PTS Discussion: AP needed to get Alliance War skills to 10

Crown · February 2016

You can see http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Alliance_Points for the chart showing how much AP is needed for each alliance rank.

It used to be that Alliance Rank 24 having earned a total of 6,918,400 AP would get you Skill Line 10.

On PTS, My VR16 DK is Alliance Rank 17, and is already Skill Line 10 (with all passives). My level 24 Templar is Alliance Rank 7 and Assault Skill Line 6.

From a few discussions that I've had with players from BwB, we guesstimate that Alliance Rank 13 (having earned a total of 1,040,000 AP) is where Skill Line 10 will be reached.

Would anyone with lower Alliance Rank player please post here with:
1. Toon Name, Level
2. Alliance Rank (including exact number of AP through to the next level)
3. Skill Line Level (including exact number of AP through to the next level)

Example:
Randym, Level 24
Alliance Rank 7 (49,466 / 78,400)
Assault Level 6 (45,067 / 60,000)

I would like to make a new chart showing the new numbers and mappings.

Thanks!

Takllin · February 2016

Nait it's 670k AP, someone posted it in another thread on the forums. Lemme see if I can find it.

It's about rank 11.5 to get skill line 10.

Here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245335/new-ava-skill-line-requirements#latest

Crown · February 2016

670k AP can be made in one day with the doubling of AP gains.

On the one hand it levels the playing field for new people, on the other it doesn't seem like much of an achievement any more.

As I've said many times, the changes they make to the game are to satisfy the 90% (the grand majority of players).

Maseri · February 2016

Not sitting in front of ESO at the moment but I can confirm I have a V16 toon with PvP rank 11 that now has maxed Assault and Support skill lines.

Ghostbane · February 2016

Takllin wrote: »

Nait it's 670k AP, someone posted it in another thread on the forums. Lemme see if I can find it.

It's about rank 11.5 to get skill line 10.

Here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245335/new-ava-skill-line-requirements#latest

RANK 11 TO GET COMBAT FRENZY 2?

Are they gonna increase AP next !?

Takllin · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

670k AP can be made in one day with the doubling of AP gains.

On the one hand it levels the playing field for new people, on the other it doesn't seem like much of an achievement any more.

As I've said many times, the changes they make to the game are to satisfy the 90% (the grand majority of players).

Yeah, the skills I'm kinda meh about.

The passives are a big deal, Combat Frenzy and the Rez Speed. I think they brought it down too much, if they are going to bring it down, make it so you have to reach 18-20 Alliance Rank instead of 11.5.

Crown · February 2016

@Ghostbane AP is being doubled for groups up to 6. See my previous post (#3) above.

BEZDNA · February 2016

i like that change, lvling ava skill line on 8 chars takes forever on live

Takllin · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

@Ghostbane AP is being doubled for groups up to 6. See my previous post (#3) above.

This. It's gonna be insane the Ultimate gains especially with NB passive buff and those new sets...

Ghostbane · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

@Ghostbane AP is being doubled for groups up to 6. See my previous post (#3) above.

I know. I just think its silly on where AP value is being increased, they are reducing the milestones to do with AP in the first place.

Psilent · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

670k AP can be made in one day with the doubling of AP gains.

On the one hand it levels the playing field for new people, on the other it doesn't seem like much of an achievement any more.

As I've said many times, the changes they make to the game are to satisfy the 90% (the grand majority of players).

We live in a society where everyone wants everything right now and doesn't want to work for it. Since ESO's biggest markets are North America and Europe, they are going to cater to this type of mentality to get sales.

This doesn't surprise me one bit. I don't agree with it, but it's the way ESO is heading.

LokoMatic · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

670k AP can be made in one day with the doubling of AP gains.

On the one hand it levels the playing field for new people, on the other it doesn't seem like much of an achievement any more.

As I've said many times, the changes they make to the game are to satisfy the 90% (the grand majority of players).

If this was the case, there would be a removal of AOE caps, as 87% of the total pop voted in its favor.

If players can get Assault rank 10 in 1-2 days, then I will quit this game. Zenimax is like the rich father always giving his complaining daughter things the more she annoys him.

Bfish22090 · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

You can see http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Alliance_Points for the chart showing how much AP is needed for each alliance rank.

It used to be that Alliance Rank 24 having earned a total of 6,918,400 AP would get you Skill Line 10.

On PTS, My VR16 DK is Alliance Rank 17, and is already Skill Line 10 (with all passives). My level 24 Templar is Alliance Rank 7 and Assault Skill Line 6.

From a few discussions that I've had with players from BwB, we guesstimate that Alliance Rank 13 (having earned a total of 1,040,000 AP) is where Skill Line 10 will be reached.

Would anyone with lower Alliance Rank player please post here with:
1. Toon Name, Level
2. Alliance Rank (including exact number of AP through to the next level)
3. Skill Line Level (including exact number of AP through to the next level)

Example:
Randym, Level 24
Alliance Rank 7 (49,466 / 78,400)
Assault Level 6 (45,067 / 60,000)

I would like to make a new chart showing the new numbers and mappings.

Thanks!

the new META will be to re-roll fotm alts because AR is an easy grind now

Crown · February 2016

Bfish22090 wrote: »

the new META will be to re-roll fotm alts because AR is an easy grind now

There's still the 6-7 days /played needed to get to VR16 with all of the lore books, sky shards, main quest skill points in each area, group dungeons, etc.. Though once they remove vet ranks I suppose it'll be less time - and not everyone needs as many skill points..

Ishammael · February 2016

Wow 670k. That is 10x less.

Did not imagine this would happen.

Sallington · February 2016

RIP servers when literally everyone is using caltrops and proxy det.

manny254 · February 2016

1 second kag rez for every magic templar!!!

GorraShatan · February 2016

Yah, I don't mind unlocking the skills earlier, but I wish they kept the curve for each actual alliance rank more or less the same so that the time to get to Rank X now is the same as before, and you had an apples to apples comparison on experience, within reason.

themdogesbite · February 2016

manny254 wrote: »

1 second kag rez for every magic templar!!!

Atleast my argonian templar can be less useless quickly!!!!

smacx250 · February 2016

I've got a vr16 at rank 11 108503/193600, that has now unlocked assault and support lvl 10 54505/4294297296 (think that last number is a bug).

DHale · February 2016

I think a good compromise would be once you have a toon with assault 10 (the current way) you can get it easy mode on successive toon. I earned my vigor and prox and caltrops old school it needs to be earned as did most of you. Don't give these ppl who will be in an out of this game easy stuff. It encourages them to dash in, do everything in five minutes and dash out. This would encourage ppl to level toons as the devs breaks and fixes the classes and abilities.

CatchMeTrolling · February 2016

Wait so what happens if you already are ranked high, let's say praetorian or prefect? Does that mean it boosts you up to a higher pvp rank also?

Crown · February 2016

@smacx250 Thanks - that supports what we've heard from quite a few people. Around AR11 you get Skill Line 10.

@CatchMeTrolling It's only the skill lines that have had their requirements lowered, so you get Skill Line 10 at around Alliance Rank 11 instead of Alliance Rank 24 (as it is now). You still need 64 million AP to get to Alliance Rank 50.

Takllin · February 2016

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Wait so what happens if you already are ranked high, let's say praetorian or prefect? Does that mean it boosts you up to a higher pvp rank also?

No, Alliance Rank stays the same.

It's the Alliance Skill that changed.

Crown · February 2016

New toons / alts / rerolls can now get all of their PvP passives with 1-2 days of play.

This puts it in line with the time/effort required to get most skill lines to max. If you go for achievement runs, you can get Undaunted to max in about a day of time/play. You might not be bale to fence enough to do so all at once, but overall time required to level Legerdemain to max is about 12 hours. Grinding fighter's guild to max with undead/daedra kills takes about 10 hours.

This also ensures that newer players and toons will get the passives putting them on a relatively more even ground with long term players. Everyone can get the same gear, has the same passives, and it's purely a question of skill how well you do.

I can appreciate what they're trying to do, though as someone who has spent a LOT of time in PvP, it feels wrong to give it to everyone in easy mode now. I was expecting to have to play for 2 months to get my DK to Skill Line 10 - now he'll have it already. Even my level 24 templar only needs a few hours of play time to get Skill Line 10 (proxy in BwB is going to be insanely OP).

DimentionzTuba · February 2016

It's officially here, The Time of the Casualls. They won again it seems with all their crying about "Awww, it takes soooo long to get the PvP skills in this game QQ"

Good job ZOS. Now you have truly *** it up

Rylana · February 2016

No words

Malik Battle-Born · February 2016

I hope Zenimax reads this thread and realise what a massive mistake they have made by reducing this by an outrageous amount.

Rust_in_Peace · February 2016

Good news for alts but a 90% nerf is pretty staggering given how long the 6.9 mil required has been around .

Guess this was the easy fix instead of making Alliance ranks account wide or some other change.

Xsorus · February 2016

I'm fine with this

I can safely say the entire time i've played i've never thought to myself "Gee I wonder if they have Alliance Skill 10 yet?"

This will basically make getting Alts up and ready for PvP easier..and making Alts easier to do is one of the best ways to keep a game going in terms of players.

People whining about this just make me laugh...

CatchMeTrolling · February 2016

Crown wrote: »

@smacx250 Thanks - that supports what we've heard from quite a few people. Around AR11 you get Skill Line 10.

@CatchMeTrolling It's only the skill lines that have had their requirements lowered, so you get Skill Line 10 at around Alliance Rank 11 instead of Alliance Rank 24 (as it is now). You still need 64 million AP to get to Alliance Rank 50.

Oh I see @Crown I think they made it way too easy to get to assault ten. 670k is a joke can get that in a day or two lol but I guess it helps for alts