Official Feedback Thread for Dragonknights

actosh · February 2016

americansteel wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This is the official feedback thread for the Dragonknight. Please let us know how you feel about the changes we made to this class, if you ran into any bugs, and any other feedback you'd like to give.

was lava whip buffed?

NOPE!

Its still ***, (dmg wise) compared to other classes Instantskills. Still no Stammorph for it

Kova · February 2016

LorDrek wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Awesome, we are the only Class without a usefull execute wich will force us to use either 2 hand, or find another way to burn *** down. U could have done stonefist as a finisher with 2 morphd (stam/Mag) that cant be reflected like meteor, but whatever.

Sad to see there are no real buffs to stam dk´s, so we still are a weaponline user with 1 or 2 classskills.....

Need to test more since this is the first reaction, and provide more detailed feedback then.

Have a nice day

True, sramina dk is now crap.

Not to argue over it, but did you two avoid pvp for the last three months? Stam DK kind of ruled with an iron fist. Also, ALL stamina classes besides stamblades are weapon based builds. There are classes decided by magicka builds and then there is the "stamina class" in which actual class just means what utilities you get with your 2hander/bow/dualwield(i.e. leap, streak, stealth, or...well templar has jabs..I guess...)

I haven't lost a single duel or 1v1 on my stamDK except against better stamDKs. I think the community places too much importance on execute skills and not enough on executing skills.

That being said, I'm sooo happy with the magicka and hybrid dk buffs. There are some great players who stuck with magicka dk and will probably be top shelf in this patch.

actosh · February 2016

True, the ones that played Mag dk effectivly for the last months will be freaking beasts now and I`M HAPPY FOR THEM!
WRECK EM ALL! ^^

Expect incoming NErfcries ^^

Lord_Hev · February 2016

A step in the right direction. Now we just need Dragonblood to be a viable self-heal again + a dmg buff to Flame whip and DK will be balanced as they were in 1.6.

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2016

Targuris wrote: »

Molten weapons should not be a group buff and is incredibly underwhelming. The nice thing about it is that it does open up options for some different builds. Igneous weapons should give a little something extra for the caster, because the group buff really won't help as most builds already have access to major brutality and sorcery. No one will be looking for this buff from the DK and it would be nice to at least get like 20% heavy attack damage or something on the igneous morph.

It was originally a 60 second group buff, and was powerful, but most didn't notice it.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · February 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Targuris wrote: »

Molten weapons should not be a group buff and is incredibly underwhelming. The nice thing about it is that it does open up options for some different builds. Igneous weapons should give a little something extra for the caster, because the group buff really won't help as most builds already have access to major brutality and sorcery. No one will be looking for this buff from the DK and it would be nice to at least get like 20% heavy attack damage or something on the igneous morph.

It was originally a 60 second group buff, and was powerful, but most didn't notice it.

Yep, it's really good. If you have a group that makes use of it, it's basically like this: DK slots one utility skill - 6 others (I suppose it's six anyway) can slot one more defensive/offensive skill without worrying about buffing their damage anymore.

americansteel · February 2016

actosh wrote: »

americansteel wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This is the official feedback thread for the Dragonknight. Please let us know how you feel about the changes we made to this class, if you ran into any bugs, and any other feedback you'd like to give.

was lava whip buffed?

NOPE!

Its still ***, (dmg wise) compared to other classes Instantskills. Still no Stammorph for it

ZoS is destroying ESO

willymchilybily · February 2016

actosh wrote: »

LorDrek wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Awesome, we are the only Class without a usefull execute wich will force us to use either 2 hand, or find another way to burn *** down. U could have done stonefist as a finisher with 2 morphd (stam/Mag) that cant be reflected like meteor, but whatever.

Sad to see there are no real buffs to stam dk´s, so we still are a weaponline user with 1 or 2 classskills.....

Need to test more since this is the first reaction, and provide more detailed feedback then.

Have a nice day

True, sramina dk is now crap.

Expect it to stay crap for the future.
We will never get a Execute, never get a stamwhip, and even Dragonblood will stay *** in pvp for both playstyles.

Dont know what to do with my dk now, since i dont like magicka playstyle that much. Gotta enjoy my betainvite for the other mmo and we all know there will be now major changes to pts, as it has always been

I'd love access to PTS so much. To try out test and you end up complaining because the buff to DK wasnt exactly how you wanted it. such a waste, such a waste.

Might i suggest Dots are looking powerful in theory and remember a stam DK has some of the most potent dots open to them. Unstable flame, axe bleed, and poison injection. With cloak no longer removing dots, shields not ignoring dots, bleeds working as planned so armor mitigation doesnt affect them. oh and purge cost increase....

Might be a nice place to start when you consider the CP set ups that can be done. or just spam qq the OFFICIAL feedback thread with not relevant comments. GG. thats gonna help the dk cause

Alucardo · February 2016

I tested out Valykn Skoria today on a DK. Dropped a meteor, Valykn procced, burning breath, procced again.. god damn. I got DoTs coming out of the wazoo.
The inhale buff was really appreciated, but the non-reflectable meteors wanted me to jump through a window.

Khaos_Bane · February 2016

I absolutely love the changes to the magicka DK. I cannot wait to dust mine off and start playing again.

Armann · February 2016

Fiery Grip:

Extended Chains’ cost reduction and range increase effect is now a baseline effect for Fiery Grip.
This ability and its morphs will now grant you the Major Expedition buff for 2 seconds after casting.

Well it's a start, but I still think Major Expedition would be better on Reflective Scale.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/244260/dk-mobility

Iyas · February 2016

Mag DK is *** strong. Back to hail all mighty mag dk

Tacadrie · February 2016

Enlighten me, you say good magicka DK buff. But what buff?? In pvp maybe but in pve I just see nerf.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · February 2016

Soris wrote: »

One change. "Battle spirit is now exclude health based heals and shields." Here you fixed dragon blood and igneous shield as well as templar shield.

This is the best idea I have ever heard!!!!

Would fix blazing shieild, igneous shield and dragon's blood. @ZOS_GinaBruno please pass this one on! These were the fixes I was looking for for both templar and DK.

Dragon Blood only returns a percentage of your MISSING health so this one got hit really hard with the healing nerf unlike Breath of Life that can bring you to full in 3-4 casts even with the nerf.
Health based damage shields also got nerfed hard because health was nerfed in 1.6 Having battle spirit ignore health based heals and shields is one way to do it.
The other way would just be to make an exception for dragon's blood.

Either way, DK's are supposed to be able to self heal. It is part of the class identity. Please remove nerf on Dragon's blood. The ability is class-defining and not worth slotting in its current state

Khaos_Bane · February 2016

Tacadrie wrote: »

Enlighten me, you say good magicka DK buff. But what buff?? In pvp maybe but in pve I just see nerf.

You cannot be serious....these two alone are incredible

Burning Embers (Searing Strike morph): •Increased the heal at the end of the damage over time to 69/71/73/75% of the total damage inflicted at Ranks I/II/III/IV, from 30/32/34/36%.
•The heal from this morph now applies immediately if it is recast on the same target.

Igneous Weapons (Molten Weapons morph): This morph will now grant you and your allies the Major Brutality buff for 30 seconds, in addition to the Major Sorcery buff.

DKsUnite · February 2016

Iyas wrote: »

Mag DK is *** strong. Back to hail all mighty mag dk

@Iyas im assuming you were testing with duels? coz even on live they are good in duels. It's 1vX where the DK was lacking. I think we gotta wait til live to see how it truly performs in 1vX. My bet is, it behaves exactly the same as it is now because whip and GDB didnt get buffed. Maybe more burst with inhale/prox det could be the savior though? maybe burning embers heal will be enough to sustain?

Ishammael · February 2016

Lord_Hev wrote: »

A step in the right direction. Now we just need Dragonblood to be a viable self-heal again + a dmg buff to Flame whip and DK will be balanced as they were in 1.6.

I don't quite agree.

The burning embers heal is really, really good. Now we have Lava Whip, Inhale, and Embers as sustain heals -- as long as you're attacking. I think that fits DK pretty well. The switch from Physical to Fire damage on Talons is really good, too. I don't think DK "needs" an execute.

The only missing piece I see is miss chance added back to Ash Cloud and make it cast at your feet -- leave Eruption alone as a ranged AoE nuke (pretty good now).

One problem I do see: difficulty of fitting a hard CC on your bar when you use chains. Petrify is just so strong. But it would be hard to fit both petrify and chains on your bar.

I'm planning on doing a detailed write-up in a few days.

Last: Valkyn Skoria is back! Oh booy its back.

NTclaymore · February 2016

I dont think stam DKs are nerfed much. Maybe its just me. Steel tornado has been "nerfed" kinda but not really. StamDKs bows might been nerfed. But 2h and DW doesnt see much change? my builds dont atleast.
my Mag DK however LOVE this! My fav skill of all time Inhale gets buffed! Yes Yes YES!

AddictionX · February 2016

If meteor is not reflectable and its going to stay make it a ground target skill where you can move out of the way and not follow your or at least make it dodgable just like my take flight is. The 3k obsidian shield is kind of something no one should be living with, and the 13 percent of missing hp received from dragons blood thats not even debuffed is also a problem. I've seen whips hit for 5k - 6k on a dk cp will make or break it is also an instant cast with a possible cc.

Chadwikid · February 2016

Meteor is still cloakable watched it being tested last night....

I'll just leave that there

r.jan_emailb16_ESO · February 2016

Tacadrie wrote: »

Enlighten me, you say good magicka DK buff. But what buff?? In pvp maybe but in pve I just see nerf.

Yeah because magicka DK so needs a buff in PvE...

LorDrek · February 2016

NTclaymore wrote: »

I dont think stam DKs are nerfed much. Maybe its just me. Steel tornado has been "nerfed" kinda but not really. StamDKs bows might been nerfed. But 2h and DW doesnt see much change? my builds dont atleast.
my Mag DK however LOVE this! My fav skill of all time Inhale gets buffed! Yes Yes YES!

Not????? you dont play stamina dk!!!!! My heavy attaks with MA 50-70k dmg return stamina now what? Heavy attaks mayby 15-20k, this is total brutal nerf 200%.

AddictionX · February 2016

LorDrek wrote: »

NTclaymore wrote: »

I dont think stam DKs are nerfed much. Maybe its just me. Steel tornado has been "nerfed" kinda but not really. StamDKs bows might been nerfed. But 2h and DW doesnt see much change? my builds dont atleast.
my Mag DK however LOVE this! My fav skill of all time Inhale gets buffed! Yes Yes YES!

Not????? you dont play stamina dk!!!!! My heavy attaks with MA 50-70k dmg return stamina now what? Heavy attaks mayby 15-20k, this is total brutal nerf 200%.

So we we're forced to use mostly weapon skills anyone can use and build towards, yet we still cannot reliably use our dk skills which im sure more of us would love to use but the nerf to reflective scales takes the skill out of a stam dk, igneous shield for increase heals nerf is ok but the 3k shield for 20k hp is sad.

Tonnopesce · February 2016

LorDrek wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Awesome, we are the only Class without a usefull execute wich will force us to use either 2 hand, or find another way to burn *** down. U could have done stonefist as a finisher with 2 morphd (stam/Mag) that cant be reflected like meteor, but whatever.

Sad to see there are no real buffs to stam dk´s, so we still are a weaponline user with 1 or 2 classskills.....

Need to test more since this is the first reaction, and provide more detailed feedback then.

Have a nice day

True, sramina dk is now crap.

Want buffs???? stam dk was already the KINGS of PVP and you want them buffed? really????

LorDrek · February 2016

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

LorDrek wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Awesome, we are the only Class without a usefull execute wich will force us to use either 2 hand, or find another way to burn *** down. U could have done stonefist as a finisher with 2 morphd (stam/Mag) that cant be reflected like meteor, but whatever.

Sad to see there are no real buffs to stam dk´s, so we still are a weaponline user with 1 or 2 classskills.....

Need to test more since this is the first reaction, and provide more detailed feedback then.

Have a nice day

True, sramina dk is now crap.

Want buffs???? stam dk was already the KINGS of PVP and you want them buffed? really????

I dont play pvp zergs, i play pve. Pvp only destroy dk.

Stalwart385 · February 2016

Kova wrote: »

LorDrek wrote: »

actosh wrote: »

Awesome, we are the only Class without a usefull execute wich will force us to use either 2 hand, or find another way to burn *** down. U could have done stonefist as a finisher with 2 morphd (stam/Mag) that cant be reflected like meteor, but whatever.

Sad to see there are no real buffs to stam dk´s, so we still are a weaponline user with 1 or 2 classskills.....

Need to test more since this is the first reaction, and provide more detailed feedback then.

Have a nice day

True, sramina dk is now crap.

Not to argue over it, but did you two avoid pvp for the last three months? Stam DK kind of ruled with an iron fist. Also, ALL stamina classes besides stamblades are weapon based builds. There are classes decided by magicka builds and then there is the "stamina class" in which actual class just means what utilities you get with your 2hander/bow/dualwield(i.e. leap, streak, stealth, or...well templar has jabs..I guess...)

I haven't lost a single duel or 1v1 on my stamDK except against better stamDKs. I think the community places too much importance on execute skills and not enough on executing skills.

That being said, I'm sooo happy with the magicka and hybrid dk buffs. There are some great players who stuck with magicka dk and will probably be top shelf in this patch.

Agree, every stam build is based on weapon lines and 1-2 class skills. Stam DK also has a lot of functioning magicka class skills that don't rely on scaling (spiked armor, talons cc, petrify, chains, etc). The magicka DK meanwhile suffers without support skills that improve with their magicka/spell damage. Particularly a heal. They are fine damage wise which is why they do good in PvE.

The burning embers morph looks nice but it is not an immediate self heal, requires a melee target and requires proper timing. There is a lot to go wrong in there. For example, what happens if your opponent opens with a hard burst and you had only 1-2 ticks? They should have just fixed dragon blood instead of burying it deeper.

Ruben · February 2016

LorDrek wrote: »

NTclaymore wrote: »

I dont think stam DKs are nerfed much. Maybe its just me. Steel tornado has been "nerfed" kinda but not really. StamDKs bows might been nerfed. But 2h and DW doesnt see much change? my builds dont atleast.
my Mag DK however LOVE this! My fav skill of all time Inhale gets buffed! Yes Yes YES!

Not????? you dont play stamina dk!!!!! My heavy attaks with MA 50-70k dmg return stamina now what? Heavy attaks mayby 15-20k, this is total brutal nerf 200%.

You did 70k with a heavy attack and now you do 20k? Or are you talking about 70k stamina return on a heavy attack?

BuggeX · February 2016

Enlighten me, you say good magicka DK buff. But what buff?? In pvp maybe but in pve I just see nerf.

magicka dk was allready the top class in pvp, well for Group content

LorDrek · February 2016

Ruben wrote: »

LorDrek wrote: »

NTclaymore wrote: »

I dont think stam DKs are nerfed much. Maybe its just me. Steel tornado has been "nerfed" kinda but not really. StamDKs bows might been nerfed. But 2h and DW doesnt see much change? my builds dont atleast.
my Mag DK however LOVE this! My fav skill of all time Inhale gets buffed! Yes Yes YES!

Not????? you dont play stamina dk!!!!! My heavy attaks with MA 50-70k dmg return stamina now what? Heavy attaks mayby 15-20k, this is total brutal nerf 200%.

You did 70k with a heavy attack and now you do 20k? Or are you talking about 70k stamina return on a heavy attack?

Now give you MA on heavy attaks when boss health low 25% with 2h 50-70 dmg, no return stamina,

remilafo · February 2016

Omg yes.. thank you for these patch notes.. i really do love all the changes..

Some feedback:
- Excellent PvE update and i think everyone here is happy. Well except maybe templars but BoL needs a nerf it's true.
- Stamina Builds didn't get much of anything except a indirect nerf via the revised CP system but the new stam sets are amazing.
- Alot of the PvPers are really unhappy but we all know pvp players are are the loudest. Hopefully those cyrodil improvements will be awesome.

Overall good patch notes. Keep up good work..