Even soloing is almost impossible, i dont like zergs or large scale pvp so i go to lesser populated areas to find some small scale action but even then as a Nightblade, ambush doest work, i keep standing on the spot were i execute the skill, lethal arrow doesnt work, i hit nothing, the target doesnt even notice i attack.

With luck skills work only half with a delay on every skill, winning or loosing a fight is depending on lag nothing more

Iam really thinking of canceling my sub if performance is not improved in Cyrodiil soon, i love ESO and pvp but its unplayable.

And no you cant have my stuff...

Millerman34n wrote: »

Paul.... Please read!
The 8 things you could do to improve pvp that would take you little to no time. Please read the whole post before you respond please.
1) Remove Aoe caps, why were they a thing in the first place?
2) create objectives in imperial city and questing Towns, even if It's a flag with a few npc's on it also it does not have to count towards the campaign score , although It would be nice if it was.
3) You need to rework the damage, healing and shield nerf even if it is only by 10 percent less.
4) Balance dk by increasing the percentage dragons blood heals you 50%? Increase the base damage of whip and make a Stan whip. Buff battle roar and work around the passives so dk get more base spell resist and physical resist, I know the already get 3k spell resist but they need more.
5) Nerf the nb by reducing the base damage Of surprise stack and the mini stun from teleport strike. And finally nerf fear it is the most op stun in the game!!!!
6) Templars need more base armor and spell resist and sorcs are very powerful but they have their weakness and with The other classes becoming balanced they will work them selves out.
7) Add back dynamic ultimate regeneration not like 1.5 but something similar, we can sill gain ultimate of light attacks.
8) With these changes people who want to Zerg can still Zerg. Solo and small scale pvp would have a place in Imperial city and the questing towns. The separation of people will reduce the lag, and people will not be upset that their class is under performing for the most part. Their will always be problems with pvp and exploits but with these few changes 99% of people will be happy, if you agree Or disagree let me know and if you see this Paul let me know!

Dude are you joking?

Your 1st 3 points were good, but then you go into some BS points about class balance. This thread has ZERO to do with class balance and the warm fuzzy feeling your sorcs dmg shield gives you. You lost the picture..

So tired of hearing people complain about things. This is a game that is massive. Let them work and do their job. Stop complaining. ZERGburgs are fun but who cares. It's about having fun playing a game. A GAME.

Lifecode666 wrote: »

Kwivur wrote: »

Millerman34n wrote: »

Paul.... Please read!
The 8 things you could do to improve pvp that would take you little to no time. Please read the whole post before you respond please.
1) Remove Aoe caps, why were they a thing in the first place?
2) create objectives in imperial city and questing Towns, even if It's a flag with a few npc's on it also it does not have to count towards the campaign score , although It would be nice if it was.
3) You need to rework the damage, healing and shield nerf even if it is only by 10 percent less.
4) Balance dk by increasing the percentage dragons blood heals you 50%? Increase the base damage of whip and make a Stan whip. Buff battle roar and work around the passives so dk get more base spell resist and physical resist, I know the already get 3k spell resist but they need more.
5) Nerf the nb by reducing the base damage Of surprise stack and the mini stun from teleport strike. And finally nerf fear it is the most op stun in the game!!!!
6) Templars need more base armor and spell resist and sorcs are very powerful but they have their weakness and with The other classes becoming balanced they will work them selves out.
7) Add back dynamic ultimate regeneration not like 1.5 but something similar, we can sill gain ultimate of light attacks.
8) With these changes people who want to Zerg can still Zerg. Solo and small scale pvp would have a place in Imperial city and the questing towns. The separation of people will reduce the lag, and people will not be upset that their class is under performing for the most part. Their will always be problems with pvp and exploits but with these few changes 99% of people will be happy, if you agree Or disagree let me know and if you see this Paul let me know!

This is what we all want for PvP!! LISTEN TO THIS GUY!! AND FENGRUSH AND SYPHER AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS COMPLAINED ABOUT PVP!!!

5) Nerf the nb by reducing the base damage Of surprise stack and the mini stun from teleport strike. And finally nerf fear it is the most op stun in the game!!!!





Nerfing the nightblade is not the way to go.

Give DK and Templar the possibility to morph more skills into stamina or magica=win

I completely agree. As a magicka nightblade, I rely on teleport strike to gain some distance in a fight so I can use my siphon ability. Maybe stamina nightblades are too OP with this move, but it would really harm magicka nightblade and render them completely useless.

ZOS_PaulSage wrote: »

This is not a situation where we can just add more hardware.

@ZOS_PaulSage

Just to ask ... you cannot add more hardware because ZOS doesn't have the money ... or are you saying more hardware won't solve the problem, because if you're saying the latter, I'm really baffled as to how the game has been designed. Unless you're indicating that the problem is a player bandwidth issue and players are seeing a reduction in performance because their bandwidth cannot handle the massive increase in packets that comes with a large combat. If that is the case, I'm curious if someone with access to a massive connection actually sees significantly better performance that Joe Q. Public on their typical cable modem in a similar situation.

In heavy combat situations, there are 3 modes of 'lag' you are likely to be experiencing, and it is unlikely that network bandwidth at your end is contributing to it unless you have someone else in your home sharing the same connection.

Firstly, there is CPU utilisation. A low end CPU might suffer from this in heavy combat, and this might be aggravated on any computer regardless of CPU if you have other processes running and eating up CPU cycles. If you have a second monitor, you can always bring up task manager (on Windows) to keep an eye on things.

Secondly, there is GPU utilisation. If your graphics card is slow in rendering the scene, your frame rate will drop through the floor. This usually only happens on low-end and the bottom of mid-range cards and can be resolved simply by upgrading. If you don't have issues with bandwidth flooding and your CPU isn't overloaded, this is a likely cause for issues affecting just a few people in the battle.

Thirdly, there is server-side latency, generated because the server/servers are overloaded, and this type of lag affects everyone in the battle. If everyone experiences the lag, this is the cause. It is well known that with forty or more people in a flag room spamming AoE's that frame rates plummet and for some people FPS can go negative, that is to say that instead of getting a number of frames per second, they can measure the number of seconds between frames.

There is a solution for the third type, and I have been trying to contact the dev's for a year now without success. I'm not sure whether they are ignoring me or my attempts at contact are being fielded by their support teams, but leaving messages on their profile pages, here on the dev forums, through bug reports, feedback and technical support have all failed to get their attention.

They say they read these forums. If so, they can pull my email address from from my account details and open a dialogue with me, It won't hurt to hear what I have to say, and may prove useful.

They should be ashamed.

Lot of things have changed, from combat mechanics to abilities, armour buffs and debuffs etc. all of which require the game engines to have code changes.

'the best thing you can do is split off to different objectives when you notice performance going down.'

this is tail wagging dog and smacks of poor awareness and knowledge. in World v World humans congregate in groups (Zerg actually means army in this context), its natural, we want to do it, we enjoy huge battles, in fact the game was sold on this basis. Trying to split people up to avoid the problem is not an answer, changing the game engine and hardware to cope with the volume of traffic and calculations is the answer.

When lag is experienced by everyone (in the same approximate location), then it's a server-side issue. Mega-server doesn't refer to one huge physical machine, rather a network in the standard fashion with a single database, allowing everyone to connect to the same playground. Note that like most sharded games, ESO has zones and instances. The individual servers in the network may be seperate units or more likely, blade servers or a similar tech.

As for reducing lag in Cyrodiil, I know exactly how to do that, but ZOS don't seem to want to talk to me, even though I have successfully used the technique before. On the offchance that a ZOS employee reads this message, please feel free to dig out my email address from this account and contact me.

1 year later lag is not fixed. Players are offering thier help free of charge because they care about the game.

Probably will get ignored.

[snip] is going on? U broke it u fix it. We didn't break it by playing it the way you showed us to play it.

[edited for profanity bypass]

Why not remove lighting patch?
Why not remove bot checking patch and rely on players to report bitters?

Does the server check whether or not a player is in a possible AOE zone before looking into player/AOE positions more carefully?
Breaking up space in sectors for rough estimations can help a lot. If player and AOE are in same zone, then proceed and calculate properly.
Does netcode offer lower positional precison for players who are further away? If player is a target for a ranged attack, server can be kind and give the client a more exact position, which will be helpfull if the target is half-hidden behind a cover.

Also, if server is too fed up, it should priroritize a lot. For example, if somene casts their attack on someone else (if I'm not selected target), then it's not worth to send me information about that guy's actions, his attack is irrelevant as long as it doesn't affect me. Assuming this approach will double the performance in ultra zerg situations, I see this as a reasonable tradeoff. Of course this [snip] approach shouldn't be active when performance is good enough, it's all for extreme situations when ping is over 750 ms.

If there's a tight group running around, only the players in edge of the group are visible, so I don't need to know what people people inside/on the other side of the zerg are doing exactly - just send me their movement info, shield and health. I only need to have to see full animation set of people who are in front of me.

Also, if server fed up to 4K ping, I probably don't even need to know who attacks whom, so even if attack is done on someone else, my client side doesn't need to know anything else than how much health remains on victim player and which effect is applied on him after attack. Sure it can make the game look like people don't attack each other and people simply take damage, but this should be balancing with the current server performance, until like some reasonable part of information is tossed away (so that some part of players, the closest ones or who stay away from zergs will still look like they deal/receive proper attacks). If there's a huge high-density zerg causing performance loss, I don't need to know what each individual in that zerg is doing unless "that one guy's" actions affect me or a guy whom I can heal or protect by shielding.

[edited for bashing]

What is the solution and why would they not know it already?

Why haven't u just posted it here?

Is it some kind of proprietary information you could get in trouble for releasing, or something of your own u don't want everyone to know?

I am asking bc I mentioned ur post and someone said u are wrong b/c there is nothing one dude can do about or something along those lines. They then threw out a bunch of jargon I only understood partially.

As I have mentioned before (not sure if it was in this thread), I have over 30 years of experience as a professional programmer, and over the last 6 years have used the technique to resolve similar issues in multiplayer games.

I never suggested that 'one dude' could fix the issues, but explaining the technique to them would enable them to get working on the solution.

Is it some kind of proprietary information you could get in trouble for releasing, or something of your own u don't want everyone to know?

It's not proprietory at all, it's a technique that has been used to great affect in business for over a decade. The reasons I haven't posted it here or elsewhere on the forums are:
a) I need to know they are listening, and I'm not convinced they are reading these posts
b) I don't want every other game to employ this technique, I want this game to use it and become more popular

Is it a silver bullet? Note entirely, but it is certainly a silver plated one.