Heavy need buffs. @wrobel how do you like heavy armor? All useful stuf you put in heavy armor sets, not in the heavy armor tree. Just move it from the sets to the tree.
1) Reduced damaged while CC or rooted
2) Reduce enemy healing when you are damaged (similar to Duroks bane and Fasslas sets)
3) reduced ultimate cosst
Bonuses:
stamina regen while blocking as it is proposed + increased ultimate regen

actosh wrote: »

Save your breath.........there will never be buffs for heavy as long as @Wrobel is Combat Lead.
He said it once and this is the only thing were they keep their word....sadly.

As they asked for feedback in the general discussion they received shittons of messages for a buff to heavy armor, gues what, wont happen....

Btw, i would also like to see one, since itank most of my time.

Jar_Ek wrote: »

@Wrobel Would you care to comment about your design logic in making Heavy Armour practically useless? esp in PVP.

He doesnt care he is a fotm NB

Problem is that the combat team only think in theory, and not the reality as a result of it.
They think it out a potenial build, and they ignore the reality of it, its the equivalence of social structures that completely fails, although in that case those that thought of it have the execuse of being dead, the combat team dont, they just

Bashev wrote: »

Heavy need buffs. @wrobel how do you like heavy armor? All useful stuf you put in heavy armor sets, not in the heavy armor tree. Just move it from the sets to the tree.
1) Reduced damaged while CC or rooted
2) Reduced healing when damaged
3) reduced ultimate cosst
Bonuses:
stamina regen while blocking as it is proposed + increased ultimate regen

I get reduced damaged while CCed and limited stam regen while blocking, but why reduced healing when damaged?

Anyway, haven't gotten into the tanking/heavy armor discussions in a good while, and

I'm not sure I want to jump into that really long HA thread. So quick thoughts:

Heavy Armor and Tanking

"Resolve: Increases your Armor for each piece of Heavy Armor equipped."
Fine as it is, I would take a buff to the values if offered, but I'm not worried about it. If anything I would add critical damage resistance per piece, which players could stack with the impenetrable trait and the Resistant perk from the Champion System to be really super tanky or they could use other bonuses if not tanking in Cyrodiil. Options are nice, and this would increase the (gasp) mitigation value of HA.

"Constitution: Increases Health Recovery by 2%/4% per piece of Heavy Armor equipped. Also restores Magicka and Stamina each time you are hit, but only once every 8/4 seconds. Amount restored is increased per piece of Heavy Armor equipped."
A good idea for sustain but the values for magicka and stamina return are too low with the cool-down at 8/4 seconds. It should be based on how much aggro you have, which the cool-down negates (i.e. this should be awesome if you are getting wailed on by a ton of enemies constantly). At the current values for what you get per hit they need to drop the cool-down to every 3/1.5 or 2/1 seconds. Yes they could keep the cool-down time the same and raise the return per hit but that negates the value of being tanky and drawing lots of aggro onto yourself.

"Juggernaut: Increases Max Health by 0.5%/1% per piece of Heavy Armor equipped."
Good passive, but would be better if you took less damage while CCed and received limited resistance to snares. A good synergy with Argonian passives (for those who care like me).

"Bracing: Decreases Stamina cost of blocking by 10%/20%."
Good passive before the nerf to stamina regen while blocking. Outdated now. I agree with the general sentiments expressed here. Would change it to either 20%/40% reduction to cost of blocking *or* allow stamina regen at 25% of normal rate while blocking. This is the "requires 5 pieces of this armor type" passive so it's not like LA or MA block-casters could abuse it. If they lowered the cool-down on Constitution as per the above recommendation these changes might not even be needed when playing like a tank.

"Rapid Mending: Increases healing received by 0.5%/1% per piece of Heavy Armor equipped."
I like this, and it goes also goes well with Argonian passives. I might add in "and reduces the duration of negative status effects" though to make this really solid.

Bashev wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Heavy need buffs. @wrobel how do you like heavy armor? All useful stuf you put in heavy armor sets, not in the heavy armor tree. Just move it from the sets to the tree.
1) Reduced damaged while CC or rooted
2) Reduced healing when damaged
3) reduced ultimate cosst
Bonuses:
stamina regen while blocking as it is proposed + increased ultimate regen

I get reduced damaged while CCed and limited stam regen while blocking, but why reduced healing when damaged?

Ops sorry, I meant a healing debuff to the enemy who damaged you (similar to Dursks bane set or Fasallas).
I will edit my post now. Thanks

Ahh, makes much more sense now

It is sad, but it is becoming increasingly clear the Wrobel is the problem behind so many of the things wrong with ESO.

The game has gotten worse since he's been in charge. He has no idea how to fix the Templar class, doesn't seem to realize that Heavy Armor needs work, and seems to be behind the changes that have made the game less 'fun' in the last year.

That's just my 2 cents of course, but I don't see the game getting better under his tenure, at least in regards to these issues; it seems to be getting worse.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Either full stam regen, or a 50% penalty. By doing this, you allow tank specs to be viable in PvP, while at the same time preventing light/medium armor specs from abusing or taking advantage. This will give Heavy armor builds something unique to them, and bring them to the competitive table for PvP.

I really agree with you, but my only fear would be that, as it's now, tanking in this game it's not so hard. With this i don't mean that the stamina reg is bad, but that with the revamp of the heavy armor passives they should increase a little more the "challenging" factor of tanking.

I've been MMO'ing since the original Neverwinter nights, so mid 90's lol, and you see this in every MMO. Some things get fixed immediately, usually things that REALLY benefit the players, and other things take forever if at all.

They made this game, they know darn well they've created an environment that HEAVILY favors Burst or sustain, or both. Funny enough Heavy has neither of those lol and light and medium have Both. No real DPS caps and yet a relatively easily reached armor cap. This does Not make sense =/ Some people make it work, because they are good players and/or play it long enough to become decent in their choice of style. Every person here knows that those good players would be good and better on either of the other two armor lines(depending on spec, class, goals etc of course)

Deep down WE know that THEY know heavy sucks. Comparatively speaking of course...for that one clown that always has to "I wear (Heavy,Stam sorc, Argonians, Etc...) and I'm Excellence!"

I'm honestly tired of spamming earthen heart abilities @Wrobel and @ZOS_RichLambert . Tanking feels way too repetitive and forced right now because of no stamina regeneration while blocking.

And don't dare suppose that tanks shouldn't always be blocking if you are going to introduce mechanics like the armor debuff that forces us to block or die. Nobody has the incentive to time blocks because it adds a tremendous risk factor and so you see the path that we are pushed down.

bracing was clearly designed to have its current specific block cost reduction in order to get players to the 50% block cost reduction threshold

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

There's a reason that despite preferring the use of heavy armor by style, I've given it up for leather. Leather is almost as tough, vastly more mobile, better resource management, and better damage output. Why the hell would I ever use plate armor in this system? Its a bad system when you are stupid if you use a certain piece of armor. The only place I can actually see heavy beig useful is in the role of challenge content tank.

Fully agree,

LA and MA have much more synergies with an increasing pool of CP's, Sets, Abilities and most important tactical play-styles and mobility.
That all besides the higher DPS & self HPS output.

HA has in practice only a better synergy with Block and the traits Reinforced & Defensive.
and that is only usefull against real big spikes of damage and/or high incoming damage content where support of a healer is necessary.

That makes using HA in general an unwise or a more emotional decision.