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blur✭✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno Yea sorry but whos bright idea was it to make meteor non-reflectable ? Like this is one of the biggest [leave to your imagination] that you guys have done and it seriously needs to be reflectable again. From my exp of playing PTS all evening and half way through the night all any ultimate any one has used was meteor that's it I can not imagine how bad it will be if it goes live with the zergs and every one can kiss there FR good by.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_Anyone this has got to be fixed before it goes live next month this is a horrible horrible horrible idea and for those whoa re gonna say "L2P" or "Deal with it" maybe you should have learned not to cast it when a DK has wings up or maybe you should have dealt with it you got killed by a skill that was working perfectly fine and was no way broken at all.
Not sure if you missed the tutorial, holding right click is actually "block." While blocking, you take like 2k out of 17k tooltip damage from Ice Comet. With Harness Magicka up or other buffs/sets/CP it will be less.
I can't imagine how you were "playing PTS all evening and half way through the night" and failed to block one single meteor, particularly if it was the only ult being used. Meteor is fine. I find it nauseating that no matter how much ZOS curtails the skillcap for Joe Casual or the carebear, people still find something to whine about ignorantly while trying to facilitate change based on said lack of knowledge.3 -
coolermh✭✭✭People need to relax and see how this plays out on the test server... It many not be as bad as you think. Meteor is literally the most telegraphed ultimate there is and can easily be blocked.-MrHeid625
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✭✭✭✭✭Reflecting meteors was iconic to DKs.. there was memes made of it and everything
Oh humbug. If it was a meme, it was a stupid meme that was emblematic of a nonsensical mechanic.- Meteor is a 200-cost ultimate. Not some cheap spammable ability attack or multi-use ultimate like Overload.
- Meteor is already ridiculously easy to counter. You get a long warning in the form of an audio cue and white dotted circle. You merely have to hold block or dodge roll when you see that warning, and it will barely scratch you. I've rarely died from meteor in PvP (it's more effective as a finisher, when I'm already down on health and drained of stamina), and the reason I don't use meteor in PvP isn't because of the risk of reflection, but because it rarely works against experienced players, regardless of whether they're a DK or some other class. (Dawnbreaker is a far more effective ultimate in PvP.)
- It makes no sense lore-wise, either. It's a meteor from the heavens--you're supposed to reflect that as you would an arrow?
Yes, it's fun for my DK to reflect, but I will step up and agree that it's also ridiculous. And a number of other DKs that I've spoken with agree with this change.Edited by code65536 on February 4, 2016 2:17PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Problem with those two is that only sorcs and nb have them. Should DKs and templars suffer for mistakes in class balance again?Septimus_Magna wrote: »And how about Cloak and Streak?
Both very effective ways to completely negate the Meteor dmg.
Um what class balancing ? DKs and Templars been getting the shaff for the past 4 or 5 updates.0 -
blur✭✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »
Problem with those two is that only sorcs and nb have them. Should DKs and templars suffer for mistakes in class balance again?Septimus_Magna wrote: »And how about Cloak and Streak?
Both very effective ways to completely negate the Meteor dmg.
Um what class balancing ? DKs and Templars been getting the shaff for the past 4 or 5 updates.
Um DKs are top of the food chain. Cut with the parroting of nonsense rhetoric. And now with the PTS changes their damage is absolutely absurd.2 -
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✭Can nb still cloak dodge meteors? Seriously that's more annoying than getting it reflected.
I do think making it non-reflectable is stupid. That's a huge nerf to dk even though they got some nice buffs this patch.Bosmer Stamina NB
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✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »Johngo0036 wrote: »so unlike all other ultimates,
meteor is a guaranteed hit,
You cannot reflect it,
Dodgeroll it,
This is going to be the new meta of OP ultimate that will be used everywhere...
Half the fun is reflecting it back at its owner like all other projectiles...
And how about Cloak and Streak?
Both very effective ways to completely negate the Meteor dmg.
not cloak anymore
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Chadwikid✭✭✭Yes they can. Watched it being tested last night by sypher. Nightblades can still cloak meteor. Either make it so the only way EVERYONE can avoid the damage is by blocking or make it reflectable.1
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✭✭Beyond some of the points already raised. This will make this skill the most used ulti by large groups. When fighting outnumbered enemies they are sure hit, and in even fights the server will turn into a meteor shower.- Mojican0 -
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✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »
Problem with those two is that only sorcs and nb have them. Should DKs and templars suffer for mistakes in class balance again?Septimus_Magna wrote: »And how about Cloak and Streak?
Both very effective ways to completely negate the Meteor dmg.
Um what class balancing ? DKs and Templars been getting the shaff for the past 4 or 5 updates.
Um DKs are top of the food chain. Cut with the parroting of nonsense rhetoric. And now with the PTS changes their damage is absolutely absurd.
What game are you playing DKs haven't been "top of the food chain" since 1.6 what you mean the changes to DOTs that can be purged or the changes to molten armaments that boost magicka users and barely helps out stamina and tank users or the new meteor ?
Dks finally get something going and now every one is screaming nerf. So it's already to bash DKs and scream for nerfs when they get something nice after a year and half of nerfs but not alright to ask for nerfs to NBs when the become a OP META.0 -
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✭✭Beyond some of the points already raised. This will make this skill the most used ulti by large groups. When fighting outnumbered enemies they are sure hit, and in even fights the server will turn into a meteor shower.
Well better have popcorn ready cause Armageddon gonna be showing 24/7. Atleast it has Bruce Willis.0 -
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Problem with those two is that only sorcs and nb have them. Should DKs and templars suffer for mistakes in class balance again?Septimus_Magna wrote: »And how about Cloak and Streak?
Both very effective ways to completely negate the Meteor dmg.
Please... Those are two classes that the Dev's play. Of course they're the ones which can still negate Meteor.
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✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »
Problem with those two is that only sorcs and nb have them. Should DKs and templars suffer for mistakes in class balance again?Septimus_Magna wrote: »And how about Cloak and Streak?
Both very effective ways to completely negate the Meteor dmg.
Um what class balancing ? DKs and Templars been getting the shaff for the past 4 or 5 updates.
Um DKs are top of the food chain. Cut with the parroting of nonsense rhetoric. And now with the PTS changes their damage is absolutely absurd.
What game are you playing DKs haven't been "top of the food chain" since 1.6 what you mean the changes to DOTs that can be purged or the changes to molten armaments that boost magicka users and barely helps out stamina and tank users or the new meteor ?
Dks finally get something going and now every one is screaming nerf. So it's already to bash DKs and scream for nerfs when they get something nice after a year and half of nerfs but not alright to ask for nerfs to NBs when the become a OP META.
the changes to dk were well needed. i see the other point about being at the top though. Currently a stam dk is top in dueling. Also, stam dk have the only ult that scales with physical making their combos ruthless. However, a stam dk mostly relies on weapons and not class. these changes give them more options in class.1 -
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These changes to Meteor are LONG overdue, you actually got this one right, leave it alone.
Meteor is a Ground based AOE with a Knockback it NEVEr should have been reflectable in the first place.
Eruption, Lighting Flood, and Blazing Spear all work just like Meteor do...all of them cause a rock, spear, or lighting bolt to drop from the sky and create an area on the ground that deals damage....Lighting Flood, Eruption, and Blazing Spear were never reflectable....Meteor should never have been either as it functions exactly the same as the other 3 skills it just has a knock back and is an ultimate.
ZOS you got this one right for a change....don't cave....Meteor is easily blocked and can be dodged rolled, it has plenty of viable counters....leave it aloneRinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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Arkraptor✭✭✭Not even Nyz will be able to reflect it? What about Grobull?
Ooohh... Gotta try this.
Btw, as mag NB, I have been blocking meteor, and I'm by no mean a good PvP players (mostly PvE actually). Meteors have never killed me once I learn how to block it (unless it hits another player near me that doesn't block -- but reflect doesn't help with that either). The telegraph is so obvious that it's the one skill I can almost always block.Vokundein
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✭✭Absorb Magic my friends, then purge. Or Cloak or Ball of Lightning.
You're right though, EVERYONE will be using it.PC EU0 -
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✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »Absorb Magic my friends, then purge. Or Cloak or Ball of Lightning.
You're right though, EVERYONE will be using it.
Bingo!!!!!!!
This was the 1st thing i thought when my buddy told me Absorb Magic Absorbs like 15k and converts to health LOL...who needs to reflect!
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he is, but you have a very Little window for it.
not to early and not to late you have to doge, if it lags you can forgett it anyway
you can dodge Shooting Star, but no Ice Comet.0 -
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✭Bfish22090 wrote: »you can still cloak meteor, but i just block it with a purge right after..
this is just a l2p issue
wath do you want to purge?#makemagickadkgreataigan
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on the pts? it catches me in the mid air during the "dodging animation"Edited by AddictionX on February 4, 2016 5:53PM0 -
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✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
These changes to Meteor are LONG overdue, you actually got this one right, leave it alone.
Meteor is a Ground based AOE with a Knockback it NEVEr should have been reflectable in the first place.
Eruption, Lighting Flood, and Blazing Spear all work just like Meteor do...all of them cause a rock, spear, or lighting bolt to drop from the sky and create an area on the ground that deals damage....Lighting Flood, Eruption, and Blazing Spear were never reflectable....Meteor should never have been either as it functions exactly the same as the other 3 skills it just has a knock back and is an ultimate.
ZOS you got this one right for a change....don't cave....Meteor is easily blocked and can be dodged rolled, it has plenty of viable counters....leave it alone
if Meteor is a ground aoe, like well the skills u mentioned, then Meteor SHOULDNT lock on a target and follow it even to oblivion. thats a Projektil and Projektils should be reflectable#makemagickadkgreataigan
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Chadwikid✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
These changes to Meteor are LONG overdue, you actually got this one right, leave it alone.
Meteor is a Ground based AOE with a Knockback it NEVEr should have been reflectable in the first place.
Eruption, Lighting Flood, and Blazing Spear all work just like Meteor do...all of them cause a rock, spear, or lighting bolt to drop from the sky and create an area on the ground that deals damage....Lighting Flood, Eruption, and Blazing Spear were never reflectable....Meteor should never have been either as it functions exactly the same as the other 3 skills it just has a knock back and is an ultimate.
ZOS you got this one right for a change....don't cave....Meteor is easily blocked and can be dodged rolled, it has plenty of viable counters....leave it alone
And then nightblades shouldn't be able to cloak it off by your logic either correct? Not to mention it is a lock on target as stated above therefore it DOES NOT function the same as eruption, blazing spear etc
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✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler
These changes to Meteor are LONG overdue, you actually got this one right, leave it alone.
Meteor is a Ground based AOE with a Knockback it NEVEr should have been reflectable in the first place.
Eruption, Lighting Flood, and Blazing Spear all work just like Meteor do...all of them cause a rock, spear, or lighting bolt to drop from the sky and create an area on the ground that deals damage....Lighting Flood, Eruption, and Blazing Spear were never reflectable....Meteor should never have been either as it functions exactly the same as the other 3 skills it just has a knock back and is an ultimate.
ZOS you got this one right for a change....don't cave....Meteor is easily blocked and can be dodged rolled, it has plenty of viable counters....leave it alone
Then Meteor needs to be a planted AoE and not a single target if ZoS keeps it single target that has splash damage then it needs to be reflectable.
And please stop saying "just block L2P" cause guess what players already figured out around they. From what I been seeing is with the new Meteor META players just cast a block dropping CC such as fear or fossilize causing the player to drop there block and take full damage of the Meteor and block doesn't help much you still receive the DOT and snare of it.
Meteor needs to be reflectable don't trade one OP "I win" META for another ZOS.
Side note DKs come on we finally got buffed don't ruin it with the fossilize spamming. Yes extremely powerful CC but still you know the NBs want to yell at at some one for there changes.0
