Why does the Templar charge need a Global Cool Down?

david.haypreub18_ESO · February 2016

It seems pretty clear from the latest round of Templar 'balancing' that the Global Cool Down on the Templar charge (Focused Charge and morphs) is here to stay for good. Templars have asked repeatedly for over a year now for the 0.5 second cool down to be removed; we first assumed it was a bug. When asked straight up about this in an ESO live about a year ago, Eric initially acknowledged it was a 'bug' and 'would be removed'; but within a few weeks he had backtracked and now there is just silence on this issue. So here is my feedback (and that of many other Templars I know): please remove the Global Cool Down on the Templar charge. And if you can't remove it, please explain why the Templar charge needs a GCD when no other charge in the game needs one.

If it is a matter of coding and/or the skill itself, many Templars have offered a solution: simply take one of the charge skills from the weapon skill trees (the 2-Handed or Shield charge), reskin it, and you are done. The vast majority of Templars I know would be happy to have a stale animation if it meant the skill didn't stun the caster.

So please, if you can't fix the skill, at least take 5 seconds to give us the tiniest of explanations why.

Khaos_Bane · February 2016

Wrobel explained it in ESO live, and it is not a bug.

Sallington · February 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Wrobel explained it in ESO live, and it is not a bug.

Did he explain why ever single other gap closer works 100% fine, but charge doesn't?

Khaos_Bane · February 2016

Sallington wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Wrobel explained it in ESO live, and it is not a bug.

Did he explain why ever single other gap closer works 100% fine, but charge doesn't?

No he just explained why it's there for the Templar skill. I'm just letting you know he addressed it specifically last Friday.

Mumyo · February 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Wrobel explained it in ESO live, and it is not a bug.

it also was mentioned in other eso lives as bug xD

If they can not fix a thing, it is not a bug... awesome strategy.

david.haypreub18_ESO · February 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Wrobel explained it in ESO live, and it is not a bug.

Did he explain why ever single other gap closer works 100% fine, but charge doesn't?

No he just explained why it's there for the Templar skill. I'm just letting you know he addressed it specifically last Friday.

I listened to the entire thing; Eric never mentioned the Global Cool Down.

He did talk about Toppling Charge's LoS issues, and how they might try to fix those (he said that it was 'complicated' and that they can only do so much, so I wouldn't hold out much hope there either).

What he did not do last Friday was mention the Global Cool Down at all. Go back and listen to what he said. They are ignoring the GCD issue altogether. Eric said absolutely nothing about the GCD.

bikerangelo · February 2016

It was addressed a while ago as a "fix" for the ability lock out or inability to weapon swap after the charge, but since those are still outstanding issues, I guess it's a feature now. I don't even run it in dungeons though, it breaks too frequently and is a dps waste.

Khaos_Bane · February 2016

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Wrobel explained it in ESO live, and it is not a bug.

Did he explain why ever single other gap closer works 100% fine, but charge doesn't?

No he just explained why it's there for the Templar skill. I'm just letting you know he addressed it specifically last Friday.

I listened to the entire thing; Eric never mentioned the Global Cool Down.

He did talk about Toppling Charge's LoS issues, and how they might try to fix those (he said that it was 'complicated' and that they can only do so much, so I wouldn't hold out much hope there either).

What he did not do last Friday was mention the Global Cool Down at all. Go back and listen to what he said. They are ignoring the GCD issue altogether. Eric said absolutely nothing about the GCD.

My bad. I found the part of ESO live I was thinking about and it was about all gap closers and the half second immobilize on the target.

Leandor · February 2016

I am hard pressed to keep from speaking my mind on some of these issues that get reported for months, in some cases years. Even if it's not a bug, the right thing to do would be change it anyways.

Note to self: smile and wave like queen mum used to do...

Cinbri · February 2016

He also said that disabled charge is result of unability to track path to target. ANd why they didnt just changed it for teleport charge like NBs?!! It won't requare to track path and tho be broken or unusable in lags.

david.haypreub18_ESO · February 2016

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Wrobel explained it in ESO live, and it is not a bug.

Did he explain why ever single other gap closer works 100% fine, but charge doesn't?

No he just explained why it's there for the Templar skill. I'm just letting you know he addressed it specifically last Friday.

I listened to the entire thing; Eric never mentioned the Global Cool Down.

He did talk about Toppling Charge's LoS issues, and how they might try to fix those (he said that it was 'complicated' and that they can only do so much, so I wouldn't hold out much hope there either).

What he did not do last Friday was mention the Global Cool Down at all. Go back and listen to what he said. They are ignoring the GCD issue altogether. Eric said absolutely nothing about the GCD.

My bad. I found the part of ESO live I was thinking about and it was about all gap closers and the half second immobilize on the target.

No worries. I think they have been intentionally vague on this issue because they don't intend to fix it, but they don't really want people to know that. Maybe that is being a bit paranoid, but after two years of bugged skills, it is hard not to get cynical as a Templar.

nagarjunna · February 2016

I know...

Implement a GCD on all charges. There job done!

bikerangelo · February 2016

Also, with the new animation system on the PTS, you can charge up a wb in the middle of your crit rush, but toppling charge still has the GCD.

RoamingRiverElk · February 2016

bikerangelo wrote: »

Also, with the new animation system on the PTS, you can charge up a wb in the middle of your crit rush, but toppling charge still has the GCD.

Looking forward to putting up with this for the next four months.

Edit: Or eight, most likely.

tinythinker · February 2016

bikerangelo wrote: »

It was addressed a while ago as a "fix" for the ability lock out or inability to weapon swap after the charge, but since those are still outstanding issues, I guess it's a feature now. I don't even run it in dungeons though, it breaks too frequently and is a dps waste.

Yeah I died 4 times on a Maelstrom run last week because I got locked out of my ability bars and basic weapon attacks. Sooo...why are we paying for a fix that doesn't actually work?

Reverb · February 2016

bikerangelo wrote: »

Also, with the new animation system on the PTS, you can charge up a wb in the middle of your crit rush, but toppling charge still has the GCD.

If true, this alone will become eso pvp for the foreseeable future.

Kaliki · February 2016

Templars were designed to defend their player housing solo instance and not to charge at people.

Essiaga · February 2016

Charge? What are you to good for your Home?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8pvD_4Pd1A

Leon119 · February 2016

Its because templar is too op and needs stuff to keep him in check

kappa

ColoursYouHave · February 2016

Templars need that GCD so they can take a moment to get settled into their house.

Mojmir · February 2016

im wondering how Templars a certain dev has lost too?

James-Wayne · February 2016

They don't want Templars to charge, EVER! Just stay in your circle of doom, I'll stay in mine and we can wave from across the battlefield while we get slaughtered by NBs in which we will now see the NB for half a second before we die to then get resurrected by our brothers in half a second. Simples.

Cinbri · February 2016

It has excuse to have gcd - it is only(almost) gapcloser that is undodgeable(funny if zos will nerf it and say it was unintentional.)
However it doesn't have excuse to be only gapcloser that unusable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_a9gKVP3UE

Itoq · February 2016

It has to be super embarrassing to work at ZOS. They must get hazard pay for having to work in such an embarrassing situation.

Instead of paying current employees hazard pay, take that money and use it to pay employees who can fix Templar charge.

Which is worse though? Having charge not work past the starting animation or having charge 'work' and then be locked out of all skill usage?

I am thinking that Templar charge could be changed to only the start up animation and be relabeled as a Stay Outa My House Taunt. The charge wouldn't really taunt anything but players would feel so bad for the spastic spamming Templar that they would stay out of his house.

Robbmrp · February 2016

Things like this are reasons that there is so much class imbalance. Why put a GCD on a Charge just because it's a Templar Skill? As the OP mentioned, no other gap closers have cool downs so why should this one???? The whole point of this spell is to close the gap hitting the target in which case you should be able to follow up with other attacks but are restricted from it. What's the point of closing the gap if you cannot attack afterwards???

@Wrobel, @ZOS_GinaBruno, comments?

Cinbri · February 2016

Cinbri wrote: »

It has excuse to have gcd - it is only(almost) gapcloser that is undodgeable(funny if zos will nerf it and say it was unintentional.)
However it doesn't have excuse to be only gapcloser that unusable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_a9gKVP3UE

And as i said:
patchnotes 2.0.3:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Templar
Focused Charge: The damage from this ability and the Toppling Charge morph can now be dodged.

So, now it still has gcd but can be dodged.

Animal_Mother · February 2016

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but Solar Barrage seems to have a GCD too. Either that or the new animation tweek is preventing follow up attacks until it has completed. Feels sluggish.