Simple solution for PvEing in Cyrodiil

Enodoc · February 2016

Asherons_Call wrote: »

A more simple solution is to play at 4am on a campaign dominated by your faction

Still hoping for the day when these will no longer exist...

Milvan · February 2016

Some people find a "turist guide" from the enemy faction before questing on their territory. If they are polite, I let them do their job.

kirk_lewis_ESO · February 2016

The only thing that would fix this is an instance for just pve with just npcs fighting for Cyrodiil. Current Cyrodiil is black Friday on steroids. Avoid if you hate being handled.

Hope499 · February 2016

Xerosus wrote: »

Maybe add something that lets you flag yourself as non hostile towards other players. You can't damage them and vice versa. Also, once you flag yourself as non hostile, you can't change mid campaign, you'd have to leave and queue up again.

You would not be able to gain alliance war points while doing so and you wouldn't be able to assist in capturing keeps, farms, etc. You are literally limited to PvE quests.

No...

How about stay out of PvP you want to play quests...

There are THOUSANDS (yes, thousands) Better and more enjoyable quests EVERYWHERE ELSE.

Why come to the ONE part of the map that is PvP???

This is so weird...are people just looking for reasons to complain? Or is this a real concern for people?? Not doing *** crydil quests because other players attack them in a Pvp area? The ONLY PvP area of the game?!?!?!?!?!!?

DONT GO TO CRYODIL IF YOU DONT WANT TO PVP, EASY.

No Flagging white, do ghost mode, no "no aggro" mode.

So silly....

Alucardo · February 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

I had a suggestion a bit like this; it would involve ZOS input, but the idea was to set a toggle switch that would set your "enemy glow" to yellow (instead of the standard red). To discourage the people who would kill you solely because you were an easy target (we'll call them "griefers"), they would get no AP for the kill. (To avoid exploits, anyone with the toggle on would not be able to initiate PvP attacks, only defend. Cannot change toggle state while in Cyrodiil.)

I leave grinders alone unless they want to be a hero and attack me first. If I saw someone with a yellow outline I'd follow them around and kill them endlessly for attempting to "opt-out" of PVP in a PVP zone until they throw their computer at the wall. Trust me, it's safer if they just do whatever they're doing now.

OK so that's a "Yes" to the question above then

Lol I just scrolled up and checked. Good one xD

Milvan · February 2016

Hope499 wrote: »

DONT GO TO CRYODIL IF YOU DONT WANT TO PVP, EASY.

This.

Wollust · February 2016

i don't get why people want to do quests in Cyrodiil but then expect to be able to talk their way out of PvP. It's a PvP area. Either you fight back or you just die. But don't come here and ask for changes for the only PvP zone in this game. There is more than enough PvE zones and quests and whatever else.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

ZOS needs to have a faction based PvE only Cyrodil....there is no other way around this.

Sorry....too naive

wolfydog · February 2016

I can't speak for everyone, but I cleared all the towns in Cyrodiil over 3 playing sessions on different days and I think I saw one enemy player the entire time and neither of us attacked eachother cause we just wanted to get our stuff done. I've also been soloing a bunch of delves lately and a couple times I've snuck pass enemy players and a couple times we just ignored eachother and went about our business.

Just pick a campaign favorable to your faction or ones with low player counts on other factions. I am playing prime time on the west coasts, so many east coasters maybe out of the game by then, but its not like the middle of the night for everyone.

Enodoc · February 2016

Wollust wrote: »

i don't get why people want to do quests in Cyrodiil but then expect to be able to talk their way out of PvP. It's a PvP area. Either you fight back or you just die. But don't come here and ask for changes for the only PvP zone in this game. There is more than enough PvE zones and quests and whatever else.

If I present to you a "lore reason":
There are some people who don't care for the war, who just want to enter Cyrodiil as a neutral adventurer, and not an alliance soldier. Neutral people exist in Cyrodiil - just look at all the NPCs in the towns, and the Fighters Guild quest-giver in the inn. Why can't players be neutral as well?

bikerangelo · February 2016

Here are my simple solutions.

Go with a group
Bring a battle buddy
Use invisible pots to avoid "gankers"
Start conversations with other faction players questing in the same area
Don't attack them and they may not attack you
Don't try to sneak past them. If you're spotted, they'll think you're a ganker and try to kill you
If you die, big deal, endure the horse ride and go back to where you left off
Don't come on the forums complaining about getting killed by players while in a pvp zone, you're taking a risk for a marginal amount of xp you can get elsewhere
Or, don't even go to Cyrodiil

If you want the skyshards, xp or whatever, that's fine, go ahead and take the risk of potentially getting killed over and over again. If you don't, fine, but please don't ask ZOS to hold your hand.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

i don't get why people want to do quests in Cyrodiil but then expect to be able to talk their way out of PvP. It's a PvP area. Either you fight back or you just die. But don't come here and ask for changes for the only PvP zone in this game. There is more than enough PvE zones and quests and whatever else.

If I present to you a "lore reason":
There are some people who don't care for the war, who just want to enter Cyrodiil as a neutral adventurer, and not an alliance soldier. Neutral people exist in Cyrodiil - just look at all the NPCs in the towns, and the Fighters Guild quest-giver in the inn. Why can't players be neutral as well?

THIS!!!

Slylok · February 2016

Some would some wouldnt. Some would pretend to and then jump you anyway.

Cyrodil probably could have been made into a tiered zone.. Center is crazy pvp everywhere. Middle is PvP but if you attack a lawful person you are marked on the map to that faction. Outskirts are PvE.

Or let players wear a Peace tabard. Cant be equipped or removed in combat or within 5 minutes of being in combat.

Knootewoot · February 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

i don't get why people want to do quests in Cyrodiil but then expect to be able to talk their way out of PvP. It's a PvP area. Either you fight back or you just die. But don't come here and ask for changes for the only PvP zone in this game. There is more than enough PvE zones and quests and whatever else.

If I present to you a "lore reason":
There are some people who don't care for the war, who just want to enter Cyrodiil as a neutral adventurer, and not an alliance soldier. Neutral people exist in Cyrodiil - just look at all the NPCs in the towns, and the Fighters Guild quest-giver in the inn. Why can't players be neutral as well?

THIS!!!

You, and your friend, may enter Cyrodill neutral. I also attack neutral people. It is a warzone (ie PvP zone). Don't enter it if you don't want to fight.

Do you think a "neutral" adventurer would be left alone on Omaha beach?

petraeus1 · February 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

i don't get why people want to do quests in Cyrodiil but then expect to be able to talk their way out of PvP. It's a PvP area. Either you fight back or you just die. But don't come here and ask for changes for the only PvP zone in this game. There is more than enough PvE zones and quests and whatever else.

If I present to you a "lore reason":
There are some people who don't care for the war, who just want to enter Cyrodiil as a neutral adventurer, and not an alliance soldier. Neutral people exist in Cyrodiil - just look at all the NPCs in the towns, and the Fighters Guild quest-giver in the inn. Why can't players be neutral as well?

There are also many people who would love to conquer Wayrest and kick the Bretons' butts in the Ocean, or not have to bother with PvE to be able to be effective in PvP: why can't all zones have PvP enabled?

I'm not being serious of course. I'd just like to know why every piece of content should be available to everyone the way they like. It's not feasible. Why can't I solo trials? Why can't I play the main story with two players? Why is there a Thieves' Guild but not no option to join the Iron Wheel?

You know what I mean? I'm not saying those requests aren't legitimate, it's just ZOS can't do it all. PvP players are rightly afraid of an influx of PvE players who don't wanna PvP if a flagging system is implemented (especially with the current performance issues and population caps), and of abuse of such a system. They're also kinda fed up with being called out regularly because they just play the game they wanna play: ESO PvP. But when they get the wrong guy, they are griefers, annoying, w/e.

Moreover, Brian Wheeler already discussed on ESO Live it's not even feasible to make a separate campaign with no guards or no AOE caps, as that would require setting up an entirely different set of servers and rewriting the ruleset.

JD2013 · February 2016

There's no neutrality in a war zone.

Hope499 · February 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

i don't get why people want to do quests in Cyrodiil but then expect to be able to talk their way out of PvP. It's a PvP area. Either you fight back or you just die. But don't come here and ask for changes for the only PvP zone in this game. There is more than enough PvE zones and quests and whatever else.

If I present to you a "lore reason":
There are some people who don't care for the war, who just want to enter Cyrodiil as a neutral adventurer, and not an alliance soldier. Neutral people exist in Cyrodiil - just look at all the NPCs in the towns, and the Fighters Guild quest-giver in the inn. Why can't players be neutral as well?

I am sure that works well in all wars, right?

A USA soldier would walk right up

Knootewoot wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

i don't get why people want to do quests in Cyrodiil but then expect to be able to talk their way out of PvP. It's a PvP area. Either you fight back or you just die. But don't come here and ask for changes for the only PvP zone in this game. There is more than enough PvE zones and quests and whatever else.

If I present to you a "lore reason":
There are some people who don't care for the war, who just want to enter Cyrodiil as a neutral adventurer, and not an alliance soldier. Neutral people exist in Cyrodiil - just look at all the NPCs in the towns, and the Fighters Guild quest-giver in the inn. Why can't players be neutral as well?

THIS!!!

You, and your friend, may enter Cyrodill neutral. I also attack neutral people. It is a warzone (ie PvP zone). Don't enter it if you don't want to fight.

Do you think a "neutral" adventurer would be left alone on Omaha beach?

Or a US Soldier/Jewish civilian walked up to a *** in war time Germany, But he had a white shirt on so its OKAY!

No...not how war works...dont use that as a reason, it is beyond silly.

Malmai · February 2016

bsupino wrote: »

Most people complain about getting ganked while questing in Cyrodiil. Personally I don't mind, since a surprise PvP breaks the monotony of questing, but most people think otherwise.
A suggestion for PvE exlcusive players, that we don't even need ZoS to implement, is establish something like the "white banner" concept. We define a specific color set, White for example, and whenever we see a player in questing zones wearing a full white set we avoid attacking, simple as that.
Of course that wouldn't work in Sewers or Seaged castles, etc, for obvious reason.
Am I to naive thinking people would respect something like this?

LAG

Detector · February 2016

bsupino wrote: »

Most people complain about getting ganked while questing in Cyrodiil. Personally I don't mind, since a surprise PvP breaks the monotony of questing, but most people think otherwise.
A suggestion for PvE exlcusive players, that we don't even need ZoS to implement, is establish something like the "white banner" concept. We define a specific color set, White for example, and whenever we see a player in questing zones wearing a full white set we avoid attacking, simple as that.
Of course that wouldn't work in Sewers or Seaged castles, etc, for obvious reason.
Am I to naive thinking people would respect something like this?

Noobs must will be dead. "Only PvE-players" - go away from pvp-zones or die. The End.

Enodoc · February 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

There's no neutrality in a war zone.

What about those poor buggers in Chorrol or Vlastarus? They're neutral.

Divinius · February 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

Hope499 wrote: »

Never in 100000000 years would it work.

In fact, the more you tried, the more other people would come out of the woodwork to stop you, and troll you, and make sure you never quested again.

Why? Are people really such big jerks?

Are you new here?

Yes, people really are such big jerks. There are PvP players out there that don't care about AP, or XP, or anything other than just making other people's lives as miserable as possible. They are called griefers, and the internet is full of them.

Enodoc wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

A more simple solution is to play at 4am on a campaign dominated by your faction

Still hoping for the day when these will no longer exist...

When what will no longer exist? Campaigns dominated by your faction?

Roll a DC character. I guarantee you'll never have a campaign dominated by your faction.

Lenikus · February 2016

I don't kill people who are questing because I want to get AP.
I don't gank people while they chat with NPCs because i want to mock them.
I murder people who don't stand a chance of fighting back purely because i enjoy it.

I'd still kill you even if i had to Pay AP. My entertainment is worth it.

laksikus · February 2016

if i see any noobs wihtout an alliance rank i always go up to them and wait for what they do.
if they attack me i nuke them without mercy, if the yrun away i mark them to see them run even faster^^ (and dont kill them)

Desimator · February 2016

This issue is one that Zos created when they introduced the fastest PvE daily quests in the game into a PvP zone the quests for cropsford Burma etc take 25 mins to finish earning about 150K exp roughly now if you want to burn through enlightenment at v16 this is by far the fastest method when the regular zones start to scale like Wrothger then this will be less of an issue an exp for kills in any of the currently 12 vet zones should be the same welcome back all the grind spots you used to get to V16 in the first place

catalyst10e · February 2016

laksikus wrote: »

if i see any noobs wihtout an alliance rank i always go up to them and wait for what they do.
if they attack me i nuke them without mercy, if the yrun away i mark them to see them run even faster^^ (and dont kill them)

The other night, I saw a low level EP doing the emote where he was waving his hands in the air for help. I decided to go check it out. (I would have legitimately helped and made sure my guildmates didnt kill them) Soon as I get there his weapons were drawn and I was being pelted with arrows from someone I couldnt see behind him. It was doing little to no damage, so I stood there for a bit to see what he planned to do about it. I guess he got tired of me standing there so he attacked.... I killed him, killed his friend, and a third who came out of stealth to help his friends... a 4th appeared, clapped, and saluted, so I gave him a salute, watched him res the fallen, and I went about my way.

Sometimes the low rank/low level doesn't mean they wont still try to jump you I guess... lol

Magdalina · February 2016

bsupino wrote: »

Most people complain about getting ganked while questing in Cyrodiil. Personally I don't mind, since a surprise PvP breaks the monotony of questing, but most people think otherwise.
A suggestion for PvE exlcusive players, that we don't even need ZoS to implement, is establish something like the "white banner" concept. We define a specific color set, White for example, and whenever we see a player in questing zones wearing a full white set we avoid attacking, simple as that.
Of course that wouldn't work in Sewers or Seaged castles, etc, for obvious reason.
Am I to naive thinking people would respect something like this?

I'm afraid it won't help. Thing is you can already tell people questing - I mean it's not hard to figure if a person is talking to NPCs in Bruma he's prooooobably not looking for PvP, same in IC usually. From there there're 2 ways to go - some people will stop and not touch those who didn't come there to fight(that's what I usually do, I've even helped members of other alliances kill mobs in IC a few times, that was kind of cute actually. I could tell they were really scared I'd kill them but I helped instead

) because they see no fun/glory in fighting/defeating someone like that, others will see bull's eye for a wide variety of reasons; I used to think it's purely the "griefing" mentality but seeing some people I know and respect do that too I kind of changed my mind I guess. Some people seem to do it just because it's a PvP zone and technically you accept the risk when you enter it; the idea of "damn PvEing PvEers in our PvP zone" seems to aggravate some, especially considering how neglected PvP seems compared to PvE. Some are just looking for a fight, they might even leave you alone if you fail to fight back.

Basically, type #1 will leave you alone as it is, and type #2 won't leave you alone anyway. Personally I'm usually type #1. I tried fighting down in the Sewers but I just feel bad killing poor PvP newbies>.>

Another thing I'd like to mention that might be a bit off topic - it's not just PvPers that try to pick up a fight where none is looked for. To my greatest surprise PvEers do that too even when I clearly try to leave them alone for reasons stated above. I mean if I see a couple baby(low vet levels) DCs in IC killing mobs, obviously for the quest, I'm just gonna jump by. Now the reasons for which those DC decide to attack me in the back a minute later as I was about to leave the district escape my mind o.O They died btw. Noobs

Enodoc · February 2016

Divinius wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

A more simple solution is to play at 4am on a campaign dominated by your faction

Still hoping for the day when these will no longer exist...

When what will no longer exist? Campaigns dominated by your faction?

Roll a DC character. I guarantee you'll never have a campaign dominated by your faction.

My main since launch has been DC. On EU there's always at least one campaign dominated by DC.

Asherons_Call · February 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

A more simple solution is to play at 4am on a campaign dominated by your faction

Still hoping for the day when these will no longer exist...

Why is that? It's a very good workaround if you just want to clear the delves, dolmens, and skyshards of Cyrodiil. I just now started to actively PVP but prior to that I entered Cyrodiil only during off peak times to get the PVE content of the zone done. If the devs didn't want PVE players fussing about wanting to be in Cyrodiil they shouldn't have added PVE content there

Enodoc · February 2016

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

A more simple solution is to play at 4am on a campaign dominated by your faction

Still hoping for the day when these will no longer exist...

Why is that? It's a very good workaround if you just want to clear the delves, dolmens, and skyshards of Cyrodiil. I just now started to actively PVP but prior to that I entered Cyrodiil only during off peak times to get the PVE content of the zone done. If the devs didn't want PVE players fussing about wanting to be in Cyrodiil they shouldn't have added PVE content there

Yes they're very useful, but they're not in the spirit of an ongoing battlefield. A while ago there was a proposal by some players that campaigns with one dominant faction and an underdog bonus for the other two should have a full reset (keeps and all) at the end of the cycle instead of just a score reset, to kick the competitiveness back into them. (Campaigns with a reasonable balance would stick with just a score reset.)

Asherons_Call · February 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

A more simple solution is to play at 4am on a campaign dominated by your faction

Still hoping for the day when these will no longer exist...

Why is that? It's a very good workaround if you just want to clear the delves, dolmens, and skyshards of Cyrodiil. I just now started to actively PVP but prior to that I entered Cyrodiil only during off peak times to get the PVE content of the zone done. If the devs didn't want PVE players fussing about wanting to be in Cyrodiil they shouldn't have added PVE content there

Yes they're very useful, but they're not in the spirit of an ongoing battlefield. A while ago there was a proposal by some players that campaigns with one dominant faction and an underdog bonus for the other two should have a full reset (keeps and all) at the end of the cycle instead of just a score reset, to kick the competitiveness back into them. (Campaigns with a reasonable balance would stick with just a score reset.)

I like that idea! But going back to how I would think of it as a pure PVE player it would suck if you logged in and no keeps were under your faction control and your last delve is clear across the map. However thinking as a PVP player that would be a very nice change that would force your faction to go back out and re-take all of the keeps several times a day.

We are however diverting from the original topic of PVE