Thx for great templar changes

Morathras · February 2016

... nah they are ***.
pls let me change my class and keep my achivements.
sincerly,
a shitplar player

Iove · February 2016

Apparently all the other classes need to be just as good at healing, although we are the only ones with our own healing skill line. Ok then...........

Lucky28 · February 2016

Blame @FENGRUSH tsk tsk

Jura23 · February 2016

They did some good changes too. Jabs should be better now unless they revoke the change after ppl complaining on PTS for it being OP, lol.

FENGRUSH · February 2016

Lucky28 wrote: »

Blame @FENGRUSH tsk tsk

reported for naming and shaming

Iove · February 2016

I hope this doesn't go ahead. That's the only hope I have left. Or I just can't play this game anymore.

SirDopey · February 2016

He still won't be about to 1 v 2 templars. But yes, the guy is a terrible voice for the community and the game would definitely be in a better place without his complaining, at least he'll no longer be able to exploit the Kena set, I guess it'll be back to WB spamming for that sorc....

Praeficere · February 2016

The BoL change is perfectly acceptable.

gw2only1b14_ESO · February 2016

Actually Oddly it may help me a bit..........Opps I woke up

MissBizz · February 2016

Jura23 wrote: »

They did some good changes too. Jabs should be better now unless they revoke the change after ppl complaining on PTS for it being OP, lol.

Yeah, to be honest, they could have just removed the knockback (therefore removing the CC immunity) and I would have called it a buff. lol. Didn't need a snare but thanks, I'll take it!

Iove wrote: »

Apparently all the other classes need to be just as good at healing, although we are the only ones with our own healing skill line. Ok then...........

Exactly.

Iove · February 2016

Praeficere wrote: »

The BoL change is perfectly acceptable.

It's not a change, it's a nerf. A change would be if something was added but something taken away. This is just something taken away.

It's not the first nerf. I really don't see how we are always meant to accept it..?

KingYogi415 · February 2016

WHAT CHANGES WERE?

PLEASE LINK??

JD2013 · February 2016

xerasia · February 2016

*quivering chin*
The only character I love and play just got werkt. Aw man.

That said there's a lot of other things I'm really excited about! Guess it's time to roll my orc dk character I've been thinking of creating.

Pass tissues. I am le cry.

Flak · February 2016

I don't think the BoL Nerf is really the problem, it was a major design flaw to make one class have a pure Healing Skilltree and on top of that Templar players were treated rly bad lately ( 1 year+ for skillfixes!).
If Templars would have more skills to DD or Tank I think no-one would mind this change and tbh BoL was and still is OP.

Zheg · February 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Blame @FENGRUSH tsk tsk

reported for naming and shaming

Shaming? I only see naming. Unless, you admit calling for nerfs to BoL is something only a baddie would do?

Praeficere · February 2016

Iove wrote: »

It's not a change, it's a nerf. A change would be if something was added but something taken away. This is just something taken away.

It's not the first nerf. I really don't see how we are always meant to accept it..?

Do you disagree on the healing ability of a Templar with the BoL change - which does not reduce their capability in PvE at all and encourages a more active playstyle( For PvP is a welcome adjustment), or are you stuck only on the principle of it being "another nerf"?

Iove · February 2016

Praeficere wrote: »

Iove wrote: »

It's not a change, it's a nerf. A change would be if something was added but something taken away. This is just something taken away.

It's not the first nerf. I really don't see how we are always meant to accept it..?

Do you disagree on the healing ability of a Templar with the BoL change - which does not reduce their capability in PvE at all and encourages a more active playstyle( For PvP is a welcome adjustment), or are you stuck only the principle of it being "another nerf"?

It does reduce the capability is PvE though! It will also reduce Templar healers ability to support cause now we will have to spend even more time spamming BoL! Also reduces our dps while healing and GET THIS, also actually reduces our Healing! Usually we could heal 3 targets and now it's gonna be 2. You don't have to be a genius to work out that that is less healing!

Zheg · February 2016

Praeficere wrote: »

Iove wrote: »

It's not a change, it's a nerf. A change would be if something was added but something taken away. This is just something taken away.

It's not the first nerf. I really don't see how we are always meant to accept it..?

Do you disagree on the healing ability of a Templar with the BoL change - which does not reduce their capability in PvE at all and encourages a more active playstyle( For PvP is a welcome adjustment), or are you stuck only on the principle of it being "another nerf"?

Wrong. The passive change to purify/channeled focus means healing is LESS active playstyle and LESS complicated. Now it's just going to be more BoL spam to make up for the nerf that makes it hit one less person. Don't feel bad though, looks like wrobel is just as clueless.

Edit: actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I thought major mending was healing received, which means only the templar benefits. Wracking my brain, now I'm wondering if it's healing DONE, in which case it doesn't change anything on this front and I was wrong.

Iove · February 2016

Zheg wrote: »

Praeficere wrote: »

Iove wrote: »

It's not a change, it's a nerf. A change would be if something was added but something taken away. This is just something taken away.

It's not the first nerf. I really don't see how we are always meant to accept it..?

Do you disagree on the healing ability of a Templar with the BoL change - which does not reduce their capability in PvE at all and encourages a more active playstyle( For PvP is a welcome adjustment), or are you stuck only on the principle of it being "another nerf"?

Wrong. The passive change to purify/channeled focus means healing is LESS active playstyle and LESS complicated. Now it's just going to be more BoL spam to make up for the nerf that makes it hit one less person. Don't feel bad though, looks like wrobel is just as clueless.

Exactly, now we will have to spam BoL even more, and I actually do not want that!

tplink3r1 · February 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

Blame @FENGRUSH tsk tsk

reported for naming and shaming

You are so cool, can i be your friend?

bikerangelo · February 2016

For one templar by himself, it really doesn't matter, but when was the last time templar healers ran around solo in Cyrodiil?

I'm disappointed they caved in and made yet another band-aid fix to appease the ever elite dps classes whose cries are louder than pretty much anyone else, but it happened. Also...

Praeficere · February 2016

@Iove

Tell me, how do you think DKs, NBs and the rare Sorc healers, heal and support their team? A combination of class and non-class abilities to directly aid their team and reduce the effectiveness of enemies, as would also a good Templar healer.

The reduced number of targets healed by one class-specific ability -- which will still be a strong NON-targeted/aimed heal in no way makes that class poor healers.

Templars have always been chosen in PvE not for BoL, but for their utility in Repentance, Shards, Nova and sometimes, Purifying Ritual. BoL is as it should, an emergency heal to partially negate an unexpected situation to work in tandem with other abilities OR to top off a low member. Saying you have to BoL spam more.. makes me wonder if you've looked outside of your Restoring Light line and actually explored being a supportive member of your group.

Healing Ritual has an interesting change, 25% reduction in cast time. This would work better as a pre-emptive heal, a good and smart player should be able to use this to a decent effect (around the same as the BoLs as you do anyway.) Barrier, Bone Shield, Regeneration, Grand Healing applied every so often as passive healing, Healing Orbs (if not magicka orbs), Combat Prayer (A good-enough heal, requires GOOD positioning and provides a much desired damage buff) to name some I use on my DK healer... Oh I hope you use Elemental Drain at least if you have Magicka group members able to make good use of it...

And we? Who is that? You? I play a Magicka Templar regularly and am in full support of the majority of these changes. Please, don't tell me you liked being a "Healer" by spamming Sweep and BoL?

Iove · February 2016

Praeficere wrote: »

@Iove

Tell me, how do you think DKs, NBs and the rare Sorc healers, heal and support their team? A combination of class and non-class abilities to directly aid their team and reduce the effectiveness of enemies, as would also a good Templar healer.

The reduced number of targets healed by one class-specific ability -- which will still be a strong NON-targeted/aimed heal in no way makes that class poor healers.

Templars have always been chosen in PvE not for BoL, but for their utility in Repentance, Shards, Nova and sometimes, Purifying Ritual. BoL is as it should, an emergency heal to partially negate an unexpected situation to work in tandem with other abilities OR to top off a low member. Saying you have to BoL spam more.. makes me wonder if you've looked outside of your Restoring Light line and actually explored being a supportive member of your group.

Healing Ritual has an interesting change, 25% reduction in cast time. This would work better as a pre-emptive heal, a good and smart player should be able to use this to a decent effect (around the same as the BoLs as you do anyway.) Barrier, Bone Shield, Regeneration, Grand Healing applied every so often as passive healing, Healing Orbs (if not magicka orbs), Combat Prayer (A good-enough heal, requires GOOD positioning and provides a much desired damage buff) to name some I use on my DK healer... Oh I hope you use Elemental Drain at least if you have Magicka group members able to make good use of it...

And we? Who is that? You? I play a Magicka Templar regularly and am in full support of the majority of these changes. Please, don't tell me you liked being a "Healer" by spamming Sweep and BoL?

I provide utility as much as I can ofc. Why did you assume not?

I just think the healing part is now going to take more time and that sucks, majorly. Because I don't think anything was wrong with BoL before.

No offence, but you seem to not have thought of the actual consequences. Healing ritual also, is still not viable.

Praeficere · February 2016

bikerangelo wrote: »

For one templar by himself, it really doesn't matter, but when was the last time templar healers ran around solo in Cyrodiil?

I'm disappointed they caved in and made yet another band-aid fix to appease the ever elite dps classes whose cries are louder than pretty much anyone else, but it happened.

I believe ZOS' goal with the changes was not for Cyrodiil specifically, but rather to encourage a more active and meaningful playstyle by looking for options outside of one skill.

How it turns out, we shall see. Expect a lot of complaining however.

Iove · February 2016

Praeficere wrote: »

bikerangelo wrote: »

For one templar by himself, it really doesn't matter, but when was the last time templar healers ran around solo in Cyrodiil?

I'm disappointed they caved in and made yet another band-aid fix to appease the ever elite dps classes whose cries are louder than pretty much anyone else, but it happened.

I believe ZOS' goal with the changes was not for Cyrodiil specifically, but rather to encourage a more active and meaningful playstyle by looking for options outside of one skill.
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Well they failed again didn't they? It's still the only burst, instant smart heal in the game! Besides removing it, it will always be important! And the PvPers were the only ones complaining about BoL so if it's not a nerf for PvP, why even do we need it? Fml

wayfarerx · February 2016

Praeficere wrote: »

bikerangelo wrote: »

For one templar by himself, it really doesn't matter, but when was the last time templar healers ran around solo in Cyrodiil?

I'm disappointed they caved in and made yet another band-aid fix to appease the ever elite dps classes whose cries are louder than pretty much anyone else, but it happened.

I believe ZOS' goal with the changes was not for Cyrodiil specifically,but rather to encourage a more active and meaningful playstyle by looking for options outside of one skill.

How it turns out, we shall see. Expect a lot of complaining however.

Well, all they changed was now we have to spam BoL even more if things suddenly go south for a group. I guess that's technically more active, but I fail to see how it's more meaningful.

code65536 · February 2016

Iove wrote: »

Apparently all the other classes need to be just as good at healing, although we are the only ones with our own healing skill line. Ok then...........

Nightblade healers' bread-and-butter Funnel Health is going to get the same only-one-additional-target nerf.

Krycek89 · February 2016

Praeficere wrote: »

@Iove

Tell me, how do you think DKs, NBs and the rare Sorc healers, heal and support their team? A combination of class and non-class abilities to directly aid their team and reduce the effectiveness of enemies, as would also a good Templar healer.

So your telling me as the ONLY class that was designed with healing in mind- should be on the same page as a a skill line available to ALL classes, and that its not fair that templar heals should be better than a generic skill line? Sure ok we can do that - but then cut the crappy nerfs that makes templars *** poor dps and tanks in comparison. fair ? i think not

Praeficere · February 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

Well, all they changed was now we have to spam BoL even more if things suddenly go south for a group. I guess that's technically more active, but I fail to see how it's more meaningful.

To be fair, there is no direct equivalent to BoL on a DK Healer, yet nothing is really spammed unless it's a Trial.

azoriangaming · February 2016

see I don't know how to feel over this due to in pvp BoL defo needed a nerf but I do templar tank healing in pve dungeons and due to the nerf I'm unsure if I'll be able to do that anymore which makes me sad.