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Official Feedback Thread for Sorcerers

  • Jowrik
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    In my opinion, Magicka Sorc + Magicka DK will be the only thing PVP will see in the upcoming patch if stamina sorcs/nightblades/DK's aren't giving atleast a small portion of love. Currently Nightblades have a proper stamina toolset, though they lost alot of their survivability. I won't even mention DK's. Stamina Sorc just needs one or two class-based Stamina skills, like a stamina DoT/spammable that is usable for PVP and PVE together (a reworked skill with 2 morphs, much like Piercing Mark/Reaper's Mark on Nightblades?).

    I think Magicka sorcs will be a bit too powerful against Nightblades or other Sorcs, whilst having a hard time vs DK's/Templars.
    ZOS_KNowak wrote: »
    [*] Streak should reset the cool down timer if you cause damage with the skill- this rewards sorcerers for staying in the fight (and using the skill offensively) but still punishes them for running away. Not being able to use our class defining ability more than once is a real letdown.
    [*] Damage shields need to be critable. at least make crits register against a damage shield even if they dont do extra damage so you can get the heals and other set effects off them.

    These are really good ideas for PVP
    Edited by Jowrik on February 5, 2016 10:41AM
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  • fred.thomsonb16_ESO
    I haven't had a decent look at the new jewellery and which sets are featured but we really need a mix of weapon damage and spell power for that side of our builds. Clever Alchemist and Molag Kena are an excellent pairing for stam sorcs, allowing us to step outside the very few class skills worth a damn. I hope to see more sets going down this route.

    As far as testing a viable hybrid, thankyou. 3.2k spell damage, 4.2k weapon damage, prismatic on all pieces....fantastic!
    Edited by fred.thomsonb16_ESO on February 5, 2016 12:42PM
  • Bfish22090
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    sorcs really need an instant cast dps ability
    i feel they should have a ranged suprise attack
    also power overload needs to be buffed by at least 15% damage
  • SmalltalkJava
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    It doesn't appear that Twilight heals scale with Blessed from the cp tree for healing done.

    * I feel the 18% increase to the base damage for pets may need to be raised to 20% or 25%. The scaling seems to be lacking a little bit.


    I am liking it. The power usage of the pet activations didn't seem overboard in the magicka it took. Very balanced so far. It gives a lot more active playstyle.

    over all after testing, I am liking the new changes.

    The new 2 hander damage boost against shields is nice. It is basically a guaranteed minor crit against sorc shields and guarantees extra shield damage every time they swing. That means shields now take 25% more damage from Wrecking blows. that hits hard!
  • EsoRecon
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno pls can you make a stam crystal frag morph? Make it like a crystal sword that scales off of max stam and wep dmg pls. I beg of you :(
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  • FENGRUSH
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    -Crystal Blast (Crystal Shard morph): Increased the secondary splash damage of this morph by 25%.

    This change basically says we heard what you wanted stam sorc and we decided to make the unused magicka morph another version of the unused magicka morph. It really says it all though - theres no interest or understanding for stam sorc.
  • Daymond
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    Is it possible to allow certain dots like flurry from the Dual Wield tree to proc crit surge?


    Also could a morph of negate Magic be made into a single target that removes magic casted on the target,buffs, heals,shields casted by magicka and silence them for 8 seconds.
  • Erock25
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    What sorc absolutely needs!

    - a stamina scaling direct damage attack
    - overload to scale on physical dmg cp if it's scaling off of stamina
    - negate needs an overall buff in some way
    - pets should scale off stam if higher than magicka
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  • rfennell_ESO
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    I find the sorcerer changes to be very well balanced and well thought out!!!

    The only changes I would make is that while I'm a god on the pvp battlefield other players should be forced to kneel in my presence now. Maybe you can just attach the kneel animation to any player in visual range every time I spam my shields?

    Also, why can't magelight also disintegrate nightblades when activated?

    Lastly, would it be possible for my overloads to do the overflow damage to nearby opponents. It seems like a waste to crit someone for 30k and have it all go to waste. Can you make it automatically unstealth, prevent from stealthing/cloaking any nightblades in the area and hit them for double the damage that was wasted killing whoever I just spammed light attacks on with overload (and make them kneel before they get disintegrated)?

    PS I think streak should also fear anyone I go through with it.

    Thanks for the great game :)

    PSS I think Daedric mines should follow anyone that comes near them and if they stealth or use that totally unfair dark cloak ability split into two (and follow them).

    PSSS I think the cowtow animation is better than kneel, use that one.
  • SturgeHammer
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    FENGRUSH wrote: »
    -Crystal Blast (Crystal Shard morph): Increased the secondary splash damage of this morph by 25%.

    This change basically says we heard what you wanted stam sorc and we decided to make the unused magicka morph another version of the unused magicka morph. It really says it all though - theres no interest or understanding for stam sorc.

    This was really the one ability were a stam morph would have made the most sense. A melee range range frag with a chance to proc a free instant cast off of activating other stam abilities would have been an elegant solution to the problem and be super satisfying to boot. If this this new morph of shards ends up making it to live, then I am just not sure what options that would leave for potential stam sorc morphs in the future. Maybe Mage's Fury, but that would be significantly less exciting.
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  • Jar_Ek
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    I don't really understand zos at all. If they are only going to look at one class I could understand, but they change sorcerer pets and crystal blast and yet bypass stamina builds. Maybe I missed all the calls from magicka sorcerers to buff blast and make pets a more active playstyle? No? Then why have zos NOT done something for stamina sorcerers?
  • Soris
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    First time playing sorcerer at end level and i just made a pokemon master build with the shìtty template gear. I just stand there and channel heavy attacks with pets and It just rekts people left and right without any effort lol. I cant imagine how powerful would it be with proper gear.

    I dont call for a nerf. Instead, i just became addicted to it :smiley:

    Also that atro spam is real. Last time i managed to summon 4
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  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    I like how everyone "Assumes" no magic Sorc's use Crystal Blast when I have not only seen many of them use it in PVE and PVP(Requires more planning and positioning in PVP but totally use able and in some cases better then Frags) but one of my close friends used to use Crystal Blast to wreck people.

    i'll check on PTS tonight, but prior to this PTS Crystal Blast wasn't reflect able because its an AOE and a knockdown.

    Secondly, You think Crystal Blast is useless? Stand on top of a Resource Tower at say Chalman Mine and Cast Crystal Blast at people from the tower. down below in a choke and tell me its useless..its DEATH FROM ABOVE just raining a a hard hitting AOE knockdown on people to just melt people. In conjunction with Oils it gives Sorc's more group utility.

    Infact Crystal Blast is the best Sorc Group damage skill we got, if you can get one off, it can change battles..On my Christmas Break i was essential at wiping a group of 30 Ad inside Ash by standing above the flag and spamming Crystal Blast on them for the LOL...those interuprtions were enough to keep their healers from casting Purge + they died to my Crystal Blasts and Oils....

    the skill is far from useless, it just requires better planning and positioning to use...Crystal Blast is a PHENOMENAL Choke and keep defense skill if you position yourself correctly to use it.

    I do apologize, but I think its unfair to assume a skill needs to be changed to a stamina morph just because its not popular. If many people actually realized how good Crystal Blast actually is in a group setting and in a keep/resource defense scenario where you can position yourself to rain death on people you would see its use more far spread in Cyrodiil.

    Try it...stand above a zerg and spam Crystal Blast into them from an elevated postion and watch people die...if you have teammates dumping oil its even better...Crystal Blast is the best zerg busting skill we have right now..its an AOE knock down and stun that can be spam casted from an elevated position which was what the skill was designed for.

    Try it...stand above a breech and spam Crystla Blast tonight in your group with an organized team and watch people drop like flies...the skill isn't useless...not by a longshot in a group setting.




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    Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)

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  • relaxed83
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    Umm Did anyone else notice when you looked at your copied character that the damage of all the spells were greatly reduced from what they are on the LIVE server? I noticed my Velocious Curse drop from 13k to 10k roughly, and crystal frags from 16k to 11.5k .... the only thing I changed from LIVE to PTS is I moved my points from Thaumaturge to elemental defender and elfborn.

    All my gear is fully repaired I'm not in Cyrodiil I'm standing in Mournhold, all of my skill points are the same from Live to PTS... Did we get a overall nerf on spell damage? Oh my spell damage on Live in 3100 and the same on PTS.. What's the deal anyone notice this?
  • Derra
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    relaxed83 wrote: »
    Umm Did anyone else notice when you looked at your copied character that the damage of all the spells were greatly reduced from what they are on the LIVE server? I noticed my Velocious Curse drop from 13k to 10k roughly, and crystal frags from 16k to 11.5k .... the only thing I changed from LIVE to PTS is I moved my points from Thaumaturge to elemental defender and elfborn.

    All my gear is fully repaired I'm not in Cyrodiil I'm standing in Mournhold, all of my skill points are the same from Live to PTS... Did we get a overall nerf on spell damage? Oh my spell damage on Live in 3100 and the same on PTS.. What's the deal anyone notice this?

    Most likely a visual bug. Currently on live elemental expert does not raise the tooltip of elemental abilities (the dmg is applied though) whereas thaumaturge does.

    Can easily be tested by comparing 100 points elemental expert to 0.
    Edited by Derra on February 5, 2016 10:41PM
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  • relaxed83
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    Derra wrote: »
    relaxed83 wrote: »
    Umm Did anyone else notice when you looked at your copied character that the damage of all the spells were greatly reduced from what they are on the LIVE server? I noticed my Velocious Curse drop from 13k to 10k roughly, and crystal frags from 16k to 11.5k .... the only thing I changed from LIVE to PTS is I moved my points from Thaumaturge to elemental defender and elfborn.

    All my gear is fully repaired I'm not in Cyrodiil I'm standing in Mournhold, all of my skill points are the same from Live to PTS... Did we get a overall nerf on spell damage? Oh my spell damage on Live in 3100 and the same on PTS.. What's the deal anyone notice this?

    Most likely a visual bug. Currently on live elemental expert does not raise the tooltip of elemental abilities (the dmg is applied though) whereas thaumaturge does.

    Can easily be tested by comparing 100 points elemental expert to 0.

    No wonder newbies cannot understand the game, if you put CP points into something you should expect to see the change in your character data otherwise what is the point of it? You gotta do math, guess, or... hope that your CPs are working correctly along with your spells/skills. This seems like something that direly needs addressing ASAP, ZOS make some common sense fixes please!
  • MisterBigglesworth
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    FENGRUSH wrote: »
    -Crystal Blast (Crystal Shard morph): Increased the secondary splash damage of this morph by 25%.

    This change basically says we heard what you wanted stam sorc and we decided to make the unused magicka morph another version of the unused magicka morph. It really says it all though - theres no interest or understanding for stam sorc.

    This was really the one ability were a stam morph would have made the most sense. A melee range range frag with a chance to proc a free instant cast off of activating other stam abilities would have been an elegant solution to the problem and be super satisfying to boot. If this this new morph of shards ends up making it to live, then I am just not sure what options that would leave for potential stam sorc morphs in the future. Maybe Mage's Fury, but that would be significantly less exciting.

    They should get rid of one of the Mage's Fury morphs and replace it with STORM FIST: a stamina-based lightning fist punch!!!
    You could also give it a chance to proc from using abilities like Bolt Escape or Lightning Form and become STORM HAMMER, where you strike the enemy with a lightning hammer, and it could have more damage or a stun or splash damage, something cool.
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  • SmalltalkJava
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    I like how everyone "Assumes" no magic Sorc's use Crystal Blast when I have not only seen many of them use it in PVE and PVP(Requires more planning and positioning in PVP but totally use able and in some cases better then Frags) but one of my close friends used to use Crystal Blast to wreck people.

    i'll check on PTS tonight, but prior to this PTS Crystal Blast wasn't reflect able because its an AOE and a knockdown.

    Secondly, You think Crystal Blast is useless? Stand on top of a Resource Tower at say Chalman Mine and Cast Crystal Blast at people from the tower. down below in a choke and tell me its useless..its DEATH FROM ABOVE just raining a a hard hitting AOE knockdown on people to just melt people. In conjunction with Oils it gives Sorc's more group utility.

    Infact Crystal Blast is the best Sorc Group damage skill we got, if you can get one off, it can change battles..On my Christmas Break i was essential at wiping a group of 30 Ad inside Ash by standing above the flag and spamming Crystal Blast on them for the LOL...those interuprtions were enough to keep their healers from casting Purge + they died to my Crystal Blasts and Oils....

    the skill is far from useless, it just requires better planning and positioning to use...Crystal Blast is a PHENOMENAL Choke and keep defense skill if you position yourself correctly to use it.

    I do apologize, but I think its unfair to assume a skill needs to be changed to a stamina morph just because its not popular. If many people actually realized how good Crystal Blast actually is in a group setting and in a keep/resource defense scenario where you can position yourself to rain death on people you would see its use more far spread in Cyrodiil.

    Try it...stand above a zerg and spam Crystal Blast into them from an elevated postion and watch people die...if you have teammates dumping oil its even better...Crystal Blast is the best zerg busting skill we have right now..its an AOE knock down and stun that can be spam casted from an elevated position which was what the skill was designed for.

    Try it...stand above a breech and spam Crystla Blast tonight in your group with an organized team and watch people drop like flies...the skill isn't useless...not by a longshot in a group setting.

    Crystal Blast is indeed strong. I can't wait for this enhancement to go live. The only difference between CB and Wrecking Blow is empower, and aoe and range. It hits hard constantly, and it can be reflected on live.
  • FriedEggSandwich
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    ZOS_KNowak wrote: »
    Hey guys,

    Thanks for all the feedback on the Sorcerer changes so far. We're collecting everything posted in this thread and elsewhere and are still evaluating Sorcerer performance on the PTS realm, so keep all the feedback coming!

    One thing we would like to clarify is that Sorcerer pets are intended to go into stealth when the player enters stealth. This is something that will be addressed before our Thieves Guild patch goes Live.


    [*] Damage shields need to be critable. at least make crits register against a damage shield even if they dont do extra damage so you can get the heals and other set effects off them.

    I would be ok with shields being crittable if they were able to inherit the crit resistance I've invested in. So Impen and Resistant should buff the crit-resistance of Hardened Ward.
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  • FENGRUSH
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    I like how everyone "Assumes" no magic Sorc's use Crystal Blast when I have not only seen many of them use it in PVE and PVP(Requires more planning and positioning in PVP but totally use able and in some cases better then Frags) but one of my close friends used to use Crystal Blast to wreck people.

    i'll check on PTS tonight, but prior to this PTS Crystal Blast wasn't reflect able because its an AOE and a knockdown.

    Secondly, You think Crystal Blast is useless? Stand on top of a Resource Tower at say Chalman Mine and Cast Crystal Blast at people from the tower. down below in a choke and tell me its useless..its DEATH FROM ABOVE just raining a a hard hitting AOE knockdown on people to just melt people. In conjunction with Oils it gives Sorc's more group utility.

    Infact Crystal Blast is the best Sorc Group damage skill we got, if you can get one off, it can change battles..On my Christmas Break i was essential at wiping a group of 30 Ad inside Ash by standing above the flag and spamming Crystal Blast on them for the LOL...those interuprtions were enough to keep their healers from casting Purge + they died to my Crystal Blasts and Oils....

    the skill is far from useless, it just requires better planning and positioning to use...Crystal Blast is a PHENOMENAL Choke and keep defense skill if you position yourself correctly to use it.

    I do apologize, but I think its unfair to assume a skill needs to be changed to a stamina morph just because its not popular. If many people actually realized how good Crystal Blast actually is in a group setting and in a keep/resource defense scenario where you can position yourself to rain death on people you would see its use more far spread in Cyrodiil.

    Try it...stand above a zerg and spam Crystal Blast into them from an elevated postion and watch people die...if you have teammates dumping oil its even better...Crystal Blast is the best zerg busting skill we have right now..its an AOE knock down and stun that can be spam casted from an elevated position which was what the skill was designed for.

    Try it...stand above a breech and spam Crystla Blast tonight in your group with an organized team and watch people drop like flies...the skill isn't useless...not by a longshot in a group setting.




    Sounds good - lets change it to cost stam, scale off weapon damage + stam and call it a day.
  • ajwest927
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    I I think instead adding 20% cost and effect to dark exchange, yall should make dark exchange a group buff ability by just some tweaking like.

    1. Make the effect as a heal over time ability and keep the cost as a single cost.
    2. Dark exchange should heal up to 2 nearest allies.
    3. If allies want stamina instead of magicka or vice versa depending on the morph they can exchange it by using synergy .
  • smacx250
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    I can understand a desire to have a hybrid build and have access to both stamina skills and magicka skills, but somehow fit it into the current game system which seems to competitively disallows such builds. This appears to be what a "stam sorc" as being discussed here is trying to be? But frankly, the concept of a "stam sorc", as the requests being made seem to present, makes no sense to me. Stamina and Magicka are two different things, and provide two different types of skills - namely, those based on physical strength and prowess, and those based on drawing magical power from Aetherius, respectively. The desire to have stamina as a source for skills that clearly draw from Aetherius seems "wrong" in a TES world (e.g., the suggestion to make crystal blast use stam as a source). Is there more to this than a desire to mix and match stamina and magicka skills, but knowing that a hybrid isn't competitive given the current game system and so wanting them all to draw from one source? I mean, we may as well ask for a morph of wrecking blow that uses magicka as the source, no? At what point do we just decide that there is just "power"? Can someone help me to understand why I shouldn't feel so uneasy about all this (and for saying this)?
  • Own
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    As a magicka sorc from the start.. this is for PvP only.

    1. Bolt escape and morphs - I can't escape stam users and nightblades even when burning through all of my magicka, which is fine. My main problem is I can't catch the same people and still burn through all of my magicka. Meet in the middle on the costs of this and its morphs. It's nice to be able to move around the battlefield and all, but simply blinking and running doesn't get me anywhere.. NB's turn invisible and run faster than I can streak. Cloak is OP, I like fighting it. Just give me a shot to catch them.
    2. Shields need a small buff to combat stam users dodge roll. I run out of stam way before a stam user and am left with hardened ward until my 500 stam regen catches me up, killing my offense. Bring the shield reduction to 33%-40% instead of 50%. Healing seems to be much more OP than: standing still, not attacking, spamming hardened ward until I can block or dodge roll while I have damage slowly bleeding through.. Come on, I'm wearing LIGHT Armor.
    3. The single reflect is a great idea. If I frag you and you send it back my way, I deserve it. I should not be able to send it back to you with a second frag using defensive posture.
    4. Defensive posture should reflect all projectiles, but still only one.
    5. Find a way to give magicka sorcs a little bit of extra stam recovery. Maybe a buff to the existing passive.
    6. Leave mages wrath where it is, It's a good execute and I don't understand why people are complaining about it. You're not going to get an instant cast high dps skill with a sorc without proc'ing frag. It's all about timing of the skills you are using.

    All in all, I don't see many people using magicka sorcs anymore. I'm usually the only one in a raid using one. I had 3 out of 24 on a recent group.. I don't even think about blocking frags anymore because I don't get hit by them unless they're reflected. I like the challenge and all.. But the sorc needs a few small buffs. Magicka and Stam.
    Edited by Own on February 6, 2016 2:21AM
  • Caligamy_ESO
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    Pet issue:
    When resummoning the twilight and trying to activate heals in a fast-paced fight if you press the key again too quickly after summoning, it will quite often go into the resummon animation and despawn the twilight instead of firing off the healing aoe. This was incredibly frustrating in a fast paced fight like the world bosses and trial. Also the familiar could use his damage buffed or at least the tics of damage output increased, the delay there just felt too slow for the pace of combat.

    That being said I do quite enjoy the pet changes, this is a step in the right direction to a pet based sorcerer for me.

    Boundless Storm:
    The change in movement speed in this ability from +40% to 30% makes it feel like there is almost no speed boost at all present. It also means that as a magicka build sorcerer I stand little to no chance of outrunning a stamina build character who can sprint 10% faster than I can move since sprinting speed is now boosted to 40%. The argument could be made that I can press sprint in tandem with Boundless Storm but as a magicka build this is not really a viable option in PVP where stamina runs out after 1 or 2 cc abilities which everyone knows are heavily used in Cyrodil.
    Edited by Caligamy_ESO on February 6, 2016 2:46AM
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  • Own
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    FENGRUSH wrote: »
    -Crystal Blast (Crystal Shard morph): Increased the secondary splash damage of this morph by 25%.

    This change basically says we heard what you wanted stam sorc and we decided to make the unused magicka morph another version of the unused magicka morph. It really says it all though - theres no interest or understanding for stam sorc.

    This was really the one ability were a stam morph would have made the most sense. A melee range range frag with a chance to proc a free instant cast off of activating other stam abilities would have been an elegant solution to the problem and be super satisfying to boot. If this this new morph of shards ends up making it to live, then I am just not sure what options that would leave for potential stam sorc morphs in the future. Maybe Mage's Fury, but that would be significantly less exciting.

    They should get rid of one of the Mage's Fury morphs and replace it with STORM FIST: a stamina-based lightning fist punch!!!
    You could also give it a chance to proc from using abilities like Bolt Escape or Lightning Form and become STORM HAMMER, where you strike the enemy with a lightning hammer, and it could have more damage or a stun or splash damage, something cool.
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  • Erock25
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    smacx250 wrote: »
    I can understand a desire to have a hybrid build and have access to both stamina skills and magicka skills, but somehow fit it into the current game system which seems to competitively disallows such builds. This appears to be what a "stam sorc" as being discussed here is trying to be? But frankly, the concept of a "stam sorc", as the requests being made seem to present, makes no sense to me. Stamina and Magicka are two different things, and provide two different types of skills - namely, those based on physical strength and prowess, and those based on drawing magical power from Aetherius, respectively. The desire to have stamina as a source for skills that clearly draw from Aetherius seems "wrong" in a TES world (e.g., the suggestion to make crystal blast use stam as a source). Is there more to this than a desire to mix and match stamina and magicka skills, but knowing that a hybrid isn't competitive given the current game system and so wanting them all to draw from one source? I mean, we may as well ask for a morph of wrecking blow that uses magicka as the source, no? At what point do we just decide that there is just "power"? Can someone help me to understand why I shouldn't feel so uneasy about all this (and for saying this)?

    I think a vast majority of those bringing up stam sorc issues are interested in a fully focused stam build and not a hybrid. Exiledtyrant may be the only one talking about hybrid. Of course fully focused stam builds still use magicka to cast utility spells. If a 2h sword can cast a heal on me and dual wield can summon a spinning wheel of blades that surround me and increase my speed while lashing out all on their own, then Crystal Blast (or whatever skill) can be changed to Crystal Strike and scale with stamina.
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  • CP5
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    smacx250 wrote: »
    I can understand a desire to have a hybrid build and have access to both stamina skills and magicka skills, but somehow fit it into the current game system which seems to competitively disallows such builds. This appears to be what a "stam sorc" as being discussed here is trying to be? But frankly, the concept of a "stam sorc", as the requests being made seem to present, makes no sense to me. Stamina and Magicka are two different things, and provide two different types of skills - namely, those based on physical strength and prowess, and those based on drawing magical power from Aetherius, respectively. The desire to have stamina as a source for skills that clearly draw from Aetherius seems "wrong" in a TES world (e.g., the suggestion to make crystal blast use stam as a source). Is there more to this than a desire to mix and match stamina and magicka skills, but knowing that a hybrid isn't competitive given the current game system and so wanting them all to draw from one source? I mean, we may as well ask for a morph of wrecking blow that uses magicka as the source, no? At what point do we just decide that there is just "power"? Can someone help me to understand why I shouldn't feel so uneasy about all this (and for saying this)?

    Other classes are able to use their class specific skills with their strengths, dk's can breath fire with stamina or magicka, nb's can conjure blades of darkness with stamina or magicka, templars can throw spears made of light with stamina or magicka, and in the current state of the game if you don't focus on one you are generally missing out on a significant amount of a skills power for the sake of being a hybrid.
  • olsborg
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    Sadly, the pets are still lackluster imo, specificly the volatile familiar, the dmg was way too low on the pulses.

    The twilight matriarch was nice, didnt test the other morph too much, but it seemed ok too, however the heal on the matrarch special ability was way too pricey magicka wise. I do wish the pets dmg was buffed by not only max magicka , but by spelldmg and CP too. If pets had a healthbar in the UI, that would also help trying to keep it alive, because of my last point below....

    Still sucks mostly that they have a long fricking cast time and that you still need 2 slots on 1 pet for it to be effective in pvp.

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  • exiledtyrant
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    I haven't had a decent look at the new jewellery and which sets are featured but we really need a mix of weapon damage and spell power for that side of our builds. Clever Alchemist and Molag Kena are an excellent pairing for stam sorcs, allowing us to step outside the very few class skills worth a damn. I hope to see more sets going down this route.

    As far as testing a viable hybrid, thankyou. 3.2k spell damage, 4.2k weapon damage, prismatic on all pieces....fantastic!

    What sets are you using to get that high for spell power and weapon power? I'm still on the fence for what hybrid set will pull ahead. I've been using the Skoria set with Bahara's Curse. I think Syvarra's Scales may be better for dot builds though.
    Twice born star 5 piece + 4 piece of clever alchemist is like wearing a better hundings + julianos together. Molag Kena + twice born or Molag Kena + clever alchemist may be better though with will power jewelry and agility weapons. Then there's maelstrom adding almost 3k weapon/spell power every flurry. Hard to decide.
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  • Svidrir
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    Nothing for the sorcerer stam .....

    Why not give stamina developments in the morphs that nobody uses.

    A morph curse for example, into a CC stamina when it is applied.

    The morph Crystal .

    Transformed armor tied in buf and not toggle

    A morphs of the Lightning Splashe in stam area? (Yes I too want an effects "Hammer of Thor": p)

    Changes on pets will not change because the pets are uncontrollable and often visible in PvP.
    You have a set of armor stamina based on the pets, but pets are based on the maximum magika ...

    Also the skills of the Daedric way, their biggest problem is that they ask for lots 1 pitch, 2 bars, in a game where there are very little space in the skills bar

    (Sry for my English google trad)
    Edited by Svidrir on February 6, 2016 11:56AM
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