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Katahdin wrote: »

Tanks became extinct with the changes to stamina (I forget which update).

^ Only for players that don't know how to manage their resources.

Stamina regen is fine. Use heavy attacks, potions, whatever. Be an Argonian, I don't know.... but there's more to it than just "I'm a magicka tank, therefore my stamina must suck and I should be able to regen stamina while performing activities that consume stamina, herp a derp".

lol I've got 2 magicka tanks (a Templar and a Dragonknight - I've mostly neglected the tanking on my DK until recently because he's DC and I'm usually tanking with guildies on AD characters - the changes in being able to invite cross-faction mean that he's now coming out to play more). Both of them are far more likely to run into issues with magicka resource management than with stamina resource management... Of course, both of them are magicka builds on races that are generally seen more as stamina races (the magicka Templar is a Redguard, and the magicka Dragonknight is an Imperial), and I use all gold tri-stat enchants on all of their gear, and use purple tri-stat food while tanking, so they've got good pools of resources for all 3 stats.

Yeah. I have a (mostly) magicka based Argonian DK tank. I use sword + board on both slots and yet I only have one stamina-based skill (pierce armor). I'm only VR9 right now, but so far I've had no trouble tanking any of the vet dungeons at VR16. If anyone were to analyze my stat distribution and glyph choices, they'd probably have an aneurysm, but IDGAF - it works for me. I don't have the DPS that I probably could have, but that's not why I'm added to groups in the first place...

I use +hp/+stam food (because I'm too cheap to use tri-stat food, and my magicka pool rarely runs out anyway). I brew my own tri-pots and my Argonian passives take care of the rest.

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UrQuan wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Tanks became extinct with the changes to stamina (I forget which update).

^ Only for players that don't know how to manage their resources.

Stamina regen is fine. Use heavy attacks, potions, whatever. Be an Argonian, I don't know.... but there's more to it than just "I'm a magicka tank, therefore my stamina must suck and I should be able to regen stamina while performing activities that consume stamina, herp a derp".

lol I've got 2 magicka tanks (a Templar and a Dragonknight - I've mostly neglected the tanking on my DK until recently because he's DC and I'm usually tanking with guildies on AD characters - the changes in being able to invite cross-faction mean that he's now coming out to play more). Both of them are far more likely to run into issues with magicka resource management than with stamina resource management... Of course, both of them are magicka builds on races that are generally seen more as stamina races (the magicka Templar is a Redguard, and the magicka Dragonknight is an Imperial), and I use all gold tri-stat enchants on all of their gear, and use purple tri-stat food while tanking, so they've got good pools of resources for all 3 stats.

Yeah. I have a (mostly) magicka based Argonian DK tank. I use sword + board on both slots and yet I only have one stamina-based skill (pierce armor). I'm only VR9 right now, but so far I've had no trouble tanking any of the vet dungeons at VR16. If anyone were to analyze my stat distribution and glyph choices, they'd probably have an aneurysm, but IDGAF - it works for me. I don't have the DPS that I probably could have, but that's not why I'm added to groups in the first place...

I use +hp/+stam food (because I'm too cheap to use tri-stat food, and my magicka pool rarely runs out anyway). I brew my own tri-pots and my Argonian passives take care of the rest.

The bottom line for a tank is to find the stat distribution/skill bar setup that works for you. There's more than one way to play a tank successfully, so as long as you can succeed in the content your way without being a handicap to your group, that's what matters. Just for reference, here's a pretty recent screenshot of my Templar tank's stats in his tanking setup (note that I swap between tank setup, healer setup, and DPS setup with him by swapping gear and skill bars - in his tank setup he uses 5 heavy, 1 medium, 1 light and sword & board on both bars).

MissBizz wrote: »

And don't forget that one other time someone else pulled the boss!

it wasn't me

UrQuan wrote: »

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Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

Me; Why do you keep kicking me from group finder?!

Guy: You're a nightblade tank you noob.

Me: just let me play man, kick me if I drag the team down.

*finished vet fungal grotto without dying*

Three friend requests followed.

One of the better tanks on my friends list is a Nightblade magicka sap-tank. I really need to ask her about her setup - one of these days I'd like to try out a Nightblade tank. So far I've only tanked as a Templar (where I've done most of my tanking) and a Dragonknight. I'm pretty sure I could tank pretty easily on a Sorcerer by shield-stacking (I could be wrong as I haven't actually tried, but it seems reasonable to me), but it seems to me like tanking on a Nightblade requires more careful consideration to what skills to use/slot and just generally how to do your build.

Hmm, I don't like to quote myself but...

zmobie_dementor wrote: »

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MissBizz wrote: »

And don't forget that one other time someone else pulled the boss!

it wasn't me

Hey! @zmobie_dementor! I see you there! What does your Nightblade tank setup look like?

Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

Me; Why do you keep kicking me from group finder?!

Guy: You're a nightblade tank you noob.

Me: just let me play man, kick me if I drag the team down.

*finished vet fungal grotto without dying*

Three friend requests followed.

Lol I had the same a couple of times. But I didnt ask to give me a chance - as a tank its not hard to find another group, I just told them they know nothing about the game and left.
99% of smartypants that judge you by your class are not worth playing with anyway...

UrQuan wrote: »

Hey! @zmobie_dementor! I see you there! What does your Nightblade tank setup look like?

I've tried a number of set-ups with various degrees of success; right now I'm trying 5x Armour Master, 2x Bloodspawn, 2x Footman's, 3x Healthy Willpower - I don't hate it but I think I'm gonna swap out the 2x Footman's with something that gives me some extra resist or even stamina rather than health because I don't think this will work in vICP (haven't tried yet, since the patch -- I was fine in vWGT, but that dungeon doesn't have the Overfiend or Ibomez's flesh atronachs). I use Harness Magicka to proc Armour Master. Enchants are all health on armour, jewelry is one shield-play, two spell power. I also want to try swapping Armour Master for heavy reinforced Kagrenac's Hope.

My trials setup is 5x Armour Master, 5x Footman's, 2x Bloodspawn or Engine Guardian. I really want to try Lord Warden but he just refuses to give me his hat. In veteran Maw of Lorkhaj I think I want to run reinforced Hist Bark over Armour Master just so I don't have to keep casting Double Take in trash pulls as they get pretty hectic. (I could run all the normal content in Trials mode of course but I like being able to have reliable self-healing + a bit of damage in case I'm in a PUG.) Enchants are all health and shield-play for jewelry.

Attributes-wise, I stack everything in Magicka for regular vet content (including ICP/WGT/DSA) but for trials I distribute it so I have 30K health, 20K Stam, and 20K magicka. Mundus stone is Atronach for regular vet dungeons, Lover or Lady for trials, depending on which of my resistances is not quite past cap when fully buffed.

My bars are brand-new right now due to the SA+Caltrops nerf, I'm not 100% sure about them yet:
[1] Pierce Armour | Funnel Health | Harness Magicka | Sap Essence | Dark Shades | Aggressive Horn
[2] Inner Fire | flex | Harness Magicka | Refreshing Path | Siphoning Attacks | Bolstering Darkness

The flex slot has either Impale (for bosses) or Double Take (for trash pulls). In Trials, I have Defensive Stance on the front bar in place of Sap Essence and Double Take on the back.

I think that about covers it, let me know if you need to know anything else.

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Katahdin wrote: »

Tanks became extinct with the changes to stamina (I forget which update).

It didn't stop me from tanking - or even change my tanking style at all. Tanks who perma-blocked may have quit tanking. Tanks who only blocked when it was actually important to block barely noticed the change.

I also have a V16 dk I have tanked on. Doesn't change the fact that after the stam changes, whether justified or not tanks have become harder to find.

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UrQuan wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Tanks became extinct with the changes to stamina (I forget which update).

It didn't stop me from tanking - or even change my tanking style at all. Tanks who perma-blocked may have quit tanking. Tanks who only blocked when it was actually important to block barely noticed the change.

I also have a V16 dk I have tanked on. Doesn't change the fact that after the stam changes, whether justified or not tanks have become harder to find.

That's why I said that perma-blocking tanks may have quit tanking, and why in other posts here I've said that I'd like to see changes made not for my own benefit (I don't need it, and it's unlikely to change my tanking playstyle), but to encourage more people to tank.

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KoshkaMurka wrote: »

I really like tanking, but I have other characters as well since my tank is not really suited for questing/vMA/pvp.
Also, there's another issue. I taunt all the mobs, can buff the group and sustain my resources, I never have issues with inhibitor's portals and stuff like this, but... I cant do anything if the group is bad (well, except standing in a group of mobs watching them scratching my shield) So pugging on a tank is quite risky considering how many people join as "dds" just because thay cant tank or heal, even though they cant do damage as well.
Those 2 issues are the reason why there's not enough tanks imo.

Hence point #6... If I get too many more groups where I have to carry them on my shoulders...

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ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

5. Add an AoE taunt.

Please, no. Prioritizing and controlling threats a big part of tanking skill. Otherwise you are just a turtle with a taunt.

Even with an AoE taunt you would still need to know when to use it. You can't just taunt the world and block in ESO or you will get chewed up very quickly.

if ZOS makes an AOE taunt is stop tanking period

UrQuan wrote: »

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Oldmanlawlor wrote: »

Me; Why do you keep kicking me from group finder?!

Guy: You're a nightblade tank you noob.

Me: just let me play man, kick me if I drag the team down.

*finished vet fungal grotto without dying*

Three friend requests followed.

One of the better tanks on my friends list is a Nightblade magicka sap-tank. I really need to ask her about her setup - one of these days I'd like to try out a Nightblade tank. So far I've only tanked as a Templar (where I've done most of my tanking) and a Dragonknight. I'm pretty sure I could tank pretty easily on a Sorcerer by shield-stacking (I could be wrong as I haven't actually tried, but it seems reasonable to me), but it seems to me like tanking on a Nightblade requires more careful consideration to what skills to use/slot and just generally how to do your build.

I dress mine in 5 histbark, 4 song of lamae. All heavy. Sword and board. Pure health in attributes and enchantments. And also all resistance traits.

Between sap essence, siphoning attacks and a hp regen enchantment on my 1h axe I can tank and taunt and heal all day. And also, summoning the two shades grants 5500 additional resistances for 11 seconds.

I used to have a stamina nightblade, but I changed him to the tank. And I cannot stress how much fun it is tanking as a nightblade.

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Even with an AoE taunt you would still need to know when to use it. You can't just taunt the world and block in ESO or you will get chewed up very quickly.

That would actually be a really interesting way to balance an AoE taunt...

Sure, it would make it easy to AoE trash mobs down, but if the taunt has a huge range and attracts the world and his mom, you might want to think twice about inviting everyone over...

It would be hilarious to see tanks taunting everything within 50 yards, then wiping the group when they get steamrolled by two bosses and all their minions from two rooms away.

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ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

Even with an AoE taunt you would still need to know when to use it. You can't just taunt the world and block in ESO or you will get chewed up very quickly.

That would actually be a really interesting way to balance an AoE taunt...

Sure, it would make it easy to AoE trash mobs down, but if the taunt has a huge range and attracts the world and his mom, you might want to think twice about inviting everyone over...

It would be hilarious to see tanks taunting everything within 50 yards, then wiping the group when they get steamrolled by two bosses and all their minions from two rooms away.

Lately I have seen more deaths during trash pulls than on boss fights.

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ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

I really like tanking, but I have other characters as well since my tank is not really suited for questing/vMA/pvp.
Also, there's another issue. I taunt all the mobs, can buff the group and sustain my resources, I never have issues with inhibitor's portals and stuff like this, but... I cant do anything if the group is bad (well, except standing in a group of mobs watching them scratching my shield) So pugging on a tank is quite risky considering how many people join as "dds" just because thay cant tank or heal, even though they cant do damage as well.
Those 2 issues are the reason why there's not enough tanks imo.

Hence point #6... If I get too many more groups where I have to carry them on my shoulders...

NBrookus wrote: »

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

5. Add an AoE taunt.

Please, no. Prioritizing and controlling threats a big part of tanking skill. Otherwise you are just a turtle with a taunt.

Even with an AoE taunt you would still need to know when to use it. You can't just taunt the world and block in ESO or you will get chewed up very quickly.

AOE taunt with cool down. Sounds good to me on paper

That, or have it cost stamina per affected mob.

siddique wrote: »

A week ago we were running a group of about 9 people, all v16 as far as I recall. We went and killed Molag Bal a few times and came back. We ran into a Tank, 9 people on her for five minutes and we couldn't dent her. I have not come across such a tank in my almost one year of playing.

I was baffled and rattled and flabbergasted. So was my group.

the virginity armor is strong in this one.

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

That, or have it cost stamina per affected mob.

Thats an invite for bugfest.