Derra wrote: »

Gotta love how those 24 slot guild raid not zergers are stroking each others e
gos about playing in a (large) grp.

Especially goodtimes when one knows that nothing about a set requiring massive playstyle/build adjustments will get changed. Atleast i´m on the l2p side now after shieldbreaker happened.

l2p all not zergers that are stacking on crown

LegendaryChef wrote: »

This thread just reminds me of when shield breaker got introduced. All sorcs (including myself) whined about it day and day out but it's still here today and I have learned to deal with it.

This time all zergers whining and it will most likely go live as it is which I do support as I had to put up with brainless monkeys with weighted bows spamming me with shield breaker so your zergs that are ruining the games performance for everyone can have a turn of being blown up by a small coordinated group, seems fair right?

Zergs no longer being god mode will hopefully push players to make smaller groups and actually improve themselves as a player instead of worrying which barrier number they were and how far away from their zerg king/queen's *** they are. A step in the right direction IMO.

" Think outside the box " comes to mind

Elong wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Rofl...Woke up to 53 new posts from people crying about me mentioning DAOC and how no MMOs have any other relation to this unique snowflake of a game.

Its so adorable how many first time MMO players are in this game..I'm really surprised Vehemence managed to get so many newcomers *grin*

Oooooh look out guys he's played a lot of MMO's, we're just a bunch of peasant first time MMO gamers. We should take him seriously in spite of the fact that he hasn't figured out he's not playing DAoC.

I'm surprised you've not figured out you're playing an MMO yet

You're just adorable....

Tells someone they can't figure out they're playing an MMO.

Doesn't understand what the M and M stand for in MMO.

I lol'd irl.

Takllin wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Rofl...Woke up to 53 new posts from people crying about me mentioning DAOC and how no MMOs have any other relation to this unique snowflake of a game.

Its so adorable how many first time MMO players are in this game..I'm really surprised Vehemence managed to get so many newcomers *grin*

Oooooh look out guys he's played a lot of MMO's, we're just a bunch of peasant first time MMO gamers. We should take him seriously in spite of the fact that he hasn't figured out he's not playing DAoC.

I'm surprised you've not figured out you're playing an MMO yet

You're just adorable....

Tells someone they can't figure out they're playing an MMO.

Doesn't understand what the M and M stand for in MMO.

Under 5 is clearly massive to some people

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Takllin wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Rofl...Woke up to 53 new posts from people crying about me mentioning DAOC and how no MMOs have any other relation to this unique snowflake of a game.

Its so adorable how many first time MMO players are in this game..I'm really surprised Vehemence managed to get so many newcomers *grin*

Oooooh look out guys he's played a lot of MMO's, we're just a bunch of peasant first time MMO gamers. We should take him seriously in spite of the fact that he hasn't figured out he's not playing DAoC.

I'm surprised you've not figured out you're playing an MMO yet

You're just adorable....

Tells someone they can't figure out they're playing an MMO.

Doesn't understand what the M and M stand for in MMO.

Under 5 is clearly massive to some people

So UO wasn't an MMO? Since it didn't have a group UI at all?

Maybe you newcomers to MMOs should practice more.
Your game is weak lol.

Elong wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Rofl...Woke up to 53 new posts from people crying about me mentioning DAOC and how no MMOs have any other relation to this unique snowflake of a game.

Its so adorable how many first time MMO players are in this game..I'm really surprised Vehemence managed to get so many newcomers *grin*

Oooooh look out guys he's played a lot of MMO's, we're just a bunch of peasant first time MMO gamers. We should take him seriously in spite of the fact that he hasn't figured out he's not playing DAoC.

I'm surprised you've not figured out you're playing an MMO yet

You're just adorable....

Tells someone they can't figure out they're playing an MMO.

Doesn't understand what the M and M stand for in MMO.

Let's see; multiple MMOs have came out over the years; a substantial amount had limited groups of 4-8 players....

Yet they still were called MMOs

It's almost as if you don't know what an MMO is.... Kind of like how ya don't actually know what a group was either....

*grin*

Just adorable...

But we're talking about ESO, not DAOC. Any other game is irrelevant to this discussion.

But DAOC. And also DAOC.

Xsorus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Rofl...Woke up to 53 new posts from people crying about me mentioning DAOC and how no MMOs have any other relation to this unique snowflake of a game.

Its so adorable how many first time MMO players are in this game..I'm really surprised Vehemence managed to get so many newcomers *grin*

Oooooh look out guys he's played a lot of MMO's, we're just a bunch of peasant first time MMO gamers. We should take him seriously in spite of the fact that he hasn't figured out he's not playing DAoC.

I'm surprised you've not figured out you're playing an MMO yet

You're just adorable....

Tells someone they can't figure out they're playing an MMO.

Doesn't understand what the M and M stand for in MMO.

Let's see; multiple MMOs have came out over the years; a substantial amount had limited groups of 4-8 players....

Yet they still were called MMOs

It's almost as if you don't know what an MMO is.... Kind of like how ya don't actually know what a group was either....

*grin*

Just adorable...

But we're talking about ESO, not DAOC. Any other game is irrelevant to this discussion.

So you don't think ESO is an MMO? Cause I'm assuming you how game classification works...or maybe you wanna just own up to your terrible point right now.

Whatever you just said literally makes no sense.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Rofl...Woke up to 53 new posts from people crying about me mentioning DAOC and how no MMOs have any other relation to this unique snowflake of a game.

Its so adorable how many first time MMO players are in this game..I'm really surprised Vehemence managed to get so many newcomers *grin*

Oooooh look out guys he's played a lot of MMO's, we're just a bunch of peasant first time MMO gamers. We should take him seriously in spite of the fact that he hasn't figured out he's not playing DAoC.

I'm surprised you've not figured out you're playing an MMO yet

You're just adorable....

Tells someone they can't figure out they're playing an MMO.

Doesn't understand what the M and M stand for in MMO.

Let's see; multiple MMOs have came out over the years; a substantial amount had limited groups of 4-8 players....

Yet they still were called MMOs

It's almost as if you don't know what an MMO is.... Kind of like how ya don't actually know what a group was either....

*grin*

Just adorable...

But we're talking about ESO, not DAOC. Any other game is irrelevant to this discussion.

But DAOC. And also DAOC.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Rofl...Woke up to 53 new posts from people crying about me mentioning DAOC and how no MMOs have any other relation to this unique snowflake of a game.

Its so adorable how many first time MMO players are in this game..I'm really surprised Vehemence managed to get so many newcomers *grin*

Oooooh look out guys he's played a lot of MMO's, we're just a bunch of peasant first time MMO gamers. We should take him seriously in spite of the fact that he hasn't figured out he's not playing DAoC.

I'm surprised you've not figured out you're playing an MMO yet

You're just adorable....

Tells someone they can't figure out they're playing an MMO.

Doesn't understand what the M and M stand for in MMO.

Let's see; multiple MMOs have came out over the years; a substantial amount had limited groups of 4-8 players....

Yet they still were called MMOs

It's almost as if you don't know what an MMO is.... Kind of like how ya don't actually know what a group was either....

*grin*

Just adorable...

But we're talking about ESO, not DAOC. Any other game is irrelevant to this discussion.

So you don't think ESO is an MMO? Cause I'm assuming you how game classification works...or maybe you wanna just own up to your terrible point right now.

Whatever you just said literally makes no sense.

a simple "I don't know what I'm talking about" will work. You don't have to sugar coat your lack of knowledge.

Elong wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c

to quote Drutt Jr. "Why you dodging?"

5vX? Nah bruh.

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Gotta love how those 24 slot guild raid not zergers are stroking each others e
gos about playing in a (large) grp.

Especially goodtimes when one knows that nothing about a set requiring massive playstyle/build adjustments will get changed. Atleast i´m on the l2p side now after shieldbreaker happened.

l2p all not zergers that are stacking on crown

Guilds will adapt. Better than most, really, because having a good group means we get to synergise builds, sets and play styles to properly adjust.

Still a stupid bandaid lazy fix set tho

Pretty sure of that.

And i agree that fixing the underlying gamemechanical problems would be a million times more desireable. Pretty much agree 100% on everything you´ve said what´s wrong with the pvp/game.

We just differ in you prefer the current version over what´s currently on pts and i´d love for pts version to be live yesterday. It´s the first time in 9 months things actually might (and i´m not even sure) improve for our playstyle. Currently it´s horrible.

Still this set will make my/our smallgrp play more enjoyable and simply being a theoretical threat to some grps might change the current toxic"chase those ap smallscale piniatats until they´re dead" mentality.

I don't chase small groups in general unless they bother me. I'm objective based and go after big fights, keeps and scrolls. The easiest way to not die to my raid is to not gank my back line lol. 9/10 times if you're not attacking I won't even let my guys get off thier horse to hit you.

I'm still just upset at all these changes happening at once. Feels like the devs giving up and trying to just scrap organized groups to compensate. I guess I dunno how you think this will improve your playstyle. Baddies will still be bad and you can kill them, good players will still be a challenge, organized raids will still be something to avoid unless you have a Zerg or a raid of your own. How is this going to improve your playstyle? What groups can you not kill now that you expect to be able to kill next patch, how is this going to positively impact your play?

And honestly who cares if a raid or Zerg hunts you down? Sometimes you run into a bigger fish and get burned for it, same thing happens to me every night, sometimes they realize I've only got a smaller group instead of my normal 20+ and just run at me in a mass of red until every last one of us is dead. It happens lol

But that´s exactly the problem. I don´t want to open field horseroute wait all day. I want to play objective pvp too with my grp. With the way eso works i can´t.

The problem i have when a zerg or raid hunts me down? I have no idea how it works on US but on the EU server we have multiple enemy open field grps that run around and will swarm and zerg you if you´re engaging any of their members. There usually consist of the lowest of the low playstyles found in eso: Ambush spamming NBs multiple bol templars reverb bash spamming, 1000ult overlol sorcs - you name it they have it.
The changes coming will directly benefit me when fighting these open field blobs who usually have no idea what to do when put in a situation where mashing one button suddenly isn´t enough anymore.
On EU baddies are organized enough that you can´t kill them anymore most of the times. Nobody likes to loose constantly to players pressing 1 button the whole fight because of crappy gamemechanics.

It´s basically means if people are really bad we can put up a fight again.

If they're as bad as you say, you should be able to kite them to a choke and get good kills. If there's simply THAT many of them no amount of Vicious Death is going to help you You can't tell me they're baddies who have no idea how to play but ALSO tell me they're organized enough that you can't kill them. If they're organized enough you can't kill them, good on them. They've learned, they're improving, they're not dying to
the things they used to die to. I have no idea who you're fighting but I'm always wary of this kind of descriptor. People have called most of the best players to play this game "one button spamming blah blah", so I have no idea if it's a stacked zerg of pugs or an actual organized raid. In either case, VD is only going to do so much to help you here. What we need is AoE Caps removed and dynamic ulti

In the end, if you want to do objectives you need the group for it. Asking the whole game to scale down because you don't want to scale your group up is backwards IMO.

Also, damn that's some judgmental stuff. BoL spam isn't low, it's effective. It's what good templars do in small content and big content. Same for overload sorcs, etc. People hate the ambush spam but it's a damn good gap closer. Same reason people spam wrecking blow. There's only 10 slots on your bar, if you're putting a bunch of different attacks and heals on there you're doing it wrong: find what is effective, than surround it with support/buffs. Nothing low about that at all, that's just smart play.

Derra wrote: »

I think it´s futile to discuss this further.

You think pushing 1 button and moving in close formation should be enough to win a fight - i don´t. We simply disagree.

I think you underestimate how many buttons people use.

So are people still complaining about this set?

I'm sure you guys can handle stepping more than 5m away from the crown. It's time for you to man up and leave the house.

Seriously, don't zerg problem solved.

Whats the problem?

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

So are people still complaining about this set?

I'm sure you guys can handle stepping more than 5m away from the crown. It's time for you to man up and leave the house.

Seriously, don't zerg problem solved.

Whats the problem?

Anymore cute one liners, or are you ready to actually addresss some of the thought out, in depth criticisms of VD that have been posted throughout this thread? You know, with critical thinking instead of parroting some nonsensical one liners.

I'm waiting.

Oh i was going too, then i read this page and it looks like people are just crying and then comparing their e-pen on how many mmorpg they have played. Such good well thought out criticism's, i see what your talking about.

Do i have the time to re read all 21 pages of it? No i don't.

Care to enlighten me on the 'well though't out criticisms'

Satiar wrote: »

You know, I think I'd like this set a lot of it worked in reverse. You put it on and upon your death you explode for 15k+ fire damage to all enemies around you. You could have some real fun with that. Meteor + Prox + Spell Sym oh my godddd

Basically a suicide build xD

Run it with phoenix as well.

I want a stam version with poison damage right *** now!