Rofl at the Vicious Death Set..

HoloYoitsu · February 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So are people still complaining about this set?

I'm sure you guys can handle stepping more than 5m away from the crown. It's time for you to man up and leave the house.

Seriously, don't zerg problem solved.

Whats the problem?

Anymore cute one liners, or are you ready to actually addresss some of the thought out, in depth criticisms of VD that have been posted throughout this thread? You know, with critical thinking instead of parroting some nonsensical one liners.

I'm waiting.

Oh i was going too, then i read this page and it looks like people are just crying and then comparing their e-pen on how many mmorpg they have played. Such good well thought out criticism's, i see what your talking about.

Do i have the time to re read all 21 pages of it? No i don't.

Care to enlighten me on the 'well though't out criticisms'

If you can't be assed to read what you're criticizing, then no I won't be assed to baby you.

Derra · February 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I think it´s futile to discuss this further.

You think pushing 1 button and moving in close formation should be enough to win a fight - i don´t. We simply disagree.

I think you underestimate how many buttons people use.

Since it´s pretty clear how many buttons they´re pushing when they only use one skill for the entirety of a fight i don´t know where you want to go with that statement?

Are you going to argue about the use of WASD to move their character as a spectecular display of dexterity because they managed to not run into a tree while hammering one skill - is it that what you´re suggesting?

Derra · February 2016

Satiar wrote: »

You know, I think I'd like this set a lot of it worked in reverse. You put it on and upon your death you explode for 15k+ fire damage to all enemies around you. You could have some real fun with that. Meteor + Prox + Spell Sym oh my godddd

So you want every attempt to try go an kill one of your lagtrains will result in 100% certainty of death because IF you manage to kill someone out of one of those they will blow you apart as they die?

I mean i get where you´re coming from. It´s not enough that it´s the only playstyle capable of taking part in objective pvp. LETS BUFF THIS CORNERCUTTING I NEVER EVEN SWITCH TO MY SECOND SKILLBAR PLAYSTYLE EVEN MORE. Lets create a set that guarantees that anyone who manages to kill people out of this idiotball will get immolated and burned to ashes immediatly for the blasphemic action of even trying to oppose the immortal lagtraingods of eso.

Dude are you for real?

Satiar · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I think it´s futile to discuss this further.

You think pushing 1 button and moving in close formation should be enough to win a fight - i don´t. We simply disagree.

I think you underestimate how many buttons people use.

Since it´s pretty clear how many buttons they´re pushing when they only use one skill for the entirety of a fight i don´t know where you want to go with that statement?

Are you going to argue about the use of WASD to move their character as a spectecular display of dexterity because they managed to not run into a tree while hammering one skill - is it that what you´re suggesting?

I'm surprised you think people should have many attacks on thier bar. Even as a ganker I primarily used 1-2 attacks, the rest being buffs, heals. Etc. Conservation of bar space is real.

I may only have 1-2 attacks on my bars but I'm using the rest as damage buffs, damage shields, CC, mobility, etc.

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Derra · February 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I think it´s futile to discuss this further.

You think pushing 1 button and moving in close formation should be enough to win a fight - i don´t. We simply disagree.

I think you underestimate how many buttons people use.

Since it´s pretty clear how many buttons they´re pushing when they only use one skill for the entirety of a fight i don´t know where you want to go with that statement?

Are you going to argue about the use of WASD to move their character as a spectecular display of dexterity because they managed to not run into a tree while hammering one skill - is it that what you´re suggesting?

I'm surprised you think people should have many attacks on thier bar. Even as a ganker I primarily used 1-2 attacks, the rest being buffs, heals. Etc. Conservation of bar space is real.

I may only have 1-2 attacks on my bars but I'm using the rest as damage buffs, damage shields, CC, mobility, etc.

Steeltornado and ambush? Just a guess

I would not have written using only one skill if they´d use more than one skill. I did not write one attack. I wrote one skill.

leepalmer95 · February 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So are people still complaining about this set?

I'm sure you guys can handle stepping more than 5m away from the crown. It's time for you to man up and leave the house.

Seriously, don't zerg problem solved.

Whats the problem?

Anymore cute one liners, or are you ready to actually addresss some of the thought out, in depth criticisms of VD that have been posted throughout this thread? You know, with critical thinking instead of parroting some nonsensical one liners.

I'm waiting.

Oh i was going too, then i read this page and it looks like people are just crying and then comparing their e-pen on how many mmorpg they have played. Such good well thought out criticism's, i see what your talking about.

Do i have the time to re read all 21 pages of it? No i don't.

Care to enlighten me on the 'well though't out criticisms'

If you can't be assed to read what you're criticizing, then no I won't be assed to baby you.

No i can't be bothered too read what i assume is going to be a wasted thread based on the last 2 pages.

But anyway have fun discussing other mmorpg's.

Satiar · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I think it´s futile to discuss this further.

You think pushing 1 button and moving in close formation should be enough to win a fight - i don´t. We simply disagree.

I think you underestimate how many buttons people use.

Since it´s pretty clear how many buttons they´re pushing when they only use one skill for the entirety of a fight i don´t know where you want to go with that statement?

Are you going to argue about the use of WASD to move their character as a spectecular display of dexterity because they managed to not run into a tree while hammering one skill - is it that what you´re suggesting?

I'm surprised you think people should have many attacks on thier bar. Even as a ganker I primarily used 1-2 attacks, the rest being buffs, heals. Etc. Conservation of bar space is real.

I may only have 1-2 attacks on my bars but I'm using the rest as damage buffs, damage shields, CC, mobility, etc.

Steeltornado and ambush? Just a guess

I would not have written using only one skill if they´d use more than one skill. I did not write one attack. I wrote one skill.

Hate the game not the player

Remind me again why you losing to people who only use 1/10 skill slots is relevant ?

Derra · February 2016

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude imo. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Satiar · February 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So are people still complaining about this set?

I'm sure you guys can handle stepping more than 5m away from the crown. It's time for you to man up and leave the house.

Seriously, don't zerg problem solved.

Whats the problem?

Anymore cute one liners, or are you ready to actually addresss some of the thought out, in depth criticisms of VD that have been posted throughout this thread? You know, with critical thinking instead of parroting some nonsensical one liners.

I'm waiting.

Oh i was going too, then i read this page and it looks like people are just crying and then comparing their e-pen on how many mmorpg they have played. Such good well thought out criticism's, i see what your talking about.

Do i have the time to re read all 21 pages of it? No i don't.

Care to enlighten me on the 'well though't out criticisms'

If you can't be assed to read what you're criticizing, then no I won't be assed to baby you.

No i can't be bothered too read what i assume is going to be a wasted thread based on the last 2 pages.

But anyway have fun discussing other mmorpg's.

The joke is everyone already making fun of the guy talking about other MMOs but you aren't reading so you don't get that lol

Satiar · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

Derra · February 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Iyas · February 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

get good by abusing mechanics like aoe cap? no thanks

PosternHouse · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Do you have a decent source for this or are you just projecting your hopes and desires onto Camelot Unchained without basis?

Satiar · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Good players adapt to the game. If the game is designed around a smaller team that is whatever wil be running. I appreciate your concern tho.

Are we done now with the "min-maxing in a MMORPG is bad" tangent?

Derra · February 2016

PosternHouse wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Do you have a decent source for this or are you just projecting your hopes and desires onto Camelot Unchained without basis?

http://camelotunchained.com/v3/piercing-the-veil-2/

"Kristian Vad Bovtrup asked: I personally loved the 8 man groups in DAoC, how large do you see the groups being in CU?
We are still discussing group size but are comfortable saying that we too like 8 and think it could work in Camelot Unchained."

I´d say it´s safe to assume they won´t magically reach 16 or 24 coming from that statement. I personally think/hope it will be less than the available classes on launch to create diversity in grp setups.

Satiar · February 2016

PosternHouse wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Do you have a decent source for this or are you just projecting your hopes and desires onto Camelot Unchained without basis?

Honestly I hope it's smaller. If the game is designed from the ground up with specific group sizes and content in mind, I'm all for it. I'm just tired of people throwing 80 people at me in THIS game and than trying to guilt trip me for bringing 20. They can gtfo with that lol

Derra · February 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Good players adapt to the game. If the game is designed around a smaller team that is whatever wil be running. I appreciate your concern tho.

Are we done now with the "min-maxing in a MMORPG is bad" tangent?

I´d have no problem with loosing to players actually putting thought into the game. The players i´ve been discribing are only min maxing in terms of: Maximise the amout of ppl you bring to minimise the personal risk while only using one skill ever.

*shrug* I guess everyone understands something different about that term.

Satiar · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Do you have a decent source for this or are you just projecting your hopes and desires onto Camelot Unchained without basis?

http://camelotunchained.com/v3/piercing-the-veil-2/

"Kristian Vad Bovtrup asked: I personally loved the 8 man groups in DAoC, how large do you see the groups being in CU?
We are still discussing group size but are comfortable saying that we too like 8 and think it could work in Camelot Unchained."

I´d say it´s safe to assume they won´t magically reach 16 or 24 coming from that statement. I personally think it will be less than the available classes on launch to create diversity in grp setups.

From what I've read and listened in the interviews, it will likely end up being between 8 and 12. It seems good to me for the number of classes they have, and allows you to run multiple groups that specialize and support each other.

I'd love to do that in this game but honestly it'd just make it too easy.

Soulac · February 2016

PosternHouse wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Do you have a decent source for this or are you just projecting your hopes and desires onto Camelot Unchained without basis?

There are enough hints in the forum pointing towards groups of maximum 8 players.
CU will / want to support large scale combat, but not large groups.
I'm also pretty sure that stacking will have huge consequences. Spamming one button won't work either btw.

Satiar · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Good players adapt to the game. If the game is designed around a smaller team that is whatever wil be running. I appreciate your concern tho.

Are we done now with the "min-maxing in a MMORPG is bad" tangent?

I´d have no problem with loosing to players actually putting thought into the game. The players i´ve been discribing are only min maxing in terms of: Maximise the amout of ppl you bring to minimise the personal risk while only using one skill ever.

*shrug* I guess everyone understands something different about that term.

I'm trying to charitably interpret that you're not losing fights to terrible players that literally only use one skill, but you keep on giving pushback lol. If you can't figure out how to beat players *that* bad than I dunno what to tell you.

Perhaps try using your abilities?

Derra · February 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Do you have a decent source for this or are you just projecting your hopes and desires onto Camelot Unchained without basis?

http://camelotunchained.com/v3/piercing-the-veil-2/

"Kristian Vad Bovtrup asked: I personally loved the 8 man groups in DAoC, how large do you see the groups being in CU?
We are still discussing group size but are comfortable saying that we too like 8 and think it could work in Camelot Unchained."

I´d say it´s safe to assume they won´t magically reach 16 or 24 coming from that statement. I personally think it will be less than the available classes on launch to create diversity in grp setups.

From what I've read and listened in the interviews, it will likely end up being between 8 and 12. It seems good to me for the number of classes they have, and allows you to run multiple groups that specialize and support each other.

I'd love to do that in this game but honestly it'd just make it too easy.

I really hope cross grp support will be limited either via the UI or with having mostly grp not aoe centric spells and support abilities because if that´s not the case you get into the same boat gw2 and eso are in. More people = more win which is ultimately not desireable as you loose the "less ppl" fraction of the playerbase.

PosternHouse · February 2016

Soulac wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Do you have a decent source for this or are you just projecting your hopes and desires onto Camelot Unchained without basis?

There are enough hints in the forum pointing towards groups of maximum 8 players.
CU will / want to support large scale combat, but not large groups.
I'm also pretty sure that stacking will have huge consequences. Spamming one button won't work either btw.

If there are overt statements by developers I'd take that as a sign. But interpreting "hints in the forum" is inconclusive at best. If there are statements regarding the group size I wouldn't mind reading them if someone has links.

I can't tell if your tone is accusatory or not because internet words and lack of irl body language lol. But if CU caps at 8 then in groups of 8 all of us shall play. Also, I don't think anyone likes stacking. People like doing what gives them the competitive edge. If that meant 24 people using trapping webs, that's what they'd do. Rest assured, in CU there will be tactics that pisses everyone off because they are strong, cheesy, or whatever.

Satiar · February 2016

Soulac wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Do you have a decent source for this or are you just projecting your hopes and desires onto Camelot Unchained without basis?

There are enough hints in the forum pointing towards groups of maximum 8 players.
CU will / want to support large scale combat, but not large groups.
I'm also pretty sure that stacking will have huge consequences. Spamming one button won't work either btw.

The combat system thankfully won't be spammy. I think everyone is glad for that. The higher the skill ceiling the better, it's been frustrating to see it continually lowered in this game to the place we are at now, where the meta can be boiled down to "BOOM!!" (This new meta brought to you by Michael Bay)

PosternHouse · February 2016

I really liked the style chaining in DAoC and hope something like that returns. With clipping being a thing, really strong positional styles would be awesome too.

Satiar · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Do you have a decent source for this or are you just projecting your hopes and desires onto Camelot Unchained without basis?

http://camelotunchained.com/v3/piercing-the-veil-2/

"Kristian Vad Bovtrup asked: I personally loved the 8 man groups in DAoC, how large do you see the groups being in CU?
We are still discussing group size but are comfortable saying that we too like 8 and think it could work in Camelot Unchained."

I´d say it´s safe to assume they won´t magically reach 16 or 24 coming from that statement. I personally think it will be less than the available classes on launch to create diversity in grp setups.

From what I've read and listened in the interviews, it will likely end up being between 8 and 12. It seems good to me for the number of classes they have, and allows you to run multiple groups that specialize and support each other.

I'd love to do that in this game but honestly it'd just make it too easy.

I really hope cross grp support will be limited either via the UI or with having mostly grp not aoe centric spells and support abilities because if that´s not the case you get into the same boat gw2 and eso are in. More people = more win which is ultimately not desireable as you loose the "less ppl" fraction of the playerbase.

I mean, the best part of open world PvP is the battlefield. If people want organized 4v4 or 8v8 combat I really dont know why you'd go to an RvRvR to get it. Coordinating and engaging in big battles is almost the entire point.

Jaybe_Mawfaka · February 2016

Zergers are already crying in this thread even before the live :DD gonna be so fun to melt them down in the next patch pewpewpew after they will have to stop ballstacking on crown with 24-72 ppl

Derra · February 2016

Satiar wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Do you have a decent source for this or are you just projecting your hopes and desires onto Camelot Unchained without basis?

There are enough hints in the forum pointing towards groups of maximum 8 players.
CU will / want to support large scale combat, but not large groups.
I'm also pretty sure that stacking will have huge consequences. Spamming one button won't work either btw.

The combat system thankfully won't be spammy. I think everyone is glad for that. The higher the skill ceiling the better, it's been frustrating to see it continually lowered in this game to the place we are at now, where the meta can be boiled down to "BOOM!!" (This new meta brought to you by Michael Bay)

Well the player sure did not like the fast paced quick reaction time 1.6 combat. It´s almost as bad as 1.5 nowadays.

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Good players adapt to the game. If the game is designed around a smaller team that is whatever wil be running. I appreciate your concern tho.

Are we done now with the "min-maxing in a MMORPG is bad" tangent?

I´d have no problem with loosing to players actually putting thought into the game. The players i´ve been discribing are only min maxing in terms of: Maximise the amout of ppl you bring to minimise the personal risk while only using one skill ever.

*shrug* I guess everyone understands something different about that term.

I'm trying to charitably interpret that you're not losing fights to terrible players that literally only use one skill, but you keep on giving pushback lol. If you can't figure out how to beat players *that* bad than I dunno what to tell you.

Perhaps try using your abilities?

You mean like: Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush?
While your friend is like: BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL?
And that one guy in the back: Snipe snipe snipe snipe snipe snipe snipe snipe?

Sorry that´s excatly the problem. Using only one skill only works when you are outnumbering the opponent - not when you´re outnumbered. You would know that if you´d ever been in the latter situation.

So i´m taking your charity with the same enthusiams as i´d shake the left hand of a farmer in india.

Satiar · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Do you have a decent source for this or are you just projecting your hopes and desires onto Camelot Unchained without basis?

There are enough hints in the forum pointing towards groups of maximum 8 players.
CU will / want to support large scale combat, but not large groups.
I'm also pretty sure that stacking will have huge consequences. Spamming one button won't work either btw.

The combat system thankfully won't be spammy. I think everyone is glad for that. The higher the skill ceiling the better, it's been frustrating to see it continually lowered in this game to the place we are at now, where the meta can be boiled down to "BOOM!!" (This new meta brought to you by Michael Bay)

Well the player sure did not like the fast paced quick reaction time 1.6 combat. It´s almost as bad as 1.5 nowadays.

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Good players adapt to the game. If the game is designed around a smaller team that is whatever wil be running. I appreciate your concern tho.

Are we done now with the "min-maxing in a MMORPG is bad" tangent?

I´d have no problem with loosing to players actually putting thought into the game. The players i´ve been discribing are only min maxing in terms of: Maximise the amout of ppl you bring to minimise the personal risk while only using one skill ever.

*shrug* I guess everyone understands something different about that term.

I'm trying to charitably interpret that you're not losing fights to terrible players that literally only use one skill, but you keep on giving pushback lol. If you can't figure out how to beat players *that* bad than I dunno what to tell you.

Perhaps try using your abilities?

You mean like: Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush?
While your friend is like: BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL?
And that one guy in the back: Snipe snipe snipe snipe snipe snipe snipe snipe?

Sorry that´s excatly the problem. Using only one skill only works when you are outnumbering the opponent - not when you´re outnumbered. You would know that if you´d ever been in the latter situation.

So i´m taking your charity with the same enthusiams as i´d shake the left hand of a farmer in india.

Fair enough. I'll return with the statement you can't have it both ways. You cannot claim the people fighting you are terrible one button baddies AND expect sympathy from anyone that they killed you. There are a tremendous number of 1vX or 3-4vX videos out there, so the fact that you're unable to kill people you unabashedly label as bad players should cause you to look inwards.

Perhaps looking at your abilities, finding the strong ones and streamlining your strategies and builds around those is a good place to start?

Satiar · February 2016

Besides, when 1vXing you need EVERY spot on your bar to be effective. Why clutter space with superfluous attacks when you need every single one for buffs, heals and sustain? Find what works, build around it, get good.

Ghost-Shot · February 2016

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Do you have a decent source for this or are you just projecting your hopes and desires onto Camelot Unchained without basis?

There are enough hints in the forum pointing towards groups of maximum 8 players.
CU will / want to support large scale combat, but not large groups.
I'm also pretty sure that stacking will have huge consequences. Spamming one button won't work either btw.

The combat system thankfully won't be spammy. I think everyone is glad for that. The higher the skill ceiling the better, it's been frustrating to see it continually lowered in this game to the place we are at now, where the meta can be boiled down to "BOOM!!" (This new meta brought to you by Michael Bay)

Well the player sure did not like the fast paced quick reaction time 1.6 combat. It´s almost as bad as 1.5 nowadays.

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

You're working real hard to police the gameplay of people who seem to have a better grasp of how to play than you.

Sure if abusing every broken mechanic or skill not working as intended to the maximum is a better grasp of how to play in your book - i admit i have to l2p in that regard. I just don´t want to.

Pretty revealing about someones character to run around with such an attitude i have to admit. You´re not trying out bdo by chance?

Almost as if some skills are better than others and work together with other good skills. In a game players do this thing called min maxing which means finding the best combos and builds and using them. If you don't want to get good, at least try not hating on everyone who did.

Also helllll no to BDO. CU is our future destination.

They won´t support your grpsize most likely though

Good players adapt to the game. If the game is designed around a smaller team that is whatever wil be running. I appreciate your concern tho.

Are we done now with the "min-maxing in a MMORPG is bad" tangent?

I´d have no problem with loosing to players actually putting thought into the game. The players i´ve been discribing are only min maxing in terms of: Maximise the amout of ppl you bring to minimise the personal risk while only using one skill ever.

*shrug* I guess everyone understands something different about that term.

I'm trying to charitably interpret that you're not losing fights to terrible players that literally only use one skill, but you keep on giving pushback lol. If you can't figure out how to beat players *that* bad than I dunno what to tell you.

Perhaps try using your abilities?

You mean like: Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush Ambush?
While your friend is like: BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL BOL?
And that one guy in the back: Snipe snipe snipe snipe snipe snipe snipe snipe?

Sorry that´s excatly the problem. Using only one skill only works when you are outnumbering the opponent - not when you´re outnumbered. You would know that if you´d ever been in the latter situation.

So i´m taking your charity with the same enthusiams as i´d shake the left hand of a farmer in india.

Can you actually go get some experience before commenting here? I personally runt he EXACT same rotation if we are 8 people as I do if we are 24. Theres no need for more than 1 AoE ability and 1 single target ability save for maybe adding an execute. The res are buffs and group utility that for the most part don't need to be spammed unless you fail to understand how the games buff system works. Or would you prefer me to cast rally after every single tornado, would that be better?