have no problems with purging just the fact that its not a fair fight when i cant see you. And I do very much know how to play thats why ill never make a nb. Because when i fight people I want to actually test my skill not how good I can go invisable.
Then use one of many counters to cloak. You know, every aoe, detect pots, mag light, mark if you can, revealing flare etc. There are so many counters. Slot one. Especially in sewers where there is less space for them to get away.
The class was built for stealth. How dare it get utilized. Personally, i have played a stealthy boater 8n every yes game I played. I have always used the shadows and positioning to my advantage as well as hard hitting stealth openings. You think I am going to change how I prefer to play the game because people don't like the way I play? I think not. Just because I prefer to play from the shadows does not mean I need it to win. In fact, heavy reliance on it will get you killed quick. Any competent player can counter stealth. If you want to be the best you have to adapt to playing without cloak just as others have to adapt to countering cloak. Your refusal to slot one of the many counters is on you.
And yes of course a nb will kill you from stealth more so than other clases. That is the point! The class is geared toward stealth gameplay. The others are not. That said, a dk hits harder from stealth then a nb. Just a fun fact.
Notice how no one but nightblades argue against my points. Your always gunna find a way to deffend your angle because you are the problem. You are the one doing it so no matter how logical I get you still think your in the right because your the one who is invisable lol. Delete your nightblade and lvl a stampler and then come back and tell me how you feel about the situation.2 -
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✭AtraisMachina wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »AtraisMachina wrote: »No I have no problems with purging just the fact that its not a fair fight when i cant see you. And I do very much know how to play thats why ill never make a nb. Because when i fight people I want to actually test my skill not how good I can go invisable.
Then use one of many counters to cloak. You know, every aoe, detect pots, mag light, mark if you can, revealing flare etc. There are so many counters. Slot one. Especially in sewers where there is less space for them to get away.
The class was built for stealth. How dare it get utilized. Personally, i have played a stealthy boater 8n every yes game I played. I have always used the shadows and positioning to my advantage as well as hard hitting stealth openings. You think I am going to change how I prefer to play the game because people don't like the way I play? I think not. Just because I prefer to play from the shadows does not mean I need it to win. In fact, heavy reliance on it will get you killed quick. Any competent player can counter stealth. If you want to be the best you have to adapt to playing without cloak just as others have to adapt to countering cloak. Your refusal to slot one of the many counters is on you.
And yes of course a nb will kill you from stealth more so than other clases. That is the point! The class is geared toward stealth gameplay. The others are not. That said, a dk hits harder from stealth then a nb. Just a fun fact.bowmanz607 wrote: »AtraisMachina wrote: »No I have no problems with purging just the fact that its not a fair fight when i cant see you. And I do very much know how to play thats why ill never make a nb. Because when i fight people I want to actually test my skill not how good I can go invisable.
Then use one of many counters to cloak. You know, every aoe, detect pots, mag light, mark if you can, revealing flare etc. There are so many counters. Slot one. Especially in sewers where there is less space for them to get away.
The class was built for stealth. How dare it get utilized. Personally, i have played a stealthy boater 8n every yes game I played. I have always used the shadows and positioning to my advantage as well as hard hitting stealth openings. You think I am going to change how I prefer to play the game because people don't like the way I play? I think not. Just because I prefer to play from the shadows does not mean I need it to win. In fact, heavy reliance on it will get you killed quick. Any competent player can counter stealth. If you want to be the best you have to adapt to playing without cloak just as others have to adapt to countering cloak. Your refusal to slot one of the many counters is on you.
And yes of course a nb will kill you from stealth more so than other clases. That is the point! The class is geared toward stealth gameplay. The others are not. That said, a dk hits harder from stealth then a nb. Just a fun fact.
Notice how no one but nightblades argue against my points. Your always gunna find a way to deffend your angle because you are the problem. You are the one doing it so no matter how logical I get you still think your in the right because your the one who is invisable lol. Delete your nightblade and lvl a stampler and then come back and tell me how you feel about the situation.
look at a previous post. i have a stamplar that i level in IC. never been successfully ganked. why? cause i use either caltrops, steel tornado, detect pots, or jabs. Again l2p. Stop assuming that nb are the only players that argue against you. I have a NB sure. I also have a stamplar, healing templar, dk, and sorc to a lesser extent.
I simply prefer my Nb because i enjoy stealth gameplay in every game i play. that is what i like.
notice how i have given you many counters to your issue, but how you just gloss over that and attack me for playing anb instead. A typical tactic to a weak argument. You dont have a counter to the answer i gave to your problem, so you choose to attack the person behind the statement. A true sign of being on the losing side of the argument.2 -
EmontesSoul ShrivenThey still don't fix this even with patch 12. I have problems with the DOTs too, both with shadowy and cloak. Instead they fix this:"Nightblade
Soul Tether now displays an area effect telegraph.
Veiled Strike’s block telegraph can now be seen before it connects.""Nightblade
Assassination
Blur: Fixed an issue with this ability and its morphs that was causing the visual effects to pop out rather than fade out.
Shadow
Summon Shade: Fixed an animation issue with your leg when using this ability while crouching."1 -
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✭✭They still don't fix this even with patch 12. I have problems with the DOTs too, both with shadowy and cloak. Instead they fix this:"Nightblade
Soul Tether now displays an area effect telegraph.
Veiled Strike’s block telegraph can now be seen before it connects.""Nightblade
Assassination
Blur: Fixed an issue with this ability and its morphs that was causing the visual effects to pop out rather than fade out.
Shadow
Summon Shade: Fixed an animation issue with your leg when using this ability while crouching."
NECROOOOO THREAD!
If your having cloak problems in the new patch just report it in the new bug forums. This thread in ancient.PS4 NA DC0 -
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✭ZOS_KNowak wrote: »Thanks for the helpful bug information in this thread. We have identified a bug where Siege Weapon Damage over Time effects were not properly being suppressed by Shadow Cloak, and aim to have a fix with the next incremental patch to correct this issue.
We were unable to reproduce any issues with player ability Damage over Time effects not being suppressed by Shadow Cloak. In our testing, both Dragonknight DoTs (Searing Strike and Burning Breath) as well as various other DoTs (such as Cripple) were properly being suppressed during invisibility. In the case of Daedric Curse, this is intended to break Shadow Cloak and should NOT be suppressed by it.
If you guys find any other Damage over Time effects that are not being properly suppressed by Shadow Cloak after this fix, please post any videos, logs, etc. and we will definitely take a second look. Thanks!
While we are at it, can we fix dots breaking cloiding swarm and pulling vamps out of invis?Legacy of Kain
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seems more than half the time a skill is 'fixed,' it ends up broken in a new and exciting way.
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✭Azarath_tiberius wrote: »Not all NBs slot cloak. Nevertheless, the change done to scorching flare now seems quite useless since most NBs will have to drop cloak not for that skill, but for the bad implementation.
Anyway, what makes NBs dangerous is still there: Ambush...
You're right. 99% of them slot cloak. And not just ambush, surprise attack as well...
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Glad to be the other 1% then, got used to not having it since launch so don't feel I need it anymore.
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Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*inhales*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Good.
Can't wait for the inevitable "you're-going-to-lose-money-if-you-don't-acquiesce-to-our-completely-broken-OP-invis-mechanics-that-destroy-class-parity" comments.
Git gud and L2P, scrublades
It seems someone is happy with bad implementation...
"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
ftfy
Its more like bad implementation than intended mechanic (read Natch Potes to learn what changes were). Even with not working Cloak skill i can slot Purge - what a differnce?
P.S raging around isnt good for health
I think you're too specific in your comment, could you please generalize it a bit more to make it easier for us NBs who want to learn how to fight properly.TheM0rganism wrote: »"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
PS: Your CAPS LOCK key is stuck!
No amount of Flares, Magelights, or Caltrops can make up for the fact that you are the only class to benefit from a half-dozen passives due to a faux-disengage that can be proc'd multiple times a fight.
Why do you think NBs are the most over populated class? Because they are EZ-mode and require the least amount of skill to play.
lol hello again friend, glad to see you spreading your salt all over the forums today. why don't you take a break and go practice a bit, maybe you will reach the point were you don't get you face *** on every time you run into a nb.
I don't get killed by NBs. Like ever. They always cloak away after their Ambush fails to kill me while I'm fighting something else.
Aha, so you say NBs are OP easy mode class anyone can play, almost everyone plays it, but you never die to them, as a mater of fact they just bounce of you, right! So what are you some kind of superman, or you just want to say how gooooood you are, lol. No, probably you die to NBs all day long, and now you came here to gloat, since you cant L2P against something that has so many counters, i would feel ashamed to call OP skill.
Cloak merely provides a false sense of security for NBs. Really, it should be considered a blanket.
And it is OP. Period. No other skill in the game procs a half dozen passives on a single activation constatnly throughout a fight like cloak can. That's the definition of overpowered, kiddo. It's not my fault they never took the time to git gud because they run around like their favorite streamers.
Seriously. This is my encounter with NBs 85% of the time:
Cloak->Ambush spam.
Did it kill them before they could react?
Yes? = Yippy.
No? = Cloak away like a fart in the wind.
If by half a dozen you mean 2, then yea. So, by your logic every skill in shadow skill line is OP, since any of them procs passives. Get your facts straight and L2P, kiddo.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*inhales*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Good.
Can't wait for the inevitable "you're-going-to-lose-money-if-you-don't-acquiesce-to-our-completely-broken-OP-invis-mechanics-that-destroy-class-parity" comments.
Git gud and L2P, scrublades
It seems someone is happy with bad implementation...
"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
ftfy
Its more like bad implementation than intended mechanic (read Natch Potes to learn what changes were). Even with not working Cloak skill i can slot Purge - what a differnce?
P.S raging around isnt good for health
I think you're too specific in your comment, could you please generalize it a bit more to make it easier for us NBs who want to learn how to fight properly.TheM0rganism wrote: »"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
PS: Your CAPS LOCK key is stuck!
No amount of Flares, Magelights, or Caltrops can make up for the fact that you are the only class to benefit from a half-dozen passives due to a faux-disengage that can be proc'd multiple times a fight.
Why do you think NBs are the most over populated class? Because they are EZ-mode and require the least amount of skill to play.
lol hello again friend, glad to see you spreading your salt all over the forums today. why don't you take a break and go practice a bit, maybe you will reach the point were you don't get you face *** on every time you run into a nb.
I don't get killed by NBs. Like ever. They always cloak away after their Ambush fails to kill me while I'm fighting something else.
Aha, so you say NBs are OP easy mode class anyone can play, almost everyone plays it, but you never die to them, as a mater of fact they just bounce of you, right! So what are you some kind of superman, or you just want to say how gooooood you are, lol. No, probably you die to NBs all day long, and now you came here to gloat, since you cant L2P against something that has so many counters, i would feel ashamed to call OP skill.
And it is OP. Period. No other skill in the game procs a half dozen passives on a single activation constatnly throughout a fight like cloak can. That's the definition of overpowered, kiddo. It's not my fault they never took the time to git gud because they run around like their favorite streamers.
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TWO passives. Don't exaggerate in an attempt to reinforce your point. Other classes also have comparable synergies with their passives. Exept maybe *cough* StamSorc.
1. Invisibility
2. Purge
3. Bonus damage
4. Bonus armor
5. Increased stun duration
6. Ruffian [if dual wielding]
And this is me being conservative. God forbid you have concealed weapons slotted as well and you end up with Speed buff and Off-Balance procs that also incorporate Exploiter. Not to mention the Health bonuses. Sure any class can get similar amounts of benefits from an active-passive-synergy, but no one comes close to NBs that can take advantage of them MULTIPLE TIMES IN A FIGHT because of invis mechanics.
I don't even play NBs and I know more about them than you do. Embarrassing...
Its true...
Those reem jobs you quoted should be embarassed.0