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Adult women biggest demographic in gaming
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Fighting unfair stereotypes with another, unfair (and even more mean-spirited) stereotype. Nice hypocrisy.
Well it's pretty unfair that everything women do is scrutinized so yeah. I'm tired of gaming being an old boy's club.
As for girl gamers, honestly most of my friends on ESO are women. I'm a woman. Maybe if people would stop assuming everybody is a straight dude they might learn things about the demographics of this game."Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »As a long time "gamer chick" ESO has done a couple things that push my buttons (and not in the good way). Five Companions. ONE is female...and she's a very busty blond and it's intimated time and again by Abner that she's none too bright. Granted he makes sure to take shots at everybody but Lyris seems to get the worst of it. I get that we're supposed to realize he's a creep but c'mon already.
The other thing has been with the Crown Store costumes. Love the dancing girl outfits! But why are there no male outfits that are equally as revealing??? As far as I am concerned ALL costumes ought to come in both a male and female version. I'm not talking about your character being able to wear them and just end up weirdly distorted anyway but an actual COMPARABLE costume for each. ZOS needs to fix that ASAP. And they need to make sure it does NOT become a trend!
It even seems as if there are more Kings and higher level MALE nobles in DC than queens and female nobles. What's up with that ZOS?
Careful, if you speak too much truth somebody'll get offended. Shhh!"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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Yeah, genuine issues, like how women are underrepresented in gaming. So to combat being under represented, we should stop complaining about it openly where we know ZOS sees and takes note? Seems legit.Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on February 7, 2016 2:03AM"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
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Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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Mivryna✭✭✭MornaBaine wrote: »As a long time "gamer chick" ESO has done a couple things that push my buttons (and not in the good way). Five Companions. ONE is female...and she's a very busty blond and it's intimated time and again by Abner that she's none too bright. Granted he makes sure to take shots at everybody but Lyris seems to get the worst of it. I get that we're supposed to realize he's a creep but c'mon already.
The other thing has been with the Crown Store costumes. Love the dancing girl outfits! But why are there no male outfits that are equally as revealing??? As far as I am concerned ALL costumes ought to come in both a male and female version. I'm not talking about your character being able to wear them and just end up weirdly distorted anyway but an actual COMPARABLE costume for each. ZOS needs to fix that ASAP. And they need to make sure it does NOT become a trend!
It even seems as if there are more Kings and higher level MALE nobles in DC than queens and female nobles. What's up with that ZOS?
The point about Lyris seems to be a stretch. She never came across to me as "some busty blonde". She's pretty normally proportioned (albeit a quarter-giant), her backstory feels meaningful, she has the most physical strength of any of the companions, and has a stoic and occasionally brutish personality. Hardly stereotypical. She even outright rejects the notion of being a mother or housewife towards the end.
And it's not surprising that the nerd wouldn't get along with the jock perfectly well. Yet even still I always got the impression that he has some sort of hidden sense of respect for her, although he has too big of an ego to admit it.
The point about costumes is reasonable. I'd like to see something rather Aladdin-like.7 -
EnemyOfDaState✭✭✭✭I'm offended as a black guy that females are trying to take our spot as the gamers everyone ignores, get in line. On a serious note this is the last game anyone should be talking about equality on.4 -
Genomic✭✭✭✭✭ParaNostram wrote: »
Fighting unfair stereotypes with another, unfair (and even more mean-spirited) stereotype. Nice hypocrisy.
Well it's pretty unfair that everything women do is scrutinized so yeah. I'm tired of gaming being an old boy's club.
As for girl gamers, honestly most of my friends on ESO are women. I'm a woman. Maybe if people would stop assuming everybody is a straight dude they might learn things about the demographics of this game.
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✭✭None of this even matters.Since anyone who wants to buy a game can do so.There is no rating that says for males only.And why is it a big deal anyway? It isnt.
Besides,people here are people on the other said of the monitors.Men and women,..who game.All of us.Polls mean nothing either.
Demographics arent important to people wanting to play a game.
Does any man go,.."Wait. Do women play this? If so how many? If there are too many,I cant play it." Do they?
I seriously doubt it.
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@EdmundTowers well to be honest I've never met a girl who got a console handed to them, when they were kids - but their brothers did, so they started playing games when their brothers did. I think there will be more equality in the future, when people realize their children equally drawn to gaming, regardless of gender.EdmundTowers wrote: »Pfft. Biggest demographic if you include casual online card/puzzle/trivia games according to that article.
As for "real" PC games. The ones that immerse you in an alternate reality and challenge you with a competitive multiplayer experience, mostly a sausage fest as far as I can tell. Met more men pretending to be women. Few have the competitive desire to play these types of games.
Anyways, i doubt 50% of all those big boobed high elves running around vuhkel guard are females. Most likely dudes playing ESO one handed.
Otherwise I do agree with you, for now the majority of the community in ESO are by far male dominated, however my impression is that 25-30% are females. The high amount of females probably has more to do with The Elder Scroll franchise and the roleplayer communities.
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✭✭✭✭✭I think that there's too much generalization in this article, and clickbait title doesnt add much credibility as well. Its hard to tell more precisely since "View the whole study online here" link doesnt work.
And yeah, female gamer, 25 years old, and mobile casual games make me want to kill myself.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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EnemyOfDaState✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »I think that there's too much generalization in this article, and clickbait title doesnt add much credibility as well. Its hard to tell more precisely since "View the whole study online here" link doesnt work.
And yeah, female gamer, 25 years old, and mobile casual games make me want to kill myself.
Mobile gaming and stuff like the Wii really messed up a lot of the statistics. Someone who is going to play Wii Fit and Candy Crush isn't always the same people who will play The Witcher and Metal Gear Solid.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭EnemyOfDaState wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »I think that there's too much generalization in this article, and clickbait title doesnt add much credibility as well. Its hard to tell more precisely since "View the whole study online here" link doesnt work.
And yeah, female gamer, 25 years old, and mobile casual games make me want to kill myself.
Mobile gaming and stuff like the Wii really messed up a lot of the statistics. Someone who is going to play Wii Fit and Candy Crush isn't always the same people who will play The Witcher and Metal Gear Solid.
Yeah, exactly.
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BabeestorGor✭✭✭✭Happy to say that in the 36+ years I've been playing rpgs attitudes have changed a lot.
Used to go to gaming clubs and conventions with my ex and it was usually assumed he'd dragged me along and I only played because he did when actually it was the other way round.
I don't think the gaming companies have fully caught up with the way the market has changed (eg the way The Witcher treated women) but Bethesda and ZOS seem pretty good at making games that cater to a diverse spectrum of players.Babeester Gor is the Axe Goddess, the Implacable Anger, the Avenging Daughter and the Earth Guardian.
Vriddi gra-Yildnarz, Dragonknight and Smith
Myrvanwe, Sorcerer and Enchanter
Tsajirra, Nightblade and Clothier
Vilvyni Indarys, Dragonknight and Woodworker
Arielle Alouette, Templar and Provisioner
Fishes in Troubled Waters, Nightblade and Alchemist
Shanika Some Long Title I'd Change If I Could, Templar and Aspirant Jeweller
Pippi Longhorn, Nightblade, Ne'er-do-well, and "Tribute" character
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✭✭✭✭✭failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »
@EdmundTowers well to be honest I've never met a girl who got a console handed to them, when they were kids - but their brothers did, so they started playing games when their brothers did. I think there will be more equality in the future, when people realize their children equally drawn to gaming, regardless of gender.EdmundTowers wrote: »Pfft. Biggest demographic if you include casual online card/puzzle/trivia games according to that article.
As for "real" PC games. The ones that immerse you in an alternate reality and challenge you with a competitive multiplayer experience, mostly a sausage fest as far as I can tell. Met more men pretending to be women. Few have the competitive desire to play these types of games.
Anyways, i doubt 50% of all those big boobed high elves running around vuhkel guard are females. Most likely dudes playing ESO one handed.
Otherwise I do agree with you, for now the majority of the community in ESO are by far male dominated, however my impression is that 25-30% are females. The high amount of females probably has more to do with The Elder Scroll franchise and the roleplayer communities.
It's pretty simple - when games are designed in a way, which mainly addresses male interests, you will most likely find mainly males in that game. That does not mean, women would not play this game, but those will be women, who can related to this kind of male entertainment better than the majority of women and who still have the time to do so. A lot of women have children and practically no time to play games, or if, mainly casual games, which can easily be interrupted - the typical gamer of Farmville (said in a study by Zyngo) is a 43-old female casual gamer and that game is designed around this target group. Mothers who have to care for children cannot concentrate on a combat game, at any time their little ones can come and have requests or disaster strikes. So they will play different games, which do not need that much attention and can easily be interrupted. Not because they would want to, but because they have to - RL gets in their way.Edited by Lysette on February 6, 2016 11:40PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »
@EdmundTowers well to be honest I've never met a girl who got a console handed to them, when they were kids - but their brothers did, so they started playing games when their brothers did. I think there will be more equality in the future, when people realize their children equally drawn to gaming, regardless of gender.EdmundTowers wrote: »Pfft. Biggest demographic if you include casual online card/puzzle/trivia games according to that article.
As for "real" PC games. The ones that immerse you in an alternate reality and challenge you with a competitive multiplayer experience, mostly a sausage fest as far as I can tell. Met more men pretending to be women. Few have the competitive desire to play these types of games.
Anyways, i doubt 50% of all those big boobed high elves running around vuhkel guard are females. Most likely dudes playing ESO one handed.
Otherwise I do agree with you, for now the majority of the community in ESO are by far male dominated, however my impression is that 25-30% are females. The high amount of females probably has more to do with The Elder Scroll franchise and the roleplayer communities.
It's pretty simple - when games are designed in a way, which mainly addresses male interests, you will most likely find mainly males in that game. That does not mean, women would not play this game, but those will be women, who can related to this kind of male entertainment better than the majority of women and who still have the time to do so. A lot of women have children and practically no time to play games, or if, mainly casual games, which can easily be interrupted - the typical gamer of Farmville (said in a study by Zyngo) is a 43-old female casual gamer and that game is designed around this target group. Mothers who have to care for children cannot concentrate on a combat game, at any time their little ones can come and have requests or disaster strikes. So they will play different games, which do not need that much attention and can easily be interrupted. Not because they would want to, but because they have to - RL gets in their way.
I personally think that catering to player's gender is not a good thing at all. Mostly because its always based on steretypes and assumptions, and I'm quite fed up with that.
And game genre cant really "cater" to any gender imo, its just a matter of preference. Of course, preferences can be affected by society, but that's another story...Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »
@EdmundTowers well to be honest I've never met a girl who got a console handed to them, when they were kids - but their brothers did, so they started playing games when their brothers did. I think there will be more equality in the future, when people realize their children equally drawn to gaming, regardless of gender.EdmundTowers wrote: »Pfft. Biggest demographic if you include casual online card/puzzle/trivia games according to that article.
As for "real" PC games. The ones that immerse you in an alternate reality and challenge you with a competitive multiplayer experience, mostly a sausage fest as far as I can tell. Met more men pretending to be women. Few have the competitive desire to play these types of games.
Anyways, i doubt 50% of all those big boobed high elves running around vuhkel guard are females. Most likely dudes playing ESO one handed.
Otherwise I do agree with you, for now the majority of the community in ESO are by far male dominated, however my impression is that 25-30% are females. The high amount of females probably has more to do with The Elder Scroll franchise and the roleplayer communities.
It's pretty simple - when games are designed in a way, which mainly addresses male interests, you will most likely find mainly males in that game. That does not mean, women would not play this game, but those will be women, who can related to this kind of male entertainment better than the majority of women and who still have the time to do so. A lot of women have children and practically no time to play games, or if, mainly casual games, which can easily be interrupted - the typical gamer of Farmville (said in a study by Zyngo) is a 43-old female casual gamer and that game is designed around this target group. Mothers who have to care for children cannot concentrate on a combat game, at any time their little ones can come and have requests or disaster strikes. So they will play different games, which do not need that much attention and can easily be interrupted. Not because they would want to, but because they have to - RL gets in their way.
I personally think that catering to player's gender is not a good thing at all. Mostly because its always based on steretypes and assumptions, and I'm quite fed up with that.
And game genre cant really "cater" to any gender imo, its just a matter of preference. Of course, preferences can be affected by society, but that's another story...
That is my opinion too - I just referred to this, because I watched a video from Zyngo a while ago (an internal one), which analyzed the typical player of the game Farmville in detail and made design decisions to target specifically this group. And their concept was a commercial success. So I was interested in background information about it.0 -
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✭MornaBaine wrote: »As a long time "gamer chick" ESO has done a couple things that push my buttons (and not in the good way). Five Companions. ONE is female...and she's a very busty blond and it's intimated time and again by Abner that she's none too bright. Granted he makes sure to take shots at everybody but Lyris seems to get the worst of it. I get that we're supposed to realize he's a creep but c'mon already.
The other thing has been with the Crown Store costumes. Love the dancing girl outfits! But why are there no male outfits that are equally as revealing??? As far as I am concerned ALL costumes ought to come in both a male and female version. I'm not talking about your character being able to wear them and just end up weirdly distorted anyway but an actual COMPARABLE costume for each. ZOS needs to fix that ASAP. And they need to make sure it does NOT become a trend!
It even seems as if there are more Kings and higher level MALE nobles in DC than queens and female nobles. What's up with that ZOS?
You mean he talks trash to her, I would not say she's intimidated by it.
(Also female gamer - but only Elder Scrolls, Witcher, Assassin's Creed and Dark Souls - not MMOs till this)
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Certainly. But often these statistics are used to push the idea that games should appeal to "gamers" as if it were a homogeneous demographic; as if differences between groups and individuals do not or should not exist.
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✭@Lysette I am not so sure that women play those types of games because they don't have the time. I mean ..how come men have time to play games, when they also take care of children, study and/or work?
However I do agree with you, that many of these games are obviously catering to male interests. I think it arrives from the fact that many developers and writers in this industry are men, and if there were more women - then we would see more content catering to female interests.
-Which we kinda already have in a limited way. It's no longer as male dominated as it used to be, and games are much more complex than before, in both storytelling and graphics. It's a fast growing industry ...I have my hopes up
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BabeestorGor✭✭✭✭failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »@Lysette I am not so sure that women play those types of games because they don't have the time. I mean ..how come men have time to play games, when they also take care of children, study and/or work?
However I do agree with you, that many of these games are obviously catering to male interests. I think it arrives from the fact that many developers and writers in this industry are men, and if there were more women - then we would see more content catering to female interests.
-Which we kinda already have in a limited way. It's no longer as male dominated as it used to be, and games are much more complex than before, in both storytelling and graphics. It's a fast growing industry ...I have my hopes up
Have you seen stats for the amount of time men devote to childcare or housework compared to women even when both partners have fulltime jobs?
time.com/2895235/men-housework-women/
telegraph.co.uk/women/mother-tongue/8526413/Research-women-will-be-doing-the-housework-until-2050.html
Men do tend to work longer hours in their paid employment but women still tend to be on call at home and do more work at home.Babeester Gor is the Axe Goddess, the Implacable Anger, the Avenging Daughter and the Earth Guardian.
Vriddi gra-Yildnarz, Dragonknight and Smith
Myrvanwe, Sorcerer and Enchanter
Tsajirra, Nightblade and Clothier
Vilvyni Indarys, Dragonknight and Woodworker
Arielle Alouette, Templar and Provisioner
Fishes in Troubled Waters, Nightblade and Alchemist
Shanika Some Long Title I'd Change If I Could, Templar and Aspirant Jeweller
Pippi Longhorn, Nightblade, Ne'er-do-well, and "Tribute" character
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What should we consider "female interests" if there are females who like "Candy Crush" and females who like "Dark Souls"?failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »then we would see more content catering to female interests.
Storytelling-wise tastes of female audience can also differ - there's "50 shades of Grey" fans, and horror/thriller fans as well, and some of us prefer historical dramas...
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Children.
Lol.Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on February 7, 2016 2:05AMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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skillastat✭✭✭✭Does that mean I'll meet my wife in ESO ?(PC NA)
-Saulo Stamina Sorcerer
-skillastat Stamina Nightblade
-a blade spirit Stamina Templar
-Ultima Online I Magicka Dragonknight
-'Solo DC* Stamina Sorcerer
-'Ultima Online Stamina Dragonknight
-Nerd Dk Tank Dragonknight
-Solochi Magicka Sorcerer
-Solo Lucci Magicka Nightblade
-Sølomon Magicka Warden
*All characters are EP, except for one DC.
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Better keep out of kitchen, Dark Brotherhood dlc is coming soon. All those poisons, y'know
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You forgot picking columbines.Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on February 7, 2016 2:06AMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Mivryna✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »
What should we consider "female interests" if there are females who like "Candy Crush" and females who like "Dark Souls"?failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »then we would see more content catering to female interests.
Storytelling-wise tastes of female audience can also differ - there's "50 shades of Grey" fans, and horror/thriller fans as well, and some of us prefer historical dramas...
This very much. Elder Scrolls should be what the artists behind it want it to be. For instance, the brilliant and insane writing of Michael Kirkbride, and the series' deep philosophical elements. If women like it, great. If they don't, that's great too.
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Im also female and I think this fighting over gender equailty in this game in particular is a bit absurd.
Yeah there are more male rulers in this game than female....look at history and tell me that it was any different.
Of the big three in the game, one is female. Nothing wrong with that percentage.
Honestly I dont give a DMN. I love the game, it is well written and I feel as far as story is concerned, it is pretty inclusive.
Male, female, heterosexualism, homosexualism, cross species sexualism. Really what are we arguing about? lol
As far as the costumes are concerned, yea you have a point.Beta tester November 20134