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PvP seems to be about just two abilities
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eventide03b14a_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As it is all I see. Two or three people, always Nightblades taking out twice there number without really getting hit.
It seem it the server I am playing in there are lots and lots of people with L2P issues.
Do you do advice as well or do you just stroke your Epeen?
When? Seriouly. When did you see this?:trollin:0 -
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✭✭Ahh advice. Now we are getting somewhere. I have read a few guides but they only seem to cover the obvious stuff like how pvp works.
Can anyone link me some real guide, such things as pvp tactics, builds, etc? That would be appreciated. Telling people they need to learn to play without offering a way for them to do so is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard.
If you came here for advice you should have created a question thread. You should have named that thread "How can I counter Nightblade stealth attacks?" Instead you came here creating a thread that was bound to cause controversy. And honestly we defend poor cloak almost every day in 2 or 3 threads, so we are little tired of it by now. For the record I don't even play a Nightblade and I still defend Cloak.:trollin:0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭For a sorc:
Streak #1
Velacious Curse
Hardened ward + enough stamina to break free
If you can avoid or survive the initial onslaught and get on the offense most NBs are low defense and you can win.
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Ajantear✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »I'm sure this has been asked before by people new to pvp, but it just seems to be two abilities. A cloak and an attack from cloak. This evening I have been involving myself in pvp and all I have seen is groups of people just cloaking to avoid attacked and then striking from cover. Endlessly.
Is that all there is to pvp? One class, two abilities and it beats everything? Is it really this shallow?
Get gud. There are ways to counter this.
I think your signature says it all.1 -
Ajantear✭✭✭
Sorry but threads like these are the hallmark of "new" or "fledgling" pvper.
I believe I stated I was new to pvp. But apology accepted.KatzMainTank wrote: »Wormwood and Cornflower.
It's the equivalent of garlic to vampires, but for Nightblades.
Genuinely useful. Now I am learning something. Thank you.lets ignore the condescending remarks of half of these supposed "elites" here, and give you some advice on killing terrible NBs like me.
1. radiant magelight. It sees thru cloak, gives you a damage reduction bonus against stealthed attacks (50% I believe) and shuts down stealth, use it if you are a mana build. I used it with a mana build of my own and NBs became the easiest enemies for me
2. AOE attacks, if a NB cloaks, hit them with an AOE to break them out then destroy them. Half of the NB population rely almost entirely on cloak and cannot fight without it (half will run, even if its just one enemy) allowing you to chase and kill with ease.
3. there is no such thing as "perma CC" whoever said that on this thread is lying.. A player gets at minimum a 5 second CC immunity timer when a CC wears off. CC break fear or whatever, and afterwards put pressure on the NB. The class has no damage shields or quick self heals of its own excluding the resto staff shield and set shields, so if you apply pressure, most NBs will go down.
everything else you must learn from experience.
Again, useful information. Now I understand why so many people are using what I considered a pointless magelight.
Any more practical pvp tips please?
what class do you prefer to PvP with?
An interesting question, and one that might point at another issue (for me) and something I dislike about many games.
I don't 'play a class for pvp'. I play my main, which is a Nightblade officially although I only have one active skill from the class line. I use four of the two handed line skills and a mix of heavy and medium armour and am stated heavily into Stamina with the rest in health in a 3:2 ratio roughly. This character is also a WW which just happens to give great burst damage as it is fully maxed out.
Now I have an inkling that people use purpose built builds for pvp and purpose built armour sets. Whilst would mean I would be at a disadvantage right off the bat (if this is the case). It would also make me sigh. Games where the pve and pvp need differing setups are poorly designed in my mind. Pvp should work just like pve only be much harder, but not require specific pvp builds.
So is pvp builds a thing? (I assume so given the vast seas of unseen NBs)0 -
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✭I'm sure this has been asked before by people new to pvp, but it just seems to be two abilities. A cloak and an attack from cloak. This evening I have been involving myself in pvp and all I have seen is groups of people just cloaking to avoid attacked and then striking from cover. Endlessly.
Is that all there is to pvp? One class, two abilities and it beats everything? Is it really this shallow?
Yep, I log in now and I dont want to play for more than 20 minutes maybe because its a garbage combat system now. Charge a couple people, win when you have team mates, die when you don't. Lather rinse repeat, absolutely no excitement because when push comes to shove, focus fire > everything.
Boring.Edited by Cathexis on February 9, 2016 10:35PMTome of Alteration Magic I - Reality is an Ancient Dwemer Construct: Everything You Need to Know About FPS
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lets ignore the condescending remarks of half of these supposed "elites" here, and give you some advice on killing terrible NBs like me.
1. radiant magelight. It sees thru cloak, gives you a damage reduction bonus against stealthed attacks (50% I believe) and shuts down stealth, use it if you are a mana build. I used it with a mana build of my own and NBs became the easiest enemies for me
2. AOE attacks, if a NB cloaks, hit them with an AOE to break them out then destroy them. Half of the NB population rely almost entirely on cloak and cannot fight without it (half will run, even if its just one enemy) allowing you to chase and kill with ease.
3. there is no such thing as "perma CC" whoever said that on this thread is lying.. A player gets at minimum a 5 second CC immunity timer when a CC wears off. CC break fear or whatever, and afterwards put pressure on the NB. The class has no damage shields or quick self heals of its own excluding the resto staff shield and set shields, so if you apply pressure, most NBs will go down.
everything else you must learn from experience.
So thaaaaat's what Magelight's for. Good to know. I see a lot of players with the little ball winging around them and I figured it was mainly for aesthetic.
Big props, btw, to ppl on this thread who had helpful notes (like this). And thanks to OP for asking the question, it's something I've been quietly wondering myself, observing gankers.Redguard Templar "Suhail" « VR1 « Archer « Sword & Board « Restro Staff
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Begining to agree. They need instanced pvp so the people who dont have 10 friends online can get in on the action without getting outnumbered repeatedly. If i wanted masochism id play dark souls.I'm sure this has been asked before by people new to pvp, but it just seems to be two abilities. A cloak and an attack from cloak. This evening I have been involving myself in pvp and all I have seen is groups of people just cloaking to avoid attacked and then striking from cover. Endlessly.
Is that all there is to pvp? One class, two abilities and it beats everything? Is it really this shallow?
Yep, I log in now and I dont want to play for more than 20 minutes maybe because its a garbage combat system now. Charge a couple people, win when you have team mates, die when you don't. Lather rinse repeat, absolutely no excitement because when push comes to shove, focus fire > everything.
Boring.0 -
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✭✭✭Magicka DK here I win 90% of the time to any NB bc of ladysmock, corn flower, wormwood these pots are not as good as they use to be. The cool down on detect but I don't need 15 secs to kill these guys ur going to go through a lot in 2 hours I can eat about 50-100, so many NB but it works sooooooooo well0 -
DeanTheCat✭✭✭✭✭@Ajantear
May I recommend this guide?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172558/surviving-cyrodiil-how-to-hopefully-die-less-often#latest
It's a guide on the basics of Cyrodiil, which explains stuff not really obvious at once to a new player. It also includes a list of common bugbears and tactics used, and how to fight them.Dean the Cat
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This one does not advocate for any class to be nerfed. There are far deeper underlying issues then a simple "Class Imbalance". The Champion System is the problem. Not classes.
Please read this before creating yet another nerf thread.
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aLi3nZ✭✭✭✭pvp doesn't center around the stam nb. If anything it's centered around the dk's. All I've been doing is dueling lately and there is more dk's then anything else. Very hard and annoying to fight. I prefer to avoid them since I usually lose. Plenty of players of all classes around.0
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Digiman✭✭✭✭✭Omg, enough with the cloak whining. I could say the same about wrecking blow, frags, jabs, batswarm.... This whole cloak nerf crying is just old. I guess you'll be elated to know that ZOS is making cloak obsolete. Get your Radiant Magelight ready and roll a sorceror.
Try again, magelight only lasts 5 seconds same with the effect preventing you from being stealthed. The only way all players will run with it is if all NB's will just tag team ambush.
It's not a hard counter because you have to know there is a NB, too many stupid ones rely on an ability meant to be an opener. The idea is to surprise and keep the target off balance and prevent them from doing anything, if things get too hot use the enviroment to run off, don't immediatly stealth like a newb when the target your escaping is within range to charge or smack you with heavy DPS ranged attack.
Learn to use dodge effectively and block, then CC and snare the person to get away.0 -
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Sorry but threads like these are the hallmark of "new" or "fledgling" pvper.
I believe I stated I was new to pvp. But apology accepted.KatzMainTank wrote: »Wormwood and Cornflower.
It's the equivalent of garlic to vampires, but for Nightblades.
Genuinely useful. Now I am learning something. Thank you.lets ignore the condescending remarks of half of these supposed "elites" here, and give you some advice on killing terrible NBs like me.
1. radiant magelight. It sees thru cloak, gives you a damage reduction bonus against stealthed attacks (50% I believe) and shuts down stealth, use it if you are a mana build. I used it with a mana build of my own and NBs became the easiest enemies for me
2. AOE attacks, if a NB cloaks, hit them with an AOE to break them out then destroy them. Half of the NB population rely almost entirely on cloak and cannot fight without it (half will run, even if its just one enemy) allowing you to chase and kill with ease.
3. there is no such thing as "perma CC" whoever said that on this thread is lying.. A player gets at minimum a 5 second CC immunity timer when a CC wears off. CC break fear or whatever, and afterwards put pressure on the NB. The class has no damage shields or quick self heals of its own excluding the resto staff shield and set shields, so if you apply pressure, most NBs will go down.
everything else you must learn from experience.
Again, useful information. Now I understand why so many people are using what I considered a pointless magelight.
Any more practical pvp tips please?
what class do you prefer to PvP with?
An interesting question, and one that might point at another issue (for me) and something I dislike about many games.
I don't 'play a class for pvp'. I play my main, which is a Nightblade officially although I only have one active skill from the class line. I use four of the two handed line skills and a mix of heavy and medium armour and am stated heavily into Stamina with the rest in health in a 3:2 ratio roughly. This character is also a WW which just happens to give great burst damage as it is fully maxed out.
Now I have an inkling that people use purpose built builds for pvp and purpose built armour sets. Whilst would mean I would be at a disadvantage right off the bat (if this is the case). It would also make me sigh. Games where the pve and pvp need differing setups are poorly designed in my mind. Pvp should work just like pve only be much harder, but not require specific pvp builds.
So is pvp builds a thing? (I assume so given the vast seas of unseen NBs)
well there are certain sets that work better in PvP, and certain morphs such as radiant magelight, piercing mark, and others. for example, there is a set that allows you to detect stealthed enemies better, which obviously works better for PvP than PvE.
Type out your build and lets have a look,( the abilities you use, actives and passives, and how you prefer to fight, do you like to jump from stealth, charge head on, duck and dodge, things like that( I am not very good at PvP myself, but I have also played since the beta and have a lot of experience with this game, maybe we can figure something out:)
as for the "vast seas of unseen NBs" the class is designed to utilize stealth more than the other 3, therefore most will play a NB stealthily, I do on mine. crafted sets dont really have an impact there besides Nights silence which lets one have faster than normal stealth movementEdited by Cody on February 10, 2016 9:22PM0 -
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✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »I'm sure this has been asked before by people new to pvp, but it just seems to be two abilities. A cloak and an attack from cloak. This evening I have been involving myself in pvp and all I have seen is groups of people just cloaking to avoid attacked and then striking from cover. Endlessly.
Is that all there is to pvp? One class, two abilities and it beats everything? Is it really this shallow?
Get gud. There are ways to counter this.
maybe tell him how instead of being condescending?Edited by Cody on February 10, 2016 10:34PM0 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭PhantomSpaceCop wrote: »lets ignore the condescending remarks of half of these supposed "elites" here, and give you some advice on killing terrible NBs like me.
1. radiant magelight. It sees thru cloak, gives you a damage reduction bonus against stealthed attacks (50% I believe) and shuts down stealth, use it if you are a mana build. I used it with a mana build of my own and NBs became the easiest enemies for me
2. AOE attacks, if a NB cloaks, hit them with an AOE to break them out then destroy them. Half of the NB population rely almost entirely on cloak and cannot fight without it (half will run, even if its just one enemy) allowing you to chase and kill with ease.
3. there is no such thing as "perma CC" whoever said that on this thread is lying.. A player gets at minimum a 5 second CC immunity timer when a CC wears off. CC break fear or whatever, and afterwards put pressure on the NB. The class has no damage shields or quick self heals of its own excluding the resto staff shield and set shields, so if you apply pressure, most NBs will go down.
everything else you must learn from experience.
So thaaaaat's what Magelight's for. Good to know. I see a lot of players with the little ball winging around them and I figured it was mainly for aesthetic.
Big props, btw, to ppl on this thread who had helpful notes (like this). And thanks to OP for asking the question, it's something I've been quietly wondering myself, observing gankers.
its the morphed version known as radiant magelight that does that, not the original version or the "inner light" morph,, so get the right morph before taking it into PvP.
Radiant magelight will make most NBs A LOT easier for you to deal with, their cloak will be rendered almost useless (it especially will in the thieves guild patch coming next month, check the patch notes), reduces stealth damage done to you AND NEARBY ALLIES by a minimum of 50%, with it going up an extra 2% per rank up, and increase spell critical chance. It is a fantastic ability to use if stealth based players are giving you trouble (not just nightblades, you will find sorcerers sneaking a lot as well, even a few templars and DKs every now and then)
Edited by Cody on February 10, 2016 10:39PM0 -
AshTal✭✭✭✭I think any class could be considered over powered, the power difference between a top 1% and the other 99% is staggering. I have seen a single DK wrecking blow his way through a keep full of people while spamming reflective scales over and over bearly taking any damage. That said the simple number of NB's is staggering they seem to make up over 50% of the PvP player base and I find being ganked by them annoying, the mass fear to be a death sentence and the battle to be rather un fun. Least with other battles get to at least fight back - unless the lag cripples us but with NB's its over in seconds.
Yes I know I suck at PvP and should learn to play.0 -
Didaco✭✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »Emma_Eunjung wrote: »Radiant Magelight will help you with some NBs, but it does nothing to protect you from Stamblades who have several different ways of perma-CCing their victims. I haven't been able to test these on the PTS yet (where are all the scummy gankers when you need them?), but supposedly ZOS was going to fix the stun from gap closers (which Nightblades can spam from ZERO distance!).
Perma CC? Are you being serious right now? Not sure if you have been to Cyrodiil yet, but you get a 5 second CC immunity after being CC'd. Perma CC does not exist, only mistakes and not knowing how to PvP or react to certain situations.
Radiant Magelight shuts down Stealth and Invisibility, particularly when you are mobile and stay on top of the NB not letting him get away. This is definitely an L2P issue.
Yes I'm being deadly serious. In PvE encounters, Break Free almost always works as intended and CC immunity is gained for several seconds. In PvP, however, there seem to be several hidden mechanics, possibly bugs or exploits, that allow PvP attackers to render their victims UNABLE to Break Free. Like many others, I can't help but notice that most these exploiters happen to be Stamblades who use a lot of gap closers and bugged abilities like Reverberating Bash.
I don't know if there's a bug around this, but it seems to me you're talking about stealth attacks: breaking free from stealth attacks doesn't grant CC immunity, so you'll be vulnerable to any other CC.
So yeah, you have to break free twice, and it can be deadly for a magicka build.
In b4 NERF STEALTH NERF NB COZ THEY STEALTH0 -
AtellusCalidusSoul ShrivenHow is this different from any wrecking blow spammer? I don't personally find this game to rely much on skill as it does rely on stats...
Try also 14k radiant destruction from templars and 10k crystal frags. It gets old really fast.0 -
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There are a lot of counters to PVP NBs. I've played a lot of pvp NB, so here's one thing to consider and work on.
Newer PVPers are pretty green, by which I mean they're so used to reacting to NPCs in PVE that it's almost second nature to do the same in Cyrodiil. In PVE, for example, you learn that you can stand ten meters in front of the boss messing with your skill bar and he's just going to wait for you and never react differently than his programming. Human players will see you, and they'll incorporate clever ways to try to kill you. (Or, in this example, not clever...id just kill you in five seconds if you skill bar in the open).
Getting good at pvp means bypassing the enemy, which means learning how other (often unpredictable) humans play. You're sieging a keep? What's the closest vantage point to your siege engines...there might be stealth enemies there. don't go over there alone. Crossing a bridge, gate or narrow valley between battle zones? Ditto. Spend some time paying attention to friendly night blades...how they play and how they hide is pretty much how your enemies will do those things.
Learn to use your stealth. It's not as powerful as a cloak, but a NB still can't see you easily if you are in sneak. There are a million hate threads about NBs sneaking in these forums...but next time you play count how many non NB players sneak. NO ONE USES SNEAK. Then, walking or horsing around in the open alone they get killed and come on here to complain about life being unfair. I feel for them - my night blade spends at least half his AP on condolence flowers he sends their orphaned wife and kids.
In answer to your question, no, pvp isn't just about cloak and kill. But NBs do function as necessary population control. We kill off reinforcements (or tie them up) and make moving across the map far more dangerous. When I'm in a large group with my guild (20-24), I will put myself between the battle and the enemy spawn point on the predictable path. When a player is racing to a keep under attack and gets ganked, they're gonna be peeved and gripe that it's no way to play. However, if my gank squad can kill off 5-10 incoming enemy players, that can quickly turn the tide of the battle.
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