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Tdroid

@NerfPlease

Tdroid wrote: »

One of the major problems with this reply, as far as I can tell, is that it does not address my point at all. I am saying there should be rules on what a report to ZOS about interupting of RP meetings to avoid the report system being abused by jerks.

you mean rp-ers?[/quote]

And/or, if you had taken the time to read the 2nd paragraph of the post you quoted, trolls pretending to be RPers to get others in trouble. If there is no standard for what precedes a report of this sort, you are inviting this to happen.

Why? Because quite a lot of people are jerks. Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Of course, I don't hold RPers above being trolls and/or pricks, so I don't find it hard to imagine reports being sent over miniscule things. Or over nothing.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Tabbycat wrote: »

1. RPers assume that everyone knows they are RPing, even when it may not be obvious to other players.

2. RPers assume that anyone interrupting their RP session is a troll.

3. RPers assume that asking anyone to kindly stop interrupting their RP session will mean they will get harassed.

4. RPers assume it is OK to report other players for interrupting their RP session without asking the offending party to stop the behavior first.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong with this list.

1. It's not hard to notice and identify for anyone who cares even just a little bit.
2. Rightly so, since so many players enjoy trolling RPers
3. Very rightly so (related to point 2)
4. Yes, because it is their only option, really.


NB : I'm not a RPer myself, but I feel for them, really.

Thevampirenight

Well they do expect players to show prove of trolling or other game breaking things when reporting others, basically its required. So they just don't go by players word alone they have to have some evidence. Unless many players have reported the same person then they might take action.

GrigorijMalahevich

I think if you are role playing a stripper character, then it is acceptable to dance on the table.

Furthermore, I think you should report them for ruining your role playing experience as you expect them to pay for your performance.



P.S. yes, this is nonsense.

Tdroid

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

1. RPers assume that everyone knows they are RPing, even when it may not be obvious to other players.

2. RPers assume that anyone interrupting their RP session is a troll.

3. RPers assume that asking anyone to kindly stop interrupting their RP session will mean they will get harassed.

4. RPers assume it is OK to report other players for interrupting their RP session without asking the offending party to stop the behavior first.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong with this list.

1. It's not hard to notice and identify for anyone who cares even just a little bit.
2. Rightly so, since so many players enjoy trolling RPers
3. Very rightly so (related to point 2)
4. Yes, because it is their only option, really.


NB : I'm not a RPer myself, but I feel for them, really.

1: Given the range of strange behavior you see in any online game, you'd be surprised. What more is, many players might not be very familiar with RPing in general, because not everyone are into that or have much exposure to it.

2: A very faulty assumption. Some players enjoy trolling, sure. Assuming everyone who happens to interupt them doing so is a troll? What happened to the presumption of innocence? What happened to considering what I mention in point 1?

3: And if the person continues to interupt them after being asked to stop because they are RPing, then you suddenly have intent established. Somehow, by asking, you can magically discern the trolls from people who just did something random because it is a game and they can.

4: But it is not OK, because it invites abuse of the system if these reports are taken seriously. And, while everyone on these forums surely have an idea what RPing is, assuming everyone does is a faulty beginning. Some might just play a game because they think it is a fun game.

NB: I feel for every player in the game, as such, and I don't want to give pricks a way to get players in trouble.

GreenGhostMan

If the OP's story is true, this is ridiculous. On the flipside, the OP had his gaming experience hindered by the RPers reporting him. What if the OP was a RPer himself? A crazy thief that spends his stolen coin in taverns, gets too drunk and is known to get up and dance on tables. Heck, I've seen people get up and dance on tables IRL.

This is dumb if true...

Sharee

Abeille wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

If someone is intentionally disrupting your gameplay, you report them. If you interact with them, you are feeding the troll. It is common knowledge that you shouldn't feed the troll.

OP, you were not suspended or muted, maybe because ZOS did read the chat log and thought a warning was enough. Maybe you didn't mean any harm, but sometimes we make mistakes and people don't like it (I've been there too). What you did does come off as trolling, even if it wasn't your intention. Part of growing up is learning to ignore people that are bothering us, but being able to understand you made a mistake and learning from it is part of growing up too. Take that warning ZOS gave you and don't do it again.

Do what again? The OP didn't even realize he was doing something wrong. Should we now be worried every time we use an enchanting table, the bank or any other kind place we have to use a lot and hope we won't disturb a roleplayer, in fear of being reported and it actually being acted on? I myself have stood on crafting tables, bank furniture and chairs due to the amount of people being at that location. Thinking back, I should have been banned long ago! oh my word, how dare I.

That's not what the OP did. I am noticing that many people in this thread are not noticing that what the OP did isn't just something that happens on accident. He went to a table in an inn, with other players around it, climbed on it and danced. Your fingers don't just slip and make that happen.

Doing what you describe does not break any rules by itself, however. Anyone is free to move his character anywhere in the game world and do whatever emote he wants by default.

Only if doing so offends or disrupts other players should he refrain from doing so - but for that, he would first have to know that his activity offends someone. And you cannot expect him to read other people's minds - if no-one told him his behavior is disruptive, he has the right to assume it isn't.

Sometimes we do offend or disrupt other players while thinking our actions are absolutely innocent. I've been there too. But he got the warning, and now he knows, so he can refrain from doing that again. He wasn't banned or muted for that.

So he can refrain doing what again? Dancing on tables? Dancing on tables is allowed. He should be free to do so unless asked to stop(and i don't mean an official warning, i mean a simple tell).

Abeille wrote: »

What he did on itself isn't against the rules, but it isn't something that just happens during a regular player session unlike some are claiming.

And who are you to rule on what player behavior is or isn't supposed to happen during a regular session? Maybe i like to roleplay drunken tavern patrons dancing on tables, what is it to you?

Abeille wrote: »

No one is being asked to not use a building in the game or to not do a quest. Comparing it to going to the bank or a crafting table doesn't really fit. It is about respect, really. They are not disrupting your gameplay, so why would you disrupt theirs?

Because he does not realize he is disrupting anything. And if you refuse to tell him, he has no way to know.

Abeille wrote: »

Now, about him having the right to assume his behavior wasn't disruptive, then we go back to @TheTwistedRune 's question. What did OP hope to achieve with his behavior? We should ask this question to ourselves before doing this kind of thing, to avoid this kind of situation.

Again, what is it to you? It is his game, his time he is spending playing it. He can spend it doing a handstand in front of the fighter's guild, and it's none of your business. Unless it disturbs your own activity - but then you should tell him that before calling the police.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Tdroid wrote: »

NB: I feel for every player in the game, as such, and I don't want to give pricks a way to get players in trouble.

Sure, but ...

1/ OP isn't "in trouble". He just plays the victim.
2/ Every system, even the most perfect one, has a potential for abuse. That's not a reason for it not to exist. I'm well aware that there can be jerks on both sides of any story, but I prefer to trade a few abuses for a lot of protection rather than avoid any risk of abuse for no protection at all, if you see what I mean (I reckon it's just my opinion). Each and everyone of us has been the "victim" of unfair warnings, remarks or punishments at some point in life, with various levels of severity and consequences, and we all hated it. Still, as adults, we understand this is the downside of protection and move on. In this case, assuming OP is genuine, he should just move on instead of making all this fuss.

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Artjuh90

So the troll OP is crying because he was annoying people ad now he crys for being reported. lol people these days

xellink

Sharee wrote: »

Only if doing so offends or disrupts other players should he refrain from doing so - but for that, he would first have to know that his activity offends someone. And you cannot expect him to read other people's minds - if no-one told him his behavior is disruptive, he has the right to assume it isn't.

Tdroid wrote: »

One of the major problems with this reply, as far as I can tell, is that it does not address my point at all. I am saying there should be rules on what a report to ZOS about interupting of RP meetings to avoid the report system being abused by jerks.

Unless they ask someone to stop, they have no way of knowing whether it was intentional or if it was a coincidence. Having no rules about this also creates an aura of uncertainty just playing the game, because some self-entitled prick decided he was going to report you for daring to walk through where he was RPing. Or some trolling prick decided he was going to pretend to RP so he could report people.

Having this sort of loose rules about reporting does little but hand trolls and self-entitled pricks a blungeon to hit everyone else with. And I think that should be fairly obvious as a negative for the community as a whole. What's next? People who disagree with others in their group gets banned because they didn't "RP properly and therefor disrupted the RP"?

@Tdroid @Sharee

The warning serves the very purpose of informing you developer and player intent.
1) does not do any harm
2) informs you that other players are not appreciative of what you just did
3) is a non-judgemental way of recording an activity
4) most normal people don't get warnings

If you receive multiple warnings, there is something wrong with you, as an individual.

Whilst I agree that it would be better to have some rules set in stone because people have no common sense, i am not sure it is worth the effort for ZOS to delegate manpower for such a minor issue which can be solved amongst players themselves. Do note that a lot of laws have been modified to fit the needs of citizens. This is the same for the citzens of Tamriel. A little common sense needs to be exercised.

I_killed_Vivec

Sharee wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

If someone is intentionally disrupting your gameplay, you report them. If you interact with them, you are feeding the troll. It is common knowledge that you shouldn't feed the troll.

OP, you were not suspended or muted, maybe because ZOS did read the chat log and thought a warning was enough. Maybe you didn't mean any harm, but sometimes we make mistakes and people don't like it (I've been there too). What you did does come off as trolling, even if it wasn't your intention. Part of growing up is learning to ignore people that are bothering us, but being able to understand you made a mistake and learning from it is part of growing up too. Take that warning ZOS gave you and don't do it again.

Do what again? The OP didn't even realize he was doing something wrong. Should we now be worried every time we use an enchanting table, the bank or any other kind place we have to use a lot and hope we won't disturb a roleplayer, in fear of being reported and it actually being acted on? I myself have stood on crafting tables, bank furniture and chairs due to the amount of people being at that location. Thinking back, I should have been banned long ago! oh my word, how dare I.

That's not what the OP did. I am noticing that many people in this thread are not noticing that what the OP did isn't just something that happens on accident. He went to a table in an inn, with other players around it, climbed on it and danced. Your fingers don't just slip and make that happen.

Doing what you describe does not break any rules by itself, however. Anyone is free to move his character anywhere in the game world and do whatever emote he wants by default.

Only if doing so offends or disrupts other players should he refrain from doing so - but for that, he would first have to know that his activity offends someone. And you cannot expect him to read other people's minds - if no-one told him his behavior is disruptive, he has the right to assume it isn't.

They did assume his motive - " began dancing to purposely disrupt their experience".

I wonder how little you'd have to do to have it construed as disruptive - particularly as this occurred in a public space that will be frequented by people doing quests. What if he'd danced on a nearby table? Or just danced near to them? Or ran through them on the way to his quest giver...

It also makes me wonder why people think they can "reserve" a public space for their purposes and report anyone who might "disrupt" them. What if he'd been part of a dancing RP group, whose need to dance conflicted with the other group's need for more serious entertainment?

I agree with the argument for good manners and not intentionally disrupting other people's experiences, but equally RPers can't expect to control behaviour in public places (because that too disrupts other people's experiences...).

ZOS_MollyH

At this time, we are going to keep this thread closed as discussing in-game disciplinary actions is a violation of our Code of Conduct

Please be aware that we take harassment seriously, and all reports are reviewed and investigated. You will not receive any notification of the outcome of reports you put in, but the team investigates them all. We respect all of our players, and we do take context into consideration when reports are made.

If you ever feel as though you were not harassing another player or intentionally causing disruption, you are always welcome to submit a ticket to our support team to appeal an in-game disciplinary action where it will be reviewed a second time.