Thevampirenight wrote: »

Well advice, don't disrupt or troll a roleplay event or anything like that, most of us rpers really dislike that. Now if you rp your character jumping on the table and doing that then maybe you would not get reported for that.
Thing is, players have been banned for trolling rp events. I have seen one time complaining in zone chat complaining about how there guild mate got banned for trolling a rp event, so yeah if you don't want to join the rp just don't disturb it and do the quest and move on.

Rp community are long term player because they are last to complete the content lol

I kind of like the idea of RPing but it should be in the confines of the game itself,,,,,, what do I mean,,, apparently they have never been to a tavern in Skyrim or else they would know a drunk Nord when they see them,, or know the affects of seeing one of the many other races trying to keep up with them.

Edit: ZOS in case you missed it, dancing on the table of any tavern in this game is well within the confines of RP for this game and the lore it presents. It is not the players fault you didn't program bouncers in the game.

Suggestion for the offended RP party, next time drop your weapons and get on the table and throw a few punches, you may not be able to do damage, but at least it will look like you are punching them in the face and starting a bar fight.

Well you got to consider this is the elder scrolls, its been a big franchise for a lot of people, and every game has some form of personal role playing experience by playing them. I think to the people that made this game wants people to feel that experience role playing helps keep the game alive role players are the ones that will stay in a game while pvers and pvpers that had enough or felt they done all the content move on.

As you noticed its not all about greed, Of course they want money but they also want people to experience a game, rather just another mmorpg. The cosmetics are more appealing to the rp community but they need to work on some of them at least. They want to appeal to the rp community the most because that probably where there getting most of the crown store buys, other then pvers and pvpers wanting cool new mounts to use for there characters as well as the fact they most likely role play as well. They added the justice system because they wanted to have more of an elder scrolls appeal. They added vampirsm and lycanthropy because of the fact almost all the major elder scrolls games had the ability to become either one.

Basically they want to encourage role play, and this is a fact.
People that spam abiltes and basically try to drive rpers off, are most likely going to get banned for good because they care about the francise and those that want to roleplay and pretend they are living in this world they created instead of just doing content and leaving.

Back in the day Gms would log on and basically prevent those people from using any abilties what so ever if they spammed out us rpers. Or just banned them outright. Not mainly trolls will go and do that because they know they could get in trouble.
They want to keep the elder scrolls feel alive. They don't want a toxic community, of course people will whine, and complain but they just allow this but are very against any form of swearing or profanity, they want to keep the forums clean of that but they do nothing to those that use it in the zone chats. But they do not tolerate those that would ruin the immersion of others. Basically they don't care as much for pvp, and most likely will not ban for good those that pvp exploit.

You may think they don't care about you, or the bugs but there is a lot on there plates they will fix what they can, if its not a major bug or if it involves coding then it would take them a while to fix it. I do think Zenimax does a good job despite some of the decisions they have made sometimes.

catsgomeow wrote: »

Ive nothing against the role playing community I enjoy the fact that they are here and having fun, but someone dancing on a table isn't abuse or harassment, if there is no verbal abuse or crudity then that person has just as much right to occupy that space as anyone else, if I payed a price to play here or sub then I have as much right to play how I feel as the next person and if I want to roleplay my character to jest with other roleplayers by dancing on a table then I will, I think there are just some people who need to stop being precious flowers and realise that in a public game you are going to have public interactions, and as I said if those interactions are not abusive or crude or verbal, then tough luck.

Some areas should be flagged as RP protected i guess to prevent breaking of immersion which is the core of RP. But seriously its easier if players do their own self policing. This is an adult game after all. We need respectful players. Devs have the ability to read the chat logs. If you accidentally intruded an RP space, a often simple apology for intruding is usually enough. Imagine being the RPer and having to reply to a hundred apologies a day.

This is the same for public spaces where events are held. If there is a stage set up in a park for example, you should not be jumping up and dancing naked in front of the audience if it wasn't part of the planned programme. This is common courtesy. There are more people wanting order than chaos. Likewise in this case, there are more RPers than one drunken nord.

To the OP:

Question, what gives role players higher priority over anyone else?

There's one of you and many of them. To serve more customers, it is prudent for ZOS to meet the needs of the majority.

Nerf dancing. Works for everything else...

Meanwhile ppl ran rampart in cyrodil after trillions of reports of rude behaviour in zonechat/ whisper or exploiting.

At least the priorities are clear. Eh wooot...

xellink wrote: »

catsgomeow wrote: »

Ive nothing against the role playing community I enjoy the fact that they are here and having fun, but someone dancing on a table isn't abuse or harassment, if there is no verbal abuse or crudity then that person has just as much right to occupy that space as anyone else, if I payed a price to play here or sub then I have as much right to play how I feel as the next person and if I want to roleplay my character to jest with other roleplayers by dancing on a table then I will, I think there are just some people who need to stop being precious flowers and realise that in a public game you are going to have public interactions, and as I said if those interactions are not abusive or crude or verbal, then tough luck.

Some areas should be flagged as RP protected i guess to prevent breaking of immersion which is the core of RP. But seriously its easier if players do their own self policing. This is an adult game after all. We need respectful players. Devs have the ability to read the chat logs. If you accidentally intruded an RP space, a often simple apology for intruding is usually enough. Imagine being the RPer and having to reply to a hundred apologies a day.

This is the same for public spaces where events are held. If there is a stage set up in a park for example, you should not be jumping up and dancing naked in front of the audience if it wasn't part of the planned programme. This is common courtesy. There are more people wanting order than chaos. Likewise in this case, there are more RPers than one drunken nord.

To the OP:

Question, what gives role players higher priority over anyone else?

There's one of you and many of them. To serve more customers, it is prudent for ZOS to meet the needs of the majority.

But it is not prudent to simply take RPers side when it comes to a complaint. If there was no one asking him to stop, he shouldn't have been given a warning and the report should be ignored. Maybe they did ask him to stop, I don't know.

Indeed, there should be clear rules around reporting interruptions of an RP event, starting with asking whoever is interupting to stop. If there aren't rules(and those rules are enforced, mind you), this seems to be easily exploitable by people who want to report others.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

For real.

I don't think you got reported for dancing on a table. You got reported for dancing on a table badly.... keep it classy.

trace_dragonbanenub18_ESO wrote: »

If I would of received a message, asking to stop, I would have, I'm not a jerk.

That's exactly what's happening : you're receiving message asking you to stop. Nothing else. What's the problem ?

trace_dragonbanenub18_ESO wrote: »

If I would of received a message, asking to stop, I would have, I'm not a jerk.

So say you, but the tone of your post indicates otherwise... Creating a thread here and writing such a wall of text for something so trivial ... ? With such nice and false statements like "no wonder it's free to play"... ?

You're not a victim of any disciplinary action (since none was taken - which you so conveniently left out). You're being politely asked to respect RPers, so just do so and move on - regardless of your initial intend in that tavern.

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FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Really sounds like you got caught being a jerk, and you came to the forums to try and justify what you did as innocent.

Being a jerk has everything to do with your intentions. Otherwise you could argue that someone just clowning about for a laugh was a being jerk. You ascertain someone's intentions by politely asking them to stop. If they continue you now know their intention was to be a jerk, if they stop you can probably be sure they were just trying to have a laugh.

Well I personally relive that he basically did it because he thought something other then cardplaying was going on. Not sure what happened have no idea, what happened was not there for that. So he might have thought erp, and yeah I have see trolls doing this they will undress and basically stand there or dance. Some rpers even have done this when people are in group chat having a erp session someone will come in see two characters in undies in a bedroom. Those people basically undress characters and basically try to be funny because they are not included. Advice don't interfere with anyone in a inn bedroom, or a house and just don't try and ruin someones fun by trolling in that form.

My advice to others is to let others enjoy their immersion, don't interfere with it by trolling. Basically the most likely of places you will find rp is in inns and taverns sometimes mages guilds and out in the open. If you want to join rp join it. If you want to join a erp session most likely your never going to be allowed to see or join it so don't bother trying to be funny. Undressing then jumping around being funny like that is not funny at all and some will even report you for this form of trolling.

My advice to him.
I can understand if it was really, a mistake you made, but yeah while in taverns the best thing is not do run around doing stuff like that. Maybe in a delve or in the open near other pve and pvp players. But not when people are roleplaying. If your roleplaying its fine for you to go to a table and rp it out with you climbing up and dancing. Just don't expect them icly to be happy with you.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Really sounds like you got caught being a jerk, and you came to the forums to try and justify what you did as innocent.

Being a jerk has everything to do with your intentions. Otherwise you could argue that someone just clowning about for a laugh was a being jerk. You ascertain someone's intentions by politely asking them to stop. If they continue you now know their intention was to be a jerk, if they stop you can probably be sure they were just trying to have a laugh.

Well I personally relive that he basically did it because he thought something other then cardplaying was going on. Not sure what happened have no idea, what happened was not there for that. So he might have thought erp, and yeah I have see trolls doing this they will undress and basically stand there or dance. Some rpers even have done this when people are in group chat having a erp session someone will come in see two characters in undies in a bedroom. Those people basically undress characters and basically try to be funny because they are not included. Advice don't interfere with anyone in a inn bedroom, or a house and just don't try and ruin someones fun by trolling in that form.

My advice is to let others enjoy their immersion, don't interfere with it. Basically the most likely of places you will find rp is in inns and taverns sometimes mages guilds and out in the open. If you want to join rp join it. If you want to join a erp session most likely your never going to be allowed to see or join it so don't bother trying to be funny. Undressing then jumping around being funny like that is not funny at all and some will even report you for this form of trolling.

@Tdroid summed up it up for me:

Tdroid wrote: »

xellink wrote: »

catsgomeow wrote: »

Ive nothing against the role playing community I enjoy the fact that they are here and having fun, but someone dancing on a table isn't abuse or harassment, if there is no verbal abuse or crudity then that person has just as much right to occupy that space as anyone else, if I payed a price to play here or sub then I have as much right to play how I feel as the next person and if I want to roleplay my character to jest with other roleplayers by dancing on a table then I will, I think there are just some people who need to stop being precious flowers and realise that in a public game you are going to have public interactions, and as I said if those interactions are not abusive or crude or verbal, then tough luck.

Some areas should be flagged as RP protected i guess to prevent breaking of immersion which is the core of RP. But seriously its easier if players do their own self policing. This is an adult game after all. We need respectful players. Devs have the ability to read the chat logs. If you accidentally intruded an RP space, a often simple apology for intruding is usually enough. Imagine being the RPer and having to reply to a hundred apologies a day.

This is the same for public spaces where events are held. If there is a stage set up in a park for example, you should not be jumping up and dancing naked in front of the audience if it wasn't part of the planned programme. This is common courtesy. There are more people wanting order than chaos. Likewise in this case, there are more RPers than one drunken nord.

To the OP:

Question, what gives role players higher priority over anyone else?

There's one of you and many of them. To serve more customers, it is prudent for ZOS to meet the needs of the majority.

But it is not prudent to simply take RPers side when it comes to a complaint. If there was no one asking him to stop, he shouldn't have been given a warning and the report should be ignored. Maybe they did ask him to stop, I don't know.

Indeed, there should be clear rules around reporting interruptions of an RP event, starting with asking whoever is interupting to stop. If there aren't rules(and those rules are enforced, mind you), this seems to be easily exploitable by people who want to report others.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

There are lots of things they could be doing to support the RP community.

Some instanced RP areas - after all there are all those instanced dungeon spaces - would two or three little RP instance islands be such a toil to create if they used existing assets?

More emotes

More taverns generally - a few out in the middle of nowhere - quiet roadside inns here and there

Dyeable costumes

However I don't see how telling someone off for dancing in a tavern helps anyone. Taverns are for drinking and dancing and generally being a bit rowdy now and again. That's what make a tavern feel like a tavern. They are not quiet gentle places for stopping and having a quiet philosophical debate on the nature of imps. I can easily see myself getting caught out for this sort of thing because it my main character is such that the first thing she would do upon seeing a tavern is look for a table to dance on - you know my Santie ...

I see a few lovely quiet gardens in Hews Bane that would be great for that sort of RP.

If you have a group of people all using their spitting camels on other players or shouting out in zone chat about how much they are enjoying trolling everyone well that's a good time to mildly slap some paws here and there. Could have done with a little of that at the wedding event that was on the PTS.

One player dancing a table though - that seems a bit much. Other people acting oddly is part of life, by the gods in London it is anyway.

Saying that I wasn't there so I don't know the full circumstances but if it was the case that just one player danced on a table (we used to do that all the time at guild events) then this seems to be an over reaction in my opinion.