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Why is there no necromancer?

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Besides the odd magicka nightblade build centered around the idea, we don't have much of a necromancer class. Why not? It's not like necromancers are a foreign concept to Tamriel.
  • Nyghthowler
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    Because 'HEROS' don't play with dead things...
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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Last time ZOS said that they are not gonna be putting in a necro class and again why should they ?

    Deal with it.
  • Gilliamtherogue
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    All of Tamriel was just under the threat of the Soul Burst, which was started and held in place by Necromancers. It's not a matter of it being foreign or not, but rather of if it fits with an ideal playable character. I can't see any of the factions being understanding of anyone who practices Necromancy, which would mean they'd be a solo faction. Makes perfect sense to why they aren't a playable class in terms of lore and creation.
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  • GrumpyDuckling
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    If I remember correctly, usually necromancy is frowned upon by mages in TES universe. Not sure if that's the reason necromancy isn't available in ESO, but it might make sense. In Skyrim, townsfolk usually expressed concern when I was walking with two dead thralls.
  • Kurobara
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    Because necromancy is a crime...? All things considered if they do eventually add it maybe it'll be alongside TDB
  • Storm_knight22
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    Necromantic abilities whill be a skill line not a class! They will be made available if you switch sides and join forces with Molag Bal!

    "I shall grant you a minion for each enemy you kill, you will have an army." Molag Bal
    Edited by Storm_knight22 on March 2, 2016 8:59AM
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  • Duiwel
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    Last time ZOS said that they are not gonna be putting in a necro class and again why should they ?

    Deal with it.

    Because Conjuration magic has been a thing of the Elder Scrolls series since Nir created the world

    Don't give us a class give us the skill tree then, since even spell crafting has been taken away...
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  • Faasnu
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    Because necromancy is a crime...?

    With the justice system that we currently have, you can be a thief or a murderer, so that's not a valid argument. I'm not even mentioning the thieves guild or dark brotherhood.
    Duiwel wrote: »
    Because Conjuration magic has been a thing of the Elder Scrolls series since Nir created the world

    Don't give us a class give us the skill tree then, since even spell crafting has been taken away...
    That's a good idea, actually if they are letting us join thieves guild and dark brotherhood in the future, it would be nice if we could have an alternative to join a group of necromancers and gain a skill line like with other guilds. It would be a fun playstyle known from previous elder scrolls games. Spells for temporary reanimation of fallen enemies or spells for summoning ghosts and skeletons should be available in this game, too.

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    Why is there no necromancer? there are many necromancers in this game including Mannimarco.
  • lunarsyed
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    spell crafting is but on the back burner not completely taken our. but i WILL just stop playing the game if spellcrafting is taken out completely
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    When they did a servery on what people would want to see as a pet class, The most voted for was necromancer. People very much want to play as necromancers in elder scrolls online. It would make sense for the story line say you were a necromancer that never served or refused to serve Mannimarco and he went and sacrificed you to Molag Bal because of this.
    Necromancer would be a good addition to the game as a class.
    Edited by Thevampirenight on March 2, 2016 9:49AM
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  • Storm_knight22
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    When they did a servery on what people would want to see as a pet class, The most voted for was necromancer. People very much want to play as necromancers in elder scrolls online. It would make sense for the story line say you were a necromancer that never served or refused to serve Mannimarco and he went and sacrificed you to Molag Bal because of this.
    Necromancer would be a good addition to the game as a class.

    In one of the AD quests you meet such a necromancer. I still think it more likely that you can join Molag Bal in the future and he could grant you necromantic abilities.
    I want spell crafting.
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    When they did a servery on what people would want to see as a pet class, The most voted for was necromancer. People very much want to play as necromancers in elder scrolls online. It would make sense for the story line say you were a necromancer that never served or refused to serve Mannimarco and he went and sacrificed you to Molag Bal because of this.
    Necromancer would be a good addition to the game as a class.

    In one of the AD quests you meet such a necromancer. I still think it more likely that you can join Molag Bal in the future and he could grant you necromantic abilities.

    No he is your sworn enemy. You have to fight him basically twice once in main story and the other time in the imperial sewers . Why would he give you such abilities no I would rather have them added into the game by a class or a skill line preferably a class. I would support a Coldhabour skill line that basically Molag Bal gives you temp command of his mace for defeating him an ult that allows you to wield the mace for five seconds as well as the ability to summon a Coldhabour flame atronoch.
    Necromancy should if not added as a class be a world skill tree line you can learn or just added as a class, with it as a class there would be more options and abilities.
    Edited by Thevampirenight on March 2, 2016 10:07AM
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    We are all undead, though. Isn't being an abomination against life enough?


    It is right at this time period that the Mages Guild, the most influential group of scholars and mages in Tamriel, bans necromancy and begins altered teachings on the ways of Soul Trapping. It happens now because of the Worm Cult and, well, the planemelding, apocalypse bringing Soul Burst. So, popular Soul Trap spell withstanding, do you really want to be outlawed from every city, town, village and settlement, potentially denied service even by the traveling merchants?

    While necromancy was tolerated to some extent, the dead need to rest. Even their spirits tell you this. There are very few souls (primarily necromancers) who do not loathe being stuck on Nirn after death. Being a necromancer, especially now, is making an enemy of Nirn and Aetherius.
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    What I don't understand about you people is why the hell be a necromancer in ESO? Have you never played a TES game before? Summoning flimsy ass skeletons and zombies that fall apart as they move are the most inferior of CONJURATION magicks.

    The only reason mannimarco is worth a *** is because he is in bed with a DAEDRIC prince. Who aspires to puppeteer a bunch of ancient mortal bones around?

    Summon Xivilai. Summon Daedroth. Summon Storm Atronach. Do these spells mean nothing to you?
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    When they did a servery on what people would want to see as a pet class, The most voted for was necromancer. People very much want to play as necromancers in elder scrolls online. It would make sense for the story line say you were a necromancer that never served or refused to serve Mannimarco and he went and sacrificed you to Molag Bal because of this.
    Necromancer would be a good addition to the game as a class.

    In one of the AD quests you meet such a necromancer. I still think it more likely that you can join Molag Bal in the future and he could grant you necromantic abilities.

    No he is your sworn enemy. You have to fight him basically twice once in main story and the other time in the imperial sewers . Why would he give you such abilities no I would rather have them added into the game by a class or a skill line preferably a class. I would support a Coldhabour skill line that basically Molag Bal gives you temp command of his mace for defeating him an ult that allows you to wield the mace for five seconds as well as the ability to summon a Coldhabour flame atronoch.
    Necromancy should if not added as a class be a world skill tree line you can learn or just added as a class, with it as a class there would be more options and abilities.

    The Daedric princes are gearing up for a war amongst themselves. You have already defeated one prince, Molag Bal and its not hard to see why other princes would seek your aid. Anyhow myself and several others have pointed out that Molag bal makes a number of statements and claims if you continue destroying Dark Anchors after the end of the main quest.

    "I don't want revenge I want your submission."
    "Throw aside the pawns my knight until one day you are taken unawares!"
    "You shall be the killing blow against our enemies!"
    "Your time in my realm has made you strong....as was expected"
    "Bend your knee to me and you shall have your army."
    "The king of worms served me poorly, perhaps you will do better"
    "Mannimarco's failures are your opportunities, return to my realm and serve me!"

    In short I believe it is clear that Molag Bal wants you to join him, he wants you to kick the web out of Mephala. I think Abnur Tharn has something to do with this. I can even imagine what some of this dialog may be.

    "All I have done was to prepare you for this task!"

    Molag bal is the lord of schemes so I would not believe him and at any rate I would already throw in my lot with Hermeus Mora. It seems to me that MB would grant you necromantic powers the same as he has for others who have served him, such as Angof the Gravesinger and the guy from the EP quest line. Also the quote in my previous post.

    "I shall give you a minion for each enemy you kill, you shall have an army."

    Clearly indicates necromancy/conjuration. What kind of minions? An infinite army of summoned skeletons zombies or wraiths seems altogether likely. Most of all I'm hoping that this "Daedric war" is not merely a DLC but rather a full blown game changing expansion!
    Edited by Storm_knight22 on March 2, 2016 10:37AM
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  • Armann
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    Bossdonut wrote: »
    What I don't understand about you people is why the hell be a necromancer in ESO? Have you never played a TES game before? Summoning flimsy ass skeletons and zombies that fall apart as they move are the most inferior of CONJURATION magicks.

    The only reason mannimarco is worth a *** is because he is in bed with a DAEDRIC prince. Who aspires to puppeteer a bunch of ancient mortal bones around?

    Summon Xivilai. Summon Daedroth. Summon Storm Atronach. Do these spells mean nothing to you?

    Flimsy? Strongest, as in most tanky summon was these guys in Skyrim

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    And in Oblivion the Zombie/Headless Zombie was very tanky as well.

    Screw Molag Bal, let us make deals with the Ideal Masters ourselves.
    Edited by Armann on March 2, 2016 10:35AM
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  • Storm_knight22
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    Ffastyl wrote: »
    We are all undead, though. Isn't being an abomination against life enough?


    It is right at this time period that the Mages Guild, the most influential group of scholars and mages in Tamriel, bans necromancy and begins altered teachings on the ways of Soul Trapping. It happens now because of the Worm Cult and, well, the planemelding, apocalypse bringing Soul Burst. So, popular Soul Trap spell withstanding, do you really want to be outlawed from every city, town, village and settlement, potentially denied service even by the traveling merchants?

    While necromancy was tolerated to some extent, the dead need to rest. Even their spirits tell you this. There are very few souls (primarily necromancers) who do not loathe being stuck on Nirn after death. Being a necromancer, especially now, is making an enemy of Nirn and Aetherius.

    Wrong on two points! Necromancy will not be banned by the Mages Guild for another 800 years during the Oblivion Crisis and the college of Winterhold never banned it at all. Also as far as being a traitor to Nirn you can join the Dark Brotherhood. Do you know the event that precipitated the Second Era? It was the assassination of the emperor Reman III. Care to guess the culpable party in that was? The event that brought about the "Three Banners War" was the assassination of the Akaviri potentates. Again a certain Black Hand stand guilty...

    So if you can join DB you ought to be able to summon skeletons.
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  • Bossdonut
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    Armann wrote: »
    Bossdonut wrote: »
    What I don't understand about you people is why the hell be a necromancer in ESO? Have you never played a TES game before? Summoning flimsy ass skeletons and zombies that fall apart as they move are the most inferior of CONJURATION magicks.

    The only reason mannimarco is worth a *** is because he is in bed with a DAEDRIC prince. Who aspires to puppeteer a bunch of ancient mortal bones around?

    Summon Xivilai. Summon Daedroth. Summon Storm Atronach. Do these spells mean nothing to you?

    Flimsy? Strongest, as in most tanky summon was these guys in Skyrim

    30j048x.png

    And in Oblivion the Zombie/Headless Zombie was very tanky as well.

    Screw Molag Bal, let us make deals with the Ideal Masters ourselves.

    Skyrim plot armor. Draugur melt in eso. True conjurors summon d3adrea
  • Armann
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    Bossdonut wrote: »
    Armann wrote: »
    Bossdonut wrote: »
    What I don't understand about you people is why the hell be a necromancer in ESO? Have you never played a TES game before? Summoning flimsy ass skeletons and zombies that fall apart as they move are the most inferior of CONJURATION magicks.

    The only reason mannimarco is worth a *** is because he is in bed with a DAEDRIC prince. Who aspires to puppeteer a bunch of ancient mortal bones around?

    Summon Xivilai. Summon Daedroth. Summon Storm Atronach. Do these spells mean nothing to you?

    Flimsy? Strongest, as in most tanky summon was these guys in Skyrim

    30j048x.png

    And in Oblivion the Zombie/Headless Zombie was very tanky as well.

    Screw Molag Bal, let us make deals with the Ideal Masters ourselves.

    Skyrim plot armor. Draugur melt in eso. True conjurors summon d3adrea

    What plot armor are you talking about, those are not Draugr.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYCWAuHK3nY

    But yes, conjurers summon daedra, and necromancers the undead.
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    This is just such a surprise idea. Neromancer? Really?

    What is he gonna do? Make dead bodies fight for him? -well there is a sorc class with pets and those pets are quite useless

    What else? Drain life? - but wait, we already have a magicka nb

    People just want their class to be called necromancer, not to actually have a necro class.
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    Because if there were Necromancers then the poor little Bosmer would go hungry!
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  • Lolssi
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    Why are there classes?
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  • yelloweyedemon
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    Necromancy is a crime. It was never do-able in any of the previous ES games. Also the main story is about fighting necromancy...
    Lolssi wrote: »
    Why are there classes?

    Because every ES game except Skyrim had classes.
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    There should be a necromancy skill line for sorcerers.

    As a side note, I don't like the word sorcerer. It's one of those words that gets stuck in your mouth and feels redundant on the way out. I don't know why it can't just be mage instead. I mean, Mage's Guild. You'd think they'd be mages.
    Edited by Tabbycat on March 2, 2016 11:53AM
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  • Storm_knight22
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    OLIVI3R wrote: »
    This is just such a surprise idea. Neromancer? Really?

    What is he gonna do? Make dead bodies fight for him? -well there is a sorc class with pets and those pets are quite useless

    What else? Drain life? - but wait, we already have a magicka nb

    People just want their class to be called necromancer, not to actually have a necro class.

    If you really think that then you haven't been paying attention to the game! Look at some of the cool abilities that necromancer and bone shamans have!

    Gripping skeleton hands that come out of the ground and root you!
    Fear, slow weakness effects!
    Summon undead say like the three bone flayers that some Bone Colossi can summon or come to that an ultimate that would summon a bone colossus or a chill of bones!
    Edited by Storm_knight22 on March 2, 2016 12:07PM
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  • Lolssi
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    Because every ES game except Skyrim had classes.
    Maybe I should have phrased it differently... Why do classes restrict skill lines? :)

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    Because it would be hard to play if you get tons of bounty when anyone sees you casting necromantic abilities. ;)
    People of Tamriel hate necromancers in other games, and in ESO order of the Worm and its boss are the main antagonists...
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  • yelloweyedemon
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    Lolssi wrote: »
    Because every ES game except Skyrim had classes.
    Maybe I should have phrased it differently... Why do classes restrict skill lines? :)

    Because this is an MMO and not a single player game where you are a god who gets the best skills available all in one character.

    You are a dude who got his soul stolen, you are neither a champion of Cyrodiil who is sword to protect Martin, nor a Dragonborn...
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