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D0ntevenL1ft

Sharee wrote: »

New meta: spread out or die.

Unless you see a Stam build coming

Mr_Nobody

Xsorus wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ball groups wont really stay in ball groups now cause they cant. Ball groups before have always stayed as ball groups though. I dont buy into the spreading thing. Ive fought them, Ive seen other guilds fight them. They balled up. They werent doing expert maneuvers or strategy. Theyre going to a spot in a ball. Nobody in the world should ever desire this. And if you scattered, youd get a portion of your group chunked out, and be unable to fight what remains. So they were always balled up.

I dont mean to diminish players or their guilds or their talents. But balling in this game or other MMOs is among the lowest skilled level of mass PVP Ive seen in any MMOs Ive PVPd in - or any game play from any genre Ive seen. Its why a lot of people have wanted it gone since it started to develop. Its why a lot of the really good guilds in this game quit a long time ago.

Its not really your fault - given the mechanics ZOS put in.

Its so easy...ENTIRE PUG zergs in Gw2 do it....So anyone claiming it was skill was woefully delusional.

GW2 is like 27 times harder game to play, you cant compare its casual players to casual ones on ESO.

leepalmer95

xEcthelionx wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

xEcthelionx wrote: »

This is what I love. Seeing someone who can't play other classes, following the ZoS induced garbage meta and creating more bandwagon videos.

Too much salt is bad for your health.

Coming to PS4 and getting smacked is bad for yours. Stick to PC and youtube where you can copy other people's builds and cheese for subs against bad players.

I'm on ps4? who are you again?

Xsorus

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ball groups wont really stay in ball groups now cause they cant. Ball groups before have always stayed as ball groups though. I dont buy into the spreading thing. Ive fought them, Ive seen other guilds fight them. They balled up. They werent doing expert maneuvers or strategy. Theyre going to a spot in a ball. Nobody in the world should ever desire this. And if you scattered, youd get a portion of your group chunked out, and be unable to fight what remains. So they were always balled up.

I dont mean to diminish players or their guilds or their talents. But balling in this game or other MMOs is among the lowest skilled level of mass PVP Ive seen in any MMOs Ive PVPd in - or any game play from any genre Ive seen. Its why a lot of people have wanted it gone since it started to develop. Its why a lot of the really good guilds in this game quit a long time ago.

Its not really your fault - given the mechanics ZOS put in.

Its so easy...ENTIRE PUG zergs in Gw2 do it....So anyone claiming it was skill was woefully delusional.

GW2 is like 27 times harder game to play, you cant compare its casual players to casual ones on ESO.

Not really...I don't find it remotely harder to play at all.

Zheg

Xsorus wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ball groups wont really stay in ball groups now cause they cant. Ball groups before have always stayed as ball groups though. I dont buy into the spreading thing. Ive fought them, Ive seen other guilds fight them. They balled up. They werent doing expert maneuvers or strategy. Theyre going to a spot in a ball. Nobody in the world should ever desire this. And if you scattered, youd get a portion of your group chunked out, and be unable to fight what remains. So they were always balled up.

I dont mean to diminish players or their guilds or their talents. But balling in this game or other MMOs is among the lowest skilled level of mass PVP Ive seen in any MMOs Ive PVPd in - or any game play from any genre Ive seen. Its why a lot of people have wanted it gone since it started to develop. Its why a lot of the really good guilds in this game quit a long time ago.

Its not really your fault - given the mechanics ZOS put in.

Its so easy...ENTIRE PUG zergs in Gw2 do it....So anyone claiming it was skill was woefully delusional.

GW2 is like 27 times harder game to play, you cant compare its casual players to casual ones on ESO.

Not really...I don't find it remotely harder to play at all.

Is it harder to play than DAOC?

Xsorus

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ball groups wont really stay in ball groups now cause they cant. Ball groups before have always stayed as ball groups though. I dont buy into the spreading thing. Ive fought them, Ive seen other guilds fight them. They balled up. They werent doing expert maneuvers or strategy. Theyre going to a spot in a ball. Nobody in the world should ever desire this. And if you scattered, youd get a portion of your group chunked out, and be unable to fight what remains. So they were always balled up.

I dont mean to diminish players or their guilds or their talents. But balling in this game or other MMOs is among the lowest skilled level of mass PVP Ive seen in any MMOs Ive PVPd in - or any game play from any genre Ive seen. Its why a lot of people have wanted it gone since it started to develop. Its why a lot of the really good guilds in this game quit a long time ago.

Its not really your fault - given the mechanics ZOS put in.

Its so easy...ENTIRE PUG zergs in Gw2 do it....So anyone claiming it was skill was woefully delusional.

GW2 is like 27 times harder game to play, you cant compare its casual players to casual ones on ESO.

Not really...I don't find it remotely harder to play at all.

Is it harder to play than DAOC?

That would be harder to define... DAOC had some mechanics that make both games look like easy mode... But you didn't have things like active dodging or blocking.

RadioheadSh0t

I don't know, I've spent a lot of time 1vXing and small group, and I've also spent a lot time in higher end raids, and I truly don't see the implied "skill gap" described by people, most of whom don't run in groups.

As someone who enjoys both styles, I don't think one is significantly more "skillful" than the other. While I do like the proxy Det and vicious changes to give solo/small groups more tools to counter them, I think it takes a lot of skill to move and coordinate at a high level against the best competition. I don't like multiple stacked raids, and my preferred group size is 12-16, but if it's an even numbered fight between two groups of equal quality, the margins for coordination and execution can be razor thin.

I think a big problem with 1vX is the game mechanics have incentivized it far too much towards large group play. I think part of it is that the player base has gotten less skillful over time, and a lot of the players who could competently solo open world have left. Give solo/small group tools, but if you disincentivize groups too much and you take away from the Alliance War objectives, because solo players and four man groups aren't going to be accomplishing objectives.

There can be room for both, but from my perspective I don't think the "skill gap" as described by some people is accurate. The game mechanics need to create incentives for both, whereas there was only incentives for grouping until now, but there are tons of very good players who run in raids, so I don't get the elitist attitude.

LegendaryChef

Master_Kas wrote: »

Didn't quite get 13, but got 9 yellows so it will do

Had to cut and paste the KB's since they didn't fit in my chat window. 9 kills, sadly there was 15 more people there and I was aggroed by guards so got rekt in the end. But totally worth it !

Noob!

leepalmer95

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Didn't quite get 13, but got 9 yellows so it will do

Had to cut and paste the KB's since they didn't fit in my chat window. 9 kills, sadly there was 15 more people there and I was aggroed by guards so got rekt in the end. But totally worth it !

Noob!

You the noob with your phone s/s

Chelos

Sypher wrote: »

God Bless The Vicious Death set

Seriously?
You think this is a good thing?
Pathetic!

Master_Kas

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Didn't quite get 13, but got 9 yellows so it will do

Had to cut and paste the KB's since they didn't fit in my chat window. 9 kills, sadly there was 15 more people there and I was aggroed by guards so got rekt in the end. But totally worth it !

Noob!

Lool rekt xD .

How can you make your chat window so long oO.

Knootewoot

Master_Kas wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Didn't quite get 13, but got 9 yellows so it will do

Had to cut and paste the KB's since they didn't fit in my chat window. 9 kills, sadly there was 15 more people there and I was aggroed by guards so got rekt in the end. But totally worth it !

Noob!

Lool rekt xD .

How can you make your chat window so long oO.

On PC I can just pull the chatwindow's top all the way to the above part of the screen. I use it a lot when I missed important guildchat. When hovering around the top edge you can see a dual arrow cursor.

LegendaryChef

leepalmer95 wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Didn't quite get 13, but got 9 yellows so it will do

Had to cut and paste the KB's since they didn't fit in my chat window. 9 kills, sadly there was 15 more people there and I was aggroed by guards so got rekt in the end. But totally worth it !

Noob!

You the noob with your phone s/s

I sent on whatsapp then was too lazy remake it on PC + phone is Op

Master_Kas wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Didn't quite get 13, but got 9 yellows so it will do

Had to cut and paste the KB's since they didn't fit in my chat window. 9 kills, sadly there was 15 more people there and I was aggroed by guards so got rekt in the end. But totally worth it !

Noob!

Lool rekt xD .

How can you make your chat window so long oO.

I just extended it o.0

AbraXuSeXile

Got this 24 man zerk crap many times last night, forgot screenshot the best one though

Derra

I love the killing blow on summerchild. I guess he wasn´t prepared for winter.

Master_Kas

Knootewoot wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Didn't quite get 13, but got 9 yellows so it will do

Had to cut and paste the KB's since they didn't fit in my chat window. 9 kills, sadly there was 15 more people there and I was aggroed by guards so got rekt in the end. But totally worth it !

Noob!

Lool rekt xD .

How can you make your chat window so long oO.

On PC I can just pull the chatwindow's top all the way to the above part of the screen. I use it a lot when I missed important guildchat. When hovering around the top edge you can see a dual arrow cursor.

I've tried this both from the bottom and from the top, does'nt work for me, can maximum fit a few killingblows I cri

Psilent

Satiar wrote: »

reften wrote: »

I bet people went to the forums to complain about these balled up zergs too.

Alliance vs. Alliance. It's a war. Want a single player pvp game? Go play deathmatch on CoD.

OMG group works together and having tons of success!!! NO NO NO!!!

Ballzerg pls nerf Zeni pls

@Satiar had a blast fighting your group last night around Chalman Milegate. Them Phoenix sets are an excellent idea for surviving in this meta. I do have one request...

Stop tab-targeting me for meteors. 5 times I had Shooting Star from you hit me. Even when I was nowhere near anyone else and was like "Oh yeah, no meteors this time!" BAM meteor incoming "You blocked RP Nord Name that I can't remember how to spell correctly's shooting star...

Got 5 Phoenix reborn' shots on me in a death recap. Learned my lesson...

Great time fighting your group last night. Really enjoyed it. Now if ZOS can fix the lag and FPS drops, it would have been more epic.

leepalmer95

Psilent wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

reften wrote: »

I bet people went to the forums to complain about these balled up zergs too.

Alliance vs. Alliance. It's a war. Want a single player pvp game? Go play deathmatch on CoD.

OMG group works together and having tons of success!!! NO NO NO!!!

Ballzerg pls nerf Zeni pls

@Satiar had a blast fighting your group last night around Chalman Milegate. Them Phoenix sets are an excellent idea for surviving in this meta. I do have one request...

Stop tab-targeting me for meteors. 5 times I had Shooting Star from you hit me. Even when I was nowhere near anyone else and was like "Oh yeah, no meteors this time!" BAM meteor incoming "You blocked RP Nord Name that I can't remember how to spell correctly's shooting star...

Got 5 Phoenix reborn' shots on me in a death recap. Learned my lesson...

Great time fighting your group last night. Really enjoyed it. Now if ZOS can fix the lag and FPS drops, it would have been more epic.

Reflect is.

Oh wait. Nevermind just stand there and die thats all you can now do.

Zheg

Psilent wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

reften wrote: »

I bet people went to the forums to complain about these balled up zergs too.

Alliance vs. Alliance. It's a war. Want a single player pvp game? Go play deathmatch on CoD.

OMG group works together and having tons of success!!! NO NO NO!!!

Ballzerg pls nerf Zeni pls

@Satiar had a blast fighting your group last night around Chalman Milegate. Them Phoenix sets are an excellent idea for surviving in this meta. I do have one request...

Stop tab-targeting me for meteors. 5 times I had Shooting Star from you hit me. Even when I was nowhere near anyone else and was like "Oh yeah, no meteors this time!" BAM meteor incoming "You blocked RP Nord Name that I can't remember how to spell correctly's shooting star...

Got 5 Phoenix reborn' shots on me in a death recap. Learned my lesson...

Great time fighting your group last night. Really enjoyed it. Now if ZOS can fix the lag and FPS drops, it would have been more epic.

I shall share the secret pronunciation of his fake nord name if you whisper me in game so I don't get banned on the forums

On a side note, I'm going to have to have words with Steve about not sharing his tab targeting secrets. Want to use a ranged ability? Face your target, tab target them, and then hit the dwemer pet 10 meters to the right because #ZOScoding -_-

Reevster

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Well organized groups (you call them Zergs) will never stop, just adjust. We're already figuring that out. Much of it is moving quickly, don't stand in one spot, use block more often, get impen. etc etc, we'll figure it out.

What we've now created is a way for the elite to solo groups of 20 on their own with suicide bombs.

Again, the well organized groups (5% of the player base) will adjust and be fine. The elite solo'er (0.1% of the population) will now bomb spots of natural choke points that just happens to have a lot of players.

The remaining 95%? They're goi8ng to die faster than ever in PvP now.

How is this good for the game?

Every time a zerg buster ability is added to the game....all it does it make the game worse for 95% of the population.

Luckily, I run with a well organized group.

They will then follow it up with "spread out" as they're intentionally waiting inside a choke point where you can't spread out. "Spread out" on the flag you can't actually spread out on guys, because, it sounds cool and makes me look like an ESO hipster saying it. When @Sypher does this on an open field, then yes, 'spread out' has merit, but you've only been capable of doing this in condensed chokes where you can't spread out, which was what players said over and over again in criticism of the balance of the set, but were told we don't know what we're talking about and just zergling baddies. Soooo, you're going to be doing this in the open Nikel field next right? No? Hmm, wonder why not?

Most of the organized pvp groups already came up with strats to counter this, you'll catch some off-guard or low on resources occasionally, but these vids will typically be about wiping players that aren't in groups, which, /golfclap xD ... dat wrobel balance where the game gets turned into an aoe FPS instead of having aoe caps addressed... lulz. FYI, most of the organized pvp groups will be outfitted in this as well, so GG, now we get to run cookie cutter builds and the meta is about who gets their ult off first. I'll be running this and fasalla's on my toons, but, I'm just honest enough to admit poor balance when I see it.

I mean - we talked about this set and AOE caps on We Are ESO... Sypher even agreed that he would rather have things like dynamic ult gen than this set.


This isnt the solution people wanted. But its a lot better than 30 idiots being completely invulnerable to a couple guys due to the fact those idiots are standing close to each other.

So if 1 or 2 players cant solo 30 players you think PvP is broken, I think this is whats wrong with PvP , the attitude that they should win 100 percent of the time no matter how many players the take on. Think about that for min, you really think you should be able to kill 30 players? If you can then its definitely broken.

_Chaos

Zheg wrote: »

I shall share the secret pronunciation of his fake nord name if you whisper me in game so I don't get banned on the forums

Hint:

Lava_Croft

Zheg wrote: »

On a side note, I'm going to have to have words with Steve about not sharing his tab targeting secrets. Want to use a ranged ability? Face your target, tab target them, and then hit the dwemer pet 10 meters to the right because #ZOScoding -_-

TAB target, Lotus Fan, where the *** did I end up???

ToRelax

Reevster wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Well organized groups (you call them Zergs) will never stop, just adjust. We're already figuring that out. Much of it is moving quickly, don't stand in one spot, use block more often, get impen. etc etc, we'll figure it out.

What we've now created is a way for the elite to solo groups of 20 on their own with suicide bombs.

Again, the well organized groups (5% of the player base) will adjust and be fine. The elite solo'er (0.1% of the population) will now bomb spots of natural choke points that just happens to have a lot of players.

The remaining 95%? They're goi8ng to die faster than ever in PvP now.

How is this good for the game?

Every time a zerg buster ability is added to the game....all it does it make the game worse for 95% of the population.

Luckily, I run with a well organized group.

They will then follow it up with "spread out" as they're intentionally waiting inside a choke point where you can't spread out. "Spread out" on the flag you can't actually spread out on guys, because, it sounds cool and makes me look like an ESO hipster saying it. When @Sypher does this on an open field, then yes, 'spread out' has merit, but you've only been capable of doing this in condensed chokes where you can't spread out, which was what players said over and over again in criticism of the balance of the set, but were told we don't know what we're talking about and just zergling baddies. Soooo, you're going to be doing this in the open Nikel field next right? No? Hmm, wonder why not?

Most of the organized pvp groups already came up with strats to counter this, you'll catch some off-guard or low on resources occasionally, but these vids will typically be about wiping players that aren't in groups, which, /golfclap xD ... dat wrobel balance where the game gets turned into an aoe FPS instead of having aoe caps addressed... lulz. FYI, most of the organized pvp groups will be outfitted in this as well, so GG, now we get to run cookie cutter builds and the meta is about who gets their ult off first. I'll be running this and fasalla's on my toons, but, I'm just honest enough to admit poor balance when I see it.

I mean - we talked about this set and AOE caps on We Are ESO... Sypher even agreed that he would rather have things like dynamic ult gen than this set.


This isnt the solution people wanted. But its a lot better than 30 idiots being completely invulnerable to a couple guys due to the fact those idiots are standing close to each other.

So if 1 or 2 players cant solo 30 players you think PvP is broken, I think this is whats wrong with PvP , the attitude that they should win 100 percent of the time no matter how many players the take on. Think about that for min, you really think you should be able to kill 30 players? If you can then its definitely broken.

It's the other way around... some players think they should not wipe against inferior numbers however bad they play.

Derra

Reevster wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Well organized groups (you call them Zergs) will never stop, just adjust. We're already figuring that out. Much of it is moving quickly, don't stand in one spot, use block more often, get impen. etc etc, we'll figure it out.

What we've now created is a way for the elite to solo groups of 20 on their own with suicide bombs.

Again, the well organized groups (5% of the player base) will adjust and be fine. The elite solo'er (0.1% of the population) will now bomb spots of natural choke points that just happens to have a lot of players.

The remaining 95%? They're goi8ng to die faster than ever in PvP now.

How is this good for the game?

Every time a zerg buster ability is added to the game....all it does it make the game worse for 95% of the population.

Luckily, I run with a well organized group.

They will then follow it up with "spread out" as they're intentionally waiting inside a choke point where you can't spread out. "Spread out" on the flag you can't actually spread out on guys, because, it sounds cool and makes me look like an ESO hipster saying it. When @Sypher does this on an open field, then yes, 'spread out' has merit, but you've only been capable of doing this in condensed chokes where you can't spread out, which was what players said over and over again in criticism of the balance of the set, but were told we don't know what we're talking about and just zergling baddies. Soooo, you're going to be doing this in the open Nikel field next right? No? Hmm, wonder why not?

Most of the organized pvp groups already came up with strats to counter this, you'll catch some off-guard or low on resources occasionally, but these vids will typically be about wiping players that aren't in groups, which, /golfclap xD ... dat wrobel balance where the game gets turned into an aoe FPS instead of having aoe caps addressed... lulz. FYI, most of the organized pvp groups will be outfitted in this as well, so GG, now we get to run cookie cutter builds and the meta is about who gets their ult off first. I'll be running this and fasalla's on my toons, but, I'm just honest enough to admit poor balance when I see it.

I mean - we talked about this set and AOE caps on We Are ESO... Sypher even agreed that he would rather have things like dynamic ult gen than this set.


This isnt the solution people wanted. But its a lot better than 30 idiots being completely invulnerable to a couple guys due to the fact those idiots are standing close to each other.

So if 1 or 2 players cant solo 30 players you think PvP is broken, I think this is whats wrong with PvP , the attitude that they should win 100 percent of the time no matter how many players the take on. Think about that for min, you really think you should be able to kill 30 players? If you can then its definitely broken.

If 30 ppl run mindless into a mashingun they should die.
Aoe caps prevent ppl doing stupid things from facing the consequences

kuro-dono

Eso pvp communitys elites are ridiculous folks. Most selfish i have ever known.

as in> FUN belongs to them only. and all base belong to them. all ap belong to them. no ap for you no fun for you.

Knootewoot

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

I shall share the secret pronunciation of his fake nord name if you whisper me in game so I don't get banned on the forums

Hint:

Assvulture?

Knootewoot

Master_Kas wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Didn't quite get 13, but got 9 yellows so it will do

Had to cut and paste the KB's since they didn't fit in my chat window. 9 kills, sadly there was 15 more people there and I was aggroed by guards so got rekt in the end. But totally worth it !

Noob!

Lool rekt xD .

How can you make your chat window so long oO.

On PC I can just pull the chatwindow's top all the way to the above part of the screen. I use it a lot when I missed important guildchat. When hovering around the top edge you can see a dual arrow cursor.

I've tried this both from the bottom and from the top, does'nt work for me, can maximum fit a few killingblows I cri

I look into it when I come home. I am pretty sure I can drag it all the way to top. If I am mistaken I will let ya know.

Zheg

Knootewoot wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

I shall share the secret pronunciation of his fake nord name if you whisper me in game so I don't get banned on the forums

Hint:

Assvulture?

No birds allowed. Our dear leader whom is lovingly referred to as B**** Chicken gets territorial.

Etaniel

kuro-dono wrote: »

Eso pvp communitys elites are ridiculous folks. Most selfish i have ever known.

as in> FUN belongs to them only. and all base belong to them. all ap belong to them. no ap for you no fun for you.

Tell me what is ridiculous and elitist about what Derra said :

Derra wrote: »

Reevster wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

reften wrote: »

Well organized groups (you call them Zergs) will never stop, just adjust. We're already figuring that out. Much of it is moving quickly, don't stand in one spot, use block more often, get impen. etc etc, we'll figure it out.

What we've now created is a way for the elite to solo groups of 20 on their own with suicide bombs.

Again, the well organized groups (5% of the player base) will adjust and be fine. The elite solo'er (0.1% of the population) will now bomb spots of natural choke points that just happens to have a lot of players.

The remaining 95%? They're goi8ng to die faster than ever in PvP now.

How is this good for the game?

Every time a zerg buster ability is added to the game....all it does it make the game worse for 95% of the population.

Luckily, I run with a well organized group.

They will then follow it up with "spread out" as they're intentionally waiting inside a choke point where you can't spread out. "Spread out" on the flag you can't actually spread out on guys, because, it sounds cool and makes me look like an ESO hipster saying it. When @Sypher does this on an open field, then yes, 'spread out' has merit, but you've only been capable of doing this in condensed chokes where you can't spread out, which was what players said over and over again in criticism of the balance of the set, but were told we don't know what we're talking about and just zergling baddies. Soooo, you're going to be doing this in the open Nikel field next right? No? Hmm, wonder why not?

Most of the organized pvp groups already came up with strats to counter this, you'll catch some off-guard or low on resources occasionally, but these vids will typically be about wiping players that aren't in groups, which, /golfclap xD ... dat wrobel balance where the game gets turned into an aoe FPS instead of having aoe caps addressed... lulz. FYI, most of the organized pvp groups will be outfitted in this as well, so GG, now we get to run cookie cutter builds and the meta is about who gets their ult off first. I'll be running this and fasalla's on my toons, but, I'm just honest enough to admit poor balance when I see it.

I mean - we talked about this set and AOE caps on We Are ESO... Sypher even agreed that he would rather have things like dynamic ult gen than this set.


This isnt the solution people wanted. But its a lot better than 30 idiots being completely invulnerable to a couple guys due to the fact those idiots are standing close to each other.

So if 1 or 2 players cant solo 30 players you think PvP is broken, I think this is whats wrong with PvP , the attitude that they should win 100 percent of the time no matter how many players the take on. Think about that for min, you really think you should be able to kill 30 players? If you can then its definitely broken.

If 30 ppl run mindless into a mashingun they should die.
Aoe caps prevent ppl doing stupid things from facing the consequences

kuro-dono

Doh. 30 people running into location with lots of sieges going and they die. ofc they deserve to die. 30 people unable to kill 5 ppl no matter how much they use skills to kill them and nothing happen except the 30 ppl died. not so much deserved to die

This is funny how suddenly machine gun reference is okay but not having grenade thrown among 30 ppl which only 10-20
died.

you should yourself already notice what kind of joke elites are? they should all just go play BDO or another game where they can farm another games casuals until they all get bored of broken skills/mechanics and cheese + forum popcorn.

the amount of cheese we get in this game is glorious! Too bad people have lost sense of reality and common sense.