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Radiant Destruction
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PainfulFAFA✭✭✭✭✭
✭PainfulFAFA wrote: »Nightenhowl wrote: »I guess dodge rolling so much left you without any stamina to heal up, fancy that.
Nah I hardly ever run out of stam. good try tho
I guarantee you that Magplar who hit you for 22k will have not have enough stam to fight back after your 2nd or 3rd cc while you ram him over with wrecking blow and jabs and roll around w/o worrying about stam management as much as a magplar.
If your hp is low many stam build will do the roll around and heal up manuever. Before this patch that actually worked since you could avoid all dmg completely. If your hp is low (<20%) and you get caught with a jesus beam while you try to roll around and heal, its gonna HURT, especially when your armor is cut in half.. Only a big burst heal from rally with a vigor follow up will help.
Or... los it with anything
or interrupt...
I believe you can also purge off all harmful effects too with purify...?
You are correct. Kinda difficult to do when you have 5+ people on you tho. I was out of mag to purify it because i purified numerous radiants before that one. I am changing my build around some for better mana management now that restoring focus is very viable and im clearing going to need to purify ALOT more with radiant now being un dodgeable. It was a lesson learned
I use 5 heavy, 2 DW with nirn and 3k spell pen from CP and my jesus beams still hurts but not to the point that i get 22k. I think the most i saw was a 15k? I cant remember, but ill be sure to pay more attention later tonight.
A magplar pulling those numbers is probably a light armor glass cannon. Very squishy but very dangerous if he catches you with darkflare + jesus beam combo0 -
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Yea I walked in with my magnus set and regen Jewels; 1500 magicka regen base but less than 30k max mag. You can use drinks but you lose so much health, and I'd imagine a coordinated effort between stats, gear, and abilities is required.
Overall I'm expecting very interesting gameplay. I hope more players join!Edited by Minno on March 9, 2016 7:54PMMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »That didn't take long...
Templars don't really have much....its ok for Nightblades to spam Surprise Attack faceroll DPS, but heaven forbid a Templar gets an execute that actually ya know...kills people....just saying...
Has anyone ever seen a Templar spam jabs?
I know NB haters will always be haters, but you guys act like you never seen a templar spam before.
it goes something like this :
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I'm not a nightblade hater I have a baby blade actually
With Templars though what more do they really have other then jabs jabs jabs..it's not like Templars have many options these days especially compared to nightblades. Any options Templars do have are nerfed . They really should just call Templars nerfplars because every average ability they ever had was nerfed into the ground. Blinding Flashes was removed from the game, just imagine if Cloak, Streak, or Scales was ever just taken out of the game completely...that's what happened to TemplarsRinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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✭✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »vamp_emily wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »That didn't take long...
Templars don't really have much....its ok for Nightblades to spam Surprise Attack faceroll DPS, but heaven forbid a Templar gets an execute that actually ya know...kills people....just saying...
Has anyone ever seen a Templar spam jabs?
I know NB haters will always be haters, but you guys act like you never seen a templar spam before.
it goes something like this :
jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab
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jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab jab
I'm not a nightblade hater I have a baby blade actually
With Templars though what more do they really have other then jabs jabs jabs..it's not like Templars have many options these days especially compared to nightblades. Any options Templars do have are nerfed . They really should just call Templars nerfplars because every average ability they ever had was nerfed into the ground. Blinding Flashes was removed from the game, just imagine if Cloak, Streak, or Scales was ever just taken out of the game completely...that's what happened to Templars
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Waylander✭✭✭✭Radiant is hitting a lot harder. It's like battle spirit is not applying to it. It was on 90% of my death recaps in 4 hours of AvA last night.
It is like the start of 1.6 with groups of templars radianting targets from 100% all over the place.
I even got on my templar to test it out in AvA. Hit Vyr Cor who was at 100% health for 1 tick and took 20% of his health off. Single ticks were critting upwards of 15k regularly and I am an imperial (so not as glass cannon as a high elf could be).Nocturnal - AD Oceanic PvP Guild
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maxjapank✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Radiant is hitting a lot harder. It's like battle spirit is not applying to it. It was on 90% of my death recaps in 4 hours of AvA last night.
It is like the start of 1.6 with groups of templars radianting targets from 100% all over the place.
I even got on my templar to test it out in AvA. Hit Vyr Cor who was at 100% health for 1 tick and took 20% of his health off. Single ticks were critting upwards of 15k regularly and I am an imperial (so not as glass cannon as a high elf could be).
I don't think Radiant is hitting any harder than it always has. But noone has used it in some time because it was dodgeable. And before that, it was getting shrugged off by Nirn armor. Now, that it is viable, you will definately see it more in your death recaps.
I think I died 2-3 times with Radiant in my death recap. But all of those times, there were numerous other spells in my recap and their were many players hitting on me at the same time. So it wasn't really Radiant that killed me.
Regardless, I'm sure that Zos is taking a look at the numbers to double check. But just know that if my 15k+ tick hits you while you are at 3-5k health, every other Execute in the game is gonna kill you as well. And I'm not really hitting you for 15k, I'm hitting you for the rest of your health...the 3-5k.0 -
MormondPayne_EP✭✭✭✭PainfulFAFA wrote: »Nightenhowl wrote: »I guess dodge rolling so much left you without any stamina to heal up, fancy that.
Nah I hardly ever run out of stam. good try tho
I guarantee you that Magplar who hit you for 22k will have not have enough stam to fight back after your 2nd or 3rd cc while you ram him over with wrecking blow and jabs and roll around w/o worrying about stam management as much as a magplar.
If your hp is low many stam build will do the roll around and heal up manuever. Before this patch that actually worked since you could avoid all dmg completely. If your hp is low (<20%) and you get caught with a jesus beam while you try to roll around and heal, its gonna HURT, especially when your armor is cut in half.. Only a big burst heal from rally with a vigor follow up will help.
Or... los it with anything
or interrupt...
I believe you can also purge off all harmful effects too with purify...?
You are correct. Kinda difficult to do when you have 5+ people on you tho. I was out of mag to purify it because i purified numerous radiants before that one. I am changing my build around some for better mana management now that restoring focus is very viable and im clearing going to need to purify ALOT more with radiant now being un dodgeable. It was a lesson learned
Then shut the efff up because you made a stupid post saying that RD hits too hard when you were being attacked by 5+ people and then got hit with an excute along with every other debuff and everything else hitting you.
Can you see why people are pissed at this dumb post?
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Lyar09✭✭✭✭✭MormondPayne_EP wrote: »PainfulFAFA wrote: »Nightenhowl wrote: »I guess dodge rolling so much left you without any stamina to heal up, fancy that.
Nah I hardly ever run out of stam. good try tho
I guarantee you that Magplar who hit you for 22k will have not have enough stam to fight back after your 2nd or 3rd cc while you ram him over with wrecking blow and jabs and roll around w/o worrying about stam management as much as a magplar.
If your hp is low many stam build will do the roll around and heal up manuever. Before this patch that actually worked since you could avoid all dmg completely. If your hp is low (<20%) and you get caught with a jesus beam while you try to roll around and heal, its gonna HURT, especially when your armor is cut in half.. Only a big burst heal from rally with a vigor follow up will help.
Or... los it with anything
or interrupt...
I believe you can also purge off all harmful effects too with purify...?
You are correct. Kinda difficult to do when you have 5+ people on you tho. I was out of mag to purify it because i purified numerous radiants before that one. I am changing my build around some for better mana management now that restoring focus is very viable and im clearing going to need to purify ALOT more with radiant now being un dodgeable. It was a lesson learned
Then shut the efff up because you made a stupid post saying that RD hits too hard when you were being attacked by 5+ people and then got hit with an excute along with every other debuff and everything else hitting you.
Can you see why people are pissed at this dumb post?
Have you read what I said earlier today? For one, calm down, its not that serious. Two, I said that radiant shouldn't hit that hard and be undodgeable at the same time. There is no other execute in the game that hits that hard and is undodgeable. If you think the skill is justified then good for you. I see it as a little unbalanced and I, just like you, have the right to an opinion.PC/NA | twitch.tv/ohhlyar | youtube.com/lyaryt1 -
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We are glad to see that everyone is exchanging their experiences with Radiant Destruction. As we see that this conversation is going back and forth, and getting a little heated here and there, we would like to kindly request that this thread be kept civil and constructive. Thank you all in advanced.The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited - ZeniMax Online Studios
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✭ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »Greetings all,
We are glad to see that everyone is exchanging their experiences with Radiant Destruction. As we see that this conversation is going back and forth, and getting a little heated here and there, we would like to kindly request that this thread be kept civil and constructive. Thank you all in advanced.
This thread is what we call a templar tantrum, amiright?10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭bikerangelo wrote: »ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »Greetings all,
We are glad to see that everyone is exchanging their experiences with Radiant Destruction. As we see that this conversation is going back and forth, and getting a little heated here and there, we would like to kindly request that this thread be kept civil and constructive. Thank you all in advanced.
This thread is what we call a templar tantrum, amiright?
Nice T.T.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Tomato✭✭✭✭This is the new spambush easy button. Don't you want your class actually worked on and have abilities work as intended vs how much damage people are getting hit for?
At least Blaba and Lyar are not scared to admit it's hitting way to hard and is not dodgeable.2 -
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✭✭✭✭I dont know. I just spent some time watching sypher stream. He spent a fair amount of time 1vs2 against a sorc And a templar. Him being a sorc himself. Everytime the templar hit radiant I got all wet and was like oh yeah he is going to eat it now... thing never did more then 25% of the health of his shield.
If it is suppose to be the easy button it sure Is a crappy one.4 -
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✭✭This is the new spambush easy button. Don't you want your class actually worked on and have abilities work as intended vs how much damage people are getting hit for?
At least Blaba and Lyar are not scared to admit it's hitting way to hard and is not dodgeable.
It's not supposed to be dodgeable. If it was, then noone would use it again. It would be another useless spell in pvp, just as it was for the last 6 months. I could live with the damage being toned down a bit. But your mistake is that you are looking at a 15-17k tick that hit you when you were at 3-5k health. It's not hitting you for 15k+. It's hitting you for the rest of your health, the 3-5k health you have left...which every Execute in the game would hit you for.
So quit focusing on your recap and understand the facts. Even Blaba has admitted that his video was an extreme example. HIs 17k tick happened after his Proxy took the enemy down to under 450 health. Under 450. And at that percent, our Radiant is getting the full damage applied. But at 450 health, I could light attack you with my bare hands and still get the kill.6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »I dont know. I just spent some time watching sypher stream. He spent a fair amount of time 1vs2 against a sorc And a templar. Him being a sorc himself. Everytime the templar hit radiant I got all wet and was like oh yeah he is going to eat it now... thing never did more then 25% of the health of his shield.
If it is suppose to be the easy button it sure Is a crappy one.
Shields don't let abilities crit. Might be higher on a naked person.
On non CP server, you don't get +25% to magic, elemental dmg. So that's easily 6k tooltip dmg removed.
But if they do balance this skill, again, they need to fix the other skills. Then ZOS H.R. needs to look at the time sheets and give a stern warning regarding wasting billable hours on tasks already completed...Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »I dont know. I just spent some time watching sypher stream. He spent a fair amount of time 1vs2 against a sorc And a templar. Him being a sorc himself. Everytime the templar hit radiant I got all wet and was like oh yeah he is going to eat it now... thing never did more then 25% of the health of his shield.
If it is suppose to be the easy button it sure Is a crappy one.
Shields don't let abilities crit. Might be higher on a naked person.
On non CP server, you don't get +25% to magic, elemental dmg. So that's easily 6k tooltip dmg removed.
But if they do balance this skill, again, they need to fix the other skills. Then ZOS H.R. needs to look at the time sheets and give a stern warning regarding wasting billable hours on tasks already completed...
Come on now you are bursting my bubble. I mostly just thought it was funny all the people posting that even the non execute damage is to high. Then watching someone completely ignore the fact that radiant was even getting cast.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭i swear to *** god if you pvpers get this skill nerfed for no reason because you get hit at 1% health, just stop it already. nothing has been changed apart from being able to get execute damage when multiple use the skill on a target (mainly for pve),
and the cp changes which dont really do much for it other than making it a dps ability, oh and you cant roll dodge it
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✭This thread is a joke to be honest lol every good skill Templars have gets complained about, relax. Someone is even complaining about sweeps, are you serious?3 -
Dread_Guy✭✭✭✭✭@CatchMeTrolling I think I heard someone complain about Repentance once. Dark Times, man. Dark Times..."My name is Julius Decimus Heraclius, Guildmaster of the Scions of the Sun, Brigadier of the Covenant Army, loyal servant to the High King Emeric. Brother to a betrayed legion, son to a fallen empire. And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next." ---Julius Decimus Heraclius (Imperial Templar)0 -
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✭✭✭✭Dread_Knight_N7 wrote: »@CatchMeTrolling I think I heard someone complain about Repentance once. Dark Times, man. Dark Times...
There is literally a purifing light complaint thread purely because some guy died to it once~~~>http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/252157/purifying-light-the-skill-that-bypasses-cyrodiil-damage-reductionvyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »I dont know. I just spent some time watching sypher stream. He spent a fair amount of time 1vs2 against a sorc And a templar. Him being a sorc himself. Everytime the templar hit radiant I got all wet and was like oh yeah he is going to eat it now... thing never did more then 25% of the health of his shield.
If it is suppose to be the easy button it sure Is a crappy one.
It is extremely effective against people that protect their glass cannon build behind dodge rolls and evasion. It's not so great against everyone else. It is definitely a hard counter to dodge roll spam builds that want to get down to 15% health and then dodge roll+vigor around a tree to get health back.Edited by timidobserver on March 10, 2016 8:12AMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭✭✭✭✭1.6 radiant is back ZOS. This was 1 tick when i was at 40% health. Jesus beam is hitting waaaaaaaaay too hard. I dont understand how you fixed the ability in 1.7 and tweaked it for this update. Magicka templars are literally opening up with radiant destruction again. So sad
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It clearly was NOT one tick. If it was you´d have about 60k+ health because the ability killing you was puncture after you took 22k dmg of radiant destruction.
Please don´t pester the forums with biased half-truth - not going as far as calling outright bs.
Animations being bugged and the beam and other projectiles not showing is a whole different topic.<Noricum>
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✭✭✭✭✭My experience with this is basicly:
Its op, mostly because you can be fighting 2-3 people, you feel you have control, then suddenly, from about 40% hp you die in an instant, you dont even see what happened but on deathcap you see anything from 8k to 15k radiant destruction. Now this may be an animation issue where you dont see it happening to you, wich then makes it another issue then the actual ability itself. But one issue I do have with the ability itself is its range and mechanic being undodgeable and unblockable.
Impale from NB is blockable and dodgeable and the stamina morph has a short range.
Endless Fury from sorc is blockable and dodgeable and if blocked, the executioner explotion does not even happen even if target is at 19% hp or less.(not tested post TG patch)
Executioner from weapon skill is melee range, blockable and dodgeable.
The fact that a templar (when youre fighting more then one players) can stand at max range keeping this laser pretty much on you permanently and if and when you take a bit of a hit to your hp, this will most likely end in killing you and the deathcap will show a sick amount of dmg from it, even if the executiner part of the dmg was like 8-15k. I get that zos probably want to keep templar having a unique role on the field of battle as executiners, but this ability is stupid, if every executioner worked much like this, ppl would always die at 30-40% hp. It needs reworked.
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✭✭Its a ranged execute that can't be dodged -- only purged. If it did 3-5k/tick it might be reasonable. But its ticking 10k+ on players. People are seriously arguing this isn't OP?
Blah blah blah stacking Thaum + elemental expert. I get it. So change the damage coef on the skill. Or re-work it.3 -
Lyar09✭✭✭✭✭1.6 radiant is back ZOS. This was 1 tick when i was at 40% health. Jesus beam is hitting waaaaaaaaay too hard. I dont understand how you fixed the ability in 1.7 and tweaked it for this update. Magicka templars are literally opening up with radiant destruction again. So sad
http://prnt.sc/acxc9s
It clearly was NOT one tick. If it was you´d have about 60k+ health because the ability killing you was puncture after you took 22k dmg of radiant destruction.
Please don´t pester the forums with biased half-truth - not going as far as calling outright bs.
Animations being bugged and the beam and other projectiles not showing is a whole different topic.
You should really try reading the entire thread instead of just the original postPC/NA | twitch.tv/ohhlyar | youtube.com/lyaryt1
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