AK47ZOMBIE66 wrote: »

Sav72 wrote: »

Leon119 wrote: »

How is this a nerfed cloak problem. Your problem is new magelight
Nonetheless just play around it...

If NB had a ability from preventing you to cast, shields heals or reflect for 5 sec, how would you feel?

They do, aspect of terror. Its not always easy to break out of, especially for magicka builds

With magelight, a nb can't get close enough to a sorc to use that

all sorcs will spam mage light ... forever ^^
whats about simply attacking a sorc and cast aspect of terrer after it? ^^ is it that difficult not to start with a stun? :P

ShalidorsHeir wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

yep and vise verse. they are the best counter to eachother.

"counter to eachother" -> is not possible ^^ if sorc counter nb - nb cant counter sorc xD but also to say that class simply counters another class is wrong in so many ways ^^

they are the two mobility classes, and yes it is possible because they are in opposition to eachother

define "opposition" pls
if one class does not counter another class they are balanced in this case (ofc there are many ways to play a class and many builds you can use but this is just a logical thing) ^^

if sorc > nb then nb NOT > sorc and if nb > sorc then sorc NOT > nb

i think u can use the word "counter" for builds but not for classes in general

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

If anyone can magelight to stop a nb from cloaking away then everyone should also be able to cast an ability to stop sorcs from reapplying 3 shields after you get their shield down.

Dude I kill other sorcs all the time. Instead of taking to the forums and complaining about what terrible player you are, do some research and get gud.

Try killing a sorc as magicka nb in tg. Sorc has magelight, you cannot cloak to get near sorc to cc him with fear.

On live i can kill sorcs, but not if magelight will stop me from cloaking. Even with cloaking, sorcs take the longest to kill 1v1. Try it. Roll magicka nb and 1v1 sorcs.

All of mageblade's heals rely on damaging an enemy's health. With shields up, that means no heals. Spamming cloak was the only way to beat a shield stacking streaking *** as a mageblade.

Oh and streak ignores roots and snares. You call that balanced?

With this update, magicka dks will be strong but balanced, nb will be gimped, templars a bit stronger but still weak and magicka sorcs OP.

L2P?

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

AK47ZOMBIE66 wrote: »

Sav72 wrote: »

Leon119 wrote: »

How is this a nerfed cloak problem. Your problem is new magelight
Nonetheless just play around it...

If NB had a ability from preventing you to cast, shields heals or reflect for 5 sec, how would you feel?

They do, aspect of terror. Its not always easy to break out of, especially for magicka builds

With magelight, a nb can't get close enough to a sorc to use that

Do you really need to be on top of someone all the time to do damage? And you think that it matters if we can see you or not? How about instead of trying to kill us your way and failing and then crying, you try to fight us the way that actually works. And no I'm not going to train you how to kill me. If you can't figure it out that's your own failing.

Sav72 wrote: »

Leon119 wrote: »

How is this a nerfed cloak problem. Your problem is new magelight
Nonetheless just play around it...

If NB had a ability from preventing you to cast, shields heals or reflect for 5 sec, how would you feel?

Every1 has access to magelight firstly so its not a sorc problem.
2nd i play a templar ZOS has the ability to make all my skills useless and is currently using it

You are just upset that only sorcs are op now and u dont have an easymode button to save your ass

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Try killing a sorc as magicka nb in tg. Sorc has magelight, you cannot cloak to get near sorc to cc him with fear.

On live i can kill sorcs, but not if magelight will stop me from cloaking. Even with cloaking, sorcs take the longest to kill 1v1. Try it. Roll magicka nb and 1v1 sorcs.

All of mageblade's heals rely on damaging an enemy's health. With shields up, that means no heals. Spamming cloak was the only way to beat a shield stacking streaking *** as a mageblade.

Oh and streak ignores roots and snares. You call that balanced?

With this update, magicka dks will be strong but balanced, nb will be gimped, templars a bit stronger but still weak and magicka sorcs OP.

if your not actiivly in cloak they are not gonna have this skill poped( that last for 5 seconds) so if u ambush in u will beable to cloak and cc them before they hit the active ability that magelight has..its easy to see so time your combos with what you see them useing. spells have telegraphs for a reason.

NBs have a amazing magicka based gap closer and u cant catch another player?? mix up your skill slots and dont rely on the same old *** syhper or someone other pvpers told you to use in duels last patch.lotas fan into a fear into cloack then open up with vield strike for stealth dmg...oooh look cloak worked didnt it i just had to set it up with another skill..GOD FORBID zini made it harder for you to still kill people in under 2 seconds. All your dmg is still there and there is a resto staff on the off bar. where the best shield is the game awaits healing ward, avalible to all.

Sors class shield will be toned down along the line probly not this patch though. but even then your gonna complain about sorc using shields because of healing ward. and then if they nerf that all the magicka nbs will be nerfed with it, and all these people will be saying this isnt fair for nbs blah blah blah.

ShalidorsHeir wrote: »

define "opposition" pls
if one class does not counter another class they are balanced in this case (ofc there are many ways to play a class and many builds you can use but this is just a logical thing) ^^

if sorc > nb then nb NOT > sorc and if nb > sorc then sorc NOT > nb

i think u can use the word "counter" for builds but not for classes in general

No, because they are not specific counters to eachother, not like scales and projectiles for example.

It's more along the lines of mobility counters mobility.

SuperSayinJesus wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Try killing a sorc as magicka nb in tg. Sorc has magelight, you cannot cloak to get near sorc to cc him with fear.

On live i can kill sorcs, but not if magelight will stop me from cloaking. Even with cloaking, sorcs take the longest to kill 1v1. Try it. Roll magicka nb and 1v1 sorcs.

All of mageblade's heals rely on damaging an enemy's health. With shields up, that means no heals. Spamming cloak was the only way to beat a shield stacking streaking *** as a mageblade.

Oh and streak ignores roots and snares. You call that balanced?

With this update, magicka dks will be strong but balanced, nb will be gimped, templars a bit stronger but still weak and magicka sorcs OP.

if your not actiivly in cloak they are not gonna have this skill poped( that last for 5 seconds) so if u ambush in u will beable to cloak and cc them before they hit the active ability that magelight has..its easy to see so time your combos with what you see them useing. spells have telegraphs for a reason.

NBs have a amazing magicka based gap closer and u cant catch another player?? mix up your skill slots and dont rely on the same old *** syhper or someone other pvpers told you to use in duels last patch.lotas fan into a fear into cloack then open up with vield strike for stealth dmg...oooh look cloak worked didnt it i just had to set it up with another skill..GOD FORBID zini made it harder for you to still kill people in under 2 seconds. All your dmg is still there and there is a resto staff on the off bar. where the best shield is the game awaits healing ward, avalible to all.

Sors class shield will be toned down along the line probly not this patch though. but even then your gonna complain about sorc using shields because of healing ward. and then if they nerf that all the magicka nbs will be nerfed with it, and all these people will be saying this isnt fair for nbs blah blah blah.

So you're saying, L2P?

Xjcon wrote: »

Shields shouldn't stack. If you cast one after another it should simply remove one as it applies the next.

Gaining 20k over the top of 16k is very strong.

Or increase the cost of shields just like dodge roll or streak. I'd prefer they don't ever make shields like dodge roll but something needs to be done. Time for sorc to be dethroned.

Learn...

Xjcon wrote: »

Shields shouldn't stack. If you cast one after another it should simply remove one as it applies the next.

Gaining 20k over the top of 16k is very strong.

Or increase the cost of shields just like dodge roll or streak. I'd prefer they don't ever make shields like dodge roll but something needs to be done. Time for sorc to be dethroned.

play.

Oh no. Is OP an ESO streamer? More streamer QQ because they can't kill target fast enough ?

Xjcon wrote: »

You mean L2 sorc or gtfo?

No, I mean learn how to kill sorcs. It's not as difficult as you think, but it does require you to do something different than what you are currently doing. To put it another way, rather than go onto the forums complaining about how terrible your build/playstyle is at fighting sorcs, do some very basic research and learn their weaknesses. You might save yourself some embarrassment.
See, when sorcs see people QQ on the forums about our shields we laugh, because we know our weaknesses. The fact that you can't seem to figure it out just amuses us.

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

All shields should scale from Health.

Sure all healing should scale from maxhealth only then too. All defense actually. That would be sooo much fun...

That's up to discussion I guess. But these are exactly question the devs should be dealing with.

It´s not going to happen because the sorc class has a total of five skills that all entirely scale with only magica (in case you did not know that). Too much work reworking all of those.

I'm not saying it's gonna happen or not, I just give here my ideas. And this topic is very close to the problem of unbalanced stats we have in the game and could be used as one of the tools to solve that problem.

Only a perceived problem imho. I very rarely see people with 100% 1 stat builds in pvp.

It´s a pve occurance and i´ve not seen pve players complain about it a lot.

You know, in most games it's normal when you boost your defense, you have to sacrifice some of your offense. And vice versa. Only in Eso you boost both of them when you just stack your magicka. That's not good and should be changed.

Of course the same applies for stamina.

Actually that your suggestion to scale all defense of health is pretty good.

But would result in abomination builds with insane healthpools coupled with high regeneration and no other stats. These kind of builds would be nearly impossible to kill.

Also these would lead to builds going for more health leading to weaker offense and higher defense while defense already outperforms offense in most scenarios (you can´t kill someone playing entirely defensive who´s aware of you).
Basically compared to now balanced builds would have weaker offense and weaker defense but 10 to 15k more hp.

It would require a complete rebalancing of the game (again) which is an idea i´m not too fond of given how long the developers take to roll out changes and fixes to mechanics that turn out as too powerful or weak.

I think heavy rebalancing the classes is just what they are doing this and next DLC, correct me if I'm wrong. I think I heard it somewhere.

Rebalancing of classes in a somewhat working system is in a completely different league than balancing the foundation (cp, attribute system) and afterwards having to rebalance every class again.

ATM they rebalance classes and make tweaks to the system. What you want is a complete rework of underlying mechanics.