you CANNOT make molag kena and lord warden purchasable for AP/GOLD

Moglijuana · February 2016

sirrmattus wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

i agree with op. why should we have to pay for dlc that provides these gears, if now you can get them without having the dlc

Limiting gear to DLC is pay to win. The only benefit players should get from DLC is access to new areas/dungeons. THAT'S fair. Everyone should be on a level playing field...Besides, grinding AP is MUCHHHH harder (if your're bad) than doing those lame dungeons no one cares about.

bull *** ***.. i have done vwgt 100 times at least. ive gotten 1 shoulder and that was from my gold key. i accidentally decon my shoulder, now i hav nothing. so all that time and struggles learning vwgt, and now its just purchasable? wtf

I feel bad for you because now for the same amount of time that you've put into PvE, I've put into PvP and will have the same chance of getting gear I want (I don't need it because I could care less about the monster sets). It's going to be nice when I get to spend the 2 million AP I have saved. That's like TEN monster pieces

. #REKT

Besides, I've been subscribed to Plus since day one of console release. Do I PVE? No. Do I care for it? No. Am I crying that PvE scrubs can now get proxy det super fast when it took my first character a month to get it? No. I subscribe to support a company that continually works on a game I continually play. And accessing all the DLC is a plus. Putting strong items like the monster sets behind a pay wall is literally pay to win. Obviously if your skills lack, you ain't going to win anything lol. I still swear by crafted sets over those items anyways because they're more reliable. Fair is fair and I think everyone should have an even playing field. This is a step in the right direction to letting people play how they want to play.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

catalyst10e wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

rozwellite wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Are you a PVE player? Then it doesn't effect you, and if anything just means your party members are stronger...
Are you a PVP player? your bothers and sisters in arms just got stronger, and your competition just got better.

Either way, it doesn't make your set any less valuable to you... so "fair" doesn't really come into it.

I am a pve player and yes it does affect me. Becasue now all those pvp ppl wont be even looking in group finder anymore. So much means even less players to choose from. Which will mean even worst experience when using group finder.

Ask all your pvp friends, if they will be doing any dungeons after the patch? They will say no the only reason I did dungeons was to try for the helm but now I can get the helm here so I might as well farm for ap.

Just like it's horrible to have PVE players in PVP, it's likewise bad to have PVP players in PVE, when you're not doing what you enjoy to do, you put no effort into it. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "I'm just here for vigor/proxy det" and had someone not listening to crown, standing around getting killed and hardly contributing.

Also, it's not like the vendor is just going to have an inventory of ALL the sets, and the pieces are expensive enough that anyone who hasn't been PVPing, probably doesnt have enough AP to buy them, thus making the RNG grind a viable option.

rozwellite wrote: »

Also think about how it will affect pvp. Now you will have even more pve noobs in pvp because they won't be learning to play in a dungeon. But they will all prolly be in the sewers, so don't expect them to be up top helping with keeps.

Playing in a dungeon and playing out int he field is vastly different and require 2 separate skill sets. Any "newbie" with enough gold or AP to buy the set so they can PVP in that gear is ok in my book, my guildmates would be more than happy to show them the ropes and guide them into being great PVP players, but we can't do that with a PVE player whos in PVP for the skill line, and plans to leave afterwards. Theres still the whole undaunted skill line, who's passives are still highly valued by players, I don't see you having trouble finding a group anytime soon. I mean, did you stop PVEing when you got your set?

200k isn't alot... should have been 5 to 10 times more

I knew someone was going to say it wasn't a lot. It's a lot for anyone new just getting into PVP, or anyone not in a PVP guild, or casual PVP players. Veteran PVP players who have had nothing to spend AP on for a while certainly have PLENTY to spend, but I personally feel 200k is a fine hurdle, it's a few days worth of work if you're starting fresh and do nothing but PVP, a month's worth if you're casual, and people like me who have held onto their AP and more-or-less have refused to do the PVE necessary, can now buy them when they appear.

so a new player to PvE would need to grind quite alot for it but a new player to PvP doesn't? good reasoning

Alucardo · February 2016

rozwellite wrote: »

Also think about how it will affect pvp. Now you will have even more pve noobs in pvp because they won't be learning to play in a dungeon. But they will all prolly be in the sewers, so don't expect them to be up top helping with keeps.

Don't worry. I'll be down there in the sewers keeping them in line, making them wish they were back in the dungeons

brandon · February 2016

I agree with the OP. What is the point to paying a subscription fee when the players who are too lazy to earn the items themselves are just handed it pretty much? Saying "I have a job, so I don't have time" is just a poor excuse. Boo hoo for you then. Seriously, I don't have time to play this everyday too, but why should I just be handed something that other people worked hard to obtain? I find it extremely sad that we're to the point where games are catered more towards the people who aren't willing to put in the time over the ones who actually make time for it.

gw2only1b14_ESO · February 2016

brandon wrote: »

I agree with the OP. What is the point to paying a subscription fee when the players who are too lazy to earn the items themselves are just handed it pretty much? Saying "I have a job, so I don't have time" is just a poor excuse. Boo hoo for you then. Seriously, I don't have time to play this everyday too, but why should I just be handed something that other people worked hard to obtain? I find it extremely sad that we're to the point where games are catered more towards the people who aren't willing to put in the time over the ones who actually make time for it.

on top of that the games lose and flavor feel or substance, since all that has to be removed ....I really wonder wtf people look for now in a game as a challenge??? I feel there isn't one anymore other then real life time sink

Artjuh90 · February 2016

brandon wrote: »

I agree with the OP. What is the point to paying a subscription fee when the players who are too lazy to earn the items themselves are just handed it pretty much? Saying "I have a job, so I don't have time" is just a poor excuse. Boo hoo for you then. Seriously, I don't have time to play this everyday too, but why should I just be handed something that other people worked hard to obtain? I find it extremely sad that we're to the point where games are catered more towards the people who aren't willing to put in the time over the ones who actually make time for it.

and end up having complains about to little content to do in the game

Mcwoods55 · February 2016

yodased wrote: »

You know whats not fair? You had the opportunity to get this gear by grinding before I had the opportunity to purchase it.

I had to grind out something called a 'job' in 'real life' to get the 'experience' I need to 'purchase' this goods.

So not fair, I wish I could spend the hours grinding away to get the gear you have, but I guess I will take the opportunity to you know, eat and things, instead.

Not fair is you have the hours available to grind out the hundreds and hundreds of hours needed to get some piece of gear while I have to work all day.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Take a sick day to get paid to farm!

Your post actually made little sense because if you are working for food then spending the money in the crown store is futile. LOL.

I do understand where you are coming from though. I work 50 hours a week and have a wife and two kids so playing time is limited to a couple hours a day at best.

Waffennacht · February 2016

... subscribers or dlc buyers?

So you are upset someone did not spend the 15 bucks for the dlc? Oh no! How dare they have access to gear without spending 15 dollars! Gwaaa!

Anyway this thread was already done prior to the pictures being posted.

catalyst10e · February 2016

Hope499 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

rozwellite wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Are you a PVE player? Then it doesn't effect you, and if anything just means your party members are stronger...
Are you a PVP player? your bothers and sisters in arms just got stronger, and your competition just got better.

Either way, it doesn't make your set any less valuable to you... so "fair" doesn't really come into it.

I am a pve player and yes it does affect me. Becasue now all those pvp ppl wont be even looking in group finder anymore. So much means even less players to choose from. Which will mean even worst experience when using group finder.

Ask all your pvp friends, if they will be doing any dungeons after the patch? They will say no the only reason I did dungeons was to try for the helm but now I can get the helm here so I might as well farm for ap.

Just like it's horrible to have PVE players in PVP, it's likewise bad to have PVP players in PVE, when you're not doing what you enjoy to do, you put no effort into it. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "I'm just here for vigor/proxy det" and had someone not listening to crown, standing around getting killed and hardly contributing.

Also, it's not like the vendor is just going to have an inventory of ALL the sets, and the pieces are expensive enough that anyone who hasn't been PVPing, probably doesnt have enough AP to buy them, thus making the RNG grind a viable option.

rozwellite wrote: »

Also think about how it will affect pvp. Now you will have even more pve noobs in pvp because they won't be learning to play in a dungeon. But they will all prolly be in the sewers, so don't expect them to be up top helping with keeps.

Playing in a dungeon and playing out int he field is vastly different and require 2 separate skill sets. Any "newbie" with enough gold or AP to buy the set so they can PVP in that gear is ok in my book, my guildmates would be more than happy to show them the ropes and guide them into being great PVP players, but we can't do that with a PVE player whos in PVP for the skill line, and plans to leave afterwards. Theres still the whole undaunted skill line, who's passives are still highly valued by players, I don't see you having trouble finding a group anytime soon. I mean, did you stop PVEing when you got your set?

200k isn't alot... should have been 5 to 10 times more

I knew someone was going to say it wasn't a lot. It's a lot for anyone new just getting into PVP, or anyone not in a PVP guild, or casual PVP players. Veteran PVP players who have had nothing to spend AP on for a while certainly have PLENTY to spend, but I personally feel 200k is a fine hurdle, it's a few days worth of work if you're starting fresh and do nothing but PVP, a month's worth if you're casual, and people like me who have held onto their AP and more-or-less have refused to do the PVE necessary, can now buy them when they appear.

Really?

Because I am a console player, started maybe a month after release, and dont even have my rank 5 PvP rank (not even Vigor unlocked) and i can afford it twice over....

In gold, i can buy it 20 times.

wtf do you guys spend so much on?????

So... what is your issue? You've been PVPing long enough to get rank 5, which according to the new updates if you're halfway through, you'll have it maxed. Since you've been playing since a month after release, I imagine you WOULD have at least 200k AP to spend on a monster set.. it'd be weird if you didnt (and had a rank 5 assault). Are you FOR the side that monster sets shouldn't be purchaseable? Im failing to see your point as to why you think it should cost more. 200k AP is a decent enough price point where it's accessible to everyone who's been here a while, while still being attainable for a brand new player eventually but not immediately.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

rozwellite wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Are you a PVE player? Then it doesn't effect you, and if anything just means your party members are stronger...
Are you a PVP player? your bothers and sisters in arms just got stronger, and your competition just got better.

Either way, it doesn't make your set any less valuable to you... so "fair" doesn't really come into it.

I am a pve player and yes it does affect me. Becasue now all those pvp ppl wont be even looking in group finder anymore. So much means even less players to choose from. Which will mean even worst experience when using group finder.

Ask all your pvp friends, if they will be doing any dungeons after the patch? They will say no the only reason I did dungeons was to try for the helm but now I can get the helm here so I might as well farm for ap.

Just like it's horrible to have PVE players in PVP, it's likewise bad to have PVP players in PVE, when you're not doing what you enjoy to do, you put no effort into it. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "I'm just here for vigor/proxy det" and had someone not listening to crown, standing around getting killed and hardly contributing.

Also, it's not like the vendor is just going to have an inventory of ALL the sets, and the pieces are expensive enough that anyone who hasn't been PVPing, probably doesnt have enough AP to buy them, thus making the RNG grind a viable option.

rozwellite wrote: »

Also think about how it will affect pvp. Now you will have even more pve noobs in pvp because they won't be learning to play in a dungeon. But they will all prolly be in the sewers, so don't expect them to be up top helping with keeps.

Playing in a dungeon and playing out int he field is vastly different and require 2 separate skill sets. Any "newbie" with enough gold or AP to buy the set so they can PVP in that gear is ok in my book, my guildmates would be more than happy to show them the ropes and guide them into being great PVP players, but we can't do that with a PVE player whos in PVP for the skill line, and plans to leave afterwards. Theres still the whole undaunted skill line, who's passives are still highly valued by players, I don't see you having trouble finding a group anytime soon. I mean, did you stop PVEing when you got your set?

200k isn't alot... should have been 5 to 10 times more

I knew someone was going to say it wasn't a lot. It's a lot for anyone new just getting into PVP, or anyone not in a PVP guild, or casual PVP players. Veteran PVP players who have had nothing to spend AP on for a while certainly have PLENTY to spend, but I personally feel 200k is a fine hurdle, it's a few days worth of work if you're starting fresh and do nothing but PVP, a month's worth if you're casual, and people like me who have held onto their AP and more-or-less have refused to do the PVE necessary, can now buy them when they appear.

so a new player to PvE would need to grind quite alot for it but a new player to PvP doesn't? good reasoning

Based on what? there's people in this forum who claim to have gotten the set on their 3rd try.... is that "fair"?
The PVE grind is totally different than the PVP grind, in what way did I say a new PVP player doesnt need to grind for it? If they want to, they grind AP, yeah theres ways to exploit that but a new PVP player isnt going to know those right away.

Destyran · February 2016

Xellos77 wrote: »

You know what's not fair? Going to college and making less money than before you went. Now, you just have a nice chunk of change to pay back the government for your efforts.

This? Eh. It happens. Just like "limited time only" doesn't mean it will never be back.

If only you studied something useful instead of philosophy!!! Orhow to tie shoes 101

RedRoomGaming · February 2016

Think someone needs a waambulance!

MisterBigglesworth · February 2016

Paul Sage told us all this was going to happen at Quakecon 2014.
You had 18 months to go find something else to play.

SirAndy · February 2016

I say get rid of BoP items and let the market sort itself out.

That way you can at least make some gold selling all those set items you spent so much time farming.

DHale · February 2016

Can I have your stuff? Pretty please!

Morozov · February 2016

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Purdomination33 wrote: »

The sets will still be crazy expensive and unattainable for vast majority of players. A few hundred thousand AP points may be nothing to OP but majority of players take weeks to amass that much. Same goes for gold.

I understand your complaint if one could purchase gold using real money (I for one would absolutely buy it! yay having a career) but since you cannot purchase gold that means you still have to somehow 'grind it out'.

This is simply a different means to the same end. Those of us who cannot spend 6 hours in a dungeon can save up the gold over a few months with a goal in mind.

100k gold and 200k ap is what they reselling for currently
you can get 100k gold EASILY in one day from stealing

someone please confirm this cause that would mean I have enough AP saved to get every helmet I don't have....like all of them cept 2

Morozov · February 2016

brandon wrote: »

I agree with the OP. What is the point to paying a subscription fee when the players who are too lazy to earn the items themselves are just handed it pretty much? Saying "I have a job, so I don't have time" is just a poor excuse. Boo hoo for you then. Seriously, I don't have time to play this everyday too, but why should I just be handed something that other people worked hard to obtain? I find it extremely sad that we're to the point where games are catered more towards the people who aren't willing to put in the time over the ones who actually make time for it.

Im gonna go out on a limb here, but I bet the ones who can't play this game all day have jobs.....which give them monies......which ZOS wants badly........to spend on things in the game that they know would take them forever to farm....

yodased · February 2016

Mcwoods55 wrote: »

Take a sick day to get paid to farm!

Your post actually made little sense because if you are working for food then spending the money in the crown store is futile. LOL.

I do understand where you are coming from though. I work 50 hours a week and have a wife and two kids so playing time is limited to a couple hours a day at best.

I was intentionally going over the top there, obviously i'm not subsistence farming over here, the point was no everyone has the luxury of spending the time to 'earn' video game rewards.

When I do have the time, I do enjoy getting them the initial or intended way, but if I have the extra cash and don't have the extra time, why the hell can't I get what I want to make the game better. It doesn't hurt anyone else other than the fact they are upset that they spent the time.

Well I spent that time earning the money that bought the gear, so in the same way while you are grinding dungeons for gear, I am grinding code for money, its a currency the same way, its just bitter people that didn't have good RNG luck that have an issue with this.

Basically, they are pissed that it took them a long time to get something because of *** luck and want everyone else to suffer for it.

Autolycus · February 2016

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Not being fair is how rewarding PvE is compared to PvP.

Honestly, it would be fair if grinding AP in Cyro was even remotely comparable to the challenges of completing vWGT and vIP. I haven't been on the PTS so I don't know what the traits look like on the vendored versions of these helms, but I'm inclined to believe that "high amounts of AP" is still not even remotely comparable to the time and effort of going through the dungeons to get the right piece with the right trait.

I proposed an idea that was fair for both PvPers and PvErs, which revolves around the concept of having a unique currency obtainable from both PvE and PvP daily events, such as kill quests, pledges, dropping from bosses in dungeons, getting the currency alongside of rewards for the worthy, etc. In this context, having a vendor makes sense, because then both PvPers and PvErs earn their currency at the same rate despite content preference.

The time spent to earn a million AP isn't the same as the time spent on 300 runs, especially considering how easy it is to set up an AP farm in a keep or outpost. A decent group with a mild amount of experience and the ability to follow directions can crank out hundreds of thousands of AP a day. It takes weeks of nonstop farming the same dungeon over and over again to get that one piece from PvE, and for some reason I have yet to see a PvP-exclusive player recognize the fact that most PvE-exclusive players don't want to spend that much time doing the dungeon either.

Consider this: Wrothgar came out in October, right? How many people are still farming WGT and Prison to get their helm, rather than doing content that was released 3 months ago? Another noteworthy point: How many of said players who are still farming for their helms would rather be PvPing?

Xjcon · February 2016

yodased wrote: »

You know whats not fair? You had the opportunity to get this gear by grinding before I had the opportunity to purchase it.

I had to grind out something called a 'job' in 'real life' to get the 'experience' I need to 'purchase' this goods.

So not fair, I wish I could spend the hours grinding away to get the gear you have, but I guess I will take the opportunity to you know, eat and things, instead.

Not fair is you have the hours available to grind out the hundreds and hundreds of hours needed to get some piece of gear while I have to work all day.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

This ^^^^^^so much this^^^^^^^the amount of child like cry's about fair on these forums is absurd.

Moonshadow66 · February 2016

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Not being fair is how rewarding PvE is compared to PvP.

I just wanted to say it!

I'm a PvEer, and what do I get? Guard duty... oh wait, no, I'm not a Skyrim guard.. I mean, trash. And trash only. Without an exception. The only stuff I get I can vendor, vendor and vendor again that I start to think the vendor might be a good match, eventually. Actually wearing anything of that? The deathcap will follow right away, I tell you.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

catalyst10e wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

rozwellite wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Are you a PVE player? Then it doesn't effect you, and if anything just means your party members are stronger...
Are you a PVP player? your bothers and sisters in arms just got stronger, and your competition just got better.

Either way, it doesn't make your set any less valuable to you... so "fair" doesn't really come into it.

I am a pve player and yes it does affect me. Becasue now all those pvp ppl wont be even looking in group finder anymore. So much means even less players to choose from. Which will mean even worst experience when using group finder.

Ask all your pvp friends, if they will be doing any dungeons after the patch? They will say no the only reason I did dungeons was to try for the helm but now I can get the helm here so I might as well farm for ap.

Just like it's horrible to have PVE players in PVP, it's likewise bad to have PVP players in PVE, when you're not doing what you enjoy to do, you put no effort into it. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "I'm just here for vigor/proxy det" and had someone not listening to crown, standing around getting killed and hardly contributing.

Also, it's not like the vendor is just going to have an inventory of ALL the sets, and the pieces are expensive enough that anyone who hasn't been PVPing, probably doesnt have enough AP to buy them, thus making the RNG grind a viable option.

rozwellite wrote: »

Also think about how it will affect pvp. Now you will have even more pve noobs in pvp because they won't be learning to play in a dungeon. But they will all prolly be in the sewers, so don't expect them to be up top helping with keeps.

Playing in a dungeon and playing out int he field is vastly different and require 2 separate skill sets. Any "newbie" with enough gold or AP to buy the set so they can PVP in that gear is ok in my book, my guildmates would be more than happy to show them the ropes and guide them into being great PVP players, but we can't do that with a PVE player whos in PVP for the skill line, and plans to leave afterwards. Theres still the whole undaunted skill line, who's passives are still highly valued by players, I don't see you having trouble finding a group anytime soon. I mean, did you stop PVEing when you got your set?

200k isn't alot... should have been 5 to 10 times more

I knew someone was going to say it wasn't a lot. It's a lot for anyone new just getting into PVP, or anyone not in a PVP guild, or casual PVP players. Veteran PVP players who have had nothing to spend AP on for a while certainly have PLENTY to spend, but I personally feel 200k is a fine hurdle, it's a few days worth of work if you're starting fresh and do nothing but PVP, a month's worth if you're casual, and people like me who have held onto their AP and more-or-less have refused to do the PVE necessary, can now buy them when they appear.

Really?

Because I am a console player, started maybe a month after release, and dont even have my rank 5 PvP rank (not even Vigor unlocked) and i can afford it twice over....

In gold, i can buy it 20 times.

wtf do you guys spend so much on?????

So... what is your issue? You've been PVPing long enough to get rank 5, which according to the new updates if you're halfway through, you'll have it maxed. Since you've been playing since a month after release, I imagine you WOULD have at least 200k AP to spend on a monster set.. it'd be weird if you didnt (and had a rank 5 assault). Are you FOR the side that monster sets shouldn't be purchaseable? Im failing to see your point as to why you think it should cost more. 200k AP is a decent enough price point where it's accessible to everyone who's been here a while, while still being attainable for a brand new player eventually but not immediately.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

rozwellite wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Are you a PVE player? Then it doesn't effect you, and if anything just means your party members are stronger...
Are you a PVP player? your bothers and sisters in arms just got stronger, and your competition just got better.

Either way, it doesn't make your set any less valuable to you... so "fair" doesn't really come into it.

I am a pve player and yes it does affect me. Becasue now all those pvp ppl wont be even looking in group finder anymore. So much means even less players to choose from. Which will mean even worst experience when using group finder.

Ask all your pvp friends, if they will be doing any dungeons after the patch? They will say no the only reason I did dungeons was to try for the helm but now I can get the helm here so I might as well farm for ap.

Just like it's horrible to have PVE players in PVP, it's likewise bad to have PVP players in PVE, when you're not doing what you enjoy to do, you put no effort into it. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "I'm just here for vigor/proxy det" and had someone not listening to crown, standing around getting killed and hardly contributing.

Also, it's not like the vendor is just going to have an inventory of ALL the sets, and the pieces are expensive enough that anyone who hasn't been PVPing, probably doesnt have enough AP to buy them, thus making the RNG grind a viable option.

rozwellite wrote: »

Also think about how it will affect pvp. Now you will have even more pve noobs in pvp because they won't be learning to play in a dungeon. But they will all prolly be in the sewers, so don't expect them to be up top helping with keeps.

Playing in a dungeon and playing out int he field is vastly different and require 2 separate skill sets. Any "newbie" with enough gold or AP to buy the set so they can PVP in that gear is ok in my book, my guildmates would be more than happy to show them the ropes and guide them into being great PVP players, but we can't do that with a PVE player whos in PVP for the skill line, and plans to leave afterwards. Theres still the whole undaunted skill line, who's passives are still highly valued by players, I don't see you having trouble finding a group anytime soon. I mean, did you stop PVEing when you got your set?

200k isn't alot... should have been 5 to 10 times more

I knew someone was going to say it wasn't a lot. It's a lot for anyone new just getting into PVP, or anyone not in a PVP guild, or casual PVP players. Veteran PVP players who have had nothing to spend AP on for a while certainly have PLENTY to spend, but I personally feel 200k is a fine hurdle, it's a few days worth of work if you're starting fresh and do nothing but PVP, a month's worth if you're casual, and people like me who have held onto their AP and more-or-less have refused to do the PVE necessary, can now buy them when they appear.

so a new player to PvE would need to grind quite alot for it but a new player to PvP doesn't? good reasoning

Based on what? there's people in this forum who claim to have gotten the set on their 3rd try.... is that "fair"?
The PVE grind is totally different than the PVP grind, in what way did I say a new PVP player doesnt need to grind for it? If they want to, they grind AP, yeah theres ways to exploit that but a new PVP player isnt going to know those right away.

well that's RNG i would agree there are also those who claim to have it done 100+ time. although i don't beleave that number it will be a good amount of tries. so you have to look at RNG from both ways. not just the way it pleases you

catalyst10e · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

rozwellite wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Are you a PVE player? Then it doesn't effect you, and if anything just means your party members are stronger...
Are you a PVP player? your bothers and sisters in arms just got stronger, and your competition just got better.

Either way, it doesn't make your set any less valuable to you... so "fair" doesn't really come into it.

I am a pve player and yes it does affect me. Becasue now all those pvp ppl wont be even looking in group finder anymore. So much means even less players to choose from. Which will mean even worst experience when using group finder.

Ask all your pvp friends, if they will be doing any dungeons after the patch? They will say no the only reason I did dungeons was to try for the helm but now I can get the helm here so I might as well farm for ap.

Just like it's horrible to have PVE players in PVP, it's likewise bad to have PVP players in PVE, when you're not doing what you enjoy to do, you put no effort into it. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "I'm just here for vigor/proxy det" and had someone not listening to crown, standing around getting killed and hardly contributing.

Also, it's not like the vendor is just going to have an inventory of ALL the sets, and the pieces are expensive enough that anyone who hasn't been PVPing, probably doesnt have enough AP to buy them, thus making the RNG grind a viable option.

rozwellite wrote: »

Also think about how it will affect pvp. Now you will have even more pve noobs in pvp because they won't be learning to play in a dungeon. But they will all prolly be in the sewers, so don't expect them to be up top helping with keeps.

Playing in a dungeon and playing out int he field is vastly different and require 2 separate skill sets. Any "newbie" with enough gold or AP to buy the set so they can PVP in that gear is ok in my book, my guildmates would be more than happy to show them the ropes and guide them into being great PVP players, but we can't do that with a PVE player whos in PVP for the skill line, and plans to leave afterwards. Theres still the whole undaunted skill line, who's passives are still highly valued by players, I don't see you having trouble finding a group anytime soon. I mean, did you stop PVEing when you got your set?

200k isn't alot... should have been 5 to 10 times more

I knew someone was going to say it wasn't a lot. It's a lot for anyone new just getting into PVP, or anyone not in a PVP guild, or casual PVP players. Veteran PVP players who have had nothing to spend AP on for a while certainly have PLENTY to spend, but I personally feel 200k is a fine hurdle, it's a few days worth of work if you're starting fresh and do nothing but PVP, a month's worth if you're casual, and people like me who have held onto their AP and more-or-less have refused to do the PVE necessary, can now buy them when they appear.

Really?

Because I am a console player, started maybe a month after release, and dont even have my rank 5 PvP rank (not even Vigor unlocked) and i can afford it twice over....

In gold, i can buy it 20 times.

wtf do you guys spend so much on?????

So... what is your issue? You've been PVPing long enough to get rank 5, which according to the new updates if you're halfway through, you'll have it maxed. Since you've been playing since a month after release, I imagine you WOULD have at least 200k AP to spend on a monster set.. it'd be weird if you didnt (and had a rank 5 assault). Are you FOR the side that monster sets shouldn't be purchaseable? Im failing to see your point as to why you think it should cost more. 200k AP is a decent enough price point where it's accessible to everyone who's been here a while, while still being attainable for a brand new player eventually but not immediately.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

rozwellite wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Are you a PVE player? Then it doesn't effect you, and if anything just means your party members are stronger...
Are you a PVP player? your bothers and sisters in arms just got stronger, and your competition just got better.

Either way, it doesn't make your set any less valuable to you... so "fair" doesn't really come into it.

I am a pve player and yes it does affect me. Becasue now all those pvp ppl wont be even looking in group finder anymore. So much means even less players to choose from. Which will mean even worst experience when using group finder.

Ask all your pvp friends, if they will be doing any dungeons after the patch? They will say no the only reason I did dungeons was to try for the helm but now I can get the helm here so I might as well farm for ap.

Just like it's horrible to have PVE players in PVP, it's likewise bad to have PVP players in PVE, when you're not doing what you enjoy to do, you put no effort into it. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "I'm just here for vigor/proxy det" and had someone not listening to crown, standing around getting killed and hardly contributing.

Also, it's not like the vendor is just going to have an inventory of ALL the sets, and the pieces are expensive enough that anyone who hasn't been PVPing, probably doesnt have enough AP to buy them, thus making the RNG grind a viable option.

rozwellite wrote: »

Also think about how it will affect pvp. Now you will have even more pve noobs in pvp because they won't be learning to play in a dungeon. But they will all prolly be in the sewers, so don't expect them to be up top helping with keeps.

Playing in a dungeon and playing out int he field is vastly different and require 2 separate skill sets. Any "newbie" with enough gold or AP to buy the set so they can PVP in that gear is ok in my book, my guildmates would be more than happy to show them the ropes and guide them into being great PVP players, but we can't do that with a PVE player whos in PVP for the skill line, and plans to leave afterwards. Theres still the whole undaunted skill line, who's passives are still highly valued by players, I don't see you having trouble finding a group anytime soon. I mean, did you stop PVEing when you got your set?

200k isn't alot... should have been 5 to 10 times more

I knew someone was going to say it wasn't a lot. It's a lot for anyone new just getting into PVP, or anyone not in a PVP guild, or casual PVP players. Veteran PVP players who have had nothing to spend AP on for a while certainly have PLENTY to spend, but I personally feel 200k is a fine hurdle, it's a few days worth of work if you're starting fresh and do nothing but PVP, a month's worth if you're casual, and people like me who have held onto their AP and more-or-less have refused to do the PVE necessary, can now buy them when they appear.

so a new player to PvE would need to grind quite alot for it but a new player to PvP doesn't? good reasoning

Based on what? there's people in this forum who claim to have gotten the set on their 3rd try.... is that "fair"?
The PVE grind is totally different than the PVP grind, in what way did I say a new PVP player doesnt need to grind for it? If they want to, they grind AP, yeah theres ways to exploit that but a new PVP player isnt going to know those right away.

well that's RNG i would agree there are also those who claim to have it done 100+ time. although i don't beleave that number it will be a good amount of tries. so you have to look at RNG from both ways. not just the way it pleases you

I agree, the RNG is a garbage system, and this is one way of getting around it. I also feel the RNG should be a bit better, It's rough on you PVE guys/gals I get it, and you see this as some kind of pandering to the PVP types who cried they didnt want to PVE to get the gear they needed while you earned it. I fully understand the mind set, I just dont agree with it. I dont think ti should take 100+ tries to find the set you're looking for, and I don't think it should take months to get the assault/support skill lines. I'm at assault 7, I did my time to "earn" proxy det. But I'm not going to be mad that the guys sitting in rank 5 suddenly shoot to 10 and have it handed to them. I've played plenty of koren grind-fest MMOs and it's not the direction to go in... a constant grind isn't the answer to pad out your game so people dont notice the huge gaps in content and patches.

Aspi90 · February 2016

Of course most of them who already obtained all/most of the monster sets don´t find this a good idea or say that the prices are to low, cause why should other players get something with "less" (less in their eyes) effort to get the same stuff they got...
Just be happy that you have the monster sets, other aren´t that lucky, play solo or whatever. I don´t mind that you see a lot more people running with this sets, why should I?
And keep also in mind, that most guys, who are active in this forum, aren´t the typical ESO player. I guess the average player has less AP and Gold than 95% of the people here...So 200k AP for some dudes may not be compareable to 200k AP for you.

Armenian_Ninja · February 2016

Pve'rs get a constant flow of new content to keep them going. Pvpers got a half assed pvp dlc that only serves well as a dueling are since its so empty. And nothing else, not even proper performance upgrades. Let us have something for once. Something to spend our AP on. Stop whining.

IcyDeadPeople · February 2016

Hope499 wrote: »

I had to spend weeks and weeks of farming for me Kena helm.

i wouldn't change a THING, that is how games are SUPPOSED to be, you EARN your ***.

Thats RNG, thats what makes it feel so good when you finally get it, thats what makes the game worth playing, I had to do WGT at least 30 times before my helm...and thats what got me playing the content.....

If you had fun running that dungeon 30 times, that's awesome.

I imagine the point of making these available from the PVP vendor, however, was for those who want to play exclusively in PVP, for example, or who simply don't enjoy group dungeons.

It seems they are adapting the itemization a bit to encourage people to do what they enjoy.

Players who hate PVP no longer need to participate in the alliance war very much at all to get proxy detonation and vigor. Players who hate doing PVE dungeons still need to do a fair bit of these if they want special trial sets or Undaunted passives, etc., but at least we don't need to run them over and over for the monster helms.

Xjcon · February 2016

Armenian_Ninja wrote: »

Pve'rs get a constant flow of new content to keep them going. Pvpers got a half assed pvp dlc that only serves well as a dueling are since its so empty. And nothing else, not even proper performance upgrades. Let us have something for once. Something to spend our AP on. Stop whining.

Go ahead and search the forums for the response from the PVP community when IC was about to launch. Go look how much STFU the pvp community gave the PVE carebears. It was so funny to see how it all turned out.

Troneon · February 2016

This.

Those prices are far too low considering you can run 100+ vet dungeons and still not get a helm.....or blow 50-100 keys and still not get the shoulder with the trait you are looking for.

This game is turning into GW2 and WOW where you earn nothing by playing the harder content and just buy everything with currency off some trading post or npc...

People will always choose this method over RNG bad luck. RIP Dungeons, guna be harder to get groups now.

Far too casual now.

NBrookus · February 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Ruben wrote: »

The vendor does not sell head pieces, only shoulders.

I'm not sure if that's true. The vendor on PTS is currently only selling one specific shoulder, but from my understanding that will switch to another piece, which may be a shoulder or may be a helm.

Ruben wrote: »

You can get those without buying the DLC by doing daily normal and veteran dungeons.

Is this true? I'm an ESO+ subscriber, so I wouldn't know, but is it possible to get Kena and Lord Warden shoulders from undaunted keys if you don't have access to the DLC?

I'm pretty sure I got my Kena shoulders before I bought IC.

AlnilamE · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Purdomination33 wrote: »

The sets will still be crazy expensive and unattainable for vast majority of players. A few hundred thousand AP points may be nothing to OP but majority of players take weeks to amass that much. Same goes for gold.

I understand your complaint if one could purchase gold using real money (I for one would absolutely buy it! yay having a career) but since you cannot purchase gold that means you still have to somehow 'grind it out'.

This is simply a different means to the same end. Those of us who cannot spend 6 hours in a dungeon can save up the gold over a few months with a goal in mind.

100k gold and 200k ap is what they reselling for currently
you can get 100k gold EASILY in one day from stealing

250 x 150 = 37500 so would take you 3 days only selling the blue items. so not easy

...if you only have one character. Also, you are not counting purple items and the money that is looted from the lockboxes.

Vangy · February 2016

Have 1.4 million ap stocked up. Good bye my well fitted kena helm. I'm gona hoard all the sets just cos I can lol. 200k ap. Wahhaahahahahaha!