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Nightblade cloak is broken - cant cloak if affected by damage over time
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revonine✭✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*inhales*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Good.
Can't wait for the inevitable "you're-going-to-lose-money-if-you-don't-acquiesce-to-our-completely-broken-OP-invis-mechanics-that-destroy-class-parity" comments.
Git gud and L2P, scrublades
It seems someone is happy with bad implementation...
"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
ftfy
Its more like bad implementation than intended mechanic (read Natch Potes to learn what changes were). Even with not working Cloak skill i can slot Purge - what a differnce?
P.S raging around isnt good for health
I think you're too specific in your comment, could you please generalize it a bit more to make it easier for us NBs who want to learn how to fight properly.TheM0rganism wrote: »"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
PS: Your CAPS LOCK key is stuck!
No amount of Flares, Magelights, or Caltrops can make up for the fact that you are the only class to benefit from a half-dozen passives due to a faux-disengage that can be proc'd multiple times a fight.
Why do you think NBs are the most over populated class? Because they are EZ-mode and require the least amount of skill to play.
lol hello again friend, glad to see you spreading your salt all over the forums today. why don't you take a break and go practice a bit, maybe you will reach the point were you don't get you face *** on every time you run into a nb.
I don't get killed by NBs. Like ever. They always cloak away after their Ambush fails to kill me while I'm fighting something else.
Aha, so you say NBs are OP easy mode class anyone can play, almost everyone plays it, but you never die to them, as a mater of fact they just bounce of you, right! So what are you some kind of superman, or you just want to say how gooooood you are, lol. No, probably you die to NBs all day long, and now you came here to gloat, since you cant L2P against something that has so many counters, i would feel ashamed to call OP skill.
Cloak merely provides a false sense of security for NBs. Really, it should be considered a blanket.
And it is OP. Period. No other skill in the game procs a half dozen passives on a single activation constatnly throughout a fight like cloak can. That's the definition of overpowered, kiddo. It's not my fault they never took the time to git gud because they run around like their favorite streamers.
Seriously. This is my encounter with NBs 85% of the time:
Cloak->Ambush spam.
Did it kill them before they could react?
Yes? = Yippy.
No? = Cloak away like a fart in the wind.
If by half a dozen you mean 2, then yea. So, by your logic every skill in shadow skill line is OP, since any of them procs passives. Get your facts straight and L2P, kiddo.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*inhales*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Good.
Can't wait for the inevitable "you're-going-to-lose-money-if-you-don't-acquiesce-to-our-completely-broken-OP-invis-mechanics-that-destroy-class-parity" comments.
Git gud and L2P, scrublades
It seems someone is happy with bad implementation...
"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
ftfy
Its more like bad implementation than intended mechanic (read Natch Potes to learn what changes were). Even with not working Cloak skill i can slot Purge - what a differnce?
P.S raging around isnt good for health
I think you're too specific in your comment, could you please generalize it a bit more to make it easier for us NBs who want to learn how to fight properly.TheM0rganism wrote: »"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
PS: Your CAPS LOCK key is stuck!
No amount of Flares, Magelights, or Caltrops can make up for the fact that you are the only class to benefit from a half-dozen passives due to a faux-disengage that can be proc'd multiple times a fight.
Why do you think NBs are the most over populated class? Because they are EZ-mode and require the least amount of skill to play.
lol hello again friend, glad to see you spreading your salt all over the forums today. why don't you take a break and go practice a bit, maybe you will reach the point were you don't get you face *** on every time you run into a nb.
I don't get killed by NBs. Like ever. They always cloak away after their Ambush fails to kill me while I'm fighting something else.
Aha, so you say NBs are OP easy mode class anyone can play, almost everyone plays it, but you never die to them, as a mater of fact they just bounce of you, right! So what are you some kind of superman, or you just want to say how gooooood you are, lol. No, probably you die to NBs all day long, and now you came here to gloat, since you cant L2P against something that has so many counters, i would feel ashamed to call OP skill.
And it is OP. Period. No other skill in the game procs a half dozen passives on a single activation constatnly throughout a fight like cloak can. That's the definition of overpowered, kiddo. It's not my fault they never took the time to git gud because they run around like their favorite streamers.
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TWO passives. Don't exaggerate in an attempt to reinforce your point. Other classes also have comparable synergies with their passives. Exept maybe *cough* StamSorc.
1. Invisibility
2. Purge
3. Bonus damage
4. Bonus armor
5. Increased stun duration
6. Ruffian [if dual wielding]
And this is me being conservative. God forbid you have concealed weapons slotted as well and you end up with Speed buff and Off-Balance procs that also incorporate Exploiter. Not to mention the Health bonuses. Sure any class can get similar amounts of benefits from an active-passive-synergy, but no one comes close to NBs that can take advantage of them MULTIPLE TIMES IN A FIGHT because of invis mechanics.
I don't even play NBs and I know more about them than you do. Embarrassing...
Invisibility is an ability effect an activated ability not a passive. Purge does not exist as of the TG update anymore. Stun duration and damage come from the same passive. Armour comes from Shadow Barrier. Ruffian is available to any class that Dual Wields.
Sorry mate, still counting two NB passives here.Edited by revonine on March 9, 2016 4:37PM1 -
TheM0rganism✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*inhales*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Good.
Can't wait for the inevitable "you're-going-to-lose-money-if-you-don't-acquiesce-to-our-completely-broken-OP-invis-mechanics-that-destroy-class-parity" comments.
Git gud and L2P, scrublades
It seems someone is happy with bad implementation...
"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
ftfy
Its more like bad implementation than intended mechanic (read Natch Potes to learn what changes were). Even with not working Cloak skill i can slot Purge - what a differnce?
P.S raging around isnt good for health
I think you're too specific in your comment, could you please generalize it a bit more to make it easier for us NBs who want to learn how to fight properly.TheM0rganism wrote: »"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
PS: Your CAPS LOCK key is stuck!
No amount of Flares, Magelights, or Caltrops can make up for the fact that you are the only class to benefit from a half-dozen passives due to a faux-disengage that can be proc'd multiple times a fight.
Why do you think NBs are the most over populated class? Because they are EZ-mode and require the least amount of skill to play.
lol hello again friend, glad to see you spreading your salt all over the forums today. why don't you take a break and go practice a bit, maybe you will reach the point were you don't get you face *** on every time you run into a nb.
I don't get killed by NBs. Like ever. They always cloak away after their Ambush fails to kill me while I'm fighting something else.
Aha, so you say NBs are OP easy mode class anyone can play, almost everyone plays it, but you never die to them, as a mater of fact they just bounce of you, right! So what are you some kind of superman, or you just want to say how gooooood you are, lol. No, probably you die to NBs all day long, and now you came here to gloat, since you cant L2P against something that has so many counters, i would feel ashamed to call OP skill.
Cloak merely provides a false sense of security for NBs. Really, it should be considered a blanket.
And it is OP. Period. No other skill in the game procs a half dozen passives on a single activation constatnly throughout a fight like cloak can. That's the definition of overpowered, kiddo. It's not my fault they never took the time to git gud because they run around like their favorite streamers.
Seriously. This is my encounter with NBs 85% of the time:
Cloak->Ambush spam.
Did it kill them before they could react?
Yes? = Yippy.
No? = Cloak away like a fart in the wind.
If by half a dozen you mean 2, then yea. So, by your logic every skill in shadow skill line is OP, since any of them procs passives. Get your facts straight and L2P, kiddo.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*inhales*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Good.
Can't wait for the inevitable "you're-going-to-lose-money-if-you-don't-acquiesce-to-our-completely-broken-OP-invis-mechanics-that-destroy-class-parity" comments.
Git gud and L2P, scrublades
It seems someone is happy with bad implementation...
"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
ftfy
Its more like bad implementation than intended mechanic (read Natch Potes to learn what changes were). Even with not working Cloak skill i can slot Purge - what a differnce?
P.S raging around isnt good for health
I think you're too specific in your comment, could you please generalize it a bit more to make it easier for us NBs who want to learn how to fight properly.TheM0rganism wrote: »"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
PS: Your CAPS LOCK key is stuck!
No amount of Flares, Magelights, or Caltrops can make up for the fact that you are the only class to benefit from a half-dozen passives due to a faux-disengage that can be proc'd multiple times a fight.
Why do you think NBs are the most over populated class? Because they are EZ-mode and require the least amount of skill to play.
lol hello again friend, glad to see you spreading your salt all over the forums today. why don't you take a break and go practice a bit, maybe you will reach the point were you don't get you face *** on every time you run into a nb.
I don't get killed by NBs. Like ever. They always cloak away after their Ambush fails to kill me while I'm fighting something else.
Aha, so you say NBs are OP easy mode class anyone can play, almost everyone plays it, but you never die to them, as a mater of fact they just bounce of you, right! So what are you some kind of superman, or you just want to say how gooooood you are, lol. No, probably you die to NBs all day long, and now you came here to gloat, since you cant L2P against something that has so many counters, i would feel ashamed to call OP skill.
And it is OP. Period. No other skill in the game procs a half dozen passives on a single activation constatnly throughout a fight like cloak can. That's the definition of overpowered, kiddo. It's not my fault they never took the time to git gud because they run around like their favorite streamers.
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TWO passives. Don't exaggerate in an attempt to reinforce your point. Other classes also have comparable synergies with their passives. Exept maybe *cough* StamSorc.
1. Invisibility
2. Purge
3. Bonus damage
4. Bonus armor
5. Increased stun duration
6. Ruffian [if dual wielding]
And this is me being conservative. God forbid you have concealed weapons slotted as well and you end up with Speed buff and Off-Balance procs that also incorporate Exploiter. Not to mention the Health bonuses. Sure any class can get similar amounts of benefits from an active-passive-synergy, but no one comes close to NBs that can take advantage of them MULTIPLE TIMES IN A FIGHT because of invis mechanics.
I don't even play NBs and I know more about them than you do. Embarrassing...
Invisibility is an ability effect an activated ability not a passive. Purge does not exist as of the TG update anymore. Stun duration and damage come from the same passive. Armour comes from Shadow Barrier. Ruffian is available to any class that Dual Wields.
Sorry mate, still counting two NB passives here.
You NBs just don't seem to understand things if it doesn't come from a FotM streamer or something. Still cleansing on console live. And simply replace it with Minor protection post-patch.
Here...I'll bold it for you since you seemed to have missed reading all three sentences:
"Sure any class can get similar amounts of benefits from an active-passive-synergy, but no one comes close to NBs that can take advantage of them MULTIPLE TIMES IN A FIGHT because of invis mechanics."
This fix is a godsend and working as intended. NBs can no longer, brokenly, access that series of passives by recasting cloak anymore. If you want to be in a fight, now you have to be in the fight the whole time instead of forcing mechanics that should only be allowed once out of stealth at the initiation of a skirmish. git gud.PS4 DC Stamina Templar Tank/DPS...because I ALWAYS play on hard mode
#2233 - Never Forget0 -
revonine✭✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*inhales*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Good.
Can't wait for the inevitable "you're-going-to-lose-money-if-you-don't-acquiesce-to-our-completely-broken-OP-invis-mechanics-that-destroy-class-parity" comments.
Git gud and L2P, scrublades
It seems someone is happy with bad implementation...
"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
ftfy
Its more like bad implementation than intended mechanic (read Natch Potes to learn what changes were). Even with not working Cloak skill i can slot Purge - what a differnce?
P.S raging around isnt good for health
I think you're too specific in your comment, could you please generalize it a bit more to make it easier for us NBs who want to learn how to fight properly.TheM0rganism wrote: »"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
PS: Your CAPS LOCK key is stuck!
No amount of Flares, Magelights, or Caltrops can make up for the fact that you are the only class to benefit from a half-dozen passives due to a faux-disengage that can be proc'd multiple times a fight.
Why do you think NBs are the most over populated class? Because they are EZ-mode and require the least amount of skill to play.
lol hello again friend, glad to see you spreading your salt all over the forums today. why don't you take a break and go practice a bit, maybe you will reach the point were you don't get you face *** on every time you run into a nb.
I don't get killed by NBs. Like ever. They always cloak away after their Ambush fails to kill me while I'm fighting something else.
Aha, so you say NBs are OP easy mode class anyone can play, almost everyone plays it, but you never die to them, as a mater of fact they just bounce of you, right! So what are you some kind of superman, or you just want to say how gooooood you are, lol. No, probably you die to NBs all day long, and now you came here to gloat, since you cant L2P against something that has so many counters, i would feel ashamed to call OP skill.
Cloak merely provides a false sense of security for NBs. Really, it should be considered a blanket.
And it is OP. Period. No other skill in the game procs a half dozen passives on a single activation constatnly throughout a fight like cloak can. That's the definition of overpowered, kiddo. It's not my fault they never took the time to git gud because they run around like their favorite streamers.
Seriously. This is my encounter with NBs 85% of the time:
Cloak->Ambush spam.
Did it kill them before they could react?
Yes? = Yippy.
No? = Cloak away like a fart in the wind.
If by half a dozen you mean 2, then yea. So, by your logic every skill in shadow skill line is OP, since any of them procs passives. Get your facts straight and L2P, kiddo.TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »TheM0rganism wrote: »HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*inhales*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Good.
Can't wait for the inevitable "you're-going-to-lose-money-if-you-don't-acquiesce-to-our-completely-broken-OP-invis-mechanics-that-destroy-class-parity" comments.
Git gud and L2P, scrublades
It seems someone is happy with bad implementation...
"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
ftfy
Its more like bad implementation than intended mechanic (read Natch Potes to learn what changes were). Even with not working Cloak skill i can slot Purge - what a differnce?
P.S raging around isnt good for health
I think you're too specific in your comment, could you please generalize it a bit more to make it easier for us NBs who want to learn how to fight properly.TheM0rganism wrote: »"IT SEEMS SOMEONE IS HAPPY WITH BALANCE AND NBs BEING FORCED TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT."
PS: Your CAPS LOCK key is stuck!
No amount of Flares, Magelights, or Caltrops can make up for the fact that you are the only class to benefit from a half-dozen passives due to a faux-disengage that can be proc'd multiple times a fight.
Why do you think NBs are the most over populated class? Because they are EZ-mode and require the least amount of skill to play.
lol hello again friend, glad to see you spreading your salt all over the forums today. why don't you take a break and go practice a bit, maybe you will reach the point were you don't get you face *** on every time you run into a nb.
I don't get killed by NBs. Like ever. They always cloak away after their Ambush fails to kill me while I'm fighting something else.
Aha, so you say NBs are OP easy mode class anyone can play, almost everyone plays it, but you never die to them, as a mater of fact they just bounce of you, right! So what are you some kind of superman, or you just want to say how gooooood you are, lol. No, probably you die to NBs all day long, and now you came here to gloat, since you cant L2P against something that has so many counters, i would feel ashamed to call OP skill.
And it is OP. Period. No other skill in the game procs a half dozen passives on a single activation constatnly throughout a fight like cloak can. That's the definition of overpowered, kiddo. It's not my fault they never took the time to git gud because they run around like their favorite streamers.
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TWO passives. Don't exaggerate in an attempt to reinforce your point. Other classes also have comparable synergies with their passives. Exept maybe *cough* StamSorc.
1. Invisibility
2. Purge
3. Bonus damage
4. Bonus armor
5. Increased stun duration
6. Ruffian [if dual wielding]
And this is me being conservative. God forbid you have concealed weapons slotted as well and you end up with Speed buff and Off-Balance procs that also incorporate Exploiter. Not to mention the Health bonuses. Sure any class can get similar amounts of benefits from an active-passive-synergy, but no one comes close to NBs that can take advantage of them MULTIPLE TIMES IN A FIGHT because of invis mechanics.
I don't even play NBs and I know more about them than you do. Embarrassing...
Invisibility is an ability effect an activated ability not a passive. Purge does not exist as of the TG update anymore. Stun duration and damage come from the same passive. Armour comes from Shadow Barrier. Ruffian is available to any class that Dual Wields.
Sorry mate, still counting two NB passives here.
You NBs just don't seem to understand things if it doesn't come from a FotM streamer or something. Still cleansing on console live. And simply replace it with Minor protection post-patch.
Here...I'll bold it for you since you seemed to have missed reading all three sentences:
"Sure any class can get similar amounts of benefits from an active-passive-synergy, but no one comes close to NBs that can take advantage of them MULTIPLE TIMES IN A FIGHT because of invis mechanics."
This fix is a godsend and working as intended. NBs can no longer, brokenly, access that series of passives by recasting cloak anymore. If you want to be in a fight, now you have to be in the fight the whole time instead of forcing mechanics that should only be allowed once out of stealth at the initiation of a skirmish. git gud.
Yeah I'm not listing out other classes actives and passives that are also used together "multiple times in a fight" just to entertain this discussion with you anymore. I suggest you post in other threads if your concerned with NB balance. This thread is about an ability reported to be not functioning as intended.
And finally I suggest If you want to be taken seriously I'd also suggest you stop with the "git gud" comments to people who don't agree with you.2 -
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✭TheM0rganism wrote: »You NBs just don't seem to understand things if it doesn't come from a FotM streamer or something. Still cleansing on console live. And simply replace it with Minor protection post-patch.
Here...I'll bold it for you since you seemed to have missed reading all three sentences:
"Sure any class can get similar amounts of benefits from an active-passive-synergy, but no one comes close to NBs that can take advantage of them MULTIPLE TIMES IN A FIGHT because of invis mechanics."
This fix is a godsend and working as intended. NBs can no longer, brokenly, access that series of passives by recasting cloak anymore. If you want to be in a fight, now you have to be in the fight the whole time instead of forcing mechanics that should only be allowed once out of stealth at the initiation of a skirmish. git gud.
Let's enlighten you a bit shall we?
1. Ya sure gives invisibility. That is the point
2. It was a purge to dots on one morph. However, as a nb like myself who looks to balance and not to having best abilities, this was a little much because it negated a whole class/playstle and it meant you didn't have to points into decrease dot damage. That said, this is now an irrelevant point since the ability no longer does this. So the ability does not operate as a purge. So your wrong here.
3. Sure bonus damage makes since. Not only are you hitting from stealth, but the nb was made to thrive from stealth.
4. Ok, so more resistance. Ever|one has this. In fact this is the weakest version of this buff. Not to mention, if you stay in cloak the whole time it is merely a weak 2 second buff after cloak ends.
5. What increased stun duration? That is not a passive. Are you talking about combining it with suprise attack? If ao, you have now included a second ability that may or may not be utilized by cloak. This is not a passive utilized by cloak alone but used in conjunction with another skill.
6. Everyone has a cess to Ruffian and a tun or disoriented or immobilize. This passive is utilized by all equally. Also, cloak does none of things alone that would proc this passive. Besides, you are again combining cloak with another skill. You can use this in all arguments about all classes equally.
7. The use of concealed weapon, again, requires the use of another specific ability. Which again is tied into the idea that a nb thrives in stealth. Just as other classes thrive in healing, tanking etc.
8. You mention exploiter. Again, a passive available to all and utilized by all. This is not nb specific.
9. As for health bonus. All classes have some sort of bonus tied to placing class skills on your bar. Ours is health. Sorc has Stam and damage for instance.
All that said, let's also not forget that every single issue you mention is tied to a nb using cloak. Almost every single one is countered by one simple thing. Keeping a nb from cloaking. Literally , one move can be used to counter everything. Given the fact that there are many many counters to cloak such as aoe, detect pots, etc it is not a tall order to prevent these passive from being utilized. Let's also throw in the fact that mage light got a tremendous buff.
Now let's wrap things up shall we.
The problem here is that the thread is not about the fact that cloAK got nerfed. I think it was a fair nerfed personally. (I think mage light was over buffed). The issue in this thread is about the fact that many feel the skill is currently broken. Dots should not pull you out of stealth. This is a broken mechanic and needs to be fixed. This is like a Sorc dropping shields but all dots go through the shield. It is broken.
So again I say, take this [snip] to one of the dozens of threads that discuss nb balance issues. This is not a thread for that. Besides all your doing is illustrating that given all of the counters in this game to cloak, you have failed to properly utilize them and constantly get killed by a nb. [snip]
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ZOS_KNowak✭✭✭Thanks for the helpful bug information in this thread. We have identified a bug where Siege Weapon Damage over Time effects were not properly being suppressed by Shadow Cloak, and aim to have a fix with the next incremental patch to correct this issue.
We were unable to reproduce any issues with player ability Damage over Time effects not being suppressed by Shadow Cloak. In our testing, both Dragonknight DoTs (Searing Strike and Burning Breath) as well as various other DoTs (such as Cripple) were properly being suppressed during invisibility. In the case of Daedric Curse, this is intended to break Shadow Cloak and should NOT be suppressed by it.
If you guys find any other Damage over Time effects that are not being properly suppressed by Shadow Cloak after this fix, please post any videos, logs, etc. and we will definitely take a second look. Thanks!Gameplay Designer
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Stef89✭✭Thats good news!
Nightblade Agony breaks my cloak in pve, have not been tested this in pvp.0 -
And just when I thought of going back to the game.
Good report.
I'll just continue doing more useful things IRL than play this game for now.Siblings-in-Prison
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Bofrari✭✭✭TheM0rganism wrote: »Mikmak:
I don't get killed by NBs. Like ever. They always cloak away after their Ambush fails to kill me while I'm fighting something else.
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Exactly most of the time I just ignore them until I'm done killing whatever or fighting whoever they run like chickens as soon as you look at them.1 -
Chres✭✭in imperial sewers at zombies i had a dot on me after the fight. i´d cloaked and it instantly took me out of cloak0
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✭ZOS_KNowak wrote: »Thanks for the helpful bug information in this thread. We have identified a bug where Siege Weapon Damage over Time effects were not properly being suppressed by Shadow Cloak, and aim to have a fix with the next incremental patch to correct this issue.
We were unable to reproduce any issues with player ability Damage over Time effects not being suppressed by Shadow Cloak. In our testing, both Dragonknight DoTs (Searing Strike and Burning Breath) as well as various other DoTs (such as Cripple) were properly being suppressed during invisibility. In the case of Daedric Curse, this is intended to break Shadow Cloak and should NOT be suppressed by it.
If you guys find any other Damage over Time effects that are not being properly suppressed by Shadow Cloak after this fix, please post any videos, logs, etc. and we will definitely take a second look. Thanks!
I can confirm that cripple does suppress shadow cloak, but only when it is being cast by a NCP caster, not a player.0 -
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✭✭Not currently having any problems with Shadowy Disguise in PvP, I'd say it's pretty well balanced tbh. I do tend to Purge before Cloak though as I'm often Marked.
It's a hell of a lot better than Templar's Purify now I'll put it that way, Cloak can suppress axe bleed, Purify won't help you with that, well, from my experience any way.
I hope it stays the way it is.PC EU0 -
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✭jessikajayne wrote: »I don't understand why people trash talk nbs because of cloak....
Every class can stealth and using Addons u can easily change gear quickly... Plus potions r easy to make..
In all honesty I don't see a lot of nbs in pvp, I personally think temps are more common and more op, they have those annoying healing jabs a good shield an executor and they can heal themselves instantly along with their friends via Breath of life.
Every class has its op skills. Learn to counter them instead of complaining and getting everything nerfed, then the skills are broken and unbalanced and we have to wait forever for them to be fixed.
And I'm not being hypocritical by saying what I said about Templars I just haven't found a way to deal with them yet.
Potions halfway work ... much like Dark Cloak
NB btw are the most common class in pvp .. Edited by Durham on March 10, 2016 11:50AMPVP DEADWAIT
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AzureButterfly✭✭✭NPC DOTs are pulling me out of invisibility - most noticeable when the Berserker enemies use Agony and Blood Craze. Each tick pulls you out of stealth and applies full damage.2 -
Thornen✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_KNowak wrote: »Thanks for the helpful bug information in this thread. We have identified a bug where Siege Weapon Damage over Time effects were not properly being suppressed by Shadow Cloak, and aim to have a fix with the next incremental patch to correct this issue.
We were unable to reproduce any issues with player ability Damage over Time effects not being suppressed by Shadow Cloak. In our testing, both Dragonknight DoTs (Searing Strike and Burning Breath) as well as various other DoTs (such as Cripple) were properly being suppressed during invisibility. In the case of Daedric Curse, this is intended to break Shadow Cloak and should NOT be suppressed by it.
If you guys find any other Damage over Time effects that are not being properly suppressed by Shadow Cloak after this fix, please post any videos, logs, etc. and we will definitely take a second look. Thanks!
Really....because I can play for 10 minutes and find several player dots that break cloak, seriously try templars burning light passive for 1. Also wtfs up with the half a second delay before you become untargetable, the amount of times in the last week that I've died to single target attacks while spamming cloak is unbelievable and its not just me I've noticed that spammng funnel health on other nightblades prevents them using cloak. IE they hit cloak go invis and I can still single target abilities at them for a split second being long enough to instantly break thier cloak no matter how hard its spammed.2 -
NoS_smoke✭✭✭Seems like a really big problem on there hands...I mean if this is true then it in sense makes nightblade signature ability useless. Especially stamina who cannot afford to spam it. Most games would hot fix this pretty quickly but zenimax will take there time because they don't really care. If you could pay crowns to fix it then it would probably be taken care of quicker. Sometimes I hate that I am stuck in this as the only console Mmo. But hey, after 120 VMA runs I finally got my maelstrom 2h so that should hold me over a little longer..0
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Thornen✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_KNowak Still getting pulled out of cloak by several player based dots man. Nb cripple for 1, Templars reflective light, Sorcerers curse breaking it before the detonation....
Still no word either on single target abilities hitting you after cloak, whatever delay was added to the invisibility making you untargetable basically means you can consistantly break a nb out of cloak by spamming instant cast single target abilities on them.
Unfortunately I have no recording software and don't intend to install any on my pc so I can't post a video but pm me ingame and I can show you. Or maybe someone else can post a vid.
Edit: I'm a terrible speller and never proof read.Edited by Thornen on March 16, 2016 11:59AM0 -
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✭TheM0rganism wrote: »Its more like bad implementation than intended mechanic (read Natch Potes to learn what changes were). Even with not working Cloak skill i can slot Purge - what a differnce?
P.S raging around isnt good for healthI think you're too specific in your comment, could you please generalize it a bit more to make it easier for us NBs who want to learn how to fight properly.
PS: Your CAPS LOCK key is stuck!
No amount of Flares, Magelights, or Caltrops can make up for the fact that you are the only class to benefit from a half-dozen passives due to a faux-disengage that can be proc'd multiple times a fight.
Why do you think NBs are the most over populated class? Because they are EZ-mode and require the least amount of skill to play.
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Lol, how do you sleep at night? You're so mad all the time, and pretty much every post you make says the same thing. Lemme ask you a question: Do you realize that ZOS developed this game? Just wondering, because you seem to think that everyone who plays this game is at fault for any bugs or imbalances. Considering how you call people "kiddo" and "son" all the time, I would expect someone of your alleged age and "wisdom" to be a little less ignorant than this.
You're like water old man, using the same lines from the 20s because it's the path of least resistance, not requiring you to learn to be open-minded because you can simply accuse everyone you come across of cheating or playing "EZ mode". A month ago you were using the same excuses to justify your hate for NBs. Have you ever even played a NB? And I mean really played one, not rolled one, got to level 10 with all your CP, and then went into non-vet and spammed cloak, turned around and said "omfg this is too easy." News flash buddy: there is a whole other population of NBs who would make you and your house look like an ant hill under a magnifying glass.
It's time you realized that your hate for NBs is unjustified. See, the real problem is that you refuse to learn how to counter them. I kill NBs on my templar all the time, and on my DK, and on my Sorc. It's really friggin simple, but you're like water, you refuse to learn to overcome them because it's too much effort. It's much easier and far less time consuming to just talk smack to everyone who plays a NB.Edited by Autolycus on March 16, 2016 3:03PM2 -
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People who choose to fight like "real men" generally don't live long enough to brag about it later.AtraisMachina wrote: »Good now you know what it feels like to fight like a real man. You know where your opponent can actually see you.
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KundaliniHero✭✭✭I personally don't like using cloak on my magblade, there are far more valuable skills imo to slot. The only time I have found it to be useful is in the sewers for avoiding mob aggro and getting into ganking position outside of that I just dont slot it. The thing about pvp that I have noticed is it's all about pressure, if your cloaking and running away you're not applying pressure. This isn't to say the whole hit & run tactic isn't viable but we have other skills at our disposal that give us misdirection and control. Might be different for a stamblade, a well timed cloak can be enough to blind side your opponent but I think Mass Hysteria is probably a more effective magika dump.
Secondly, with so many counters to cloak out there a skilled player can pretty much nullify your ability to use it, so while you're busy trying to get away you're getting killed. It's much more difficult to back peddle a strategy once it's been soured which this patch seems intent on doing in spades.
I have PVPed with @TheM0rganism, he's a legit player, he knows his class and I have seen him chew and spit out NB's on many occasions and yes even good ones. As someone who plays the NB class everyday I would wholeheartedly agree that the class has the easiest learning curve to use effectively of all the classes. There is a reason why everyone and there mom in PVP is either a NB or a SORC, its because they are both top-tiered PVP classes. You can disagree all you want but the class representation in Cyrodill doesn't lie, although I suspect now we'll be seeing more DK's running around which is a good thing for my bounty quests.
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vontariel✭✭✭AtraisMachina wrote: »
I can fight like a real men if other guys start to fight in same way and stop using every cheap defensive trick they class have for unhealthy advantage, you know something like a:
-sorc shields and bolt escape
-dk reflective scales and shield/armor
-templar heals and shield
No? So stop nagging that NB uses their (easily counterable atm) def mechanic.1 -
NoS_smoke✭✭✭Agreed, cloak is our only defense mechanic and now it could easily be taken off my bar. If I'm dueling it usually dosnt even make my bar.0
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✭Agreed, cloak is our only defense mechanic and now it could easily be taken off my bar. If I'm dueling it usually dosnt even make my bar.
Cloak is not our only defense mechanic. I've been playing a NB every day for the last two years; I don't use cloak in pvp, and I won't because there are far superior options to cloak.
That being said, it exists for a reason. Cloak was broken for a year and a half after this game released. It got fixed in IC, and everyone lost their minds when it actually worked. Now, I think the changes to magelight are almost what this game needed to counter cloak abuse (because it is a reality, not just an excuse to nerf nbs; cloak was being abused). The only problem with magelight is that is skill locks.
Cloak is a skill that has it's place in a lot of builds, including those who don't rely solely on it as a means of survival. If it's in the game, and our passives are tied to casting it, it should friggin work. NBs asking for cloak to work as intended is no different than temps asking for Toppling Charge to work. Skills should work.Edited by Autolycus on March 18, 2016 3:27PM1 -
Glamdring✭✭✭✭✭AtraisMachina wrote: »
Well give me Shields to stack or reflective armor or breath of Life and i can stop using cloak. Is it so hard to get in to your heads that cloak is our way of getting out of harms way and our signature skill. The ignorance among thoose that never played NBs are Amazing. And we are rather easy to kill too so if u have a problem with NBs . L2P1