Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Well organized groups (you call them Zergs) will never stop, just adjust. We're already figuring that out. Much of it is moving quickly, don't stand in one spot, use block more often, get impen. etc etc, we'll figure it out.

What we've now created is a way for the elite to solo groups of 20 on their own with suicide bombs.

Again, the well organized groups (5% of the player base) will adjust and be fine. The elite solo'er (0.1% of the population) will now bomb spots of natural choke points that just happens to have a lot of players.

The remaining 95%? They're goi8ng to die faster than ever in PvP now.

How is this good for the game?

Every time a zerg buster ability is added to the game....all it does it make the game worse for 95% of the population.

Luckily, I run with a well organized group.

They will then follow it up with "spread out" as they're intentionally waiting inside a choke point where you can't spread out. "Spread out" on the flag you can't actually spread out on guys, because, it sounds cool and makes me look like an ESO hipster saying it. When @Sypher does this on an open field, then yes, 'spread out' has merit, but you've only been capable of doing this in condensed chokes where you can't spread out, which was what players said over and over again in criticism of the balance of the set, but were told we don't know what we're talking about and just zergling baddies. Soooo, you're going to be doing this in the open Nikel field next right? No? Hmm, wonder why not?

Most of the organized pvp groups already came up with strats to counter this, you'll catch some off-guard or low on resources occasionally, but these vids will typically be about wiping players that aren't in groups, which, /golfclap xD ... dat wrobel balance where the game gets turned into an aoe FPS instead of having aoe caps addressed... lulz. FYI, most of the organized pvp groups will be outfitted in this as well, so GG, now we get to run cookie cutter builds and the meta is about who gets their ult off first. I'll be running this and fasalla's on my toons, but, I'm just honest enough to admit poor balance when I see it.

I mean - we talked about this set and AOE caps on We Are ESO... Sypher even agreed that he would rather have things like dynamic ult gen than this set.


This isnt the solution people wanted. But its a lot better than 30 idiots being completely invulnerable to a couple guys due to the fact those idiots are standing close to each other.

With no barriers, prox det being at super saiyan levels, ults like soul tether, and sets like alchemists - it's easy enough even without VD to bomb and kill larger numbers. I've wondered whether our raid even needs to run VD given how easy kills have been to get over the last week. Besides, there is no 'wiping' a group any more, in most fights they're back in 30 seconds via a forward camp.

Yeah like zerging in one ball group and spaming one ability is hard.

As mentioned by @FENGRUSH this is not a perfect solution...there are solutions out there way better than what we currently have.
But one think is certain - a ball group should be extremely weak and vulnerable just like in the real life scenarios

Actually, if we're talking real life, having formations is an advantage. The way it is set up, organized guilds put together formations viable to the battlefield, which is typically a ball or a column. The unorganized group is just all over the place.

But in this game we hate people who try to organize themselves into competitive formations.

Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Well organized groups (you call them Zergs) will never stop, just adjust. We're already figuring that out. Much of it is moving quickly, don't stand in one spot, use block more often, get impen. etc etc, we'll figure it out.

What we've now created is a way for the elite to solo groups of 20 on their own with suicide bombs.

Again, the well organized groups (5% of the player base) will adjust and be fine. The elite solo'er (0.1% of the population) will now bomb spots of natural choke points that just happens to have a lot of players.

The remaining 95%? They're goi8ng to die faster than ever in PvP now.

How is this good for the game?

Every time a zerg buster ability is added to the game....all it does it make the game worse for 95% of the population.

Luckily, I run with a well organized group.

They will then follow it up with "spread out" as they're intentionally waiting inside a choke point where you can't spread out. "Spread out" on the flag you can't actually spread out on guys, because, it sounds cool and makes me look like an ESO hipster saying it. When @Sypher does this on an open field, then yes, 'spread out' has merit, but you've only been capable of doing this in condensed chokes where you can't spread out, which was what players said over and over again in criticism of the balance of the set, but were told we don't know what we're talking about and just zergling baddies. Soooo, you're going to be doing this in the open Nikel field next right? No? Hmm, wonder why not?

Most of the organized pvp groups already came up with strats to counter this, you'll catch some off-guard or low on resources occasionally, but these vids will typically be about wiping players that aren't in groups, which, /golfclap xD ... dat wrobel balance where the game gets turned into an aoe FPS instead of having aoe caps addressed... lulz. FYI, most of the organized pvp groups will be outfitted in this as well, so GG, now we get to run cookie cutter builds and the meta is about who gets their ult off first. I'll be running this and fasalla's on my toons, but, I'm just honest enough to admit poor balance when I see it.

I mean - we talked about this set and AOE caps on We Are ESO... Sypher even agreed that he would rather have things like dynamic ult gen than this set.


This isnt the solution people wanted. But its a lot better than 30 idiots being completely invulnerable to a couple guys due to the fact those idiots are standing close to each other.

With no barriers, prox det being at super saiyan levels, ults like soul tether, and sets like alchemists - it' s easy enough even without VD to bomb and kill larger numbers. I've wondered whether our raid even needs to run VD given how easy kills have been to get over the last week. Besides, there is no 'wiping' a group any more, in most fights they're back in 30 seconds via a forward camp.

Yeah like zerging in one ball group and spaming one ability is hard.

As mentioned by @FENGRUSH this is not a perfect solution...there are solutions out there way better than what we currently have.
But one think is certain - a ball group should be extremely weak and vulnerable just like in the real life scenarios

Actually, if we're talking real life, having formations is an advantage. The way it is set up, organized guilds put together formations viable to the battlefield, which is typically a ball or a column. The unorganized group is just all over the place.

But in this game we hate people who try to organize themselves into competitive formations.

Again when those formations are fighting they are spread. Each element of the formation has a dedicated role, there are scouts, medics, snipers, missile launchers etc...they don't stay in one ball group - the whole formation will go down in seconds if they do.

And again, "ball groups" rarely stay in "ball group" form. Most typically you form yourself in a ball to receive all short range aoe buffs, but movement, bombs and pretty much all maneuvers are column/spread formation which than condenses back into a ball for rebuffs and and extends back into a column into a new direction.

Ball groups are hardly ever in "ball group" form. Pretty much pre-fight, and on a hard burn. That's it.

EDIT: Oh, and on choke points because despite how loud anyone yells, there is no way to "spread out" when going through a choke

ToRelax wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Well organized groups (you call them Zergs) will never stop, just adjust. We're already figuring that out. Much of it is moving quickly, don't stand in one spot, use block more often, get impen. etc etc, we'll figure it out.

What we've now created is a way for the elite to solo groups of 20 on their own with suicide bombs.

Again, the well organized groups (5% of the player base) will adjust and be fine. The elite solo'er (0.1% of the population) will now bomb spots of natural choke points that just happens to have a lot of players.

The remaining 95%? They're goi8ng to die faster than ever in PvP now.

How is this good for the game?

Every time a zerg buster ability is added to the game....all it does it make the game worse for 95% of the population.

Luckily, I run with a well organized group.

They will then follow it up with "spread out" as they're intentionally waiting inside a choke point where you can't spread out. "Spread out" on the flag you can't actually spread out on guys, because, it sounds cool and makes me look like an ESO hipster saying it. When @Sypher does this on an open field, then yes, 'spread out' has merit, but you've only been capable of doing this in condensed chokes where you can't spread out, which was what players said over and over again in criticism of the balance of the set, but were told we don't know what we're talking about and just zergling baddies. Soooo, you're going to be doing this in the open Nikel field next right? No? Hmm, wonder why not?

Most of the organized pvp groups already came up with strats to counter this, you'll catch some off-guard or low on resources occasionally, but these vids will typically be about wiping players that aren't in groups, which, /golfclap xD ... dat wrobel balance where the game gets turned into an aoe FPS instead of having aoe caps addressed... lulz. FYI, most of the organized pvp groups will be outfitted in this as well, so GG, now we get to run cookie cutter builds and the meta is about who gets their ult off first. I'll be running this and fasalla's on my toons, but, I'm just honest enough to admit poor balance when I see it.

I mean - we talked about this set and AOE caps on We Are ESO... Sypher even agreed that he would rather have things like dynamic ult gen than this set.


This isnt the solution people wanted. But its a lot better than 30 idiots being completely invulnerable to a couple guys due to the fact those idiots are standing close to each other.

With no barriers, prox det being at super saiyan levels, ults like soul tether, and sets like alchemists - it' s easy enough even without VD to bomb and kill larger numbers. I've wondered whether our raid even needs to run VD given how easy kills have been to get over the last week. Besides, there is no 'wiping' a group any more, in most fights they're back in 30 seconds via a forward camp.

Yeah like zerging in one ball group and spaming one ability is hard.

As mentioned by @FENGRUSH this is not a perfect solution...there are solutions out there way better than what we currently have.
But one think is certain - a ball group should be extremely weak and vulnerable just like in the real life scenarios

Actually, if we're talking real life, having formations is an advantage. The way it is set up, organized guilds put together formations viable to the battlefield, which is typically a ball or a column. The unorganized group is just all over the place.

But in this game we hate people who try to organize themselves into competitive formations.

Again when those formations are fighting they are spread. Each element of the formation has a dedicated role, there are scouts, medics, snipers, missile launchers etc...they don't stay in one ball group - the whole formation will go down in seconds if they do.

And again, "ball groups" rarely stay in "ball group" form. Most typically you form yourself in a ball to receive all short range aoe buffs, but movement, bombs and pretty much all maneuvers are column/spread formation which than condenses back into a ball for rebuffs and and extends back into a column into a new direction.

Ball groups are hardly ever in "ball group" form. Pretty much pre-fight, and on a hard burn. That's it.

EDIT: Oh, and on choke points because despite how loud anyone yells, there is no way to "spread out" when going through a choke

There are different ways to deal with choke points, from charges over roll dodging and bolt escape to maneuvers, barrier and purges. Just relying on a large ball of allies doesn't work as well anymore. It truly is eye-opening to see players seemingly for the first time discover that it might be difficult to get through without the right strategy though.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ball groups wont really stay in ball groups now cause they cant. Ball groups before have always stayed as ball groups though. I dont buy into the spreading thing. Ive fought them, Ive seen other guilds fight them. They balled up. They werent doing expert maneuvers or strategy. Theyre going to a spot in a ball. Nobody in the world should ever desire this. And if you scattered, youd get a portion of your group chunked out, and be unable to fight what remains. So they were always balled up.

I dont mean to diminish players or their guilds or their talents. But balling in this game or other MMOs is among the lowest skilled level of mass PVP Ive seen in any MMOs Ive PVPd in - or any game play from any genre Ive seen. Its why a lot of people have wanted it gone since it started to develop. Its why a lot of the really good guilds in this game quit a long time ago.

Its not really your fault - given the mechanics ZOS put in.

Satiar wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Well organized groups (you call them Zergs) will never stop, just adjust. We're already figuring that out. Much of it is moving quickly, don't stand in one spot, use block more often, get impen. etc etc, we'll figure it out.

What we've now created is a way for the elite to solo groups of 20 on their own with suicide bombs.

Again, the well organized groups (5% of the player base) will adjust and be fine. The elite solo'er (0.1% of the population) will now bomb spots of natural choke points that just happens to have a lot of players.

The remaining 95%? They're goi8ng to die faster than ever in PvP now.

How is this good for the game?

Every time a zerg buster ability is added to the game....all it does it make the game worse for 95% of the population.

Luckily, I run with a well organized group.

They will then follow it up with "spread out" as they're intentionally waiting inside a choke point where you can't spread out. "Spread out" on the flag you can't actually spread out on guys, because, it sounds cool and makes me look like an ESO hipster saying it. When @Sypher does this on an open field, then yes, 'spread out' has merit, but you've only been capable of doing this in condensed chokes where you can't spread out, which was what players said over and over again in criticism of the balance of the set, but were told we don't know what we're talking about and just zergling baddies. Soooo, you're going to be doing this in the open Nikel field next right? No? Hmm, wonder why not?

Most of the organized pvp groups already came up with strats to counter this, you'll catch some off-guard or low on resources occasionally, but these vids will typically be about wiping players that aren't in groups, which, /golfclap xD ... dat wrobel balance where the game gets turned into an aoe FPS instead of having aoe caps addressed... lulz. FYI, most of the organized pvp groups will be outfitted in this as well, so GG, now we get to run cookie cutter builds and the meta is about who gets their ult off first. I'll be running this and fasalla's on my toons, but, I'm just honest enough to admit poor balance when I see it.

I mean - we talked about this set and AOE caps on We Are ESO... Sypher even agreed that he would rather have things like dynamic ult gen than this set.


This isnt the solution people wanted. But its a lot better than 30 idiots being completely invulnerable to a couple guys due to the fact those idiots are standing close to each other.

With no barriers, prox det being at super saiyan levels, ults like soul tether, and sets like alchemists - it' s easy enough even without VD to bomb and kill larger numbers. I've wondered whether our raid even needs to run VD given how easy kills have been to get over the last week. Besides, there is no 'wiping' a group any more, in most fights they're back in 30 seconds via a forward camp.

Yeah like zerging in one ball group and spaming one ability is hard.

As mentioned by @FENGRUSH this is not a perfect solution...there are solutions out there way better than what we currently have.
But one think is certain - a ball group should be extremely weak and vulnerable just like in the real life scenarios

Actually, if we're talking real life, having formations is an advantage. The way it is set up, organized guilds put together formations viable to the battlefield, which is typically a ball or a column. The unorganized group is just all over the place.

But in this game we hate people who try to organize themselves into competitive formations.

Again when those formations are fighting they are spread. Each element of the formation has a dedicated role, there are scouts, medics, snipers, missile launchers etc...they don't stay in one ball group - the whole formation will go down in seconds if they do.

And again, "ball groups" rarely stay in "ball group" form. Most typically you form yourself in a ball to receive all short range aoe buffs, but movement, bombs and pretty much all maneuvers are column/spread formation which than condenses back into a ball for rebuffs and and extends back into a column into a new direction.

Ball groups are hardly ever in "ball group" form. Pretty much pre-fight, and on a hard burn. That's it.

EDIT: Oh, and on choke points because despite how loud anyone yells, there is no way to "spread out" when going through a choke

There are different ways to deal with choke points, from charges over roll dodging and bolt escape to maneuvers, barrier and purges. Just relying on a large ball of allies doesn't work as well anymore. It truly is eye-opening to see players seemingly for the first time discover that it might be difficult to get through without the right strategy though.

There is only so much strategy you can apply to a breach that's covered in oil, meat bags, and a prox group safely out of LoS with a dozen meteors to drop on you. I was playing my EP with friends yesterday, defending Sej vs an AD Zerg and.... It's comically easy. If they come through the breach burst them. If they heal they lose Rapids and can't move. If they don't heal they die. It's just. That, simple.

Didgerion wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Well organized groups (you call them Zergs) will never stop, just adjust. We're already figuring that out. Much of it is moving quickly, don't stand in one spot, use block more often, get impen. etc etc, we'll figure it out.

What we've now created is a way for the elite to solo groups of 20 on their own with suicide bombs.

Again, the well organized groups (5% of the player base) will adjust and be fine. The elite solo'er (0.1% of the population) will now bomb spots of natural choke points that just happens to have a lot of players.

The remaining 95%? They're goi8ng to die faster than ever in PvP now.

How is this good for the game?

Every time a zerg buster ability is added to the game....all it does it make the game worse for 95% of the population.

Luckily, I run with a well organized group.

They will then follow it up with "spread out" as they're intentionally waiting inside a choke point where you can't spread out. "Spread out" on the flag you can't actually spread out on guys, because, it sounds cool and makes me look like an ESO hipster saying it. When @Sypher does this on an open field, then yes, 'spread out' has merit, but you've only been capable of doing this in condensed chokes where you can't spread out, which was what players said over and over again in criticism of the balance of the set, but were told we don't know what we're talking about and just zergling baddies. Soooo, you're going to be doing this in the open Nikel field next right? No? Hmm, wonder why not?

Most of the organized pvp groups already came up with strats to counter this, you'll catch some off-guard or low on resources occasionally, but these vids will typically be about wiping players that aren't in groups, which, /golfclap xD ... dat wrobel balance where the game gets turned into an aoe FPS instead of having aoe caps addressed... lulz. FYI, most of the organized pvp groups will be outfitted in this as well, so GG, now we get to run cookie cutter builds and the meta is about who gets their ult off first. I'll be running this and fasalla's on my toons, but, I'm just honest enough to admit poor balance when I see it.

I mean - we talked about this set and AOE caps on We Are ESO... Sypher even agreed that he would rather have things like dynamic ult gen than this set.


This isnt the solution people wanted. But its a lot better than 30 idiots being completely invulnerable to a couple guys due to the fact those idiots are standing close to each other.

With no barriers, prox det being at super saiyan levels, ults like soul tether, and sets like alchemists - it' s easy enough even without VD to bomb and kill larger numbers. I've wondered whether our raid even needs to run VD given how easy kills have been to get over the last week. Besides, there is no 'wiping' a group any more, in most fights they're back in 30 seconds via a forward camp.

Yeah like zerging in one ball group and spaming one ability is hard.

As mentioned by @FENGRUSH this is not a perfect solution...there are solutions out there way better than what we currently have.
But one think is certain - a ball group should be extremely weak and vulnerable just like in the real life scenarios

Actually, if we're talking real life, having formations is an advantage. The way it is set up, organized guilds put together formations viable to the battlefield, which is typically a ball or a column. The unorganized group is just all over the place.

But in this game we hate people who try to organize themselves into competitive formations.

Again when those formations are fighting they are spread. Each element of the formation has a dedicated role, there are scouts, medics, snipers, missile launchers etc...they don't stay in one ball group - the whole formation will go down in seconds if they do.

And again, "ball groups" rarely stay in "ball group" form. Most typically you form yourself in a ball to receive all short range aoe buffs, but movement, bombs and pretty much all maneuvers are column/spread formation which than condenses back into a ball for rebuffs and and extends back into a column into a new direction.

Ball groups are hardly ever in "ball group" form. Pretty much pre-fight, and on a hard burn. That's it.

EDIT: Oh, and on choke points because despite how loud anyone yells, there is no way to "spread out" when going through a choke

There are different ways to deal with choke points, from charges over roll dodging and bolt escape to maneuvers, barrier and purges. Just relying on a large ball of allies doesn't work as well anymore. It truly is eye-opening to see players seemingly for the first time discover that it might be difficult to get through without the right strategy though.

There is only so much strategy you can apply to a breach that's covered in oil, meat bags, and a prox group safely out of LoS with a dozen meteors to drop on you. I was playing my EP with friends yesterday, defending Sej vs an AD Zerg and.... It's comically easy. If they come through the breach burst them. If they heal they lose Rapids and can't move. If they don't heal they die. It's just. That, simple.

What about creating the second breach?
What about setting up a gang group for cutting down the reinforcements?
What about choosing the right moment to go into a breach?

It is not that simple, and if you play simple you fail, exactly how the enemy did in your scenario.

Sypher wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

This is what I love. Seeing someone who can't play other classes, following the ZoS induced garbage meta and creating more bandwagon videos.

This new meta is awful and to see a streamer follow the garbage EVERY magblade is running is extremely saddening. Thanks for promoting this kind of ***. -2/10 for originality

"EP | Arinar Silinious | v16 - Magicka Nightblade"

Are you part of this garbage? Please, I must know.

Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Well organized groups (you call them Zergs) will never stop, just adjust. We're already figuring that out. Much of it is moving quickly, don't stand in one spot, use block more often, get impen. etc etc, we'll figure it out.

What we've now created is a way for the elite to solo groups of 20 on their own with suicide bombs.

Again, the well organized groups (5% of the player base) will adjust and be fine. The elite solo'er (0.1% of the population) will now bomb spots of natural choke points that just happens to have a lot of players.

The remaining 95%? They're goi8ng to die faster than ever in PvP now.

How is this good for the game?

Every time a zerg buster ability is added to the game....all it does it make the game worse for 95% of the population.

Luckily, I run with a well organized group.

They will then follow it up with "spread out" as they're intentionally waiting inside a choke point where you can't spread out. "Spread out" on the flag you can't actually spread out on guys, because, it sounds cool and makes me look like an ESO hipster saying it. When @Sypher does this on an open field, then yes, 'spread out' has merit, but you've only been capable of doing this in condensed chokes where you can't spread out, which was what players said over and over again in criticism of the balance of the set, but were told we don't know what we're talking about and just zergling baddies. Soooo, you're going to be doing this in the open Nikel field next right? No? Hmm, wonder why not?

Most of the organized pvp groups already came up with strats to counter this, you'll catch some off-guard or low on resources occasionally, but these vids will typically be about wiping players that aren't in groups, which, /golfclap xD ... dat wrobel balance where the game gets turned into an aoe FPS instead of having aoe caps addressed... lulz. FYI, most of the organized pvp groups will be outfitted in this as well, so GG, now we get to run cookie cutter builds and the meta is about who gets their ult off first. I'll be running this and fasalla's on my toons, but, I'm just honest enough to admit poor balance when I see it.

I mean - we talked about this set and AOE caps on We Are ESO... Sypher even agreed that he would rather have things like dynamic ult gen than this set.


This isnt the solution people wanted. But its a lot better than 30 idiots being completely invulnerable to a couple guys due to the fact those idiots are standing close to each other.

With no barriers, prox det being at super saiyan levels, ults like soul tether, and sets like alchemists - it' s easy enough even without VD to bomb and kill larger numbers. I've wondered whether our raid even needs to run VD given how easy kills have been to get over the last week. Besides, there is no 'wiping' a group any more, in most fights they're back in 30 seconds via a forward camp.

Yeah like zerging in one ball group and spaming one ability is hard.

As mentioned by @FENGRUSH this is not a perfect solution...there are solutions out there way better than what we currently have.
But one think is certain - a ball group should be extremely weak and vulnerable just like in the real life scenarios

Actually, if we're talking real life, having formations is an advantage. The way it is set up, organized guilds put together formations viable to the battlefield, which is typically a ball or a column. The unorganized group is just all over the place.

But in this game we hate people who try to organize themselves into competitive formations.

Again when those formations are fighting they are spread. Each element of the formation has a dedicated role, there are scouts, medics, snipers, missile launchers etc...they don't stay in one ball group - the whole formation will go down in seconds if they do.

And again, "ball groups" rarely stay in "ball group" form. Most typically you form yourself in a ball to receive all short range aoe buffs, but movement, bombs and pretty much all maneuvers are column/spread formation which than condenses back into a ball for rebuffs and and extends back into a column into a new direction.

Ball groups are hardly ever in "ball group" form. Pretty much pre-fight, and on a hard burn. That's it.

EDIT: Oh, and on choke points because despite how loud anyone yells, there is no way to "spread out" when going through a choke

Oh nonono, that was not a pre-fight situation bud. If you need a pre-fight buff then you do it in a location where the fight cannot reach you. Or you say - please everyone seize the war till we buff up.

Reapplying buffs/purging effects is a staple in MMO/RPG combat. People will recondense as close as is needed to do that.

Ampnode wrote: »

You and Feng might be teaching the ball groupers a lesson, but keep in mind that the blame for all the 1 hit prox det builds will mainly be put towards you two since you advocate this kind of playstyle. But again, not bashing you two for trying to teach these players and ZOS a lesson

Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Well organized groups (you call them Zergs) will never stop, just adjust. We're already figuring that out. Much of it is moving quickly, don't stand in one spot, use block more often, get impen. etc etc, we'll figure it out.

What we've now created is a way for the elite to solo groups of 20 on their own with suicide bombs.

Again, the well organized groups (5% of the player base) will adjust and be fine. The elite solo'er (0.1% of the population) will now bomb spots of natural choke points that just happens to have a lot of players.

The remaining 95%? They're goi8ng to die faster than ever in PvP now.

How is this good for the game?

Every time a zerg buster ability is added to the game....all it does it make the game worse for 95% of the population.

Luckily, I run with a well organized group.

They will then follow it up with "spread out" as they're intentionally waiting inside a choke point where you can't spread out. "Spread out" on the flag you can't actually spread out on guys, because, it sounds cool and makes me look like an ESO hipster saying it. When @Sypher does this on an open field, then yes, 'spread out' has merit, but you've only been capable of doing this in condensed chokes where you can't spread out, which was what players said over and over again in criticism of the balance of the set, but were told we don't know what we're talking about and just zergling baddies. Soooo, you're going to be doing this in the open Nikel field next right? No? Hmm, wonder why not?

Most of the organized pvp groups already came up with strats to counter this, you'll catch some off-guard or low on resources occasionally, but these vids will typically be about wiping players that aren't in groups, which, /golfclap xD ... dat wrobel balance where the game gets turned into an aoe FPS instead of having aoe caps addressed... lulz. FYI, most of the organized pvp groups will be outfitted in this as well, so GG, now we get to run cookie cutter builds and the meta is about who gets their ult off first. I'll be running this and fasalla's on my toons, but, I'm just honest enough to admit poor balance when I see it.

I mean - we talked about this set and AOE caps on We Are ESO... Sypher even agreed that he would rather have things like dynamic ult gen than this set.


This isnt the solution people wanted. But its a lot better than 30 idiots being completely invulnerable to a couple guys due to the fact those idiots are standing close to each other.

With no barriers, prox det being at super saiyan levels, ults like soul tether, and sets like alchemists - it' s easy enough even without VD to bomb and kill larger numbers. I've wondered whether our raid even needs to run VD given how easy kills have been to get over the last week. Besides, there is no 'wiping' a group any more, in most fights they're back in 30 seconds via a forward camp.

Yeah like zerging in one ball group and spaming one ability is hard.

As mentioned by @FENGRUSH this is not a perfect solution...there are solutions out there way better than what we currently have.
But one think is certain - a ball group should be extremely weak and vulnerable just like in the real life scenarios

Actually, if we're talking real life, having formations is an advantage. The way it is set up, organized guilds put together formations viable to the battlefield, which is typically a ball or a column. The unorganized group is just all over the place.

But in this game we hate people who try to organize themselves into competitive formations.

Again when those formations are fighting they are spread. Each element of the formation has a dedicated role, there are scouts, medics, snipers, missile launchers etc...they don't stay in one ball group - the whole formation will go down in seconds if they do.

And again, "ball groups" rarely stay in "ball group" form. Most typically you form yourself in a ball to receive all short range aoe buffs, but movement, bombs and pretty much all maneuvers are column/spread formation which than condenses back into a ball for rebuffs and and extends back into a column into a new direction.

Ball groups are hardly ever in "ball group" form. Pretty much pre-fight, and on a hard burn. That's it.

EDIT: Oh, and on choke points because despite how loud anyone yells, there is no way to "spread out" when going through a choke

There are different ways to deal with choke points, from charges over roll dodging and bolt escape to maneuvers, barrier and purges. Just relying on a large ball of allies doesn't work as well anymore. It truly is eye-opening to see players seemingly for the first time discover that it might be difficult to get through without the right strategy though.

There is only so much strategy you can apply to a breach that's covered in oil, meat bags, and a prox group safely out of LoS with a dozen meteors to drop on you. I was playing my EP with friends yesterday, defending Sej vs an AD Zerg and.... It's comically easy. If they come through the breach burst them. If they heal they lose Rapids and can't move. If they don't heal they die. It's just. That, simple.

What about creating the second breach?
What about setting up a gang group for cutting down the reinforcements?
What about choosing the right moment to go into a breach?

It is not that simple, and if you play simple you fail, exactly how the enemy did in your scenario.

2nd breach into the inner... Why ? How does this help unless I outnumber my enemies? Gank groups are nice but have you heard of CAMPS? Choosing the right moment to stick your foot in a bear trap is still sticking your foot in a bear trap.

PrinceFabious wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

This is what I love. Seeing someone who can't play other classes, following the ZoS induced garbage meta and creating more bandwagon videos.

This new meta is awful and to see a streamer follow the garbage EVERY magblade is running is extremely saddening. Thanks for promoting this kind of ***. -2/10 for originality

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Didn't quite get 13, but got 9 yellows so it will do

Had to cut and paste the KB's since they didn't fit in my chat window. 9 kills, sadly there was 15 more people there and I was aggroed by guards so got rekt in the end. But totally worth it !