Adult women biggest demographic in gaming

Katahdin · February 2016

There are also many strong female characters in the game. In fact, just thinking about it, there are too many to name imo.
Lyris was just the first one and I agree she is a very strong female character indeed.

Several of the ship captains in the game are female.
Several commanding officers are female characters

At least we dont have the screaming, mewling female sidekick we have seen so many times in other games.

LoreRiley · February 2016

How many arre actually female though?

Katahdin · February 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

@EdmundTowers well to be honest I've never met a girl who got a console handed to them, when they were kids - but their brothers did, so they started playing games when their brothers did. I think there will be more equality in the future, when people realize their children equally drawn to gaming, regardless of gender.

I am female and I got an atari 2600 for Christmas when I was 12. I dont have any brothers.

Islyn · February 2016

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IDK maybe ask my HUSBAND who's in the kitchen making me a plate of nachos and bringing me a coke.

Arcanasx · February 2016

Katahdin wrote: »

There are also many strong female characters in the game. In fact, just thinking about it, there are too many to name imo.
Lyris was just the first one and I agree she is a very strong female character indeed.

Several of the ship captains in the game are female.
Several commanding officers are female characters

At least we dont have the screaming, mewling female sidekick we have seen so many times in other games.

My thoughts as well. Most people in leadership positions are noticeably female (military captains/officers especially), and no one really makes a fuss out of it. Only 1 out of 5 of the companions happen to be female? Its sexist apparently.

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MornaBaine · February 2016

Katahdin wrote: »

Inb4Lock

Im also female and I think this fighting over gender equailty in this game in particular is a bit absurd.

Yeah there are more male rulers in this game than female....look at history and tell me that it was any different.
Of the big three in the game, one is female. Nothing wrong with that percentage.

Honestly I dont give a DMN. I love the game, it is well written and I feel as far as story is concerned, it is pretty inclusive.
Male, female, heterosexualism, homosexualism, cross species sexualism. Really what are we arguing about? lol

As far as the costumes are concerned, yea you have a point.

Oh ESO does a lot of things right. I love that they have put forth a world without homophobia or patriarchy. Every fantasy world in existence has at least had the latter, as if it is unthinkable that any existence could have gotten by without it. So that's super refreshing. Which is why when they do stuff like only have one of the Companions be female and put out skimpy female costumes but no corresponding ones for men it really annoys me. They've obviously tried really hard. But they still sometimes drop the ball.

Mivryna · February 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Inb4Lock

Im also female and I think this fighting over gender equailty in this game in particular is a bit absurd.

Yeah there are more male rulers in this game than female....look at history and tell me that it was any different.
Of the big three in the game, one is female. Nothing wrong with that percentage.

Honestly I dont give a DMN. I love the game, it is well written and I feel as far as story is concerned, it is pretty inclusive.
Male, female, heterosexualism, homosexualism, cross species sexualism. Really what are we arguing about? lol

As far as the costumes are concerned, yea you have a point.

Oh ESO does a lot of things right. I love that they have put forth a world without homophobia or patriarchy. Every fantasy world in existence has at least had the latter, as if it is unthinkable that any existence could have gotten by without it. So that's super refreshing. Which is why when they do stuff like only have one of the Companions be female and put out skimpy female costumes but no corresponding ones for men it really annoys me. They've obviously tried really hard. But they still sometimes drop the ball.

Orcs are traditionally patriarchal for the most part. Makes sense given that they're based on historical Mongol society.

BabeestorGor · February 2016

Umbranox wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Inb4Lock

Im also female and I think this fighting over gender equailty in this game in particular is a bit absurd.

Yeah there are more male rulers in this game than female....look at history and tell me that it was any different.
Of the big three in the game, one is female. Nothing wrong with that percentage.

Honestly I dont give a DMN. I love the game, it is well written and I feel as far as story is concerned, it is pretty inclusive.
Male, female, heterosexualism, homosexualism, cross species sexualism. Really what are we arguing about? lol

As far as the costumes are concerned, yea you have a point.

Oh ESO does a lot of things right. I love that they have put forth a world without homophobia or patriarchy. Every fantasy world in existence has at least had the latter, as if it is unthinkable that any existence could have gotten by without it. So that's super refreshing. Which is why when they do stuff like only have one of the Companions be female and put out skimpy female costumes but no corresponding ones for men it really annoys me. They've obviously tried really hard. But they still sometimes drop the ball.

Orcs are traditionally patriarchal for the most part. Makes sense given that they're based on historical Mongol society.

They weren't always depicted that way. From the MW in-game description

Most Imperial citizens regard Orc society as rough and cruel, but there is much to admire in their fierce tribal loyalties and generous equality of rank and respect among the sexes.

Pallmor · February 2016

tinythinker wrote: »

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Did you read what I wrote? The initial post and the follow-up comment? That answers your question. It does so very clearly, with examples.

If you did but don't get it, a long explanation about empathy, the nature of privilege, why perception matters, why proclaiming that we should ignore prejudice to make it go away doesn't work, etc, would be pointless. Because all of the academic jargon and thoroughness and detailed analysis can't replace a basic human to human understanding.

Here is the nutshell version: Things are not equal. People of color in many places still face discrimination. LGBT people do, too. And so do women. The list goes on. Sometimes it's small things, like how people are treated in video games. Sometimes it's big things, like not having the right to vote or being paid less for the same work. Because things are not equal and prejudice exists, some people cheer or smile when things move towards equality and fairness. Sometimes people are happy about the big things, sometimes they are happy about the really, really small things.

But saying that we shouldn't acknowledge when a group makes progress makes no sense. Sometimes people act as if doing so is putting one group over others, or making one group more important than another, or making a big deal about nothing. Men are not harmed if women feel more comfortable gaming, and being happy that more women are gaming isn't an act of prejudice or discrimination against men. Posting that you are happy to see progress doesn't pit men vs. women, nor does it lead to inequality. It is just acknowledging and being happy that something positive has happened, like someone who was unhappy having a good day, or someone who was sick getting better, or like someone who was being abused leaving a bad relationship and moving on. Nor does acknowledging progress by one group reinforce idea of dividing people and therefore set back equality. Ignoring the divisions that already exist and downplaying when the barriers promoting those divisions are weakened can, though, set equality back.

My post was not about ideology, or politics, or people trying to advance an agenda, or any of things people sometimes claim as the "real reason" for acknowledging such good things when they happen to a group of people rather than an individual. (As if promoting fairness or equality was something sinister.) I was very clear in the initial post and my follow-up comment that, whatever people make of the link, the reminder that more women are letting their geek-flag fly made me smile. It isn't complicated. It doesn't take a degree to understand or explain. It is about imagining that some of those girls who used to be embarrassed to want to be Darth Vader for Halloween when they were twelve may now in fact be adult women who are kicking my #$$ in PvP right here on ESO and thinking that this would be an awesome thing.

Honestly, people who have a problem with that, and want to talk instead about equality and fairness and being free to be yourself as "not a big deal" or some kind of needless provocation, are making this about their own issues and the baggage attached to those issues. That's fine. Everyone has their own views, and we all make assumptions. I'm not offended by people who don't understand what I'm saying. But again, it really isn't complicated, and I hope that for most people it isn't controversial. So, again:

1. I'm happy there are more women in gaming (nerding, geeking, etc) than there were when I first started gaming (nerding, geeking) myself. The linked article and other stories like it reminded me of this.

2. I think this is good for games like ESO.

I figure if I'm still not being clear, I will just have to be content with being misunderstood. But I've already spent 15 minutes writing this last comment that could have been spent bringing pain to my online enemies or playing fetch with the dogs, so it will have to do. Whatever your views are or what you think of mine, I wish you well and will see you in Tamriel

No one cares because you're fighting a war against no one. Likely no one here has any problem with women playing ESO. Almost every guild has women in it and they do just fine. You're beating the war drum for a war that ended ages ago.

I hate to break it to you, but you're several decades too late if you're looking to fight real discrimination. People have to make up stuff to be offended about now, because most of the real discrimination is long gone. You missed the boat. So find something else to do to save the world. Or just play the ESO and enjoy it, the way thousands of men and women do every day.

Grunim · February 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

then we would see more content catering to female interests.

What should we consider "female interests" if there are females who like "Candy Crush" and females who like "Dark Souls"?
Storytelling-wise tastes of female audience can also differ - there's "50 shades of Grey" fans, and horror/thriller fans as well, and some of us prefer historical dramas...

Reading this reminded me of how cool it is that someone released a movie like Pride and Prejudice and Zombies. When I saw the first commercial for this movie I turned to my husband and I said, "wow I really must be their target audience or something". It even has Matt Smith (a previous Doctor in Doctor Who) as Mr. Collins!

But yeah, a woman like me digs Jane Austen and I just had a blast spending some hours with my guild in Trueflame dethroning the DC emp and crowning a guildie as emp.

Faulgor · February 2016

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Umbranox wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Inb4Lock

Im also female and I think this fighting over gender equailty in this game in particular is a bit absurd.

Yeah there are more male rulers in this game than female....look at history and tell me that it was any different.
Of the big three in the game, one is female. Nothing wrong with that percentage.

Honestly I dont give a DMN. I love the game, it is well written and I feel as far as story is concerned, it is pretty inclusive.
Male, female, heterosexualism, homosexualism, cross species sexualism. Really what are we arguing about? lol

As far as the costumes are concerned, yea you have a point.

Oh ESO does a lot of things right. I love that they have put forth a world without homophobia or patriarchy. Every fantasy world in existence has at least had the latter, as if it is unthinkable that any existence could have gotten by without it. So that's super refreshing. Which is why when they do stuff like only have one of the Companions be female and put out skimpy female costumes but no corresponding ones for men it really annoys me. They've obviously tried really hard. But they still sometimes drop the ball.

Orcs are traditionally patriarchal for the most part. Makes sense given that they're based on historical Mongol society.

They weren't always depicted that way. From the MW in-game description

Most Imperial citizens regard Orc society as rough and cruel, but there is much to admire in their fierce tribal loyalties and generous equality of rank and respect among the sexes.

Which doesn't necessarily contradict itself. While sexes fill different roles in their societies (especially strongholds), I see no evidence that this results in lessened respect for one or the other, especially on the battlefield.
That this "generous equality of rank and respect" is noteworthy would actually imply that this is not the case for other races or cultures. So there's the larger retcon, I'd say.
Could have actually some interesting lore-implications that the representation of orcs and the other races has been almost directly inverted in terms of gender equality, where previously Orsimer were depicted as the odd ones out with their egalitarianism and now they are the only culture with some inkling of sexual structure.
Someone always wants to paint the pig-children as the villain.

Oh goodness, why am I replying in this thread. Abort, abort ...

tinythinker · February 2016

Pallmor wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

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Did you read what I wrote? The initial post and the follow-up comment? That answers your question. It does so very clearly, with examples.

If you did but don't get it, a long explanation about empathy, the nature of privilege, why perception matters, why proclaiming that we should ignore prejudice to make it go away doesn't work, etc, would be pointless. Because all of the academic jargon and thoroughness and detailed analysis can't replace a basic human to human understanding.

Here is the nutshell version: Things are not equal. People of color in many places still face discrimination. LGBT people do, too. And so do women. The list goes on. Sometimes it's small things, like how people are treated in video games. Sometimes it's big things, like not having the right to vote or being paid less for the same work. Because things are not equal and prejudice exists, some people cheer or smile when things move towards equality and fairness. Sometimes people are happy about the big things, sometimes they are happy about the really, really small things.

But saying that we shouldn't acknowledge when a group makes progress makes no sense. Sometimes people act as if doing so is putting one group over others, or making one group more important than another, or making a big deal about nothing. Men are not harmed if women feel more comfortable gaming, and being happy that more women are gaming isn't an act of prejudice or discrimination against men. Posting that you are happy to see progress doesn't pit men vs. women, nor does it lead to inequality. It is just acknowledging and being happy that something positive has happened, like someone who was unhappy having a good day, or someone who was sick getting better, or like someone who was being abused leaving a bad relationship and moving on. Nor does acknowledging progress by one group reinforce idea of dividing people and therefore set back equality. Ignoring the divisions that already exist and downplaying when the barriers promoting those divisions are weakened can, though, set equality back.

My post was not about ideology, or politics, or people trying to advance an agenda, or any of things people sometimes claim as the "real reason" for acknowledging such good things when they happen to a group of people rather than an individual. (As if promoting fairness or equality was something sinister.) I was very clear in the initial post and my follow-up comment that, whatever people make of the link, the reminder that more women are letting their geek-flag fly made me smile. It isn't complicated. It doesn't take a degree to understand or explain. It is about imagining that some of those girls who used to be embarrassed to want to be Darth Vader for Halloween when they were twelve may now in fact be adult women who are kicking my #$$ in PvP right here on ESO and thinking that this would be an awesome thing.

Honestly, people who have a problem with that, and want to talk instead about equality and fairness and being free to be yourself as "not a big deal" or some kind of needless provocation, are making this about their own issues and the baggage attached to those issues. That's fine. Everyone has their own views, and we all make assumptions. I'm not offended by people who don't understand what I'm saying. But again, it really isn't complicated, and I hope that for most people it isn't controversial. So, again:

1. I'm happy there are more women in gaming (nerding, geeking, etc) than there were when I first started gaming (nerding, geeking) myself. The linked article and other stories like it reminded me of this.

2. I think this is good for games like ESO.

I figure if I'm still not being clear, I will just have to be content with being misunderstood. But I've already spent 15 minutes writing this last comment that could have been spent bringing pain to my online enemies or playing fetch with the dogs, so it will have to do. Whatever your views are or what you think of mine, I wish you well and will see you in Tamriel

No one cares because you're fighting a war against no one. Likely no one here has any problem with women playing ESO. Almost every guild has women in it and they do just fine. You're beating the war drum for a war that ended ages ago.

I hate to break it to you, but you're several decades too late if you're looking to fight real discrimination. People have to make up stuff to be offended about now, because most of the real discrimination is long gone. You missed the boat. So find something else to do to save the world. Or just play the ESO and enjoy it, the way thousands of men and women do every day.

Reading comprehension does wonders. Either you are trolling or you didn't read what I wrote. If you are trolling I have no interest in being baited. If you did try to read it and still didn't understand, there is literally nothing else I can say to make it clear to you.

Lysette · February 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

@Lysette I am not so sure that women play those types of games because they don't have the time. I mean ..how come men have time to play games, when they also take care of children, study and/or work?

However I do agree with you, that many of these games are obviously catering to male interests. I think it arrives from the fact that many developers and writers in this industry are men, and if there were more women - then we would see more content catering to female interests.
-Which we kinda already have in a limited way. It's no longer as male dominated as it used to be, and games are much more complex than before, in both storytelling and graphics. It's a fast growing industry ...I have my hopes up

2 examples in the MMO world:

EVE online - male dominated, highly technical, combat and economy oriented - I think there are less than 5% female players
Second Life - good mix, socializing, fashion-oriented, user-created content - my guess, there are about 40% female residents

That is what I meant - if a game world offers content, which is attractive to women, then the amount of female players high. But there is still the fact, that women are occupied more by real life issues than men are, because they eventually become mothers and childcare takes most of their time and that decides as well about what type of game they can play - it has to be interruptable for example, whenever something comes up what requires their immediate attention. If a game requires teamspeak for example, that is bad, they have to listen what is going on in their home, they cannot just disappear in a game world. These are all things, which decide about the amount of women in a certain game/MMO.

mr1sho · February 2016

Islyn wrote: »

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IDK maybe ask my HUSBAND who's in the kitchen making me a plate of nachos and bringing me a coke.

That's very sexiest why is your poor husband slaving away making you nachos lol

mr1sho · February 2016

Let me get a serious post in before I go back to my goofy self Honestly I don't care if you're a woman or male or Caitlin Jenner or whatever if you are cool we will can get along fine people crying about discrimination in eso need to stop and play the game because there are a lot women in powerful positions in eso I honestly don't see the problem here

Islyn · February 2016

mr1sho wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Quoted content removed (it said something about women, kitchens, sandwiches rather than gaming - and way to take my reply our of context AND be a nanny state ZOSarino)

IDK maybe ask my HUSBAND who's in the kitchen making me a plate of nachos and bringing me a coke.

That's very sexiest why is your poor husband slaving away making you nachos lol

xD He appreciates the rewards ;-)

Islyn · February 2016

Geez and can't even joke any more either.

Does use Bots to remove stuff or something?

Mr.Hmm · February 2016

Does this even matter? wtf people.....

Gender doesnt matter in the least bit when you are playing games. Those who think it matters are the ones who are wrong and have problems.

If women want to play online games then let them play, if they dont want to play online games then let them not play.(Its ultimately their choice)
The same goes for men.

The only difference women and men have when growing up is that women are more interested in other things while men are more interested in other things as well(most male people while growing up are interested in gaming/cars[that's before things change]).

Honestly gender doesnt matter in the least bit if someone wants to play games be they male or female.I got 2 cousins who are women and they love playing games and I dont mind helping them out(for example helping them understand things about their PC or the game they play[Mainly because i have been playing games since i was 8 year old, so I kind of got more knowledge]).

mr1sho · February 2016

Islyn wrote: »

mr1sho wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Quoted content removed (it said something about women, kitchens, sandwiches rather than gaming - and way to take my reply our of context AND be a nanny state ZOSarino)

IDK maybe ask my HUSBAND who's in the kitchen making me a plate of nachos and bringing me a coke.

That's very sexiest why is your poor husband slaving away making you nachos lol

xD He appreciates the rewards ;-)

O my

Mojmir · February 2016

3 out 2 people have trouble with fractions.

Discord_Days · February 2016

Vox wrote: »

Actually it's just mobile gaming. Which isn't really gaming anyway.

I think what Vox wrote is true. Most of my girlfriends play some "games" on their phones. I'd hardly call them gamers. Only one other plays serious games on PC like I do.

AOECAPS · February 2016

Lol people complaining about women in this game you do realize that women are shown equally in this game for the most part. Ayrenn leading the aldemeri,empress tharn, lyrus ( though I agree she's dumb,ran a mission with her and she wouldn't move out of the spikes

but other than that strong willed ,compassionate ,and heroic. Women leading army's, fighters guild leaders a woman.

Rosveen · February 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Inb4Lock

Im also female and I think this fighting over gender equailty in this game in particular is a bit absurd.

Yeah there are more male rulers in this game than female....look at history and tell me that it was any different.
Of the big three in the game, one is female. Nothing wrong with that percentage.

Honestly I dont give a DMN. I love the game, it is well written and I feel as far as story is concerned, it is pretty inclusive.
Male, female, heterosexualism, homosexualism, cross species sexualism. Really what are we arguing about? lol

As far as the costumes are concerned, yea you have a point.

Oh ESO does a lot of things right. I love that they have put forth a world without homophobia or patriarchy. Every fantasy world in existence has at least had the latter, as if it is unthinkable that any existence could have gotten by without it. So that's super refreshing. Which is why when they do stuff like only have one of the Companions be female and put out skimpy female costumes but no corresponding ones for men it really annoys me. They've obviously tried really hard. But they still sometimes drop the ball.

Have you seen the new datamined crown store items? Pirate costumes in particular.

Sausage · February 2016

We know thats why they are bringing tons of female costumes.

LadyNalcarya · February 2016

Rosveen wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Inb4Lock

Im also female and I think this fighting over gender equailty in this game in particular is a bit absurd.

Yeah there are more male rulers in this game than female....look at history and tell me that it was any different.
Of the big three in the game, one is female. Nothing wrong with that percentage.

Honestly I dont give a DMN. I love the game, it is well written and I feel as far as story is concerned, it is pretty inclusive.
Male, female, heterosexualism, homosexualism, cross species sexualism. Really what are we arguing about? lol

As far as the costumes are concerned, yea you have a point.

Oh ESO does a lot of things right. I love that they have put forth a world without homophobia or patriarchy. Every fantasy world in existence has at least had the latter, as if it is unthinkable that any existence could have gotten by without it. So that's super refreshing. Which is why when they do stuff like only have one of the Companions be female and put out skimpy female costumes but no corresponding ones for men it really annoys me. They've obviously tried really hard. But they still sometimes drop the ball.

Have you seen the new datamined crown store items? Pirate costumes in particular.

I saw a very nice fully-covered redguard dress on pts :P

Kingof green · February 2016

Females hardly make up the highest demographics of video gamers., maybe in mobile games like crandy cruss or Temple run to pass the time (mobile gaming isn't real gaming)

Yeah there is a lot of female gamers but certainly not as many as men.

MornaBaine · February 2016

Rosveen wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Inb4Lock

Im also female and I think this fighting over gender equailty in this game in particular is a bit absurd.

Yeah there are more male rulers in this game than female....look at history and tell me that it was any different.
Of the big three in the game, one is female. Nothing wrong with that percentage.

Honestly I dont give a DMN. I love the game, it is well written and I feel as far as story is concerned, it is pretty inclusive.
Male, female, heterosexualism, homosexualism, cross species sexualism. Really what are we arguing about? lol

As far as the costumes are concerned, yea you have a point.

Oh ESO does a lot of things right. I love that they have put forth a world without homophobia or patriarchy. Every fantasy world in existence has at least had the latter, as if it is unthinkable that any existence could have gotten by without it. So that's super refreshing. Which is why when they do stuff like only have one of the Companions be female and put out skimpy female costumes but no corresponding ones for men it really annoys me. They've obviously tried really hard. But they still sometimes drop the ball.

Have you seen the new datamined crown store items? Pirate costumes in particular.

Yep and was very pleased! But I still want my dancing boy costumes dammit! LOL The only real reason I bring this stuff up is because I want ZoS to be aware of it so that they can make sure they don't let it become a trend. I know they try really hard to be both inclusive and equitable in this game and that's a large part of its appeal to female gamers like me. I LIKE the smexy stuff and in no way do I feel it's "degrading" towards women or any of that nonsense. But when it's ONLY made for female character models and not for males that IS sexist so I'll call them on it and hope they correct it.

eliisra · February 2016

Kingof green wrote: »

Females hardly make up the highest demographics of video gamers., maybe in mobile games like crandy cruss or Temple run to pass the time (mobile gaming isn't real gaming)

Yeah there is a lot of female gamers but certainly not as many as men.

For sure. Everyone plays smartphone & tablet games. Even my 90 year old grandparents plays simpler games on their iPads. They aren't what I would call "gamers"

But when it comes to traditional gaming, nerding and MMO's, especially on PC where you need a proper gaming rig, there's still a male majority. I dont care what some article claims.

I would guess the females population is somewhere between 15-30% in commercial MMO's. My own experience from playing a lot of MMORPG's mainly and informal data/surveys/polls that's been made.

Rift, WoW, GW2, ESO or SWTOR seemed somewhere in the middle of that. While Final Fantasy XIV had a much higher amount of female players. EvE Online is a total sausage fest obv, no ladies to be found.

Anyway, I think gaming developers should stay far away from focusing on items/content they think a certain gender wants. It will suck period. The difference between player types(hardcore PvE, rp, casual, PvP, solo'er and so on) is much greater than the difference between males&females in online games.

Lysette · February 2016

eliisra wrote: »

Kingof green wrote: »

Females hardly make up the highest demographics of video gamers., maybe in mobile games like crandy cruss or Temple run to pass the time (mobile gaming isn't real gaming)

Yeah there is a lot of female gamers but certainly not as many as men.

For sure. Everyone plays smartphone & tablet games. Even my 90 year old grandparents plays simpler games on their iPads. They aren't what I would call "gamers"

But when it comes to traditional gaming, nerding and MMO's, especially on PC where you need a proper gaming rig, there's still a male majority. I dont care what some article claims.

I would guess the females population is somewhere between 15-30% in commercial MMO's. My own experience from playing a lot of MMORPG's mainly and informal data/surveys/polls that's been made.

Rift, WoW, GW2, ESO or SWTOR seemed somewhere in the middle of that. While Final Fantasy XIV had a much higher amount of female players. EvE Online is a total sausage fest obv, no ladies to be found.

Anyway, I think gaming developers should stay far away from focusing on items/content they think a certain gender wants. It will suck period. The difference between player types(hardcore PvE, rp, casual, PvP, solo'er and so on) is much greater than the difference between males&females in online games.

There are women in EVE, just not that many.