How to deal with Stam issues as Magicka?

Shadowstep2003 · March 2016

Specifically for PVP, it seems like stamina is essential as it allows me to block, dodge roll, and most importantly break free.

I'm a Magplar and I have about 10k stamina. All attribute points are in Magicka and I run health/magicka food buffs.

Am I doing this wrong? Most of the Magicka PVP builds I see are putting all points into Magicka and from what I can see their armor is typically magicka/divines as well. Should I be running tri-stat food buffs exclusively? Is there an optimal champion point distribution in the green tree that I should be using? I'm unsure how much that would help because it doesn't actually increase my stamina and if my stam regen is low to begin with I can't see putting points into that being helpful.

I was fighting another player in the upper imp city and found that after the first Fear I just didn't have the stamina to break free anymore and had to sit the full duration. I endured 2 full duration fears total before I was brought down and it was frustrating.

I want to play Magicka so I'd like to understand how to deal with stam issues on a Magicka based character. Also are there certain attacks that drain stamina? It just feels like I'm losing it so fast.

Thanks for any help that can be provided

Cinbri · March 2016

You playing magplar - it means unlike other classes you have almost zero sustain and worst pvp damage, you must deal with it. Trying to play glass-cannon style means that you will be melted once battle will tansfrom into 1v2. Putting all points in magicka uneffective, you must have not less than 15k stamina for pvp, run with 10k stamina is death sentence for open-world pvp for magplar. Put 100 points into reduce magicka cost CP so you won't need big mana pool, some points into reduce break CC cost CP. And most important - use tri-food that give you stamina, not just magicka-hp.

Scamandros · March 2016

Throwing in 1-2 medium armor pieces with your light armor will give you a small % buff to stamina regen. Bloodspawn 1pc grants stamina regen and can also be useful to get your base stat up.
Unless you want to go complete glass cannon go tristat food. The extra 4-5k stamina you gain for defensive stuff like blocking, dodging, breakfree etc is worth much more then the ~800 max magicka you give up.
I like to have a good 30 or so points in breakfree/roll dodge cost reduction cp tree. Your magicka sustain will take a hit to invest in it, but it will mean your low stam regen will go further. Block cost reduction under the Red constellation can help as well, but I try to avoid blocking when possible as you have no regen while doing so. Used selectively it can be powerful, but do it too much and your stam will drain too quickly.
I dont know the trees well, but i think repentance gives a stamina regen % boost while slotted, and any potion that returns stamina will also give you the major stam regen buff.

I do not play templar other then backup healbot if our regular healers are MIA, so take things with a grain of salt, but these are things I do on my magblade to help with similar issues.

code65536 · March 2016

Always use purple tri-stat food in PvP; blue bi-stat foods are for PvE.

FriedEggSandwich · March 2016

I have to run purple tristat food in cyrodiil or I quickly run into problems. I actually tried blue food again this morning but it lasted about 15mins before I had to switch back. I have about 13k stamina with purple food, but I also have 460cp. Spending cp in the green area will gradually increase your max stamina. You can also spend cp in the Tumbling tree to reduce the cost of dodge-roll and break free. Another step you can take as a magicka build is just not blocking; take the hits and spend stamina breaking cc instead. If you have to block then you can reduce that cost with cp too. Finally make or buy tripots and only pop them after spending more stamina than you're happy with, like when you have to dodge-roll twice in a row for example. Tripots give you back more stamina than a basic stam pot. Also check out your passives to see if there isn't some native way you can increase stam regen. Eg. for a sorc just slotting a daedric summoning ability will increase stam regen.

Other more extreme steps you could take are wearing a set that boosts stam or stam regen, like bloodspawn, wearing stamina or stamina recovery glyphs, or using drink instead of food. But tbh if you're careful with how you spend stamina the first steps should be enough for you to always have enough stam to cc break.

DHale · March 2016

You really have little chance against Stam users who use immovable pots. You gotta cc them and use immovable pots too. You can't get knocked in the air or on the ground. Get them on defense keep super close to them walk into the wrecking blows.

bikerangelo · March 2016

Gameplay: Never block anything except Meteors (you can purify them until Monday), only dodge roll when you have to or get soft CC'd.
Stats: run tri-stat food for the extra stamina. You can also invest CP into Tumbling.

You should really only have 10k stamina or less if you have potions to explicitly make up for that, otherwise you need 15k.

Brrrofski · March 2016

Tri stat food.

CP into tumbling. If your magics sustain is good enough, put rest of CP into stam regen.

Also, crucial to magica builds, especially a templar, immovabilty pots.

Also, don't forget you have repentance.

Master_Kas · March 2016

All I want is a magicka morph of rapid manouvers for snare immunity

One of the reasons I dislike playing magicka, snares and roots...

leepalmer95 · March 2016

Bloodspawn 1 piece.
Tri food always.
Repentance.

Don't waste cp into stamina regen 10% of nothing is still nothing.

Put points into tumbling.

Shadowstep2003 · March 2016

thank you all I will try your suggestions

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · March 2016

Purple food, 22 points in tumbling, don't block too much.

KenaPKK · March 2016

Also roll dodge as little as possible. Use your magicka based defenses, and save your stamina for breaking free.

Lord_Hev · March 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

You playing magplar - it means unlike other classes you have almost zero sustain and worst pvp damage, you must deal with it. Trying to play glass-cannon style means that you will be melted once battle will tansfrom into 1v2. Putting all points in magicka uneffective, you must have not less than 15k stamina for pvp, run with 10k stamina is death sentence for open-world pvp for magplar. Put 100 points into reduce magicka cost CP so you won't need big mana pool, some points into reduce break CC cost CP. And most important - use tri-food that give you stamina, not just magicka-hp.

I lol'd at this. At least your jabs can actually kill things. You can heal. Hell, the jabs themselves even heal you, and you have a free 120 extra magic regen that is free-to-cast. You also have a spammable cleanse that even stamplars can spam.

Try playing a Magic DK. Not to make this a pissing contest, but Templars can actually manage solo. A DK on the other hand has to rely on a Templar for heals, or hope that they steal some sorc's healing ward.

ChrisXO · March 2016

Being cc'd is probably the main factor I ever die in Cyrodiil.

What works for me is:

Bosmer for the racial stam regen

Tri-drinks for the extra regen

10k stamina pool that refills fast

Use immovable brute (heavy armor shield morph, reduces break free cost)

Use immovable pots with speed and stam

This gives me a very balanced build for my healplar with a lot of escape, even though I know I'm supposed to stay in my house.

aLi3nZ · March 2016

I am a sourc with 11k Stam. I never find lack of Stam a problem and will never run tri-stat. I use prism glyph on at least 1 infused armour peice and have started putting cp into tumbling and moon calf. Tri pots are the key

phillyboy7897 · March 2016

I play magplar as well

I have only 10k stam and only 1-2 of every 10 deaths is b/c I am out of stam

My #1 suggestion is to get engine guardian and hit it with repentance.

Tumbling CP at least 20 pts is a must

Here's everything I have working for me for stam. I do not need to give up damage by using tri-stat because I wear/use these things

2 pc Engine guardian (netting an effective 350 stam regen from the guardian procs)
1 pc medium armor
24 pts tumbling
Run speed/immovable/stam pots (7.5k stam every 45 seconds and +20% regen)
Repentance (guaranteed repentance for 4k stam on engine every 13 seconds, much more in reality b/c of killing other players and their pets and my allies dying)

Due to all these factors assuming I repentance something other than engine every 10 seconds (lowballing) I have effective 3,200 stam regen.

This is more than enough to break free every 5 seconds, and because of immovable pots I only need to break free 2/3s of the time. This gives me excess stam to dodgeroll burst damage as needed, and use for other things (I run evasion).

Hope some of this helps! You can look one of my videos to see all this in action (not the IC ones because I have rapid instead of repentance on) you will see that I have enough excess stam to dodgeroll out of the stupid gap closer root most of the time!

phillyboy7897 · March 2016

Oh and the cost of a breakfree without any points in tumbling appears to be right around 4500

Septimus_Magna · March 2016

Tri-stat pots are good but not the best if you struggle with stamina sustain.

You can make pots that restore stamina, give major expedition and give immovable.

If you pop one of these pots 5 seconds after you've broken free from CC you will get an additional 8 seconds of CC-immunity. This allows your stamina to regen in the meantime. You also dont need to sprint as much because you get a 40 second lasting speed buff.

Lava_Croft · March 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Tri-stat pots are good but not the best if you struggle with stamina sustain.

You can make pots that restore stamina, give major expedition and give immovable.

If you pop one of these pots 5 seconds after you've broken free from CC you will get an additional 8 seconds of CC-immunity. This allows your stamina to regen in the meantime. You also dont need to sprint as much because you get a 40 second lasting speed buff.

Blessed Thistle, Columbine and Namira's Rot is all you need to make Wrecking Blow spammers scratch their head because you ain't flyin'.

KenaPKK · March 2016

Or you could go stam.

leepalmer95 · March 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Tri-stat pots are good but not the best if you struggle with stamina sustain.

You can make pots that restore stamina, give major expedition and give immovable.

If you pop one of these pots 5 seconds after you've broken free from CC you will get an additional 8 seconds of CC-immunity. This allows your stamina to regen in the meantime. You also dont need to sprint as much because you get a 40 second lasting speed buff.

Blessed Thistle, Columbine and Namira's Rot is all you need to make Wrecking Blow spammers scratch their head because you ain't flyin'.

Does it stop the dodgy range and 10-12k hits?

Mrs_Quietus · March 2016

Immovable Speed Pots.

That is all.

KenaPKK · March 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

All I want is a magicka morph of rapid manouvers for snare immunity

One of the reasons I dislike playing magicka, snares and roots...

SAME.

Although I think it should replace Harness Magicka. I don't know what else the ability should do, but magicka templar and DK could use dodge chance. Magicka version of Evasion / Shuffle anyone?

Sugaroverdose · March 2016

aLi3nZ wrote: »

I am a sourc

You could stop on this phrase.

Cody · March 2016

because of stamina being involved in CC breaking, blocking, and roll dodging, you will need more stam as a mana build than a stam build would need mana. You are also playing the weakest class (I know from first hand experience, I could not stand playing as a templar last time i tried, it was awful) so no matter what you will struggle.

Get more stamina (15K like someone above said sounds good) do this however you can that will impede as little as possible upon your mana performance.

you could also try using a shield and getting block cost reduction passives.

Knootewoot · March 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

All I want is a magicka morph of rapid manouvers for snare immunity

One of the reasons I dislike playing magicka, snares and roots...

Agree on this. I almost never have stamina issues on my Magblade (I think I got around 11k). Except when someone throws caltrops on me. I am just stuck then and can't cloak, can't run out. Mostly I try to get to the edge and fear the evildoer and then try to heal or whatever.

On stamblade I laughed at caltrops. Both rapid manouvers or the medium armor shuffle thing worked great.

olsborg · March 2016

10k stam is a tad low, unless you have very high stam regen, wich i believe you dont.

Personally I have 14k stamina and ~780 stam regen. This with tristat potions is just about enough to not run out as long as I dont dodge or block alot. Im a magicka sorc.

Sharee · March 2016

phillyboy7897 wrote: »

I play magplar as well

I have only 10k stam and only 1-2 of every 10 deaths is b/c I am out of stam

My #1 suggestion is to get engine guardian and hit it with repentance.

Tumbling CP at least 20 pts is a must

Here's everything I have working for me for stam. I do not need to give up damage by using tri-stat because I wear/use these things

2 pc Engine guardian (netting an effective 350 stam regen from the guardian procs)
1 pc medium armor
24 pts tumbling
Run speed/immovable/stam pots (7.5k stam every 45 seconds and +20% regen)
Repentance (guaranteed repentance for 4k stam on engine every 13 seconds, much more in reality b/c of killing other players and their pets and my allies dying)

Due to all these factors assuming I repentance something other than engine every 10 seconds (lowballing) I have effective 3,200 stam regen.

This is more than enough to break free every 5 seconds, and because of immovable pots I only need to break free 2/3s of the time. This gives me excess stam to dodgeroll burst damage as needed, and use for other things (I run evasion).

Hope some of this helps! You can look one of my videos to see all this in action (not the IC ones because I have rapid instead of repentance on) you will see that I have enough excess stam to dodgeroll out of the stupid gap closer root most of the time!

Nice post. Only thing i would add is that you do not need to cc break every 5 seconds since cc break immunity actually lasts 8 seconds. Only the automatic cc immunity you get when you let CC expire without breaking it is 5 seconds.

phillyboy7897 · March 2016

Oo nice I never knew thx

Brrrofski · March 2016

Master_Kas wrote: »

All I want is a magicka morph of rapid manouvers for snare immunity

One of the reasons I dislike playing magicka, snares and roots...

Purge/puryfying Ritual...