Are You Re-Rolling Your Templar?

elantaura · February 2016

I sort of regret having my NB as my crafter right now, I don't think a reroll so much as a benching is in order. I run about 4 pledges a day so this is going to effect not so much me but all those dps I know who want to get pledges done.
See I never really had a problem alone but play a support the group role in most situations. They may have to get someone else and at least with the lack of templar healers people will have to learn how to manage their own stamina, and not say shards that will be interesting. (I never got that shard addiction anyway as my NB manages without it)
I may respec but kind of annoyed now as due to spending a fortune, am locked into the armour I just made gold sigh...

Solariken · February 2016

No -- I'm keeping my Templar.

I will main a Templar until the day I leave ESO behind. I will go magicka though - Stamplars are are going to hit a new low in relative viability in PvP.

Why are the developers trying so hard to bury this class?

Stranglehands · February 2016

No -- I'm keeping my Templar.

It's not exactly like templars are a bad class for healing now. I daresay the build will be a bit better now since it's always been a bit too focused on healing as opposed to ranged dps

Chelos · February 2016

No -- I'm keeping my Templar.

I've been an Argonian Templar since Beta.
I will definitely not reroll and will not race-change. Ever.
He's going to be my crafter from now on though.

And I'm more open to what else is out there MMO wise than before.

DHale · February 2016

Yes -- I'm re-rolling my Templar.

I will reserve my judgement for live. This is pts and am very dissapoibted with the Templar changes in the patch notes and on pts . No I don't really care about Bol really sweeps mending rune focus blazing spear nerf from last patch. If they make it to live I am going to have to do some serious thinking.

Vanady · February 2016

Undecided.

I think I just need to make a new build now... Not really happy with that.

Robotmafia · February 2016

No -- I'm keeping my Templar.

i dont think the BOL nerf will be a big issue... in most 4man grp cases the 3rd person hit usually doesnt even need a heal... if your in a situation where more than 1-2 people are taking dmg then u can you circle of life and peopel have to more mindfull of where the heal is... and in larger grps u usually go for the aoe heal anyway... right now healing on my templar war super easy and i hardly have to worry about resources... all this will do is make it a little more difficult but not much imo..

the only downside i see right now is buffing the grp thro spell cured healing set.. now it will buff one person less per heal that kinda sucks.. but not a big deal imo

acw37162 · February 2016

Yes -- I'm re-rolling my Templar.

Kind of, just going to un-sub till class change comes if there current patch goes live.

I can play a slow stamina Templar with almost zero class utility or find another stamina class that offers some utility and functionality

Idinuse · February 2016

No. I'm probably done with this title. My Mars sub will still be on to test what actually has been done to the game in general and Templars in particular.

From there I'll see if any more time is going into this or something else.

lathbury · February 2016

oh look the whiney class is out in force again

Duiwel · February 2016

Sorry for your loss OP ... & everyone who said yes.

I had a templar on NA servers as 2nd main.

Kind of relieved I picked Sorc & DK for EU.

Johngo0036 · February 2016

No -- I'm keeping my Templar.

Why would you want to re-roll templar.. if you have a good build it will still remain a good build..

Yes BOL got a nerf, but other skills got a buff...

moesmaker · February 2016

No -- I'm keeping my Templar.

It would be the most STUPID thing to do to reroll my templar. She is my main from the start of ESO an due to changing game mechanics sometimes she is stronger, sometimes she is weaker. A future patch will make her OP maybe.

Hey, it's just real life: when I am sick, I have to accept I can't do all things I can do when I am healthy

Learn to adapt, it is just a game

Artjuh90 · February 2016

No -- I'm keeping my Templar.

Spottswoode wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

I might try healer as a Dk >.>

I'm not a big fan of Cauterize so far.....Obisidian Shard has caught my attention, surprisingly.

I'm in it for the long haul. Frankly, they seriously buffed Templar healing output with the Focused Healing passive change.

no it's a nerf. they only heal themself beter but thats no good when you are overhealing most of the time anyway

technohic · February 2016

Undecided.

Not sure. Been thinking about it before the patch notes and the notes have not swayed me one way or the other. Actually underwhelmed by both the nerfs and buffs. I'm more concerned about stealth netting sweeps resource cost and heals than anything.

DHale · February 2016

Yes -- I'm re-rolling my Templar.

Spottswoode wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

I might try healer as a Dk >.>

I'm not a big fan of Cauterize so far.....Obisidian Shard has caught my attention, surprisingly.

I'm in it for the long haul. Frankly, they seriously buffed Templar healing output with the Focused Healing passive change.

Actually it's a nerf currently I can throw down a rune and increase healing 30 percent and move out of my circle for up to 8 seconds. Also throw down a ritual and get 30 percent. In the new patch it will be 25 percent and I must stay in my rune circle. At no point is there a buff. Aside from the BOL nerf puncturing sweeps heal has been reduced five percent as well. Have you been on pts it's a notable loss?

Spottswoode · February 2016

No -- I'm keeping my Templar.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Spottswoode wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

I might try healer as a Dk >.>

I'm not a big fan of Cauterize so far.....Obisidian Shard has caught my attention, surprisingly.

I'm in it for the long haul. Frankly, they seriously buffed Templar healing output with the Focused Healing passive change.

no it's a nerf. they only heal themself beter but thats no good when you are overhealing most of the time anyway

Uhh.....no. Major mending on outgoing healing. Also, Redistributor is your friend.

DHale wrote: »

Spottswoode wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

I might try healer as a Dk >.>

I'm not a big fan of Cauterize so far.....Obisidian Shard has caught my attention, surprisingly.

I'm in it for the long haul. Frankly, they seriously buffed Templar healing output with the Focused Healing passive change.

Actually it's a nerf currently I can throw down a rune and increase healing 30 percent and move out of my circle for up to 8 seconds. Also throw down a ritual and get 30 percent. In the new patch it will be 25 percent and I must stay in my rune circle. At no point is there a buff. Aside from the BOL nerf puncturing sweeps heal has been reduced five percent as well. Have you been on pts it's a notable loss?

It applies to all heals now. So, yes. It's a buff. The current setup does give 30% on BoL. So you do take a 5% loss on BoL. Check out this and this. Notice the difference?

tinythinker · February 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

I have a VR16 DK, VR16Temp, VR16 NB, and 2 VR16 Sorcs. Could roll another VR16 but why? I am all for tweaks and buffs for Templars, but mostly people seem upset about BoL and make it sound worse than it is. The real issue for Templar healing is that ZOS can't seem to see the reason why few players want Healing Ritual & morphs or Honor the Dead. Breath of Life shouldn't have to carry the whole Templar healing skill line.

This is why Restoring Light should be a hell of a lot more interesting, IE: It should be like Earthen Heart or Siphoning. If Breath of Life completely blows the balance of the whole class, and they can't properly compensate for that, then they really need to rethink things. It is also blatantly obvious that if we can not be mobile at all, we need to have abilities and skills that compensate for that fact. Blinding Flashes helped in that manner, and if Eclipse actually worked or if they gave us a dragon scales type of skill we might actually be able to fill that stand and fight role. As it is you have to do a lot of running around trees, and simply out-defense your enemy for days til their hands cramp up.

Psst... dodge, over here.

Anhedonie · February 2016

Yes -- I'm re-rolling my Templar.

Did this a couple of months ago. Saw that coming.

Pallmor · February 2016

Templars are OP. They've become the new DK's.

There I said it.

Bezz · February 2016

Such little nerd and people cry this much. 5% less on jabs and BoL heals 1 less target. Unless there is more nerds I didn't see people need to get over themselves. That hardly hurts Templar and those that know how to heal and heal trials solo I doubt it will effect them. Sure sucks that BoL heals 1 less but it's nothing to freak out and blame ZoS for everything.

LadyNalcarya · February 2016

No -- I'm keeping my Templar.

BalticBlues wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I'm sorry, I don't really understand the male/female issue here. I'd like bold stoic heroic option for my characters as well, at least to have that option. I'm not really sure 'dark and criminal' is a male only thing here

My post was in not way meant discriminatory.
I just noticed that men and women in ESO seem to have different preferences.

ESO on launch was brillant, because it served all preferences. It was one of the few games that was equally popular among male and female players. Remarkable. However, since mid 2015, the majority of content in devopment seems to be targeted for a kind of GTA audience (first gankers, now thieves, later hitmen). While many men I spoke with like to do such things for fun, many female ESO players I spoke with dislike this. Maybe this is because female players are more social and role players while most male players just want to kick some ass. I do not know, I just notice. I also notice that guilds on console seem to consist of less and less female players. Their place take people who played game like GTA before, now seeking the same thrills in ESO. Therefore, on consoles I have the feeling that ZOS currently replaces the former female population (often coming from TES Skyrim) with a more male population (often coming from GTA). I do not know if this really is a good thing. While GTA is a hugely popular game, many of these players will be gone with the next shooter blockbuster (Doom...), while the TES people usually are more loyal.

Well, you could join Thieves guild, Dark brotherhood and Morag Tong in previous TES games. It's not related to GTA, stuff like this has always been a part of TES lore.
And as a female player, I must note that you have some very weird assumptions about female population in ESO (and about GTA, too). Please do not extrapolate the situation in your guild to the rest of playerbase.
P.S. Besides, you cant even kill a single cop in this game

How this is catering to GTA fans?

DHale · February 2016

Yes -- I'm re-rolling my Templar.

Spottswoode wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Spottswoode wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

I might try healer as a Dk >.>

I'm not a big fan of Cauterize so far.....Obisidian Shard has caught my attention, surprisingly.

I'm in it for the long haul. Frankly, they seriously buffed Templar healing output with the Focused Healing passive change.

no it's a nerf. they only heal themself beter but thats no good when you are overhealing most of the time anyway

Uhh.....no. Major mending on outgoing healing. Also, Redistributor is your friend.

DHale wrote: »

Spottswoode wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

I might try healer as a Dk >.>

I'm not a big fan of Cauterize so far.....Obisidian Shard has caught my attention, surprisingly.

I'm in it for the long haul. Frankly, they seriously buffed Templar healing output with the Focused Healing passive change.

Actually it's a nerf currently I can throw down a rune and increase healing 30 percent and move out of my circle for up to 8 seconds. Also throw down a ritual and get 30 percent. In the new patch it will be 25 percent and I must stay in my rune circle. At no point is there a buff. Aside from the BOL nerf puncturing sweeps heal has been reduced five percent as well. Have you been on pts it's a notable loss?

It applies to all heals now. So, yes. It's a buff. The current setup does give 30% on BoL. So you do take a 5% loss on BoL. Check out this and this. Notice the difference?

Why on earth should I or any templar have to throw down rituals or runes to cast sweeps or breath of life. Please explain how this is not a significant nerf? Also a 25 percent mending buff to offset a 50 healing nerf.... Great logic. Well got my dk to 35 I bet that if this patch goes live I will be able to out heal my Templar with my dk using igneous mutagen sea of flames and stonefist you wait it's going to happen.

Spottswoode · February 2016

No -- I'm keeping my Templar.

DHale wrote: »

Why on earth should I or any templar have to throw down rituals or runes to cast sweeps or breath of life. Please explain how this is not a significant nerf? Also a 25 percent mending buff to offset a 50 healing nerf.... Great logic. Well got my dk to 35 I bet that if this patch goes live I will be able to out heal my Templar with my dk using igneous mutagen sea of flames and stonefist you wait it's going to happen.

You did before. Matter of fact that's always how I have done healing. It's not that big a deal. The only difference is now that you can heal more with Vigor, healstaff heals, or any other heal that tickles your fancy. The fact you have to stand in a 12 meter wide heal is not the end of civilization or that much of a nerf.

Uhh..no it's not a 50% healing nerf. It's 5%. You lose 5% and one offheal. That's not a massive nerf. Matter of fact, the loss of the offheal is WAAY more significant than the 5% loss. But unless you are only using BoL to heal, it's a gain.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

No -- I'm keeping my Templar.

Spottswoode wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

Why on earth should I or any templar have to throw down rituals or runes to cast sweeps or breath of life. Please explain how this is not a significant nerf? Also a 25 percent mending buff to offset a 50 healing nerf.... Great logic. Well got my dk to 35 I bet that if this patch goes live I will be able to out heal my Templar with my dk using igneous mutagen sea of flames and stonefist you wait it's going to happen.

You did before. Matter of fact that's always how I have done healing. It's not that big a deal. The only difference is now that you can heal more with Vigor, healstaff heals, or any other heal that tickles your fancy. The fact you have to stand in a 12 meter wide heal is not the end of civilization or that much of a nerf.

Uhh..no it's not a 50% healing nerf. It's 5%. You lose 5% and one offheal. That's not a massive nerf. Matter of fact, the loss of the offheal is WAAY more significant than the 5% loss. But unless you are only using BoL to heal, it's a gain.

almost 40% the way i look at. healing lost to another one is 33% of base heal + 5 % = 38%

Spottswoode · February 2016

No -- I'm keeping my Templar.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Spottswoode wrote: »

DHale wrote: »

Why on earth should I or any templar have to throw down rituals or runes to cast sweeps or breath of life. Please explain how this is not a significant nerf? Also a 25 percent mending buff to offset a 50 healing nerf.... Great logic. Well got my dk to 35 I bet that if this patch goes live I will be able to out heal my Templar with my dk using igneous mutagen sea of flames and stonefist you wait it's going to happen.

You did before. Matter of fact that's always how I have done healing. It's not that big a deal. The only difference is now that you can heal more with Vigor, healstaff heals, or any other heal that tickles your fancy. The fact you have to stand in a 12 meter wide heal is not the end of civilization or that much of a nerf.

Uhh..no it's not a 50% healing nerf. It's 5%. You lose 5% and one offheal. That's not a massive nerf. Matter of fact, the loss of the offheal is WAAY more significant than the 5% loss. But unless you are only using BoL to heal, it's a gain.

almost 40% the way i look at. healing lost to another one is 33% of base heal + 5 % = 38%

More like 30%. The amount healed to that fourth person was about 50% of the base value. Since there are two people with the offheal, it's about 300% base value with all four people included.

So you lose a quarter of the total heals and 5%. Not agreeing with your logic, but the math is off on that.

Edit: Sorry, even I was wrong about the math lol. Since it's only 50% out of the 300% total value it's more like a 22%.

Khaos_Bane · February 2016

Reroll? I have a character of each class, so play what I feel is most fun at the time. Currently Magicka Nightblade and sorc.

Wreuntzylla · February 2016

I'm surprised no PvPer has raged at the change to purify. Projectiles in flight to no longer be cancelled is going to severely lower the survivability of most of the templars I run into.

nimander99 · February 2016

Yes -- I'm re-rolling my Templar.

I said re-roll but I'll actually just re-spec skills and morphs.

technohic · February 2016

Undecided.

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I'm surprised no PvPer has raged at the change to purify. Projectiles in flight to no longer be cancelled is going to severely lower the survivability of most of the templars I run into.

I think a lot of us kind of always accepted that as unintended. Those of us in the know are also concerned that they are trying to also fix-nerf Rune Focus when the class does not get as much regen passives as others. It has allowed me to go a bit more focused on damage than magicka regen and may be over. Could try to use aura for the intellect buff, but then I would have to change my potions...