you CANNOT make molag kena and lord warden purchasable for AP/GOLD

Darkonflare15 · February 2016

Moglijuana wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

i agree with op. why should we have to pay for dlc that provides these gears, if now you can get them without having the dlc

Limiting gear to DLC is pay to win. The only benefit players should get from DLC is access to new areas/dungeons. THAT'S fair. Everyone should be on a level playing field...Besides, grinding AP is MUCHHHH harder (if your're bad) than doing those lame dungeons no one cares about.

Lol pay 2 win. You can use other sets that are not in the dlc to beat people who use those sets in pvp. This game was a subscription base only game and still allows you have a subscription now. Each dlc is just a new update just like it was back then if you choose not to pay for a subscription because at least this game gives you the option. Then it's either pay for dlc or get left behind just buying an expansion back in the day.
It not like players are buying items that are powerful from the crown store and then use them overpowered people in pvp or do a huge amount of damage in pve that is pay 2 win since you are literally using real money to receive these items. What players are doing, paying for access to new content to earn new gear by actually playing the content. You do not automatically get stronger when you purchase this content so its not pay 2 win.

UrQuan · February 2016

Ruben wrote: »

The vendor does not sell head pieces, only shoulders.

I'm not sure if that's true. The vendor on PTS is currently only selling one specific shoulder, but from my understanding that will switch to another piece, which may be a shoulder or may be a helm.

Ruben wrote: »

You can get those without buying the DLC by doing daily normal and veteran dungeons.

Is this true? I'm an ESO+ subscriber, so I wouldn't know, but is it possible to get Kena and Lord Warden shoulders from undaunted keys if you don't have access to the DLC?

nans_biscuits · February 2016

Life isn't fair, shouldn't you be happy other people don't have to spend hours farming RNG and go through what you did? It was your choice to do it after all.

bedlom · February 2016

So what! let them get there gear ffs why do you care so much just enjoy yr own life.

Lucky28 · February 2016

I actually agree with this. i already have a very hard time finding groups for WTG and ICP. If they make it so you can get the sets in another way, i will never be able to do those dungeons again... guaranteed.

DRXHarbinger · February 2016

I do lol at people saying they've done hundreds of run, you really haven't done hundreds and got nothing at all.

rozwellite · February 2016

What I don't understand is that this is a mmo game. Part of playing an mmo is knowing that if you want something awesome you have to grind for. You have to do stupid stuff u don't want to do over and over and over again. Thats when you fill like you have "earned" it. None of the monster sets should be available to sell. I am sorry guys but if people don't want to put in the hard work to get they shouldn't get it. It takes doing dungeons over and over to the gear. Sorry you don't like doing dungeons well I don't really like doing them either but I do them because I know I have to. PVP that want to spend their whole time pvping thats fine its how you play the game but what I don't understand is why is zosing now just giving the stuff away. Sorry guys but this is not how an mmo works and zos this is the kind of stuff that breaks the game. Because guess what now ppl wont be grinding dungeons cause they wont have to. So less and less poeple will be doing dungeons. There is no incentive to run the dungeon over and over. Why should they when they can just pvp and get ap while "doing what they want to".

catalyst10e · February 2016

Are you a PVE player? Then it doesn't effect you, and if anything just means your party members are stronger...
Are you a PVP player? your bothers and sisters in arms just got stronger, and your competition just got better.

Either way, it doesn't make your set any less valuable to you... so "fair" doesn't really come into it.

rozwellite · February 2016

catalyst10e wrote: »

Are you a PVE player? Then it doesn't effect you, and if anything just means your party members are stronger...
Are you a PVP player? your bothers and sisters in arms just got stronger, and your competition just got better.

Either way, it doesn't make your set any less valuable to you... so "fair" doesn't really come into it.

I am a pve player and yes it does affect me. Becasue now all those pvp ppl wont be even looking in group finder anymore. So much means even less players to choose from. Which will mean even worst experience when using group finder.

Ask all your pvp friends, if they will be doing any dungeons after the patch? They will say no the only reason I did dungeons was to try for the helm but now I can get the helm here so I might as well farm for ap.

rozwellite · February 2016

Also think about how it will affect pvp. Now you will have even more pve noobs in pvp because they won't be learning to play in a dungeon. But they will all prolly be in the sewers, so don't expect them to be up top helping with keeps.

catalyst10e · February 2016

rozwellite wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Are you a PVE player? Then it doesn't effect you, and if anything just means your party members are stronger...
Are you a PVP player? your bothers and sisters in arms just got stronger, and your competition just got better.

Either way, it doesn't make your set any less valuable to you... so "fair" doesn't really come into it.

I am a pve player and yes it does affect me. Becasue now all those pvp ppl wont be even looking in group finder anymore. So much means even less players to choose from. Which will mean even worst experience when using group finder.

Ask all your pvp friends, if they will be doing any dungeons after the patch? They will say no the only reason I did dungeons was to try for the helm but now I can get the helm here so I might as well farm for ap.

Just like it's horrible to have PVE players in PVP, it's likewise bad to have PVP players in PVE, when you're not doing what you enjoy to do, you put no effort into it. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "I'm just here for vigor/proxy det" and had someone not listening to crown, standing around getting killed and hardly contributing.

Also, it's not like the vendor is just going to have an inventory of ALL the sets, and the pieces are expensive enough that anyone who hasn't been PVPing, probably doesnt have enough AP to buy them, thus making the RNG grind a viable option.

rozwellite wrote: »

Also think about how it will affect pvp. Now you will have even more pve noobs in pvp because they won't be learning to play in a dungeon. But they will all prolly be in the sewers, so don't expect them to be up top helping with keeps.

Playing in a dungeon and playing out int he field is vastly different and require 2 separate skill sets. Any "newbie" with enough gold or AP to buy the set so they can PVP in that gear is ok in my book, my guildmates would be more than happy to show them the ropes and guide them into being great PVP players, but we can't do that with a PVE player whos in PVP for the skill line, and plans to leave afterwards. Theres still the whole undaunted skill line, who's passives are still highly valued by players, I don't see you having trouble finding a group anytime soon. I mean, did you stop PVEing when you got your set?

Waffennacht · February 2016

What's not fair is the drop rates for WGT and IP being broken.

Poor players grinding away on a literally messed up RnG.

They will update the drop rates. No longer should it take 100 runs for one item.

What's really not fair? Making it impossible to solo WgT or IP, again Just like school the most popular kids get the easiest path through.

ral · February 2016

Got my helmet in 3 tries. Well-lifted.

gw2only1b14_ESO · February 2016

Bfish22090 wrote: »

you cant make this possible because then players who didnt purchase the imperial city will have access to kena/lord warden
i have spent hours farming these sets and it wouldnt be fair

Id bash you with life's not fair but thats kettle calling pot black.....but Ill open your eye so you can see the writing on the wall The game as a whole is not thinking about you or me its about the seed in my sack and whats coming down the line...they want all to be able to pop into the game and be on par with you and me from get go.

So its Vanilla

gw2only1b14_ESO · February 2016

ral wrote: »

Got my helmet in 3 tries. Well-lifted.

well lifted ?? so you Do Lift Bro!!!

Artjuh90 · February 2016

rozwellite wrote: »

What I don't understand is that this is a mmo game. Part of playing an mmo is knowing that if you want something awesome you have to grind for. You have to do stupid stuff u don't want to do over and over and over again. Thats when you fill like you have "earned" it. None of the monster sets should be available to sell. I am sorry guys but if people don't want to put in the hard work to get they shouldn't get it. It takes doing dungeons over and over to the gear. Sorry you don't like doing dungeons well I don't really like doing them either but I do them because I know I have to. PVP that want to spend their whole time pvping thats fine its how you play the game but what I don't understand is why is zosing now just giving the stuff away. Sorry guys but this is not how an mmo works and zos this is the kind of stuff that breaks the game. Because guess what now ppl wont be grinding dungeons cause they wont have to. So less and less poeple will be doing dungeons. There is no incentive to run the dungeon over and over. Why should they when they can just pvp and get ap while "doing what they want to".

with the trait they want to

AddictionX · February 2016

This... this is why I waited... looks like i can buy them now

good stuff

cote-bmsb16_ESO · February 2016

Its pretty frustrating when they accommodate these *** pvp players who can't even complete a pve dungeon. I've pugged pvp players for the pledge a few times, and sadly disappointed each time. Yet lets give them these super cool drops that I had to buy the DLC for and run the dungeon over 100 times just to get.

Artjuh90 · February 2016

catalyst10e wrote: »

rozwellite wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Are you a PVE player? Then it doesn't effect you, and if anything just means your party members are stronger...
Are you a PVP player? your bothers and sisters in arms just got stronger, and your competition just got better.

Either way, it doesn't make your set any less valuable to you... so "fair" doesn't really come into it.

I am a pve player and yes it does affect me. Becasue now all those pvp ppl wont be even looking in group finder anymore. So much means even less players to choose from. Which will mean even worst experience when using group finder.

Ask all your pvp friends, if they will be doing any dungeons after the patch? They will say no the only reason I did dungeons was to try for the helm but now I can get the helm here so I might as well farm for ap.

Just like it's horrible to have PVE players in PVP, it's likewise bad to have PVP players in PVE, when you're not doing what you enjoy to do, you put no effort into it. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "I'm just here for vigor/proxy det" and had someone not listening to crown, standing around getting killed and hardly contributing.

Also, it's not like the vendor is just going to have an inventory of ALL the sets, and the pieces are expensive enough that anyone who hasn't been PVPing, probably doesnt have enough AP to buy them, thus making the RNG grind a viable option.

rozwellite wrote: »

Also think about how it will affect pvp. Now you will have even more pve noobs in pvp because they won't be learning to play in a dungeon. But they will all prolly be in the sewers, so don't expect them to be up top helping with keeps.

Playing in a dungeon and playing out int he field is vastly different and require 2 separate skill sets. Any "newbie" with enough gold or AP to buy the set so they can PVP in that gear is ok in my book, my guildmates would be more than happy to show them the ropes and guide them into being great PVP players, but we can't do that with a PVE player whos in PVP for the skill line, and plans to leave afterwards. Theres still the whole undaunted skill line, who's passives are still highly valued by players, I don't see you having trouble finding a group anytime soon. I mean, did you stop PVEing when you got your set?

200k isn't alot... should have been 5 to 10 times more

Sempars · February 2016

I'm Happy for this now my PVP friends will stop bitching cause they suck at PVE and cant get the set . lol

AddictionX · February 2016

Sempars wrote: »

I'm Happy for this now my PVP friends will stop bitching cause they suck at PVE and cant get the set . lol

This.

Sempars · February 2016

Butttttttttt Now my PVE friends are going to start bitching cause they want caltrops but they suck at PVP ugh FML............

Xendyn · February 2016

Sempars wrote: »

Butttttttttt Now my PVE friends are going to start bitching cause they want caltrops but they suck at PVP ugh FML............

No worries, they've slashed the requirements for PVP skill ranks, too.

Waffennacht · February 2016

You be fretting over very little.

At 200k AP, it's not like every player will be able to purchase every peice.

Im pretty savy, and even then (admittedly at worst pvp times) I earned roughly 400k AP in 30 days....

That's two peices for 30 days worth of game play, with no side drops, decon mats, gold etc... for the vast majority of players, it will still be well worth it to run dungeons.

Ill especially be in the PUGger once they NERF my pet build.

AddictionX · February 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

You be fretting over very little.

At 200k AP, it's not like every player will be able to purchase every peice.

Im pretty savy, and even then (admittedly at worst pvp times) I earned roughly 400k AP in 30 days....

That's two peices for 30 days worth of game play, with no side drops, decon mats, gold etc... for the vast majority of players, it will still be well worth it to run dungeons.

Ill especially be in the PUGger once they NERF my pet build.

I want to see pet builds lmao, a zerg of pets by all pets

Egonieser · February 2016

Moglijuana wrote: »

sirrmattus wrote: »

i agree with op. why should we have to pay for dlc that provides these gears, if now you can get them without having the dlc

Limiting gear to DLC is pay to win. The only benefit players should get from DLC is access to new areas/dungeons. THAT'S fair. Everyone should be on a level playing field...Besides, grinding AP is MUCHHHH harder (if your're bad) than doing those lame dungeons no one cares about.

In that case, any DLC/expansion is pay to win because in 99% of other MMO's, it seems to be the norm and publically accepted.
No DLC = No goods, as simple as that.
Either go buy it or sub you scrub :P Stop the entitlement BS.

templesus · February 2016

Sorry PvP doesn't have their own gear, this is there way of giving back and frankly I'm super hyped to finally have 2 piece kena . op need to stop crying , pvpers get nothing let us have this

catalyst10e · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

rozwellite wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Are you a PVE player? Then it doesn't effect you, and if anything just means your party members are stronger...
Are you a PVP player? your bothers and sisters in arms just got stronger, and your competition just got better.

Either way, it doesn't make your set any less valuable to you... so "fair" doesn't really come into it.

I am a pve player and yes it does affect me. Becasue now all those pvp ppl wont be even looking in group finder anymore. So much means even less players to choose from. Which will mean even worst experience when using group finder.

Ask all your pvp friends, if they will be doing any dungeons after the patch? They will say no the only reason I did dungeons was to try for the helm but now I can get the helm here so I might as well farm for ap.

Just like it's horrible to have PVE players in PVP, it's likewise bad to have PVP players in PVE, when you're not doing what you enjoy to do, you put no effort into it. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "I'm just here for vigor/proxy det" and had someone not listening to crown, standing around getting killed and hardly contributing.

Also, it's not like the vendor is just going to have an inventory of ALL the sets, and the pieces are expensive enough that anyone who hasn't been PVPing, probably doesnt have enough AP to buy them, thus making the RNG grind a viable option.

rozwellite wrote: »

Also think about how it will affect pvp. Now you will have even more pve noobs in pvp because they won't be learning to play in a dungeon. But they will all prolly be in the sewers, so don't expect them to be up top helping with keeps.

Playing in a dungeon and playing out int he field is vastly different and require 2 separate skill sets. Any "newbie" with enough gold or AP to buy the set so they can PVP in that gear is ok in my book, my guildmates would be more than happy to show them the ropes and guide them into being great PVP players, but we can't do that with a PVE player whos in PVP for the skill line, and plans to leave afterwards. Theres still the whole undaunted skill line, who's passives are still highly valued by players, I don't see you having trouble finding a group anytime soon. I mean, did you stop PVEing when you got your set?

200k isn't alot... should have been 5 to 10 times more

I knew someone was going to say it wasn't a lot. It's a lot for anyone new just getting into PVP, or anyone not in a PVP guild, or casual PVP players. Veteran PVP players who have had nothing to spend AP on for a while certainly have PLENTY to spend, but I personally feel 200k is a fine hurdle, it's a few days worth of work if you're starting fresh and do nothing but PVP, a month's worth if you're casual, and people like me who have held onto their AP and more-or-less have refused to do the PVE necessary, can now buy them when they appear.

Hope499 · February 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

rozwellite wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Are you a PVE player? Then it doesn't effect you, and if anything just means your party members are stronger...
Are you a PVP player? your bothers and sisters in arms just got stronger, and your competition just got better.

Either way, it doesn't make your set any less valuable to you... so "fair" doesn't really come into it.

I am a pve player and yes it does affect me. Becasue now all those pvp ppl wont be even looking in group finder anymore. So much means even less players to choose from. Which will mean even worst experience when using group finder.

Ask all your pvp friends, if they will be doing any dungeons after the patch? They will say no the only reason I did dungeons was to try for the helm but now I can get the helm here so I might as well farm for ap.

Just like it's horrible to have PVE players in PVP, it's likewise bad to have PVP players in PVE, when you're not doing what you enjoy to do, you put no effort into it. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "I'm just here for vigor/proxy det" and had someone not listening to crown, standing around getting killed and hardly contributing.

Also, it's not like the vendor is just going to have an inventory of ALL the sets, and the pieces are expensive enough that anyone who hasn't been PVPing, probably doesnt have enough AP to buy them, thus making the RNG grind a viable option.

rozwellite wrote: »

Also think about how it will affect pvp. Now you will have even more pve noobs in pvp because they won't be learning to play in a dungeon. But they will all prolly be in the sewers, so don't expect them to be up top helping with keeps.

Playing in a dungeon and playing out int he field is vastly different and require 2 separate skill sets. Any "newbie" with enough gold or AP to buy the set so they can PVP in that gear is ok in my book, my guildmates would be more than happy to show them the ropes and guide them into being great PVP players, but we can't do that with a PVE player whos in PVP for the skill line, and plans to leave afterwards. Theres still the whole undaunted skill line, who's passives are still highly valued by players, I don't see you having trouble finding a group anytime soon. I mean, did you stop PVEing when you got your set?

200k isn't alot... should have been 5 to 10 times more

I think 400k alliance or 200k gold, MINIMUM.

Hope499 · February 2016

catalyst10e wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

rozwellite wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Are you a PVE player? Then it doesn't effect you, and if anything just means your party members are stronger...
Are you a PVP player? your bothers and sisters in arms just got stronger, and your competition just got better.

Either way, it doesn't make your set any less valuable to you... so "fair" doesn't really come into it.

I am a pve player and yes it does affect me. Becasue now all those pvp ppl wont be even looking in group finder anymore. So much means even less players to choose from. Which will mean even worst experience when using group finder.

Ask all your pvp friends, if they will be doing any dungeons after the patch? They will say no the only reason I did dungeons was to try for the helm but now I can get the helm here so I might as well farm for ap.

Just like it's horrible to have PVE players in PVP, it's likewise bad to have PVP players in PVE, when you're not doing what you enjoy to do, you put no effort into it. I can't even count the number of times I've heard "I'm just here for vigor/proxy det" and had someone not listening to crown, standing around getting killed and hardly contributing.

Also, it's not like the vendor is just going to have an inventory of ALL the sets, and the pieces are expensive enough that anyone who hasn't been PVPing, probably doesnt have enough AP to buy them, thus making the RNG grind a viable option.

rozwellite wrote: »

Also think about how it will affect pvp. Now you will have even more pve noobs in pvp because they won't be learning to play in a dungeon. But they will all prolly be in the sewers, so don't expect them to be up top helping with keeps.

Playing in a dungeon and playing out int he field is vastly different and require 2 separate skill sets. Any "newbie" with enough gold or AP to buy the set so they can PVP in that gear is ok in my book, my guildmates would be more than happy to show them the ropes and guide them into being great PVP players, but we can't do that with a PVE player whos in PVP for the skill line, and plans to leave afterwards. Theres still the whole undaunted skill line, who's passives are still highly valued by players, I don't see you having trouble finding a group anytime soon. I mean, did you stop PVEing when you got your set?

200k isn't alot... should have been 5 to 10 times more

I knew someone was going to say it wasn't a lot. It's a lot for anyone new just getting into PVP, or anyone not in a PVP guild, or casual PVP players. Veteran PVP players who have had nothing to spend AP on for a while certainly have PLENTY to spend, but I personally feel 200k is a fine hurdle, it's a few days worth of work if you're starting fresh and do nothing but PVP, a month's worth if you're casual, and people like me who have held onto their AP and more-or-less have refused to do the PVE necessary, can now buy them when they appear.

Really?

Because I am a console player, started maybe a month after release, and dont even have my rank 5 PvP rank (not even Vigor unlocked) and i can afford it twice over....

In gold, i can buy it 20 times.

wtf do you guys spend so much on?????