Caution Everyone

anitajoneb17_ESO · March 2016

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

I can easily see myself getting caught out for this sort of thing because it my main character is such that the first thing she would do upon seeing a tavern is look for a table to dance on - you know my Santie ...

If you're as subtle and clever ingame as you are on the forum, I doubt your actions could be mistaken for harassment.

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

Saying that I wasn't there so I don't know the full circumstances but if it was the case that just one player danced on a table (we used to do that all the time at guild events) then this seems to be an over reaction in my opinion.

Sure, but complaining so loudly on the forum about a simple warning also is overreacting.

ranashadowmareb14a_ESO · March 2016

so from how i understand from this is a if rps are rping near an anchor you cant do that anchor couse ya may get reported for harassment

FriedEggSandwich · March 2016

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

I can easily see myself getting caught out for this sort of thing because it my main character is such that the first thing she would do upon seeing a tavern is look for a table to dance on - you know my Santie ...

If you're as subtle and clever ingame as you are on the forum, I doubt your actions could be mistaken for harassment.

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

Saying that I wasn't there so I don't know the full circumstances but if it was the case that just one player danced on a table (we used to do that all the time at guild events) then this seems to be an over reaction in my opinion.

Sure, but complaining so loudly on the forum about a simple warning also is overreacting.

I can see why you might think that, but if I'm honest I would also probably take to the forums if what the op says happened to me. I'm taking the op's word for it and it sounds concerning that zos should do this. If the op is correct then they probably didn't check the chat log to see what went on, which means they literally took the word of the complainants and acted upon it. There's no way of proving any of it though so I guess it is a waste of time to speculate.

Genomic · March 2016

Saturn wrote: »

I usually have some fun with roleplayers when I encounter them in taverns and such, the trick is to also be roleplaying. Example:

/emote harasses roleplayers by dancing on a table.

That way they cannot report you because you are roleplaying the character of someone who lives only to harass roleplayers, I promise it's an airtight protection against roleplaying-douchenozzle-crybullies.

Crybully is a fairly apt description for many roleplayers I've encountered. Generally speaking they tend not to be the most emotionally resilient or socially adept group of people.

failkiwib16_ESO · March 2016

At launch I remember so many bots were templars, and my char was a templar ....I googled ESO and saw videos of people filming templar "bots" that acted pretty normal like players.

Being an obsessive flowerpicker and a templar, reading so many "I AM OFFENDED, THIS PLAYER HAVING THIS NAME, CUTTING WOOD, KILLING DEARS, USING SKILLS, NEAR ME RUINS MY IMMERSION" topics on forums, those videos etc. scared me from using Puncturing Sweep, because I was afraid of being filmed and uploaded to youtube and linked on forums. I knew that I could do it, but I tried to avoid trouble....

I think I was v9 or v12 when I dared to use Puncturing Sweep again.

Personally I think it is wrong to report others based on assumptions. It really opens up for a lot of abuse of the system, if ZOS gives in and accepts such reports. How would the same people like, if others used the same system to turn on them, and reported them based on assumptions?

NerfPlease · March 2016

i just want roleplayers to die, really

potirondb16_ESO · March 2016

Prabooo wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Your behavior was deemed inappropriate when a role player logs he wants to have fun you have no place doing what you did, i have heard of how awful role players are treated by some people that try to impose their opinions on them by doing what you just did and worse.
One of my friends told me that back when the game launched role players where more open to the idea of doing role play in say chat but they stopped due to harassment of people who apparently didn't had anything better to do than being a jerk to others. How would you feel if someone interrupts one of the activities you enjoy the most in the game by doing something you don't like?

My thoughts:

1) Roleplaying should be only among the participants only, meaning you should /whisper or group in order to have a private channel.

2) Roleplaying should be acted in private instances or non populated zones in order to avoid external interference.

3) Roleplaying should not deny the element of realtime improvisation. In another escenario a guy jumping on a table and dancing could make a terrific story, including in real life.

Just my thoughts.

My experience: I do not enjoy trolling people, and if I find people roleplaying I just go my own way. Once I was in a house in game where there is a quest (I don't remember which one, with vampires) and in one of the rooms there were 2 couples of vampire characters, in a kinda of sexy enviroment getting nasty... I just took a quick glance and carried on with my quest... Kinda like what I would have done in real life anyways

Actually I do Wonder if we don't have a roleplay channel, we use to have that in Everquest which was more of a Sandbox at the time and had a lot of opportunity to roleplay even if not specificly looking for it. Maybe there should be a roleplay channel...

I mean if people like to rp, whynot do it with all those that like it. I mean I use to recall the spot we were using they were far less populated as you said it is basicly a non-scripted rule but ...

Lava_Croft · March 2016

Guys, ZOS is just protecting the people who spend the most money in the Crown Store.

Thevampirenight · March 2016

NerfPlease wrote: »

i just want roleplayers to die, really

Hmm if you played the other elder scrolls games you would find out you are a roleplayer because that is another form of roleplaying.

Prabooo · March 2016

can we roleplay in Cyrodiil?

Thevampirenight · March 2016

Prabooo wrote: »

can we roleplay in Cyrodiil?

You can role play anywhere!
Basically if you wanted to you could rp everywhere in the game.

xellink · March 2016

Tdroid wrote: »

xellink wrote: »

catsgomeow wrote: »

Ive nothing against the role playing community I enjoy the fact that they are here and having fun, but someone dancing on a table isn't abuse or harassment, if there is no verbal abuse or crudity then that person has just as much right to occupy that space as anyone else, if I payed a price to play here or sub then I have as much right to play how I feel as the next person and if I want to roleplay my character to jest with other roleplayers by dancing on a table then I will, I think there are just some people who need to stop being precious flowers and realise that in a public game you are going to have public interactions, and as I said if those interactions are not abusive or crude or verbal, then tough luck.

Some areas should be flagged as RP protected i guess to prevent breaking of immersion which is the core of RP. But seriously its easier if players do their own self policing. This is an adult game after all. We need respectful players. Devs have the ability to read the chat logs. If you accidentally intruded an RP space, a often simple apology for intruding is usually enough. Imagine being the RPer and having to reply to a hundred apologies a day.

This is the same for public spaces where events are held. If there is a stage set up in a park for example, you should not be jumping up and dancing naked in front of the audience if it wasn't part of the planned programme. This is common courtesy. There are more people wanting order than chaos. Likewise in this case, there are more RPers than one drunken nord.

To the OP:

Question, what gives role players higher priority over anyone else?

There's one of you and many of them. To serve more customers, it is prudent for ZOS to meet the needs of the majority.

But it is not prudent to simply take RPers side when it comes to a complaint. If there was no one asking him to stop, he shouldn't have been given a warning and the report should be ignored. Maybe they did ask him to stop, I don't know.

Indeed, there should be clear rules around reporting interruptions of an RP event, starting with asking whoever is interupting to stop. If there aren't rules(and those rules are enforced, mind you), this seems to be easily exploitable by people who want to report others.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Changing of policies: Compare with the attitudes of that regarding breast feeding in public.

Like breastfeeding in public, since most players are from the US here, less than majority of people in a poll agreed that breast feeding should be done in public. Mindset has changed since the early 2000s and certain states have made discrimination against breast feeding illegal. In many countries, there are no laws for this. In the UK, breastfeeding is legal and it is illegal to tell somebody to stop breastfeeding in public. Nursing rooms are hard to find.

Where I live, the society is more conservative and nursing rooms have been built in public areas as some people prefer to breast feed in public and also quietens the people who don't want to see it in public (at the cost of taxpayers money and at the demand of the majority). It is not illegal to breast feed in public and money could have been better spent elsewhere (in my opinion). ZOS is not the USA, it represents players from all over the world, and only a subset of the population in the US. Its policies will have to change depending on the needs of the majority.

ZOS has to take the higher ground and exercise common sense in this case.

Whether it is right for them to warn you

To warning is to ask you to look at your blind spot, in the same manner as looking behind you before letting a door go. There are no laws about looking at your back and slamming doors in people's faces but if it is abused deliberately and liberally, I'm sure some surveillance systems will be set up. Looking at your surroundings is common courtesy.

Trolling in ESO has been done deliberately and liberally, therefore whatever choice ZOS makes and its attitudes towards RPers and RP trolls is not a matter of right or wrong, but rather if this would benefit the majority and prevent harm in the future. This serves as a warning for you to look behind you before you close the door, not because you are an ***, but because the majority wants you to do so out of basic courtesy. In real life, good parenting (hopefully) would Society functions only if you communicate and cooperate with others.

Unfortunately ZOS has to take some parenting role here because clearly people have not grown up enough to enforce logical self policing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrn0px_anZs

Most of the time policies are changed due to popular demand, public safety/enjoyment and enforcibility. Low CP caps, catch up mechanics are to pander to the RPers and casuals. These are sound policies ZOS has made and they are better off making such decisions as they have monitoring equipment we do not have. They do not sound illogical to me coming from a third person.

Dhukath · March 2016

Thevampirenight wrote: »

The rp community basically keeps the elderscrolls alive, in a way sometimes keeps the game alive those that rp are there long term customer base so yes they care about the role play community.

I'm sorry, I'm personally sick of hearing "We keeps the game alive". Every one of the player base keep the game alive, in that everyone who logs in and plays, not just one specific group, not PVP'ers, RP'ers or PVE'ers.

In every aspect of the game respect for others should be equal, including on the forum, and while I can see this would have been somewhat disruptive to the RP'ers event and immersion, it would also of affected 'trace' enjoyment of dancing on tables!! I would have expected the RP'ers to have at least asked 'trace' to stop prior to lodging a formal complaint and possibly find a more suitable location i.e. less traffic zone and maybe even post bouncers on the door to inform players of the event in progress.

All in all, if for me this is making mountains out of mole hills and all of us should have respect for each other and how we choose to play.

TheTwistedRune · March 2016

Hmmm. I'm on the fence on this one. I do have a question though. What were you hoping to achieve by jumping on a table and dancing in front of a room full of roleplayers you don't know?

Saturn · March 2016

Genomic wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

I usually have some fun with roleplayers when I encounter them in taverns and such, the trick is to also be roleplaying. Example:

/emote harasses roleplayers by dancing on a table.

That way they cannot report you because you are roleplaying the character of someone who lives only to harass roleplayers, I promise it's an airtight protection against roleplaying-douchenozzle-crybullies.

Crybully is a fairly apt description for many roleplayers I've encountered. Generally speaking they tend not to be the most emotionally resilient or socially adept group of people.

Hey I'm not exactly socially adept either, but I at least don't try to own a certain space of a video game meant to be for the enjoyment of everyone. #givethetavernsbacktothepeople2016 #hashtagsareonlysupposedtobeusedsarcasticallybutsometimespeopledontgetthejokesoyouhavetospellitoutforthem...2016

Brrrofski · March 2016

Unless you are harrasing someone or verbally abusing someone, there's no reason you should get a warning for doing what you like in the game.

As far as people complaining about others breaking their immersion, it's an online game. There will be other people doing what they want. Someone will be dancing naked at the daggerfall fountain, people will be spamming skills in wayrest and some 12 years old in area chat will definitely leave his mic on while having a shouting conversation with his mum who's downstairs.

It's an online game, we have to accept that other people are doing their own thing.

Selstad · March 2016

I have a slight feeling of withheld information in this regard. Why per example did you get an urge to run up on that specific table and dance? Did you perhaps know that it would disrupt and annoy those around it? Were it obvious that they were participating in a Roll playing event? And if so, if you knew, then why did you purposefully jump up on that table to dance, if your intentions were not to interrupt?

We're all responsible for a respectful and nice community in this game. If some think they're entitled to do what they want, then we're on a slippery slope already. It's all about respecting your fellow players, what they're doing and not purposefully interrupt just because you can.

Delgent · March 2016

ranashadowmareb14a_ESO wrote: »

so from how i understand from this is a if rps are rping near an anchor you cant do that anchor couse ya may get reported for harassment

The lack of comprehension is strong in this one.

Delgent · March 2016

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

Hmmm. I'm on the fence on this one. I do have a question though. What were you hoping to achieve by jumping on a table and dancing in front of a room full of roleplayers you don't know?

He was hoping to get attention, and achieved his goal, only now, he doesn't like it.

So many in this thread lack the civility to just enjoy the game side by side with their fellow players. RP'ers add to the atmosphere for the most part. In general, there are a lot of tables around, if someone feels the need to dance on one, do it on one not being used. Is it that hard to figure out?

Knootewoot · March 2016

So, if I walk around in cyrodill attacking noobs and I get killed by another experienced player...

Can I just report them for harassing because I was roleplaying a mugger who was after the noobs money?

Genomic · March 2016

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

Hmmm. I'm on the fence on this one. I do have a question though. What were you hoping to achieve by jumping on a table and dancing in front of a room full of roleplayers you don't know?

Are you kidding me? ESO isn't church. People jump around, dance, emote all the time. They don't have to ask permission from a bunch of adults who think playing make-believe gives them special privileges.

xellink · March 2016

Genomic wrote: »

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

Hmmm. I'm on the fence on this one. I do have a question though. What were you hoping to achieve by jumping on a table and dancing in front of a room full of roleplayers you don't know?

Are you kidding me? ESO isn't church. People jump around, dance, emote all the time. They don't have to ask permission from a bunch of adults who think playing make-believe gives them special privileges.

You don't have to do it in a church. Just do it in any bar or pub or public space. Lets see how long you can do it before getting escorted out. You can take off your clothes too for the added effect.

Knootewoot wrote: »

So, if I walk around in cyrodill attacking noobs and I get killed by another experienced player...

Can I just report them for harassing because I was roleplaying a mugger who was after the noobs money?

Thats also why the enforcer system was scrapped.

themdogesbite · March 2016

And in the meantime someone that unfairly aquiered over 18 million AP in a second still runs arround. it's good to know that 95% of the playerbase isn't a priority!

Genomic · March 2016

Delgent wrote: »

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

Hmmm. I'm on the fence on this one. I do have a question though. What were you hoping to achieve by jumping on a table and dancing in front of a room full of roleplayers you don't know?

He was hoping to get attention, and achieved his goal, only now, he doesn't like it.

So many in this thread lack the civility to just enjoy the game side by side with their fellow players. RP'ers add to the atmosphere for the most part. In general, there are a lot of tables around, if someone feels the need to dance on one, do it on one not being used. Is it that hard to figure out?

The irony is the people lacking the civility to just enjoy the game side by side with their fellow players are the RPers. ESO is not their own personal playground, though seemingly they see it this way.

Genomic · March 2016

xellink wrote: »

You don't have to do it in a church. Just do it in any bar or pub or public space. Lets see how long you can do it before getting escorted out. You can take off your clothes too for the added effect.

And. this. is. a. game. A computer game. Not a pub, not a church, not a park. Unbelievable how spoiled and petulant you RPers are. Well, not that unbelievable, considering you're a group of adults playing 8 year old level make-believe.

sadownik · March 2016

Well OP was roleplaying drunken character and someone destroyed his/her immersion? Thats terrible! But seriously people rp-ing should be better than that -improvize! Otherwise its a scene play not role play.

On a side note i witnessed some of that "role play" cringe worthy at best to be honest.

Meanma · March 2016

Finally a game where the roleplaying community gets some respect from the game masters.

SantieClaws · March 2016

I think a nice instanced space or two would help everyone out in this situation. Allow for cross alliance role play groups too perhaps?

A nice large garden like space, some tables, maybe a stage?

Fishing pools would be great too. What wouldn't I give for the chance to go fishing with any of my guild mates - regardless of their alliance.

If the tech is there to allow instanced dungeons it should just (sort of) be a case of creating a similar sort of space but without the angry critters. If existing assets are used then it hopefully would not be too time intensive a job.

Housing might provide part or all of the solution when we get it.

Saying that though Tamriel belongs to everyone and we all have to learn to get along in it. If we can't manage this then what hope for the other place - 'outside' I think I once heard it called.

DDemon · March 2016

So, what happens when an RP'er breaks 'MY' immersion of the game by RP'ing some random event, is it acceptable for me to just report them and have them warned? If this story is exactly as it is described in this post, I find it appalling.

There needs to be properly supported proof, video, screenshots of chat logs in order to take a complain serious enough to warn/flag a customer like this.

What message do you send the community with this, and where do you draw a line?

Player: 'He looked at me funny while I was RP'ing a libidinous house Khajiit.'

GM: 'Oh my word! Ban!'

Kilnerdyne · March 2016

Wow. Role-players getting special treatment for crying? Is this a thing now?
All I have to do is pretend i'm a role-player, wait for someone to enter my tavern, take a screenshot and BOOM. Banned for life.

Well good job salty/scaly role-players! You probably banned someone who enjoyed the game as much as you do. With all your higher-emotional powers how does that make you feel? Bad, I would hope.

And for what? A dance? Your day was very slightly inconvenienced for 10-15 seconds?

Justify this as anything but your own anger issues and i'm afraid your lost. Throw around words like "harrassment" and i'm afraid your an idiot.