Adult women biggest demographic in gaming

failkiwib16_ESO · February 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

then we would see more content catering to female interests.

What should we consider "female interests" if there are females who like "Candy Crush" and females who like "Dark Souls"?
Storytelling-wise tastes of female audience can also differ - there's "50 shades of Grey" fans, and horror/thriller fans as well, and some of us prefer historical dramas...

Whatever that there might be of interest in the particular genre of game, for women. I wasn't thinking of implementing a candy-crush minigame in ESO lol

Complex games with lots of lore such a Skyrim, ESO are already making a huge effort in catering to their audiences, both females and males. All these games have a fair long list of female protagonists and antagonists. There are small details and stuff that still is lacking a bit.

In ESO there are tons of revealing and skimpy costumes for female chars, but really few costumes designed for male chars - and none of them are revealing or sexualizing the male body.

@Lysette @BabeestorGor
wow thanks for bringing it to my attention, I wasn't aware the difference between the roles of men and women in a modern family was still that big >.< damn..

gw2only1b14_ESO · February 2016

tinythinker wrote: »

http://www.dailydot.com/geek/adult-women-largest-gaming-demographic

Not surprising. Many women wanted to be nerdy and geeky growing up but faced hostility, mockery, and pressure to conform to what was deemed "girly stuff", not science, sci-fi, epic sword and sorcery type fantasy, etc. So comic books, action figures, video games, etc were geared to boys. Now those girls have grown up, pop culture has embraced geekiness, and these women don't give a #$%^ about stereotypes that get in the way of their fun and friendships.

There are clearly many adults on ESO, and quite a larger number of them women. I think some games are a better fit for a wider audience, and ESO has a lot of potential to be that kind of game. OK, back to playing. Anyone want to run the daily Undaunted? Type X in guild...

That and in my case I have 3 daughters that 2 of them are little gamers the other ehhh uhh well shes into that Pokémon crap

Rosveen · February 2016

gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

http://www.dailydot.com/geek/adult-women-largest-gaming-demographic

Not surprising. Many women wanted to be nerdy and geeky growing up but faced hostility, mockery, and pressure to conform to what was deemed "girly stuff", not science, sci-fi, epic sword and sorcery type fantasy, etc. So comic books, action figures, video games, etc were geared to boys. Now those girls have grown up, pop culture has embraced geekiness, and these women don't give a #$%^ about stereotypes that get in the way of their fun and friendships.

There are clearly many adults on ESO, and quite a larger number of them women. I think some games are a better fit for a wider audience, and ESO has a lot of potential to be that kind of game. OK, back to playing. Anyone want to run the daily Undaunted? Type X in guild...

That and in my case I have 3 daughters that 2 of them are little gamers the other ehhh uhh well shes into that Pokémon crap

gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »

Pokémon crap

EdmundTowers · February 2016

All this talk about female representation made me realize there are no pregnant female characters in ESO. Or any babies either...except for spider/monster babies which we murder without a second thought.

I think this issue needs to be resolved asap. A pregnant female monster boss needs to be added. One that gives birth mid fight and throws her offspring at you...and they attack you. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool.

elantaura · February 2016

Gosh darn it they are onto us, it might be time to come clean and say those 80% of people you don't talk to are the women. We really outnumber you all and pretend to be annoying 12 year old boys on occasion, tea bagging, and participate general annoying behavior, just to keep you guessing this is so you never discover the truth, then you avoid us and keep to yourselves..It's a conspiracy

Mojmir · February 2016

no candy crush in my house, theyre playing

EdmundTowers wrote: »

All this talk about female representation made me realize there are no pregnant female characters in ESO. Or any babies either...except for spider/monster babies which we murder without a second thought.

I think this issue needs to be resolved asap. A pregnant female monster boss needs to be added. One that gives birth mid fight and throws her offspring at you...and they attack you. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool.

that's so metal

Recremen · February 2016

EdmundTowers wrote: »

All this talk about female representation made me realize there are no pregnant female characters in ESO. Or any babies either...except for spider/monster babies which we murder without a second thought.

I think this issue needs to be resolved asap. A pregnant female monster boss needs to be added. One that gives birth mid fight and throws her offspring at you...and they attack you. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool.

If we ever fight a Sload I can almost guarantee this kind of nonsense would happen.

Volkodav · February 2016

Genomic wrote: »

ParaNostram wrote: »

Genomic wrote: »

Fighting unfair stereotypes with another, unfair (and even more mean-spirited) stereotype. Nice hypocrisy.

Well it's pretty unfair that everything women do is scrutinized so yeah. I'm tired of gaming being an old boy's club.

As for girl gamers, honestly most of my friends on ESO are women. I'm a woman. Maybe if people would stop assuming everybody is a straight dude they might learn things about the demographics of this game.

Two wrongs don't make a right. You don't fight bigotry be being a bigot.

This isnt bigotry.Research the word and come back to this comment.

Volkodav · February 2016

Umbranox wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Inb4Lock

Im also female and I think this fighting over gender equailty in this game in particular is a bit absurd.

Yeah there are more male rulers in this game than female....look at history and tell me that it was any different.
Of the big three in the game, one is female. Nothing wrong with that percentage.

Honestly I dont give a DMN. I love the game, it is well written and I feel as far as story is concerned, it is pretty inclusive.
Male, female, heterosexualism, homosexualism, cross species sexualism. Really what are we arguing about? lol

As far as the costumes are concerned, yea you have a point.

Oh ESO does a lot of things right. I love that they have put forth a world without homophobia or patriarchy. Every fantasy world in existence has at least had the latter, as if it is unthinkable that any existence could have gotten by without it. So that's super refreshing. Which is why when they do stuff like only have one of the Companions be female and put out skimpy female costumes but no corresponding ones for men it really annoys me. They've obviously tried really hard. But they still sometimes drop the ball.

Orcs are traditionally patriarchal for the most part. Makes sense given that they're based on historical Mongol society.

Where did you find out that they were based on the Mongols.Honest question here. :}

Mivryna · February 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

Umbranox wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Inb4Lock

Im also female and I think this fighting over gender equailty in this game in particular is a bit absurd.

Yeah there are more male rulers in this game than female....look at history and tell me that it was any different.
Of the big three in the game, one is female. Nothing wrong with that percentage.

Honestly I dont give a DMN. I love the game, it is well written and I feel as far as story is concerned, it is pretty inclusive.
Male, female, heterosexualism, homosexualism, cross species sexualism. Really what are we arguing about? lol

As far as the costumes are concerned, yea you have a point.

Oh ESO does a lot of things right. I love that they have put forth a world without homophobia or patriarchy. Every fantasy world in existence has at least had the latter, as if it is unthinkable that any existence could have gotten by without it. So that's super refreshing. Which is why when they do stuff like only have one of the Companions be female and put out skimpy female costumes but no corresponding ones for men it really annoys me. They've obviously tried really hard. But they still sometimes drop the ball.

Orcs are traditionally patriarchal for the most part. Makes sense given that they're based on historical Mongol society.

Where did you find out that they were based on the Mongols.Honest question here. :}

I'm not terribly familiar with Orc influences prior to ESO, but they have always been a nomadic warrior people. In ESO their clothing and armor seem to have heavy influences from Mongolian and eastern Russian styles.

Here's a Mongolian singer I really admire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmo3fKeveo

SlayerSyrena · February 2016

Volkodav · February 2016

Umbranox wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Umbranox wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Inb4Lock

Im also female and I think this fighting over gender equailty in this game in particular is a bit absurd.

Yeah there are more male rulers in this game than female....look at history and tell me that it was any different.
Of the big three in the game, one is female. Nothing wrong with that percentage.

Honestly I dont give a DMN. I love the game, it is well written and I feel as far as story is concerned, it is pretty inclusive.
Male, female, heterosexualism, homosexualism, cross species sexualism. Really what are we arguing about? lol

As far as the costumes are concerned, yea you have a point.

Oh ESO does a lot of things right. I love that they have put forth a world without homophobia or patriarchy. Every fantasy world in existence has at least had the latter, as if it is unthinkable that any existence could have gotten by without it. So that's super refreshing. Which is why when they do stuff like only have one of the Companions be female and put out skimpy female costumes but no corresponding ones for men it really annoys me. They've obviously tried really hard. But they still sometimes drop the ball.

Orcs are traditionally patriarchal for the most part. Makes sense given that they're based on historical Mongol society.

Where did you find out that they were based on the Mongols.Honest question here. :}

I'm not terribly familiar with Orc influences prior to ESO, but they have always been a nomadic warrior people. In ESO their clothing and armor seem to have heavy influences from Mongolian and eastern Russian styles.

Here's a Mongolian singer I really admire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmo3fKeveo

Ahh.I thought you had read or seen somewhere that the Devs had based them on the Mongols.
Nice video btw. :}

Faulgor · February 2016

Umbranox wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Umbranox wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Inb4Lock

Im also female and I think this fighting over gender equailty in this game in particular is a bit absurd.

Yeah there are more male rulers in this game than female....look at history and tell me that it was any different.
Of the big three in the game, one is female. Nothing wrong with that percentage.

Honestly I dont give a DMN. I love the game, it is well written and I feel as far as story is concerned, it is pretty inclusive.
Male, female, heterosexualism, homosexualism, cross species sexualism. Really what are we arguing about? lol

As far as the costumes are concerned, yea you have a point.

Oh ESO does a lot of things right. I love that they have put forth a world without homophobia or patriarchy. Every fantasy world in existence has at least had the latter, as if it is unthinkable that any existence could have gotten by without it. So that's super refreshing. Which is why when they do stuff like only have one of the Companions be female and put out skimpy female costumes but no corresponding ones for men it really annoys me. They've obviously tried really hard. But they still sometimes drop the ball.

Orcs are traditionally patriarchal for the most part. Makes sense given that they're based on historical Mongol society.

Where did you find out that they were based on the Mongols.Honest question here. :}

I'm not terribly familiar with Orc influences prior to ESO, but they have always been a nomadic warrior people. In ESO their clothing and armor seem to have heavy influences from Mongolian and eastern Russian styles.

Here's a Mongolian singer I really admire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmo3fKeveo

Always a strange and pleasant surprise when you see something from your own youtube favourites being posted, lol.

He's incredible. Could really see an Orc doing that.

Spottswoode · February 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

As a long time "gamer chick" ESO has done a couple things that push my buttons (and not in the good way). Five Companions. ONE is female...and she's a very busty blond and it's intimated time and again by Abner that she's none too bright. Granted he makes sure to take shots at everybody but Lyris seems to get the worst of it. I get that we're supposed to realize he's a creep but c'mon already.

Abnur Tharn acts that way toward Lyris because he's an elitist condescending J@ck@$$ who looks down on everyone except himself. (He's also a mage. Mages have a tendency to treat fighters like they have the dumbzzzz.) His only redeeming feature is that he's patriotic enough to put aside his greed and avarice in order to save the world. You're supposed to hate him.

Volkodav · February 2016

Spottswoode wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

As a long time "gamer chick" ESO has done a couple things that push my buttons (and not in the good way). Five Companions. ONE is female...and she's a very busty blond and it's intimated time and again by Abner that she's none too bright. Granted he makes sure to take shots at everybody but Lyris seems to get the worst of it. I get that we're supposed to realize he's a creep but c'mon already.

Abnur Tharn acts that way toward Lyris because he's an elitist condescending J@ck@$$ who looks down on everyone except himself. (He's also a mage. Mages have a tendency to treat fighters like they have the dumbzzzz.) His only redeeming feature is that he's patriotic enough to put aside his greed and avarice in order to save the world. You're supposed to hate him.

I like Abnur and the actor who voices him.Alfred Molina. Every time I hear his voice,it makes me smile.

Spottswoode · February 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

Spottswoode wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

As a long time "gamer chick" ESO has done a couple things that push my buttons (and not in the good way). Five Companions. ONE is female...and she's a very busty blond and it's intimated time and again by Abner that she's none too bright. Granted he makes sure to take shots at everybody but Lyris seems to get the worst of it. I get that we're supposed to realize he's a creep but c'mon already.

Abnur Tharn acts that way toward Lyris because he's an elitist condescending J@ck@$$ who looks down on everyone except himself. (He's also a mage. Mages have a tendency to treat fighters like they have the dumbzzzz.) His only redeeming feature is that he's patriotic enough to put aside his greed and avarice in order to save the world. You're supposed to hate him.

I like Abnur and the actor who voices him.Alfred Molina. Every time I hear his voice,it makes me smile.

That's because you're sarcastic. Like me.

Volkodav · February 2016

Spottswoode wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Spottswoode wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

As a long time "gamer chick" ESO has done a couple things that push my buttons (and not in the good way). Five Companions. ONE is female...and she's a very busty blond and it's intimated time and again by Abner that she's none too bright. Granted he makes sure to take shots at everybody but Lyris seems to get the worst of it. I get that we're supposed to realize he's a creep but c'mon already.

Abnur Tharn acts that way toward Lyris because he's an elitist condescending J@ck@$$ who looks down on everyone except himself. (He's also a mage. Mages have a tendency to treat fighters like they have the dumbzzzz.) His only redeeming feature is that he's patriotic enough to put aside his greed and avarice in order to save the world. You're supposed to hate him.

I like Abnur and the actor who voices him.Alfred Molina. Every time I hear his voice,it makes me smile.

That's because you're sarcastic. Like me.

I know.Isnt it wonderful. XD

Asherons_Call · February 2016

Sorry but Im having trouble believing this. No way there are more female than male gamers

mlstevens42_ESO · February 2016

Wanted to disabuse the notion that eve is a total sausage fest.....I am a woman and played eve for more then six years grew bored and moved on...further I have known several female gamers that did play that game. It may have more male to female ratio but it is by no means a male only scene. Wonders bout the supposed technical aspect of that game? Just know it wasn't because it was..."difficult" that I stopped playing. Ponders if the suggestion was that women just do not understand games like eve like they are some how mentally incapable or something...... Decides it is not worth the effort to argue or explain things to that sort ...is getting old and life is far to short....

MornaBaine · February 2016

mlstevens42_ESO wrote: »

Wanted to disabuse the notion that eve is a total sausage fest.....I am a woman and played eve for more then six years grew bored and moved on...further I have known several female gamers that did play that game. It may have more male to female ratio but it is by no means a male only scene. Wonders bout the supposed technical aspect of that game? Just know it wasn't because it was..."difficult" that I stopped playing. Ponders if the suggestion was that women just do not understand games like eve like they are some how mentally incapable or something...... Decides it is not worth the effort to argue or explain things to that sort ...is getting old and life is far to short....

I also played EvE for a few months. There were many things I liked about it. Especially its utterly gorgeous character creation system that I have yet to see be rivaled. Sadly, when I was playing, you couldn't really do anything with them after you made them. So for all intents and purposes, you're a ship in EvE. And I just couldn't get into that despite how many cool things the game had going for it.

Wily_Wizard · February 2016

Here's an updated gaming demographic from 2015. You will need a PDF viewer to see it.
There's a lot of interesting info in this report.

http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ESA-Essential-Facts-2015.pdf

Here's a good article from a prominent gamer.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-05/bendixsen-girls-have-always-been-game/7142890
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sigarms · February 2016

I am a woman in my thirty's, who loves this game. My son has always had an xbox and I would play games with him. I enjoyed the Lego series games the most. Then my son got Fable when it was out a while and free. I saw that I could customize a female character and I enjoyed the game. My son moved on as he got a little older to combat type games and played with his friends on live. I on the other hand looked other role playing games....which I never even knew existed. I got a bunch of different ones because they were out for so long they were cheap and even free. Dragon Age, Mass effect and then Skyrim. I told my son about Skyrim and he loved it.

I love customizing the looks of my characters, I know I am a weirdo. If I don't like the way my character looked in game, I would just keep remaking until they were perfect to me. I have all blonde females, busty and gorgeous (I am blonde irl and I made one that looks like me, she's attractive and not as busty) I just cant seem to roll anything else and enjoy the character as much....someone who knows psychology can maybe explain this to me.

The weird thing is I am just so socially awkward when I have to talk without seeing a person, like on the phone or online. I want to talk but I am just not comfortable and if someone wants to group up, I would love to but don't. I am not that good of a player and I feel they will just regret the group up. I did choose a gamertag that reflects this, though I am not sure if that helps.

I love this game, the scenery, the stories, the custom character and armors. I love that there are other players, they bring me entertainment that you just do not get with ncp's. People are just hysterical. Sometimes I enjoy just standing around observing in the main areas. One time I think it was Daggerfall and everyone was on their mounts trying to see how many of them could fit on the bag venders cart. I know, I think everything is funny, but I enjoyed a good laugh. I have not run into any mean players and I play a lot since xbox launch, it is my escape from my otherwise mundane grind of a life. Sorry, I know I can ramble on....

Elsonso · February 2016

Wily_Wizard wrote: »

Here's an updated gaming demographic from 2015. You will need a PDF viewer to see it.
There's a lot of interesting info in this report.

http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ESA-Essential-Facts-2015.pdf

Interesting what the #4 computer game by units sold was in 2014.

Lysette · February 2016

mlstevens42_ESO wrote: »

Wanted to disabuse the notion that eve is a total sausage fest.....I am a woman and played eve for more then six years grew bored and moved on...further I have known several female gamers that did play that game. It may have more male to female ratio but it is by no means a male only scene. Wonders bout the supposed technical aspect of that game? Just know it wasn't because it was..."difficult" that I stopped playing. Ponders if the suggestion was that women just do not understand games like eve like they are some how mentally incapable or something...... Decides it is not worth the effort to argue or explain things to that sort ...is getting old and life is far to short....

I am playing EVE since 2008 too and there are women in EVE, just not that many. My personal guess is less 5%. There is a huge amount of female avatars though, a lot of men prefer to play with female characters - easy to discover, because they always make boobs too big and too high up for the age of that character.

Turelus · February 2016

Gamers are gamers, race, gender, sexuality or any other differences in the person are not important.

The only importance online is, are they a nice person, or another troll/griefer/*bleep*.

Lysette · February 2016

Turelus wrote: »

Gamers are gamers, race, gender, sexuality or any other differences in the person are not important.

The only importance online is, are they a nice person, or another troll/griefer/*bleep*.

Yes, but there is a social component to it as well - some of my best and long lasting online friends I met in games under rather weird circumstances. If we would not have talked about RL as well and what "role" we play in the real world, I would have missed out on these friends, because just game-wise we would never have become friends. Just the real person behind it made us friends. So to me it is important, with whom I play, from where they are, what gender they are and what they do in real life. These are all information, which are required to find common ground to build on a long lasting friendship which outlives the game which we are playing together. So IMO this is of importance.

Hope499 · February 2016

Ohhhh. cmon we need to let this thread die....dont get me all riled up now....

failkiwib16_ESO · February 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Gamers are gamers, race, gender, sexuality or any other differences in the person are not important.

The only importance online is, are they a nice person, or another troll/griefer/*bleep*.

Yes, but there is a social component to it as well - some of my best and long lasting online friends I met in games under rather weird circumstances. If we would not have talked about RL as well and what "role" we play in the real world, I would have missed out on these friends, because just game-wise we would never have become friends. Just the real person behind it made us friends. So to me it is important, with whom I play, from where they are, what gender they are and what they do in real life. These are all information, which are required to find common ground to build on a long lasting friendship which outlives the game which we are playing together. So IMO this is of importance.

It's only of importance because you actually care about having long lasting friendships through this game. Personally I prefer not to have any long lasting friendships through ESO, so I feel much like Turelus and I don't care about stuff like gender or other irl information, unless it is relevant to group play... eg. are they green/red color blind and stuff like that.

Lysette · February 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Gamers are gamers, race, gender, sexuality or any other differences in the person are not important.

The only importance online is, are they a nice person, or another troll/griefer/*bleep*.

Yes, but there is a social component to it as well - some of my best and long lasting online friends I met in games under rather weird circumstances. If we would not have talked about RL as well and what "role" we play in the real world, I would have missed out on these friends, because just game-wise we would never have become friends. Just the real person behind it made us friends. So to me it is important, with whom I play, from where they are, what gender they are and what they do in real life. These are all information, which are required to find common ground to build on a long lasting friendship which outlives the game which we are playing together. So IMO this is of importance.

It's only of importance because you actually care about having long lasting friendships through this game. Personally I prefer not to have any long lasting friendships through ESO, so I feel much like Turelus and I don't care about stuff like gender or other irl information, unless it is relevant to group play... eg. are they green/red color blind and stuff like that.

I care about people, especially for those where I play with for a longer time and I want to know what they are like in real life in order to treat them in the right way. If someone is not a scientist for example, I have to explain what I do in laymen terms, otherwise I can just do it in a professional manner and we can exchange some more information in a shorter amount of time.

There are a lot of students in this game, working on pretty interesting cutting edge stuff - this is not game related at all, what I am interested in with some of them. And these common interests we might share, can lead to long lasting friendships, which extend far beyond a game.

BreacaT · February 2016

Her first pc game ever (aged 40-something), totally hooked....

https://gyazo.com/f06ffa2c61840ccb540150275832fc25