Brrrofski wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Well I play in a group of 3-5 usually for about 3 hours a

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Maybe in vet but its much more difficult to pull a 10k tick in nonvet. The largest tick i received nonvet was 6k, and if your thinking 'hey did everyone run off' yes, yes they did. Also lower ranks award less ap I believe. So there will be a difference in accumlation between vet and nonvet.

I had Krog in nonvet from 10 to level 43, played most nights, then had to stop to accumlate skillpoints. Literally wasnt out of Daggerfall at 43. He's now vr9 finishing silver/gold (maybe) before he healbots/meatshields again.

Yeah the gains are lower but in a day you're only getting 10k ap? I highly doubt that , that sounds like someone jumping on for 30mins and getting off

Your "average" player most likely doesn't spend 5 hours a day playing either... just sayin'

You don't even have to play an hour to get 10kap, that's nothing lol the fact you guys are trying to make it seem like a lot is hilarious

The fact that you got Emp means you zerg. Yes, anyone can get 10k ap an hour in a zerg.

Not all of us enjoy a zerg though. I earnt about 50k ap in like 3 hours last night. Playing in a group of 5, all of us decent pvp players who got a lot of kills. Unless you're in a 20 man plus group, ap isn't that easy to get in all honesty.

That's a lie you do not have to Zerg to earn more than 10k a hour.I run solo or in a small group with guild mates at most it's 8 of us usually 4-5.When it's just me I can gank at the keep in front of the keep my factions is attacking.and make 10k in less than 10 minutes of just doing that.Even running around open world or defending a keep with only a few people can net you 10 just from the defense.

I've never had more than like 5k from a keep defence.

Even 20 minute with them pushing in the inner postern and back out, in and out, in and out. It's like 5k max.

I didn't say you have to zerg, but the guy I said it to had been Emp. You have to zerg to get Emp. So his opinion of how easy ap is to gain is different to other people's

Lool this is how you sound "Since I can't do it, no one can" I'm sorry to tell you that id own you and your group in ap gains , it might be hard for you to understand that someone can get a lot of ap ungrouped but it's possible because I've gotten emperor multiple times solo, so have other people I know.

You don't have to zerg you have to know how to get ap lol and apparently to ZOS most of the community has no idea how to, you're an shining example. My highest gain in a day is over 500k ap , my highest in two days is 1mill. Getting ap still requires skill, which you lack obviously if you think it's about zerging.

Maybe I can teach you a thing or two & if you're a PC player too, that's sad.

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Well I play in a group of 3-5 usually for about 3 hours a

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Maybe in vet but its much more difficult to pull a 10k tick in nonvet. The largest tick i received nonvet was 6k, and if your thinking 'hey did everyone run off' yes, yes they did. Also lower ranks award less ap I believe. So there will be a difference in accumlation between vet and nonvet.

I had Krog in nonvet from 10 to level 43, played most nights, then had to stop to accumlate skillpoints. Literally wasnt out of Daggerfall at 43. He's now vr9 finishing silver/gold (maybe) before he healbots/meatshields again.

Yeah the gains are lower but in a day you're only getting 10k ap? I highly doubt that , that sounds like someone jumping on for 30mins and getting off

Your "average" player most likely doesn't spend 5 hours a day playing either... just sayin'

You don't even have to play an hour to get 10kap, that's nothing lol the fact you guys are trying to make it seem like a lot is hilarious

The fact that you got Emp means you zerg. Yes, anyone can get 10k ap an hour in a zerg.

Not all of us enjoy a zerg though. I earnt about 50k ap in like 3 hours last night. Playing in a group of 5, all of us decent pvp players who got a lot of kills. Unless you're in a 20 man plus group, ap isn't that easy to get in all honesty.

That's a lie you do not have to Zerg to earn more than 10k a hour.I run solo or in a small group with guild mates at most it's 8 of us usually 4-5.When it's just me I can gank at the keep in front of the keep my factions is attacking.and make 10k in less than 10 minutes of just doing that.Even running around open world or defending a keep with only a few people can net you 10 just from the defense.

I've never had more than like 5k from a keep defence.

Even 20 minute with them pushing in the inner postern and back out, in and out, in and out. It's like 5k max.

I didn't say you have to zerg, but the guy I said it to had been Emp. You have to zerg to get Emp. So his opinion of how easy ap is to gain is different to other people's

Lool this is how you sound "Since I can't do it, no one can" I'm sorry to tell you that id own you and your group in ap gains , it might be hard for you to understand that someone can get a lot of ap ungrouped but it's possible because I've gotten emperor multiple times solo, so have other people I know.

You don't have to zerg you have to know how to get ap lol and apparently to ZOS most of the community has no idea how to, you're an shining example. My highest gain in a day is over 500k ap , my highest in two days is 1mill. Getting ap still requires skill, which you lack obviously if you think it's about zerging.

Maybe I can teach you a thing or two & if you're a PC player too, that's sad.

So enlighten me.

Defending a keep with where most of an alliance is sieging or taking a keep where most of an alliance is defending is not a good way to earn AP?

It's not like I'm sitting in a field just waiting to fight people. I'm actually sieging and fighting a lot of people.

I was in a group of 10 for about 4 hours tonight and got maybe 70k ap. Constantly fighting. Taking keeps, defending keeps.

I can hop on my templar and earn a lot more by spamming heals, but I'm not sure how you'd earn a huge amount on a Stam based toon or one not spamming heals.

Maybe it's different on xbox, but unless you're tower farming ap isn't as easy to get as people are making out.

I have 3 toons on alliance rank 6, two on 5 and 3 on 4. Doing that over and over isn't fun and discourages me playing some toons. Stam ones especially. Playing in a group of 4 90% of the time and having no real heal is just a needless annoyance.

It actually takes the skill out of it. I can lose to a player not as good as me because he has a heal and I don't. Just like det is a difference maker. Why are people so annoyed about players having an equal footing?

driosketch wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

And to the guys only getting 5k ticks , fight the zergs and you'll know what it feels like to get 20k plus ticks.

This only works if you're fighting scrubs on their buff server. Most of the time on a mature populated server that tick gets split by 20-30 people.

Nah actually the highest I've gotten in the most competitive server is 18k, almost 19k. And even then it's not unusual to get over 5k for me.

Cody wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Well I play in a group of 3-5 usually for about 3 hours a

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Maybe in vet but its much more difficult to pull a 10k tick in nonvet. The largest tick i received nonvet was 6k, and if your thinking 'hey did everyone run off' yes, yes they did. Also lower ranks award less ap I believe. So there will be a difference in accumlation between vet and nonvet.

I had Krog in nonvet from 10 to level 43, played most nights, then had to stop to accumlate skillpoints. Literally wasnt out of Daggerfall at 43. He's now vr9 finishing silver/gold (maybe) before he healbots/meatshields again.

Yeah the gains are lower but in a day you're only getting 10k ap? I highly doubt that , that sounds like someone jumping on for 30mins and getting off

Your "average" player most likely doesn't spend 5 hours a day playing either... just sayin'

You don't even have to play an hour to get 10kap, that's nothing lol the fact you guys are trying to make it seem like a lot is hilarious

The fact that you got Emp means you zerg. Yes, anyone can get 10k ap an hour in a zerg.

Not all of us enjoy a zerg though. I earnt about 50k ap in like 3 hours last night. Playing in a group of 5, all of us decent pvp players who got a lot of kills. Unless you're in a 20 man plus group, ap isn't that easy to get in all honesty.

That's a lie you do not have to Zerg to earn more than 10k a hour.I run solo or in a small group with guild mates at most it's 8 of us usually 4-5.When it's just me I can gank at the keep in front of the keep my factions is attacking.and make 10k in less than 10 minutes of just doing that.Even running around open world or defending a keep with only a few people can net you 10 just from the defense.

I've never had more than like 5k from a keep defence.

Even 20 minute with them pushing in the inner postern and back out, in and out, in and out. It's like 5k max.

I didn't say you have to zerg, but the guy I said it to had been Emp. You have to zerg to get Emp. So his opinion of how easy ap is to gain is different to other people's

Lool this is how you sound "Since I can't do it, no one can" I'm sorry to tell you that id own you and your group in ap gains , it might be hard for you to understand that someone can get a lot of ap ungrouped but it's possible because I've gotten emperor multiple times solo, so have other people I know.

You don't have to zerg you have to know how to get ap lol and apparently to ZOS most of the community has no idea how to, you're an shining example. My highest gain in a day is over 500k ap , my highest in two days is 1mill. Getting ap still requires skill, which you lack obviously if you think it's about zerging.

Maybe I can teach you a thing or two & if you're a PC player too, that's sad.

"apparently to most of ZOS most of the community has no idea how to, you're a shining example"

You sound like Vegeta, lol.

http://orig13.deviantart.net/686f/f/2012/237/0/7/heheh_by_vegeta_sensei-d5ce7hl.jpg

Well he's my favorite character

Cody wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

I still dont understand how someone gains such little ap in an hour/day. I can literally spawn into a keep, run into the field and kill 8 people in a span of 10 mins or less and already gain nearly 10k ap.

I find your claim difficult to believe seeing as how that would mean each player you killed was worth at the very least 1.5Kish AP per kill, and players of that magnitude tend to not be that easy to defeat(nevermind the fact such a value is literally non-existent, as no one is THAT good). that or you got a GIANT defense tick. GIANT. Do not be offended, I just do not fully believe you.

Ignoring that, people earn that small amount of AP per day for one simple reason: not everyone is an elite PvPer, in fact many are average or below average like me, and it takes us a bit to earn a lot of AP.

I used to be worth about 400 or so AP, back when I could PvP worth a damn. lol.

Killing 8 players is nearly 1k ap if each is giving me 800+ ap per kill and i kill small groups no problem if they are busy sieging. I have over 30k kills in pvp and have a perfect build for my nightblade. I gained 20 k ap in 5 mins afew weeks ago from wiping a group of 20 at a keep plus a massive defensive tick because there was onlt 3 of us defending.

i still dont believe you,(and roughly 800AP per kill is about 6400K, a big difference from 10K, again, at least over 1K per kill for 10K) but lets say that is true, you must realize that not everyone is as good as you. this notion that everyone has to be as good at AP farming as the top % of players is unfair and illogical

ZOS doesn't give me maelstrom weapons for doing the first 6 levels in VMA. I also don't expect them to.

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Some quick notes as to why we’re making the changes to the AP required for the Assault/Support skill lines:

• The top 5 AP earners worldwide, over the past 8 weeks are averaging 32k AP/hour. This means it takes roughly 212 hours of PvP to reach rank 10 in the skill lines for them.
• Over the past 8 weeks, the average PvP player earns ~10k AP/day. This means it takes roughly 692 days of PvP for them to reach rank 10 in the skill lines.

We want these skill lines to be a lot more accessible than what I noted above. We made some changes to how AP is awarded and that will help some, but it’s not enough - we need to reduce the amount of AP required as well. That being said, the numbers that are currently on PTS are too low and will be updated in next week’s PTS build. The new numbers will be:

• Rank 2 – 700
• Rank 3 – 8,000
• Rank 4 – 38,000
• Rank 5 – 98,000
• Rank 6 – 188,000
• Rank 7 – 308,000
• Rank 8 – 488,000
• Rank 9 – 758,000
• Rank 10 – 1,158,000

(Note: this is the cumulative AP, so to reach rank 10 you need to earn 1,158,000 AP)

With these changes the “Top 5” group will be able to unlock all AvA skills in roughly 36 hours, while the average player will take roughly 116 days. It’s still a long haul effort for the average player, but it’s at least in the realm of possible for them now.

Also, while I’m on the topic of AP earning, we used this same data to help set the AP cost for the items that Adhazabi Aba-daro sells. (Cyrodiil rare item merchant) The “Top 5” group will be able to earn 200k AP in about 6 hours, while the average player will take about 20 days.

Hey Rich what exactly is the percentile of the top 5 players in the world? something like .00000001% and this is what ZoS is basing its adjustments on? Also I think when your calculating the average player your including the ppl who don't even PvP at all because that amount of AP per day is not correct. 1 keep defence comes close to that

Cmon this is really disappointing.

DK SCRUB OUT

Cody wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

I still dont understand how someone gains such little ap in an hour/day. I can literally spawn into a keep, run into the field and kill 8 people in a span of 10 mins or less and already gain nearly 10k ap.

I find your claim difficult to believe seeing as how that would mean each player you killed was worth at the very least 1.5Kish AP per kill, and players of that magnitude tend to not be that easy to defeat(nevermind the fact such a value is literally non-existent, as no one is THAT good). that or you got a GIANT defense tick. GIANT. Do not be offended, I just do not fully believe you.

Ignoring that, people earn that small amount of AP per day for one simple reason: not everyone is an elite PvPer, in fact many are average or below average like me, and it takes us a bit to earn a lot of AP.

I used to be worth about 400 or so AP, back when I could PvP worth a damn. lol.

The highest I got for killing someone is 1.4k-1.5k ap for killing someone by myself without the delve bonus also, it's definitely possible.

Someone's potential ap is a thousand, obviously other things play a role & you don't even have to be good to be worth a decent amount.

And btw we happen to play in the same campaign, a giant tick for us is shooting for 20k lol sounds insane but it's very real

i can believe the 20K ticks, but not getting 10K from solely killing 8 players,.

He didn't say he got 10k , he said something else but I'll give you a chance to read it again.

driosketch wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

xskinzcity wrote: »

I still dont understand how someone gains such little ap in an hour/day. I can literally spawn into a keep, run into the field and kill 8 people in a span of 10 mins or less and already gain nearly 10k ap.

I find your claim difficult to believe seeing as how that would mean each player you killed was worth at the very least 1.5Kish AP per kill, and players of that magnitude tend to not be that easy to defeat(nevermind the fact such a value is literally non-existent, as no one is THAT good). that or you got a GIANT defense tick. GIANT. Do not be offended, I just do not fully believe you.

Ignoring that, people earn that small amount of AP per day for one simple reason: not everyone is an elite PvPer, in fact many are average or below average like me, and it takes us a bit to earn a lot of AP.

I used to be worth about 400 or so AP, back when I could PvP worth a damn. lol.

Killing 8 players is nearly 1k ap if each is giving me 800+ ap per kill and i kill small groups no problem if they are busy sieging. I have over 30k kills in pvp and have a perfect build for my nightblade. I gained 20 k ap in 5 mins afew weeks ago from wiping a group of 20 at a keep plus a massive defensive tick because there was onlt 3 of us defending.

i still dont believe you,(and roughly 800AP per kill is about 6400K, a big difference from 10K, again, at least over 1K per kill for 10K) but lets say that is true, you must realize that not everyone is as good as you. this notion that everyone has to be as good at AP farming as the top % of players is unfair and illogical

ZOS doesn't give me maelstrom weapons for doing the first 6 levels in VMA. I also don't expect them to.

Not a good comparison. Does it take the average player months to make it through those levels. Also skills are very different than rare gear. Gear rewards are an achievement to be earned, skills are meant to unlock under normal pregression. After enough time, players will unlock all those skills anyways, adjusting that time frame does not change this.

Let's consider your they will unlock it eventually approach, what's eventually? According to ZOS that could very well be years right, adjusting the time frame does change it, it changes the time you'll unlock it IF you ever unlock it.

And they both are meant to be earned & if we're talking what's "meant" to be then ZOS had it right the first time because in mmos things are meant to take time. It's players that will never get a maelstrom arena award, it's players that will never max out pvp skills and it's players that will never max out undaunted.

I started playing on console & with one player I've accumulated enough ap to have maxed out at least 3 times , it's some players that's been playing on PC that hasn't done it once. It's starting to be normal to see players between tribune - prefect we even already have a legate about to be a general. Though with that being said it's very possible to get more ap than what people are currently getting I took multiple month breaks & I'm sitting at praetorian (about 400k from palatine) so understand why it's very hard for people to believe that 10k ap a day is the norm from an actual pvp player.