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Cyrodiil console is gonna be awesome.
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RatedChaotic✭✭✭✭Wont bother me in any fashion....Lag gets worse I'll buy and move to Division. Lag gets better will play ESO alittle more but only when I'm not playing Division.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RatedChaotic wrote: »Wont bother me in any fashion....Lag gets worse I'll buy and move to Division. Lag gets better will play ESO alittle more but only when I'm not playing Division.
I might jump over anyways until VR is removed. The game was good in BETA, at least for 2 - 3 months worth ot gameplay-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Asherons_Call✭✭✭✭✭
✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Asherons_Call wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »That moment when console gets the PC issues and lag....tone of this thread will change
You mean the lag that we're already experiencing on a daily basis? Just because you were wrong and have some sour grapes about your months of anti text chat rhetoric, don't start with the "I told you so" stuff.
Like I mentioned above, the increased communication will put more people in the hot areas in Cyrodiil so they need to anticipate the lag effect of increased population in a small area. It is already very bad right now when you have Zerg vs Zerg, so this needs to be looked at as a priority while it is still in testing phase. All zones other than Cyrodiil don't have nearly as high of a population so they should be fine.
This is the ONLY downside that I am seeing from text chat as every other aspect of the game will benefit dramatically.
Follow me here:
I came from closed BETA on PC...lag wasn't an immediate problem during closed beta.
As the EU server came and when we went live, the NA server for PC didn't have a lot of issues at all but the EU folks did have concerns.
When ZOS added the major lighting patch right after launch with-in 60 days the entire NA and EU servers began experiencing a lot of lag. ZOS made changes, edits, adjustments but largely they told us the cause was too many messages.
Before lighting: Thread - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/82942/post-friday-patch-game-graphics-are-just-horrible-red-missing-box-and-missing-houses
Now not to take it out of context, they are largely describing anything that is being sent to the server and back out to us so while many will argue that text chat is not a problem in this regard, it does contribute whether it be tiny, small or medium impacts.
Thread - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/127758/dropped-from-the-server-twice-for-exceeding-messaging-limit-without-sending-any-messages
Thread 2 - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/125828/thrown-out-because-of-too-much-chatting
Thread 3 - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/90375/lag-on-na-server-disconnected-for-sending-too-many-messages
Thread 4 - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142989/kicked-for-spamming-but
The next patch in March will add SCT, which is also a method of messages - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245034/official-feedback-thread-for-scrolling-combat-text
Add-on that PC have can be messages
Some of us, if not all of us occasionally get error messages pop-ups on consoles when in towns or interacting with vendors and guild bank stores which are messages.
EVEN while I type this, I keep getting a pop-up that the ZOS server is over capacity on its forums which went down yesterday for a while.
Thread - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/175707/kicked-for-message-spamming-on-a-console-really
Thread 2 - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/175699/spamming-issue
Respectfully, my comment is not attacking anyone who wants text chat, it is addressing that each time more items that user server side "messages" the lag as we see it increases. ZOS and others think its add-on related, or this or that. One thing for sure....the lag error message is related to "messages" so until ZOS confirms and has a solid response, I'm only suggesting that its likely, that LAG will get worse.
ZOS has recently added and made hardware and software changes to its servers....PTS is an example of, what seems to be more lag rather than less. Its logical to draw conclusions that consoles will also have similar impacts.
*Hopefully this post lands on the server....even tho the forums should be a different server, ZOS has issues that are getting worse by the quarter on their forums and within their game servers whether its first party or third party
Yea I also got the server error message when trying to access these forums yesterday. Seems ok today though.
As for your comment regarding text chat itself in relation to lag, that wasn't what I was getting at. I was talking about the indirect effect of text chat zone communication in an area like Cyrodiil. It's not the text itself that will be the issue, but the flood of characters moving to one keep when someone on Cyrodiil zone chat says "AD ATTACKING BLUE ROAD - WALL AT 50%" when that keep happens to be the last one AD needs for Emperorship. We thought 50 on 50 man zergs were bad... But wait til we get a load of this0 -
EZgoin76✭✭✭✭Those of you saying you will just turn it off and refuse to communicate with the people who are deaf, mute, shy, have social anxiety disorder, or just want to RP without being ridiculed. Please stay true to your word. That way I'll know who I want to talk to and who to avoid altogether.
Those of you saying it will be full of trolls. Newsflash... they're everywhere. Including voice chat. I've never seen or heard the amount of vulgarity, racism, or sexism in any form of communication like I have on here. Hopefully ZOS uses bots and mods to help keep it out of text chat.
I honestly can't wait for text chat. It will truly feel like an MMO to me then.I want to change the world. I'm just to lazy to do it.1 -
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✭✭^ who's vulgar, racist and sexist? Never had that on a forum or on game. Just helmets repeating crap like "someone maaaaaaaaaaake me a bacon sandwich" literally 97 times over and over. Them I can mute. In a text box it's going to be far more painful to filter out said earth clan.PC Master Race
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EZgoin76✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »^ who's vulgar, racist and sexist? Never had that on a forum or on game. Just helmets repeating crap like "someone maaaaaaaaaaake me a bacon sandwich" literally 97 times over and over. Them I can mute. In a text box it's going to be far more painful to filter out said earth clan.
I hear the depravity in almost every town I walk into that has a large group of people. Text chat, unlike voice chat, is easily botted and moderated for vulgarity and such. Plus it's easier to send a screenshot of major offenders than it would be to report some ignorant meathead that's being rude and vulgar in voice chat.
I want to change the world. I'm just to lazy to do it.1 -
Asherons_Call✭✭✭✭✭
✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »^ who's vulgar, racist and sexist? Never had that on a forum or on game. Just helmets repeating crap like "someone maaaaaaaaaaake me a bacon sandwich" literally 97 times over and over. Them I can mute. In a text box it's going to be far more painful to filter out said earth clan.
Far more painful to filter out text? Have you not played an MMO with text before? It's literally like two clicks... Highlight person who sent and hit ignore1 -
Merkabeh✭✭✭Seems like a lot of text chat detractors don't realize this isn't a one or the other situation. We supporters use text chat where appropriate (mostly mass communication), but still rely on voice for local group communication etc.
It is literally, and I mean literally, having the best of both worlds. We can choose as players to use the communication method that most suits our needs at the given time.
I just hope ZOS channels all feeds through same box, or we have the ability to do this ourselves; if it is split up like voice channels are, it is going to be of limited benefit.Crusader of The Knights of the Alessian Order
Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" - Sallington
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Asherons_Call wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Asherons_Call wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »That moment when console gets the PC issues and lag....tone of this thread will change
You mean the lag that we're already experiencing on a daily basis? Just because you were wrong and have some sour grapes about your months of anti text chat rhetoric, don't start with the "I told you so" stuff.
Like I mentioned above, the increased communication will put more people in the hot areas in Cyrodiil so they need to anticipate the lag effect of increased population in a small area. It is already very bad right now when you have Zerg vs Zerg, so this needs to be looked at as a priority while it is still in testing phase. All zones other than Cyrodiil don't have nearly as high of a population so they should be fine.
This is the ONLY downside that I am seeing from text chat as every other aspect of the game will benefit dramatically.
Follow me here:
I came from closed BETA on PC...lag wasn't an immediate problem during closed beta.
As the EU server came and when we went live, the NA server for PC didn't have a lot of issues at all but the EU folks did have concerns.
When ZOS added the major lighting patch right after launch with-in 60 days the entire NA and EU servers began experiencing a lot of lag. ZOS made changes, edits, adjustments but largely they told us the cause was too many messages.
Before lighting: Thread - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/82942/post-friday-patch-game-graphics-are-just-horrible-red-missing-box-and-missing-houses
Now not to take it out of context, they are largely describing anything that is being sent to the server and back out to us so while many will argue that text chat is not a problem in this regard, it does contribute whether it be tiny, small or medium impacts.
Thread - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/127758/dropped-from-the-server-twice-for-exceeding-messaging-limit-without-sending-any-messages
Thread 2 - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/125828/thrown-out-because-of-too-much-chatting
Thread 3 - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/90375/lag-on-na-server-disconnected-for-sending-too-many-messages
Thread 4 - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142989/kicked-for-spamming-but
The next patch in March will add SCT, which is also a method of messages - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245034/official-feedback-thread-for-scrolling-combat-text
Add-on that PC have can be messages
Some of us, if not all of us occasionally get error messages pop-ups on consoles when in towns or interacting with vendors and guild bank stores which are messages.
EVEN while I type this, I keep getting a pop-up that the ZOS server is over capacity on its forums which went down yesterday for a while.
Thread - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/175707/kicked-for-message-spamming-on-a-console-really
Thread 2 - http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/175699/spamming-issue
Respectfully, my comment is not attacking anyone who wants text chat, it is addressing that each time more items that user server side "messages" the lag as we see it increases. ZOS and others think its add-on related, or this or that. One thing for sure....the lag error message is related to "messages" so until ZOS confirms and has a solid response, I'm only suggesting that its likely, that LAG will get worse.
ZOS has recently added and made hardware and software changes to its servers....PTS is an example of, what seems to be more lag rather than less. Its logical to draw conclusions that consoles will also have similar impacts.
*Hopefully this post lands on the server....even tho the forums should be a different server, ZOS has issues that are getting worse by the quarter on their forums and within their game servers whether its first party or third party
Yea I also got the server error message when trying to access these forums yesterday. Seems ok today though.
As for your comment regarding text chat itself in relation to lag, that wasn't what I was getting at. I was talking about the indirect effect of text chat zone communication in an area like Cyrodiil. It's not the text itself that will be the issue, but the flood of characters moving to one keep when someone on Cyrodiil zone chat says "AD ATTACKING BLUE ROAD - WALL AT 50%" when that keep happens to be the last one AD needs for Emperorship. We thought 50 on 50 man zergs were bad... But wait til we get a load of this
Oh definately!
OR it'll be all shadow figures. ROFL with lag
I'm still interested to learn what type of text chat they're adding.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on February 11, 2016 11:10PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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izJordy✭✭✭Yeah.. chat box will be AMUZINGG, i've been in so many situations when i needed to say something..
example, i'm looking for a group.. so what i have to do is i will tell myself with quick chat, would you like to join a group then answer my own question with yes.. over and over again so people get the message that i'm looking for a group..
or pvp.. chatbox would be: their are a few people over their come with me, and wait for them we'll kill them blabla.. but right now: hello! hello! i'm pulling! yes! hello! good job! i'm pulling!Edited by izJordy on February 12, 2016 1:09AM0 -
Greiver✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »That moment when console gets the PC issues and lag....tone of this thread will change
We already have the lag you speak of.... that's why most have left Azura star on console.
Text chat was needed from the start. Honestly I still wonder how they even released a mmo without it.Edited by Greiver on February 12, 2016 4:16AMPs4 Na Daggerfall
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Oliumzen✭✭✭Azura on xbox NA was pretty much lag free. For us its Haderous that is the lag monster.0 -
Bossdonut✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »So someone tell me why it's going to be useful? We ALL got mics included and most people with nothing good to add don't speak anyway. Why everyone wants to revert to 90s text speak in pvp is beyond me. Simple "help getting ganked" "reds behind us" oh wait no now I need to wait and type it out as everyone switched off audio. The proper well Co ordinated groups won't be using it for sure. Not sure why it's so hard for the party leader to just say "attack x keep next" or "to this ganking spot next" much easier to speak with more positives over text chat. I dread going to grahtwood now. It's going to get flooded with wtb whatever, or any 14yr old virgins wanna snapchat.
Probably the dumbest post I've read in 2016.2 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »That moment when console gets the PC issues and lag....tone of this thread will change
Come on now...
The only thing you can say about us winning our crusade for text chat is "Lag"?
A text chat box is NOT going to cause anymore lag than voice chat has already..
Voice Chat causes a lot more lag than a text chat that you can toggle off or on will ever cause.
And NO NBS we are not hating on you. We are just happy after getting flame roasted here on the forums for actually WANTING text chat by a "few" people!
We were told by those "few" to basically shut up or go play another game! Well we did not do that and ZOS finally made the right decision!Edited by Funkopotamus on February 12, 2016 5:47AMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington0 -
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✭Lack of chat boxes were the main reason I quit the console version. At this point I don't plan on going back, but it's nice they finally listened and will be adding it soon. For people who aren't comfortable talking to strangers on the Internet verbally (or just don't want to hear babies screaming or heavy creepy breathing), this will be a godsend.0 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »Lack of chat boxes were the main reason I quit the console version. At this point I don't plan on going back, .
That is SAD. Honestly you are not alone! I lost A LOT of great veteran MMO players that I have played a number of MMO's with that came to ESO and left for the lack of text chat. Sadly many are in the same mind as you are.. What is worse is Text Chat was already in the console code it just needed to be turned on! There is honestly no reason this game should have launched without it. I can understand trying something new, but FORCING it on the population was not the way to go about it. The numbers spoke for themselves.Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington2 -
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there already is lag and tons of issues so idk what you are talking about.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »That moment when console gets the PC issues and lag....tone of this thread will change
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Kalante✭✭✭✭✭
✭text chat is gonna be great. Shy people will finally be heard. Sometimes some quiet people happen to be among the strongest players as to someone who keeps talking and not paying as much attention. People who can talk and still focus in the game are rare. Or you can be both quiet while fighting and talkative when chilling. But yeah the all quiet players will now be able to communicate. People who disagree and ignore the fact that there is quiet players are just ignorant.Edited by Kalante on February 12, 2016 6:39AM1 -
KhajiitiLizard✭✭✭✭✭When I used to play Halo I would have to mute the entire enemy team a lot and sometimes even my own team. I don't know how you console players can deal with it.0 -
americansteel✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »It's going to be flooded with ***. I'm keeping out of text chat it's going to be full of richards spamming crap into it 24/7 console minds are slightly less developed over the PC master race. Such a bad move to appease a few people.
DCUO
FFXIV
War Thunder
Warframe
All MMOs that have text chat on ps4 and are/work fine
I don't think chat spam is something limited to consolers
Have you never played WoW?
Yeah, pc masterrace alright
DID SOMEONE SAY [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]???!11?11!
Kappa123
Chat spam
Wtb gf
Git gud Skrub u play a warrior
Yeah pc games definitely don't have rancid text chat
Just look at csgo, totally nice and friendly chat
PC games dont have rancid chat? HAHAHAHAHA every other comment had some form of insult to some one.NO LONGER PLAYING ESO
POOR SERVER PERFORMANCE
LAG
LOAD SCREENS
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Bossdonut✭✭✭✭✭americansteel wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »It's going to be flooded with ***. I'm keeping out of text chat it's going to be full of richards spamming crap into it 24/7 console minds are slightly less developed over the PC master race. Such a bad move to appease a few people.
DCUO
FFXIV
War Thunder
Warframe
All MMOs that have text chat on ps4 and are/work fine
I don't think chat spam is something limited to consolers
Have you never played WoW?
Yeah, pc masterrace alright
DID SOMEONE SAY [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]???!11?11!
Kappa123
Chat spam
Wtb gf
Git gud Skrub u play a warrior
Yeah pc games definitely don't have rancid text chat
Just look at csgo, totally nice and friendly chat
PC games dont have rancid chat? HAHAHAHAHA every other comment had some form of insult to some one.
Are you dense?0
