Cloak Nerf Vs Sorc Shield Spammer

mr_wazzabi

If anyone can magelight to stop a nb from cloaking away then everyone should also be able to cast an ability to stop sorcs from reapplying 3 shields after you get their shield down.

oibam

Just let shields scale with HP. Or the average of Magicka and HP.

olsborg

The cloak nerf was too much, not being able to even execute the skill if you are marked or otherwise kept from cloaking will take away the ability to apply minor protection, wich is a huge nerf. It pretty much removes the skill from your hotbar for the duration of mark or other detection methods...silly, silly, silly...

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

If anyone can magelight to stop a nb from cloaking away then everyone should also be able to cast an ability to stop sorcs from reapplying 3 shields after you get their shield down.

I'll just say what many NB's have said in live but for sorcs these times. There's lots of counters for shields, you just need to L2P

Cinbri

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

If anyone can magelight to stop a nb from cloaking away then everyone should also be able to cast an ability to stop sorcs from reapplying 3 shields after you get their shield down.

To tone down shields they introduced new CP that buff damage vs shields up to 25%.

Docmandu

Cinbri wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

If anyone can magelight to stop a nb from cloaking away then everyone should also be able to cast an ability to stop sorcs from reapplying 3 shields after you get their shield down.

To tone down shields they introduced new CP that buff damage vs shields up to 25%.

Which nobody is going to spec in as there's much better points to spend in that constellation.

Why spend X points to get Y more damage versus a shield, when you can spend those X points to get Y more damage overall, including shields.

disclaimer: I didn't run the math to see if there is a tipping point or even if my statement is true

Mumyo

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

If anyone can magelight to stop a nb from cloaking away then everyone should also be able to cast an ability to stop sorcs from reapplying 3 shields after you get their shield down.

U can apply dots on it now.
Use shieldbreaker.
Use the CP grating u 25% more dmg on it. (pretty much when u keep in mind that there is no armor on them)

Nifty2g

here we go easy shield fix

-scale from your max stat
- your second shield gives 75% diminishing returns and so forth
- enforces smart gameplay with your shields
- removes toxic playstyle from pvp

Junkogen

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

If anyone can magelight to stop a nb from cloaking away then everyone should also be able to cast an ability to stop sorcs from reapplying 3 shields after you get their shield down.

I'll just say what many NB's have said in live but for sorcs these times. There's lots of counters for shields, you just need to L2P

Name them. Shield breaker doesn't count because it's a complete set. Name abilities.

Derra

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

If anyone can magelight to stop a nb from cloaking away then everyone should also be able to cast an ability to stop sorcs from reapplying 3 shields after you get their shield down.

Or they could finally get rid of stacking multiple shields...

Jura23

All shields should scale from Health.

LorDrek

Nifty2g wrote: »

here we go easy shield fix

-scale from your max stat
- your second shield gives 75% diminishing returns and so forth
- enforces smart gameplay with your shields
- removes toxic playstyle from pvp

Yes yes yes yes pls

Derra

Jura23 wrote: »

All shields should scale from Health.

Sure all healing should scale from maxhealth only then too. All defense actually. That would be sooo much fun...

Jura23

LorDrek wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

here we go easy shield fix

-scale from your max stat
- your second shield gives 75% diminishing returns and so forth
- enforces smart gameplay with your shields
- removes toxic playstyle from pvp

Yes yes yes yes pls

I say no, because that only supports current meta for stacking single stat. I don't want that and I think many ppl don't as well. Players should be forced to make choices and sacrificies, not jsut stack everything into one stat.

Jura23

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

All shields should scale from Health.

Sure all healing should scale from maxhealth only then too. All defense actually. That would be sooo much fun...

That's up to discussion I guess. But these are exactly question the devs should be dealing with.

Derra

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

All shields should scale from Health.

Sure all healing should scale from maxhealth only then too. All defense actually. That would be sooo much fun...

That's up to discussion I guess. But these are exactly question the devs should be dealing with.

It´s not going to happen because the sorc class has a total of five skills that all entirely scale with only magica (in case you did not know that). Too much work reworking all of those.

You´re basically proposing breaking 4 skills in order to fix one that you feel is overperforming.

Jura23

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

All shields should scale from Health.

Sure all healing should scale from maxhealth only then too. All defense actually. That would be sooo much fun...

That's up to discussion I guess. But these are exactly question the devs should be dealing with.

It´s not going to happen because the sorc class has a total of five skills that all entirely scale with only magica (in case you did not know that). Too much work reworking all of those.

I'm not saying it's gonna happen or not, I just give here my ideas. And this topic is very close to the problem of unbalanced stats we have in the game and could be used as one of the tools to solve that problem.

Tower_Of_Shame

olsborg wrote: »

The cloak nerf was too much, not being able to even execute the skill if you are marked or otherwise kept from cloaking will take away the ability to apply minor protection, wich is a huge nerf. It pretty much removes the skill from your hotbar for the duration of mark or other detection methods...silly, silly, silly...

why are u crying so hard? You can just hop on to your sorc and spam shields instead of spam cloak...
I cant see the problem here.

Derra

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

All shields should scale from Health.

Sure all healing should scale from maxhealth only then too. All defense actually. That would be sooo much fun...

That's up to discussion I guess. But these are exactly question the devs should be dealing with.

It´s not going to happen because the sorc class has a total of five skills that all entirely scale with only magica (in case you did not know that). Too much work reworking all of those.

I'm not saying it's gonna happen or not, I just give here my ideas. And this topic is very close to the problem of unbalanced stats we have in the game and could be used as one of the tools to solve that problem.

Only a perceived problem imho. I very rarely see people with 100% 1 stat builds in pvp.

It´s a pve occurance and i´ve not seen pve players complain about it a lot.

Jura23

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

All shields should scale from Health.

Sure all healing should scale from maxhealth only then too. All defense actually. That would be sooo much fun...

That's up to discussion I guess. But these are exactly question the devs should be dealing with.

It´s not going to happen because the sorc class has a total of five skills that all entirely scale with only magica (in case you did not know that). Too much work reworking all of those.

I'm not saying it's gonna happen or not, I just give here my ideas. And this topic is very close to the problem of unbalanced stats we have in the game and could be used as one of the tools to solve that problem.

Only a perceived problem imho. I very rarely see people with 100% 1 stat builds in pvp.

It´s a pve occurance and i´ve not seen pve players complain about it a lot.

You know, in most games it's normal when you boost your defense, you have to sacrifice some of your offense. And vice versa. Only in Eso you boost both of them when you just stack your magicka. That's not good and should be changed.

Of course the same applies for stamina.

Actually that your suggestion to scale all defense of health is pretty good.

Derra

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

All shields should scale from Health.

Sure all healing should scale from maxhealth only then too. All defense actually. That would be sooo much fun...

That's up to discussion I guess. But these are exactly question the devs should be dealing with.

It´s not going to happen because the sorc class has a total of five skills that all entirely scale with only magica (in case you did not know that). Too much work reworking all of those.

I'm not saying it's gonna happen or not, I just give here my ideas. And this topic is very close to the problem of unbalanced stats we have in the game and could be used as one of the tools to solve that problem.

Only a perceived problem imho. I very rarely see people with 100% 1 stat builds in pvp.

It´s a pve occurance and i´ve not seen pve players complain about it a lot.

You know, in most games it's normal when you boost your defense, you have to sacrifice some of your offense. And vice versa. Only in Eso you boost both of them when you just stack your magicka. That's not good and should be changed.

Of course the same applies for stamina.

Actually that your suggestion to scale all defense of health is pretty good.

But would result in abomination builds with insane healthpools coupled with high regeneration and no other stats. These kind of builds would be nearly impossible to kill.

Also these would lead to builds going for more health leading to weaker offense and higher defense while defense already outperforms offense in most scenarios (you can´t kill someone playing entirely defensive who´s aware of you).
Basically compared to now balanced builds would have weaker offense and weaker defense but 10 to 15k more hp.

It would require a complete rebalancing of the game (again) which is an idea i´m not too fond of given how long the developers take to roll out changes and fixes to mechanics that turn out as too powerful or weak.

kyle.wilson

You can use the shieldbreaker set or just negate on a sorc.

Templars can also shield stack, but that's never mentioned, Did everyone forget the blazing shield builds seen lately in blackwater blade.

Ryuho

Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

The cloak nerf was too much, not being able to even execute the skill if you are marked or otherwise kept from cloaking will take away the ability to apply minor protection, wich is a huge nerf. It pretty much removes the skill from your hotbar for the duration of mark or other detection methods...silly, silly, silly...

why are u crying so hard? You can just hop on to your sorc and spam shields instead of spam cloak...
I cant see the problem here.

@Tower_Of_Shame Daryn he wants to play as he want to (playing as a nb I mean), it's the basic of this game or at least it should be

Personally I love cloak changes, as a person who played nb a lot, can't wait to dot pesky nbs to dead on my DK

Jura23

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

All shields should scale from Health.

Sure all healing should scale from maxhealth only then too. All defense actually. That would be sooo much fun...

That's up to discussion I guess. But these are exactly question the devs should be dealing with.

It´s not going to happen because the sorc class has a total of five skills that all entirely scale with only magica (in case you did not know that). Too much work reworking all of those.

I'm not saying it's gonna happen or not, I just give here my ideas. And this topic is very close to the problem of unbalanced stats we have in the game and could be used as one of the tools to solve that problem.

Only a perceived problem imho. I very rarely see people with 100% 1 stat builds in pvp.

It´s a pve occurance and i´ve not seen pve players complain about it a lot.

You know, in most games it's normal when you boost your defense, you have to sacrifice some of your offense. And vice versa. Only in Eso you boost both of them when you just stack your magicka. That's not good and should be changed.

Of course the same applies for stamina.

Actually that your suggestion to scale all defense of health is pretty good.

But would result in abomination builds with insane healthpools coupled with high regeneration and no other stats. These kind of builds would be nearly impossible to kill.

Also these would lead to builds going for more health leading to weaker offense and higher defense while defense already outperforms offense in most scenarios (you can´t kill someone playing entirely defensive who´s aware of you).
Basically compared to now balanced builds would have weaker offense and weaker defense but 10 to 15k more hp.

It would require a complete rebalancing of the game (again) which is an idea i´m not too fond of given how long the developers take to roll out changes and fixes to mechanics that turn out as too powerful or weak.

I think heavy rebalancing the classes is just what they are doing this and next DLC, correct me if I'm wrong. I think I heard it somewhere.

kyle.wilson

But why can a magicka build be bubbled and a stam build has nothing to stop it.
Many times a magicka heavy group has been wiped by 1 negate.

On my stam build ill stand in a bubble and spin. Perfect example is resources. I buff up. jump on the flag and spin through the mage bubble. I usually take them solo.

Eejit1331

Sounds like someone is too lazy to use all the counters provided to get past shields.
This is simply a L2P issue.

Sav72

Cant compare the two, you are nerfing and destroying the CORE of a class, (def, plus to attacks, buffs etc..) vs 1 ability.


To even allow this insane idea to hit PTS, upsets me even more, whats next?

hmm, Tanks cant use shields anymore?

Leon119

How is this a nerfed cloak problem. Your problem is new magelight
Nonetheless just play around it...

Sav72

Leon119 wrote: »

How is this a nerfed cloak problem. Your problem is new magelight
Nonetheless just play around it...

If NB had a ability from preventing you to cast, shields heals or reflect for 5 sec, how would you feel?

GreenSoup2HoT

Everyone keep's stating there's this new passive to do 25% more damage to sorc shield's....

In the mean time Sorc's are pumping all their point's into Hardy now for physical resist completely negating this passive...smh

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

Sav72 wrote: »

Leon119 wrote: »

How is this a nerfed cloak problem. Your problem is new magelight
Nonetheless just play around it...

If NB had a ability from preventing you to cast, shields heals or reflect for 5 sec, how would you feel?

Well, being able to cloak in the face of an opponent wasn't good at all, and you know it. I'd be fine with magelight being the way it used to but then put a minimum distance you need to be before you can cloak. Same with spambush.